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The Jeremy Kyle Show 19th September 2018

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00:00On today's show...
00:02Married unhappily for six.
00:04Yeah, wedding anniversary tomorrow.
00:06This is make or break for my marriage. Why?
00:08Because he's just a dog.
00:10He's a dirty dog. That's all he is.
00:13He keeps running off, spending weekends out,
00:15running away from me and the kids,
00:17jumping over my side of my fence to get out the arse.
00:19He decided to sleep with his brother.
00:21Yeah, he hurt me all, hurting twice as our dog.
00:23We took her to Skegness and she's accused me of stealing money out of her purse.
00:32You said she's a... You're lying, Matt!
00:34Oh, shoot your face!
00:36In September, you're not going to Skegness.
00:39Where are you going?
00:53Hello, my friends. Good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:04Right, our first guest today, Hayley, is here with her husband, Kev,
01:07as she says their marriage is at crisis point.
01:10Now, after finding out four years ago that Kev had an affair,
01:13she admits to getting revenge by sleeping with his brother.
01:19That's what you do.
01:20Now there are severe doubts about who the dad to their one-year-old son is.
01:25Oh!
01:26Is it Kev, or is it his brother?
01:28Welcome to the Jeremy Carr Show, Hayley.
01:31APPLAUSE
01:45Want to read that out?
01:46Yeah.
01:47Only going to mention this once.
01:48Yeah.
01:49Don't sound great, does it?
01:50Nope, not at all.
01:52Very honest.
01:5331-year-old Hayley in a relationship with Kev for seven years.
01:57Yeah.
01:58Married unhappily for six.
01:59Yeah, wedding anniversary tomorrow.
02:01Wedding anniversary tomorrow?
02:02Tomorrow, yeah.
02:03This is make or break for my marriage. Why?
02:06Because he's just a dog. He's a dirty dog. That's all he is.
02:10He keeps running off, spending weekends out, running away from me and the kids, jumping over my side of my fence to get out the arse.
02:18Bear in mind he's 29 years old.
02:20I think he has a secret family. He'll disappear for two or three days at a time and I can never contact him.
02:25No, he don't have a phone or anything like that because when he gets a phone he sells it.
02:28He will?
02:29When he gets a phone he sells it.
02:31Right.
02:32I can't even go out of the shops without women saying to me he's cheating. It's become embarrassing. What do you mean by that?
02:37There's loads of rumours always about it. Always about what he's getting up to, who he's been with, but I can't prove it.
02:45It's all hearsay, isn't it, until you can actually get definitive proof.
02:49He says he hasn't done anything.
02:51You say you've caught him having a double life before. What do you mean by that?
02:54Oh, back about a few years back, just after I had my son, I found out he'd had messages to one of, I used to go to bingo all the time.
03:04Nice.
03:05And he was messaging a girl from bingo and he deleted the messages off Facebook next minute.
03:12But you cheated on him twice out of revenge without knowing the truth?
03:15No, I did know the truth then.
03:17So he's admitted to cheating twice?
03:18Yeah, I caught him fully walking down the street with the kids, picking them up from school.
03:23I took all his clothes down there, I took them all over the street and that.
03:28When you cheated to get your own back rather than just dump him and walk away, and we'll give you the benefit of the doubt there,
03:34and you decided to sleep with his brother?
03:36Yeah, he hurt me, I hurt him twice as harder.
03:39I know it's not good enough, I'm not proud of it but he deserved it.
03:43When did you sleep with his brother?
03:45A few years back now.
03:46Right, how many?
03:49How many years?
03:50Two, two and a half, three, something like that.
03:52Well what?
03:53Two, two and a half, three, three and a half, four, because somebody told me it was four.
03:57Well three and a half, yeah, four.
03:58Four?
03:59Must have been four years ago, yeah.
04:00How old's the kid we're doing the DNA test on?
04:02No, no, no, no.
04:03How can the brother be in the frame if the kid's a year old and you had it with a brother four years ago?
04:07It doesn't make sense, even my math tells me that.
04:09No, this is when he had an affair four years ago.
04:12Sure it was just the one?
04:13Yeah.
04:14I thought you cheated twice.
04:15I didn't cheat twice, when he had that affair I went with...
04:18Oh.
04:19Yeah, that's not cheating if I'd ended it.
04:22You went to a funeral and he said you tried it on.
04:24That was about five weeks ago apparently I was trying it on with a bloke at me when I was a...
04:30If you know what I mean.
04:31I was with him when I was 15, 16, growing up, I was with all the family and everything.
04:34So you went to his funeral to show your respect?
04:35And he died.
04:36I went to the funeral and I wore the family there.
04:38He come with me to the funeral.
04:40We all had a drink at the wake and everything and I left the house, took my shoes off and got lost somewhere
04:44because I didn't know the area and that and then I got a taxi back home.
04:47He left anyway.
04:48If you'd said I lost my knickers and then didn't know I'm aware.
04:51I had my knickers on.
04:52Knickers on, leggings on when I woke up in the morning.
04:55Same position as when I got in the house.
04:57I called up on the ball in the sofa and that was it.
04:59Where was Kev?
05:00Nowhere to be seen again.
05:02He didn't come home from the funeral.
05:04No, he went downtown.
05:06Partying it up.
05:07It doesn't sound like the greatest relationship.
05:10It's not.
05:11It's not what you imagined.
05:12Don't trust each other.
05:13Well then what's the point?
05:14That's what I said.
05:15What is the point?
05:16I'm starting to get that out, that's what I mean.
05:17Listen, it's entirely up to what people want to do but they come out here and they paint these pictures
05:21of these horrible relationships and then one of them turns out to do this, that and the other
05:24and yet you go home with each other.
05:25Under what?
05:26It's a bit selfish when you consider your kids and everything, isn't it?
05:28I'm not selfish, yeah.
05:29I'm not taking him home today.
05:31I know for a fact he's failed.
05:32I'm not that stupid.
05:33So you're sat here thinking in 10 minutes you're going home on your own?
05:36Yeah, I've had that thought in my head for the last two days.
05:38Right.
05:39You say our son late is 100% his.
05:40I made a mistake.
05:41I had sex twice.
05:42I made the mistake of doing it with the brother but I had good reason for that because he cheated
05:46but there's more to this.
05:47People are running up and down telling me he's shifty and he goes out at the end of the day
05:52and he doesn't come back for two days, I know.
05:54It does it all as time goes out.
05:55All right, he's here.
05:56Kev's on the car show that way.
05:57Where are you going?
06:02Oi, oi, hello.
06:07Where are you going?
06:09Where's he go?
06:10Oi.
06:11Right, I'm going to a break.
06:14Back in a minute.
06:15Go.
06:16We are 30 since the start of your relationship with Kevin apart from three people you've admitted
06:19to.
06:20Have you passionately kissed anyone else?
06:21Why don't you say no?
06:22Do you think you're being lied to?
06:29Do you have evidence to prove it like home videos, recordings or texts that you want
06:34to confront someone with?
06:36If you're 18 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show, email talk at itv.com
06:40along with your number, text talk plus your name to 63334, text plus 25 pence plus one
06:45standard rate message or you can call my team today.
06:48It's 0901, it's 123456, calls cost 25 pence plus network access charge.
06:55Welcome back.
06:56What are you running for?
06:57I just don't want to go out there, mate.
06:58What do you mean you don't want to go out there?
06:59Don't want to go out there, things you're saying.
07:00What do you mean the things you're saying?
07:01Put your side, let's hear your side, let's hear your side.
07:02You think actually and ironically that your wife who's coming is the cheat in all of this.
07:06Yes she is, yeah.
07:07But you cheated on her.
07:08In the past, yeah.
07:09She's behind you.
07:10Yeah?
07:11In the past I've cheated on her.
07:13Right, let's hear your side. Let's hear your side.
07:14You think, actually, and ironically,
07:17that your wife who's coming is the cheat in all of this.
07:19Yes, she is, yeah.
07:20But you cheated on her.
07:21In the past, yeah.
07:22She's behind you.
07:23In the past, I've cheated on her.
07:25In the past?
07:26In the past, I've started the relationship.
07:27You cheated on me before I did anything to you?
07:29At the start of the relationship, not...
07:30At the start of the relationship? No, Kev?
07:32We'd already had a song by then.
07:33Before and a half years ago.
07:34I was on a second song.
07:35So that's not the start of the relationship, is it?
07:37You say she's distant from me, she won't have sex with me.
07:40She says she'll be back by a certain time.
07:42She comes back in the early hours of the morning.
07:44It's easy for her to paint me here, but it's her.
07:47And she slept with your own brother?
07:49Yeah.
07:52I'm not... I'm not...
07:53Do you know why I'm distant from you?
07:56Because of why I hurt badly.
07:57You hurt me before.
07:58That ruined our relationship from there.
08:00We was trying and trying and trying.
08:01Why'd you stay with each other then?
08:03To be the happy family that we're...
08:05Do you think that the kids...
08:05We were talking about that before.
08:06Do you think the kids are enjoying any of this?
08:08Do you think this is productive to them?
08:09It's killing them.
08:09That's why I walk out in despair.
08:10So I'm not arguing about the kids.
08:14I walk out, disappear and get away from you.
08:16You pick billy all the time over your own kids.
08:17So I'm not arguing about the kids.
08:18Don't even lie.
08:18Can you just start an argument over...
08:20You could start an argument over a red sauce part.
08:22No.
08:22No.
08:22Part.
08:23And then that's it.
08:23You'll be out over the fence.
08:24That's all I do.
08:25What?
08:26So hold on.
08:26The night before my birthday then.
08:28The night before my birthday, everything's funky-dory.
08:30Do you want an arm sandwiched up?
08:32Yeah, go on then, mate.
08:33I'll watch the telly with the kids.
08:34Sitting there watching the telly.
08:36Where's Kev?
08:36So I don't want to argue here.
08:37I've jumped over my fence and gone the night before my birthday just to try and stop me
08:40from going out.
08:41And me and the kids are like, why did I just go out the front door?
08:43Can I ask the million dollar question?
08:44Why don't you go out the front door?
08:46Why did you climb over the fence?
08:48Because you'll take the key out the door, so I can't go out the front door.
08:51I'll take the key out the door after the time.
08:52So I have to go out the back door through the gate.
08:53Because Leighton's at that age where we pull the key out the door.
08:54Where do you go for two days?
08:55To her friends.
08:57To her friends.
08:58What did you tell me the last week then?
08:59You slept on the park.
09:00Then you slept in some woods the weekend before.
09:03And then where was it?
09:04This is not right, is it?
09:05Why are you here today?
09:07You don't trust her, do you?
09:09No, not at all.
09:10She says that if you've done anything, she's going to leave you.
09:13But actually, you're saying...
09:14What are you saying?
09:14You're saying that...
09:15I'm saying it's still very right.
09:16She's doing something.
09:16Hang on.
09:17Go that way with your wife.
09:18I'm not going on stage.
09:19No, I mean, you're not going on stage.
09:20Just go and do it.
09:23You look like you've got something to hide, mate.
09:24I've got nothing to hide.
09:25Hayley, take him on stage.
09:27We've got to do this.
09:27I'm not going on stage.
09:28Can't remind us what we're doing now.
09:29You've already been on the camera.
09:30You've got nothing to hide about, haven't you?
09:31I'm not going on stage.
09:32What do you mean you're not going on stage?
09:33You've got to do the results, mate.
09:35This way.
09:35You can come this way.
09:36Come on.
09:37I'm not going on stage.
09:38Kev, I know it's difficult and tricky and all that,
09:41but the truth of the matter is...
09:43Why are you doing that?
09:43Come here.
09:44Yeah, I am.
09:44I'm not going on stage.
09:47Why are you not going on stage, mate?
09:49Because now you look like you've got something to hide.
09:51I'm not chasing you around for a...
09:52I've got nothing to hide.
09:53What?
09:53I've got nothing to hide.
09:54Then come out there.
09:55Why are you being difficult with the team?
09:57You've been a pain in the backside.
09:58Why wouldn't you come out and do this?
10:00Because I don't want to go on stage.
10:02Why not, Kev?
10:03Do it here.
10:04You're already getting seen on telly,
10:05so there's no difference then, is there?
10:06We're airing all this out.
10:07Give me the results.
10:09Look at how it all out.
10:10Why was there a DNA problem as well?
10:12Er, because...
10:13She slept with my mother.
10:14Yeah.
10:16Around the time.
10:16It's around the time.
10:18When I went to go and get the abortion,
10:19you was there with me at the side of me
10:21and they told me I was further gone than what I was.
10:23Oh, yeah, babe, we'll keep the baby then.
10:25It's obviously mine.
10:26We asked you, Hayley, before the test,
10:31Hayley had already admitted to sleeping
10:32with two other people
10:33since the start of your relationship with Kevin.
10:35You also admitted to kissing someone else
10:36in a pub four years ago, yeah?
10:37Can I tell you that?
10:38We asked Hayley,
10:39since the start of your relationship with Kevin,
10:40apart from three people you've admitted to,
10:42have you passionately kissed anyone else?
10:43You're all right with that, yeah?
10:44Why did you say no?
10:46Well, thank you.
10:46Test is you're a liar, love.
10:48Oh!
10:48Where are you?
10:50Can you stop me?
10:50Just hear it all, please.
10:52Hear it all.
10:53She failed every single question,
10:55including intercourse.
10:56And do you know, just come here.
10:58Sit down.
10:59I'm not chasing you anymore.
11:00And do you know what's really interesting?
11:02Not a moment of deri-
11:04Nothing from you,
11:05because it's the truth, isn't it?
11:07Mm-hmm.
11:08I'm not going to say your lie detector's wrong, no.
11:10I'm not going to say it's wrong.
11:11I've not come on the show to say your lie detector's wrong, no.
11:14Must be right.
11:16Must be fully fledged right.
11:18And I stand by it as well myself.
11:20Kevin says to my examiner,
11:22he admitted to cheating
11:23with a total of five women.
11:27Are you lying, Sid?
11:28It's like the relationship.
11:29It's like the relationship, was it?
11:30Mm.
11:31Yeah, of course.
11:31He claims these were at the start,
11:33although we cannot determine when.
11:35He says that Hayley only knows about two of the women,
11:38but he wanted to be honest before the lie detector.
11:41Yeah.
11:42Why wait till a lie detector, you devious man,
11:45to tell your missus that it wasn't two, it was five?
11:48I thought, I'm not going to lie detector,
11:50so it's a start of the relationship.
11:53You think you're a clever man, don't you?
11:54No.
11:55So by telling her it's two and changing it to five,
11:58he passes every single question.
12:00Yeah.
12:00But when she went into that test,
12:02she thought it was two.
12:03So say she failed on what?
12:05There's three people that don't add up here.
12:07You knew what you were doing.
12:08You were trying to be smug, weren't you?
12:10No, I wasn't sure.
12:10Well, admit to five, she thought it was two.
12:12Oh, it passed, I looked great.
12:13It was at the start of the relationship.
12:14Do you want to know something?
12:15So that's easy to say as well.
12:17I'm not stupid.
12:18I've done this a long time.
12:19Guys, can I be honest?
12:21This is the most dysfunctional joke of a relationship
12:23I've ever seen in my life.
12:25And there's a kid in the midst of this.
12:27A kid.
12:27Five kids in the midst of this.
12:29It's not just one, it's five.
12:31Five kids in the midst of this.
12:33Do you not feel guilty for the way your lives are?
12:37Don't you?
12:38That's why I'm separating from me walking away today.
12:40Of course you don't care.
12:41Of course you are.
12:42That's why you're separating.
12:44Is that your kid?
12:45Yeah.
12:47Your child as well, mate.
12:49Stop jumping over that.
12:50Oh, John.
12:51Where are you going now?
12:53It's like a portion and you're sitting on the scale
12:55and you're doing...
12:56I don't mind.
13:00It's failed as well.
13:01Your brother twice.
13:07Sorry.
13:08I didn't want it to come out, but...
13:10Your brother twice, not once.
13:11Twice.
13:12On two different occasions.
13:14Yeah, I'm totally saying this.
13:16I'm saying it.
13:17Yes, I did it.
13:21I'm going to do something a little bit...
13:22Oh, my God.
13:23I'm going to try a little bit different for a change.
13:26The one thing I was worried about was that DNA test.
13:28Come with me.
13:28Bring that.
13:29Steph, bring her.
13:30I knew it was his.
13:31I knew it.
13:32Blonde, hair, blue eyes.
13:33I've got blonde, hair, blue eyes.
13:35I was born that way.
13:36Hayley, stop shouting for a change.
13:38Just stop shouting.
13:41Just stop...
13:41Yeah, that's why I did it.
13:43Stop shouting.
13:44I failed because I went with him twice, not once.
13:48Can you just...
13:49Kev, can you just come here one second, please?
13:51Stop.
13:53Dan, just stop him a minute.
13:55Hayley, come here and stop making a noise.
13:57Do my head in.
13:59Just calm.
14:04Just calm.
14:04Was that the start, Hayley, of the relationship?
14:06Oh, was that the start?
14:06Prove it, Kev.
14:07Yeah, fine.
14:07Prove the start.
14:08Prove it was the start.
14:09Can we just...
14:10I'm going to get in the middle of this.
14:11Does it stay?
14:11Does it stay?
14:12Can I just ask you one question, yeah?
14:13Does that say...
14:14Start running away.
14:15Dan, right, Dawn.
14:15Dan, right, Dawn.
14:17You are bang right there.
14:18You're telling the truth about something, aren't you?
14:19It's mine.
14:19Hold on.
14:20Five.
14:20Five.
14:21Five.
14:21Yeah, but she only knew two.
14:23And you could say at the start of the relationship.
14:24Five.
14:25You could say at the start of the relationship.
14:26Five.
14:27You said it really wrong when we left that talk.
14:29Two people.
14:30Two people.
14:31She knew about two.
14:32That's me, John.
14:33Two.
14:34Two.
14:34Just be quiet a minute.
14:36Stop flouncing off.
14:37You've got five kids and the two of you need to stop being so damn selfish and do what's right by them.
14:43Yeah, bye.
14:44See ya.
14:45Bye, bye, bye.
14:46Why don't you mean it?
14:49Because he's doing...
14:50Why do you keep running away?
14:51Why are you running away again?
14:53Because I'm going for me.
14:54I'm going.
14:55Your son's yours.
14:56Just...
14:56Stop treating him like he's different.
14:59I'm not running after you anymore, mate.
15:02Do you want me to be honest?
15:03And you can hear me down there.
15:05This is not a healthy relationship and it is not fair on the kids and it is not fair on the two of you.
15:11Do you know some people stay in relationships that have gone on for a long, long time because they're too scared to face the alternative and they think that they won't be alright on their own.
15:17You both need to get the hell out of each other's lives and try somehow, with our help, to move on.
15:22Do we both realise that as well, to be honest.
15:24Even his body language, he just runs away the whole time.
15:27He always does run away.
15:28He just likes running away and then he'll pick up a can and get to bed.
15:31Steph will tell you, even at your lowest and most terrible moments, there is only one way and you carry on disrespecting each other and causing, well, here's the truth, in a minute, your kids will be on a show like this when I'm long gone, saying my parents messed up my lives.
15:47Think on that.
15:48I'll leave you with Steph.
15:49Give him a round of applause.
15:51We'll let you know more after the break on the J.K. show.
15:53I'm back in three minutes.
15:54Don't go anywhere.
15:54Somebody very close to me and him told me that he was sleeping with that and he paid for a nail.
16:01What's that all about?
16:02Giving me the evil eyes, like, looking down at me.
16:04You had a baby with somebody else.
16:05We were not together.
16:06She said you were.
16:07Oh, so it's all right for her mum and dad, yeah, to tell me that I wore my child's dad.
16:16If someone you know leading a double life, maybe you suspect your partner of having a baby or an affair with someone else.
16:22If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show, email talk at ITV.com along with your number.
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16:48Thank you very much.
16:49Welcome back.
16:49My next guest today, Jamie, is here with Boyfriend Scottish.
16:52She says that only four weeks ago, her life was literally turned upside down when she found out that this guy fathered a baby behind her back.
17:02Shockingly, it's Jamie that's now being accused of cheating and Scott is demanding a DNA test for her one-year-old son.
17:07This is a hell of a story.
17:08These two are nervous.
17:09Jamie's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
17:16Come on.
17:16You all right?
17:19Yeah.
17:20You sure?
17:20Yeah.
17:21We're going to talk.
17:21Yeah, that's fine.
17:22It's fine.
17:24Don't worry.
17:24Welcome to the show, 22-year-old Jamie.
17:26Um, you were together for three and a half years.
17:29Are you together now?
17:30No, not at the moment.
17:31My relationship with Scott has become unbearable.
17:34We ended it two weeks ago.
17:35He became horrible.
17:36Why?
17:36Because he's been told that I've been seen in cars with different chaps and that I'm cheating on him.
17:42Are you?
17:43No.
17:43Did you get in another man's car?
17:44No.
17:45Was it a red car?
17:46It was loud music.
17:47It was meant to be a red car and then it was a green car.
17:50So there's two different ones.
17:52So you got into two cars?
17:53Apparently, yeah.
17:53No, did you?
17:54No.
17:54Right.
17:55So you were arguing every day and he put me down.
17:57You said, calling me names.
17:59Yeah.
17:59What was he calling you?
18:00He was calling me like...
18:02Everything he could have passed to the thing for.
18:04You said we weren't having sex?
18:05No.
18:06Because there's no trust.
18:07Why would you want to have sex with a man who treats you like that?
18:09And it's true.
18:10That's the only one.
18:14Four weeks ago, tell them what happened.
18:16Because this is the story, surely.
18:18I found out he had a baby with somebody else.
18:20Why are you saying it with a smiley?
18:22Four weeks ago, I found...
18:23What, you've been together three and a half years and four weeks ago you found out he's got a...
18:27How old's the baby?
18:28He's about five months old now.
18:31On a serious note, let's just bring this down.
18:33You're with somebody three and a half years.
18:35Maybe across that time people have said you shouldn't be with him, whatever.
18:38How do you feel when somebody says that to you?
18:39I was heartbroken.
18:41Literally.
18:42That was the beginning of the problems, wasn't it?
18:44Yeah.
18:44And then it just got worse.
18:46How did he justify that?
18:47We was having an argument and he'd just come out with it.
18:50And here's the interesting thing.
18:53He says they had sex whilst we were on a break, but I don't remember having a break at that time.
18:58We had a break December and he was talking to her in July.
19:02We was together then because Kyle's my youngest.
19:04So you think the baby's called Kyle?
19:06No, that's my youngest.
19:07Your baby's called Kyle?
19:08Yeah.
19:08His son.
19:10He was four months old when this happened.
19:12Did you call the baby after me?
19:14I just realised that.
19:15Did you think about that?
19:17No, he chose the name.
19:18Awful name.
19:21No, I'm joking.
19:23You're saying that you think that actually it wasn't when you were on a break.
19:26He'd had this relationship one night stand, got her pregnant and thought he'd be honest.
19:31Yeah.
19:31How can you stay with a man that does that to you?
19:33I'm being serious.
19:34You talk about we didn't talk, the relationship was that.
19:36Yeah.
19:36But the most extraordinary line I've heard all day is from you.
19:41I'm 50-50 if he's a cheat.
19:43He is a cheat.
19:45He had sex with another woman.
19:46Why are you putting up with it?
19:49I love him.
19:49I'm stupid, aren't I?
19:53Apparently he paid for another woman to have her nails done.
19:55This is what I've been told.
19:56This upsets her more.
19:57This is what I love about the Jeremy Kyle show.
20:00This hacks her off more because he paid for some other woman to have her toes and her nails done.
20:05Not the fact that he had a baby with somebody else.
20:08You paid for nails?
20:11What sort of loyal man does that?
20:16Nails!
20:19Nails!
20:20Yeah, baby, nails!
20:24Nails!
20:26Lost it, you see, it's hot.
20:28Nails!
20:28Never mind.
20:29Carry on.
20:30Carry on.
20:30So when we very first got together, somebody very close to me and him told me that he was sleeping with that and he paid for a nails.
20:39But when I asked both of them...
20:41What upset you more, that he had a nails?
20:43No, that he had a baby.
20:44That upset me more.
20:45Why does he think you're a cheat?
20:48Because of all these accusations that are going around.
20:50That you're in a man's car.
20:52So we're doing a DNA test.
20:54Yeah.
20:54Yeah.
20:55Now, is the baby is?
20:58Yeah, 100 million percent.
21:00100 million percent.
21:01That's a lot.
21:03Now, Scott's a bit...
21:05Well, he's a bit down, isn't he?
21:06Yeah.
21:07Why?
21:08Because of all these accusations.
21:10He's down that you might be sleeping with somebody else, despite the fact that he had a baby.
21:13He's getting it right between the eyes.
21:16Scott's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
21:19As soon as I slept with that, I told you.
21:31Sorry?
21:31Don't try and talk down to me.
21:33Don't talk down to me.
21:35What did she call me?
21:36One had a baby with somebody else, yeah?
21:39Yeah, with your little...
21:40Stop, stop, stop, stop.
21:42No, you ain't gonna come on here, right?
21:43Oh, you didn't.
21:44Listen, we were together, yeah?
21:46We was not together.
21:47We used to get printed off.
21:48Right, I told you.
21:50Yes, I know you.
21:50Oh, that makes it all right.
21:51Then have sex with somebody else and get her pregnant and then tell her and morally that's all right, is it?
21:55That's...
21:56Who's only not worried?
21:57What?
21:59Stop me.
22:00Stop me.
22:01No, you know what?
22:02You've turned all the...
22:03I haven't turned it on you.
22:05I swear to God.
22:06I haven't...
22:07Come thither, my child.
22:17Let's meet Don Juan.
22:20What was it?
22:20What was it that first attracted you to him?
22:23Jeez.
22:25Where's she gone?
22:27Shona Wrightstrop.
22:28What's that all about?
22:29Talk to me.
22:30She's got to talk to me.
22:30What's that all about?
22:32Giving me the evil eyes, like...
22:34You had a baby with somebody else.
22:35We was not together.
22:37She said you were.
22:37Oh, so it's all right for her mum and dad, yeah, to tell me that I were my child's dad.
22:41Is it?
22:42Don't know about this.
22:43This was before I went elsewhere.
22:45So you don't think you're the child's dad?
22:46This was before I went elsewhere.
22:47All right, so we want...
22:48This is what I got you out.
22:49So you're saying, you're saying, which is quite interesting...
22:51I want to go elsewhere, right, if I never got told that.
22:54Her mum told me that, right?
22:55But then you had sex with a woman and it ended up that woman had the baby.
22:58Yeah, but I never knew she was pregnant, right?
23:00But you didn't use anything?
23:01No.
23:02Right.
23:02Oh, she's my fault, yeah.
23:03Right, but...
23:04See, this is what I wanted, your side.
23:05I want to go elsewhere, right, if it were from...
23:08Did your parents tell him that?
23:09My mum did.
23:10I told them this, that my mum...
23:12Your mum said the baby...
23:13But this is the thing, yeah.
23:15Right, she should have took my side.
23:16She died, she'd run off to them.
23:17I never see them for like a week.
23:19What am I meant to do?
23:20Right, so we got the DNA.
23:22Can you get me the DNA?
23:23We got the DNA, right, but here's the other thing.
23:25You both...
23:26You made me look bad on stage.
23:27I don't make you look bad.
23:28I've took your kid on and I've been out.
23:29I've treated you...
23:31I've told them this.
23:33This man came here and that's why I was annoyed with you,
23:35because there is Solent, there is something in your story
23:38that we need to talk about, right?
23:40You came here today and you said,
23:43I, right, I made a mistake because of that,
23:46that's what I wanted to get out,
23:47and I've come here to do a lie detector,
23:49but this man was...
23:50There was some altercation.
23:51We can't go into specifics.
23:52Yeah, we can't do one.
23:53He was beaten up or something,
23:54and you can't do it at the moment because of a head injury.
23:56You've said, I want to come back,
23:58but you wanted her to do a lie detector.
24:00Yeah, for all the rumours, what's been going around?
24:02She didn't do a lie detector.
24:04Why?
24:06Extraordinary.
24:06We tried.
24:07Why are you looking at me like that?
24:07Jamie, Jamie, we've done.
24:09Oh, did you do one?
24:09No, no, you've got to wait.
24:10Jamie, we've done.
24:11She tried to do a lie detector,
24:13but it was invalidated because she was so fatigued.
24:15She must have been very tired that you just...
24:17I'm absolutely exhausted,
24:18and I've told them all this.
24:20I did that lie detector.
24:22Jamie, did not do the lie detector.
24:24No.
24:24I went in there to do it.
24:25She went in to do it,
24:26but she was fatigued.
24:27It was invalidated.
24:28We couldn't do it.
24:28I'm going to make you an offer in a minute, okay?
24:31Let's do the DNA first, all right?
24:33Damien's talked to her like...
24:34Well, how are you going to make me out?
24:35She didn't look bad.
24:36I went to your side, look at me.
24:38I went to your side, look at me.
24:40You were told by her mother that the root of this,
24:42and you've admitted this,
24:43was that this baby was not yours, right?
24:45That's the start of all the problems.
24:47Well, guess what?
24:47Her mother should have stayed out
24:49because the kid is yours.
24:50I told you.
24:50I told you.
24:51I told you.
24:52I told you.
24:53No, no, no, you're not doing that.
24:55Come here.
24:56Come here.
24:57Come here now.
24:58I told you.
25:00Why would your mother tell you?
25:01Why would your mother...
25:02I told you, he's yours.
25:04Can I ask you something?
25:04I'm in this for my kids now.
25:06Right, can I ask you something?
25:08Would you give me the benefit of the doubt for two minutes?
25:10Go on, then.
25:11I absolutely understand with a head injury
25:13you couldn't do a lie detector.
25:14I will give her the benefit of the doubt and say...
25:17I will come back and do one.
25:19Come back.
25:20After this, no, I'm trying to waste my time
25:22and you've dragged me on here, right?
25:22No, no, look at me, look at me, look at me.
25:24We can put this right.
25:25Come back when your head's sorted in terms of the injury
25:27and she and you can do lie detectors
25:30and we'll get the truth.
25:31The baby's yours, look.
25:33The baby's yours.
25:33I really believe he's mine, yeah?
25:35Or would you, this lie detector?
25:37Look at me.
25:38This relationship started to go wrong
25:41when her mother, by her admission,
25:43said the baby wasn't yours.
25:44Look at me.
25:44Yeah.
25:45So now you're basing your belief
25:46that she's lying on other people.
25:49Wouldn't it be better that you both came back,
25:51hear me out,
25:52did the lie detector when this is okay
25:54and when she's less fatigued
25:56and you've got definitive proof
25:58away from everybody else's hearsay?
25:59Listen to me.
26:00I can't do it.
26:01Look, I've called you out on silly lines.
26:02No, listen.
26:03Do you believe she's cheating?
26:05Do you believe she's cheating?
26:06Do you believe she's cheating?
26:08Listen to me.
26:08Yeah, honestly.
26:09Are you cheating?
26:09No.
26:10Do you want to know something really weird?
26:12What?
26:12I don't believe you have cheated.
26:13Well, obviously, I went elsewhere.
26:15I don't know about you,
26:16but I don't believe that you've cheated.
26:17What you've just said about what you took.
26:19Listen, right.
26:19I went elsewhere when my mum told me that, yeah?
26:22Right.
26:23I had no one to talk to, you know what I mean?
26:24I confided in somebody else.
26:25Sex happened.
26:26You know what I mean?
26:27I told her about it.
26:28Soon as I'd done it.
26:29Right?
26:30I only did.
26:30I long found out about this baby as well.
26:32Right?
26:33Told her about it straight away.
26:34I mean, let's give him some credit here
26:37because you've been out there looking upset.
26:39People have been very specific with this guy
26:41about things that you've done.
26:42I don't want to go into it, really.
26:43No, I don't want me to.
26:44Right, that.
26:45What I'm saying to you is,
26:46you base this relationship...
26:48No, you haven't.
26:49You're doing all right now.
26:50Look at me.
26:51You're doing all right.
26:52You're getting respect.
26:52Look at me.
26:54You're getting so much respect now
26:55and you don't realise it.
26:57You, her mother tells you that.
26:59You go and have sex.
27:00You don't wear anything.
27:01That's your responsibility.
27:02And the woman's, you end up with a baby.
27:04Right?
27:04That's the beginning of all the problems.
27:06Now you're hearing rumours about her.
27:08It's all over.
27:09Let's get definitive proof
27:11when your head is better.
27:12Let's get you and her
27:13to do a lie detector
27:14and then if she is what you say,
27:15you'll have it, mate.
27:16But you'll have it, mate.
27:18You tell you just strangers, right?
27:20It's friends.
27:21I've told them this.
27:22I've told them this.
27:23I don't know.
27:23I have told them this.
27:24You're my lying little cow
27:25and you don't deserve kids.
27:26Look at me.
27:26Look at me.
27:27I have told them this.
27:28Do you not think
27:29having listened to somebody
27:30that proved to be lying
27:31it would be better next time
27:32to get proof
27:33before you make a judgement?
27:34Oh, we'll ask small mum and dad
27:35to take their kids on holiday.
27:37I wouldn't allow your kids
27:38anywhere near your parents
27:39if they make up stuff like that
27:40and destroy your damn relationship, love.
27:42Somebody ask your dad.
27:43Stop talking.
27:43Stop it.
27:45You know, I think it would be better
27:46to get proof next time.
27:48No, it's best for me to move on, mate.
27:49No, it's not.
27:49I do not want to be with that.
27:51I do not want to be with that.
27:51You've made me look...
27:53I haven't made you over control.
27:54Give me the evils and effing.
27:56No, Jeremy was asking me.
27:57I was telling him.
27:58Yeah, because I talked to your side.
27:59You're nothing more than sheep.
28:00Char is yours.
28:01Yeah, but you know what?
28:02The kid's yours, yeah?
28:03And you admit
28:04that you were told differently by people.
28:06So what if all the people
28:07that are saying about her
28:08are lying?
28:09If we can prove...
28:10I will do this load
28:11except 100 million percent.
28:13Why the hell didn't you?
28:14Why didn't you get a bit more sleep
28:15before you could do it?
28:16So we could have done it this time
28:17and got this nailed.
28:17You had enough sleep last night.
28:18If I had enough sleep
28:20I'm absolutely exhausted.
28:21I was falling asleep
28:22in that room drawer.
28:23No, no, look, mate.
28:24I'm sorry for wasting time.
28:25No, no, you're not.
28:26But listen, the offer is there, pal.
28:27All right?
28:28The offer's there.
28:29So what's happening?
28:30No, it's no goal, mate.
28:33I will do this load.
28:34I was falling asleep
28:35so I'm absolutely not hurt.
28:36I'll leave you with, Steph.
28:37The offer from the show is there.
28:38Let us know.
28:39Give them a round of applause.
28:40I'm done.
28:45Good night to them, Ryan.
28:46My next guest today, Matthew,
28:47is here to confront
28:47a former mate Beryl
28:48as he claims she's been
28:49spreading malicious rumours
28:50that he stole from her purse
28:52whilst on a trip to Skegness.
28:54Matt says he only ever
28:55tried to look after Beryl
28:56and he's disgusted
28:57that she could be so nasty today
28:58he wants to stand his ground
28:59and show the world
29:00that she's an evil old what's-it.
29:02Strong words.
29:03Matthew's on the Jeremy Kyle show
29:04I'm going to go that way.
29:13I'm all right, Matthew, 24.
29:15Are you all right?
29:16I am, yes.
29:17Matthew is 24.
29:18Beryl's 61.
29:20Where did you meet?
29:21I met her through my friend of mine.
29:25Basically, we just got to know each other
29:26and just be friends since then.
29:28You said I looked out for her
29:29I tried to do what's right by her
29:31I took her on holiday to Skegness
29:33and all I've got now
29:34is grief.
29:35Yeah.
29:37Basically, we took her to Skegness
29:38and she's accused me of stealing money
29:41out of her purse
29:42which I never did.
29:44You said she's a...
29:44Oh, shut your face.
29:48I did not get you.
29:52Shut your face, your old bag.
29:56Come here, old bag.
30:00George, make your old ass.
30:03Oh, whatever.
30:04Lose the picture of Beryl.
30:07She's been on this show before
30:09and she pulled the wool over my eyes.
30:11She's not what she appears to be.
30:12She's horrible.
30:12Yeah, she is very evil
30:15and she can be very manip...
30:16too manipulative.
30:18Two-faced old hag.
30:19Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
30:21She's got no friends.
30:22I used to feel sorry for her.
30:24I used to take her to the burger bar.
30:26Yes.
30:28She's banned from everywhere
30:30for causing trouble.
30:31She's evil.
30:32She ruined the trip.
30:32I'm wearing my bloody self!
30:34She's greedy.
30:35She smokes 40 fags an hour.
30:37That's a lie!
30:38What, yeah?
30:39About a day.
30:41About a day, really, yeah.
30:42Are you going to get it?
30:44I want a public apology
30:46because she's ruined my reputation.
30:47How would you describe Beza?
30:50She's just very evil, really.
30:53And you came today to...
30:53She spreads rumours about you
30:55and it's not fair.
30:56What was Skeg Ness like?
30:57Was it nice?
30:58Yeah, well, lovely.
30:59Lovely?
31:00Yeah.
31:01So...
31:01Well, she was moaning.
31:03LAUGHTER
31:04You can't get me!
31:07Beryl's on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way.
31:09CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
31:11I'm not having it.
31:16I'm not having you upsetting me like you have.
31:35I have been told by numerous people
31:38that you're spreading s*** about me.
31:40I have not!
31:41And it starts...
31:42I have been told by numerous people...
31:44I have not spread no rumours about you!
31:47...at the burger bar...
31:48That's what I can start!
31:50Well, why was I uptown the other week
31:52and a woman...
31:52I didn't say anything about you!
31:54...a woman turned mad to me and said,
31:56I'm not leaving my purse with him
31:58because he'll steal it.
31:59That's what Beryl's told me.
32:00I did not say anything like that!
32:03Well, we're...
32:03Hello, Beryl!
32:05Hello.
32:07CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:09You all right?
32:13He said,
32:14you pulled the wool over my eyes.
32:16I thought you were lovely last time, darling.
32:18I thought we had a connection.
32:19I am gorgeous to you.
32:21I've got something for you.
32:23CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:25CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:27It's...
32:28CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:30CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:32And a seed rock.
32:34Yeah.
32:35And I've come all the way from Skegner.
32:37CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:38CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:40Go on.
32:42CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:44CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:46It's a dog poo bag.
32:47LAUGHTER
32:48I mean, the thought's nice.
32:52Catch this, put them backstage,
32:54put them backstage for me.
32:55CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:57I just want to know where these rumours have come from.
33:01I have not said nothing about...
33:03She's a 61-year-old woman.
33:05What are you having a go at her for?
33:06It's rumours that people are saying.
33:08And I'm not having it.
33:09And it's giving me a bad name.
33:11I've said nothing to you, Beryl.
33:13I've done nothing to you.
33:14What have you been doing?
33:15What are you f***ing up for then?
33:17I haven't f***ing up.
33:18Yes, you did.
33:19He said all you did in Skegness was moan.
33:21He pushed you around all day.
33:22I did not moan at all.
33:23Moan, moan, moan, moan.
33:24That's all he said you were.
33:25I was not moaning.
33:26You moaned that I was moving too fast for you.
33:28I see.
33:29And that I couldn't...
33:30Graham says that about me.
33:31I move too fast for Graham occasionally.
33:33I didn't look at anything.
33:35I did not say anything like that.
33:37He wants a public apology because he says you're horrible to him.
33:42I'm not horrible.
33:43It's him as horrible to me.
33:45You're horrible to her, you old 60-year-old women horrible man, you.
33:49No.
33:50He ought to show respect to me.
33:51I've been told by a number of people.
33:53She said you were a nightmare in Skegness.
33:55You went far too fast when you were pushing her in the boil chair.
33:57She couldn't see anything.
33:58Well, you did, because he went in too bloody.
34:00This is what I mean.
34:02I pushed her.
34:04The goodness of...
34:05She said, and I quoted,
34:08Lessie goes on a diet, he's going to die,
34:10and then nobody will be there to push me.
34:11That's what she said.
34:12I'm just being honest.
34:13Well, that's my...
34:14At the end of the day, that's my pathway.
34:16And I'm telling you.
34:17But I'll tell you something else now.
34:20In September, you're not going to Skegness.
34:24Get him going.
34:27Me and Jeremy going.
34:32You're not going to Skegness again.
34:48I am.
34:49You're not.
34:50Because the holiday's already booked.
34:51No, you are not going.
34:52Right, what is bracing in Skegness?
34:55Pardon?
34:56What's bracing?
34:57I ain't got a clue.
34:59You are not going.
35:02Because told me you are not going.
35:05Can I come?
35:06Yes, you can.
35:08He said you're sex mad.
35:10No, I'm not.
35:12You fancy all the bus drivers that we have.
35:15What?
35:16What goes in my life?
35:20It's no to do with everybody else.
35:23And it's same as me.
35:24You're not denying you like the bus driver.
35:26I like the bus driver.
35:28And I like you as well.
35:30Me or a bus driver?
35:31You especially.
35:32You can ride on my bus any time, baby.
35:38But this is why I'm not here.
35:41Graham's at the side going, you can't believe what he just said.
35:44Graham, do you want to be on my bus?
35:46No.
35:47Because I'm not here anymore.
35:49It's made me as a bag.
35:51Yes, I understand that.
35:52Beryl's going on my bus.
35:53When I was at the burger bar the other day, he wasn't there.
35:55The burger bar.
35:56You spend an awful lot of time, all of you, at the burger bar, don't you?
35:58I do go up.
35:59It's where we go and meet with people.
36:00Have a drink and a talk.
36:02A talk?
36:03Yeah.
36:04Do you have a cheeseburger or a normal one?
36:06What's your favourite burger?
36:07I have pork.
36:08She doesn't like burgers.
36:09Pork, stuffing and apple sauce.
36:13You like a bit of pork, do you?
36:15Yes.
36:16Do you like stuffing as well?
36:18Yes.
36:19What's your favourite burger?
36:22Do you like pork and stuffing?
36:25No, I just like a cheeseburger.
36:27Do you?
36:28Cheeseburger.
36:29I never thought, and I'm 53 now, that I'd be sat on national television talking about a pork roll and a burger with a person who accused an old woman in Skegness of basically slagging him off.
36:40Yeah.
36:41My mum used to say, God rest her soul, if you can't be civil to each other, then don't have anything to do with each other.
36:45Isn't that the answer?
36:46No, I don't want nothing to do with him no more now.
36:48No?
36:49You upset her?
36:50I don't, no, no.
36:51You upset him?
36:52She's not bothered about him.
36:53No.
36:54Because he can go full like it.
36:56He what?
36:57You've got to lose quite a lot of weight.
37:01Yeah, but that's my problem.
37:03That's not yours.
37:04Well, I don't tell everybody that you go to the doctor all the time, but you don't.
37:10She says you stink as well.
37:11I'm just telling you what she says.
37:12Oh, right.
37:13Yes, you do smell a bit.
37:14Yeah, well.
37:15Right.
37:16And that is the truth.
37:18This is like two kids in a playground name calling, to be fair, isn't it?
37:21Yeah.
37:22You know?
37:23It says, yeah, it's got to start.
37:24And I'm already paired up on it!
37:25I think that actually the two of you, strangely enough, probably meant in a strange way quite
37:32a lot to each other, but sadly it's sort of gone beyond that.
37:35I mean, we were good friends.
37:37Well, it's all gone a bit wrong, to be honest.
37:39Yeah.
37:40I'm taking her off now, Tuskegee.
37:41See you later.
37:43Bye-bye.
37:44And Simon is here for all important DNA results with Charlene, who could either be his
37:53full or his half sister.
37:54There's been things in the past that I've done that I'm not proud of.
37:57Do you want him in your life?
37:58I do, but I want the lies to stop.
38:00If we're going to rebuild the relationship, if we're going to rebuild it, you need to be honest.
38:04Yeah, I haven't lied to you in a long time.
38:06You know what I mean?
38:07I can't, I won't, I will not stand for it anymore.
38:14There's a feud in the family tearing your family apart.
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38:47Welcome back to my next guest today.
38:48Simon is here for all important DNA results with Charlene, who could either be his full or his half sister.
38:53This guy is desperate for closure.
38:55He says he spent a hell of a lot of time away from Charlene and hopes today's results can help
38:59to rebuild their relationship and getting the truth once and for all.
39:02Massive day.
39:03Simon is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
39:11Good to see you.
39:12Same thing as ever.
39:14Trying to find out the truth about somebody's background is what can be upsetting, can be great news.
39:19Sibling DNA with Charlene.
39:21You say you've always known that Charlene and you have the same mother.
39:25Yep.
39:26But there could be confusion as to the father.
39:28Tell us the story.
39:29Basically, my mum's always told me that this guy in question is my father.
39:33So, when I was a bit younger, I contacted him myself through your favourite thing, Facebook, as you do.
39:40And he basically completely denied me, said that I, he was told that I was a milkman's, a milkman's child.
39:47Yeah, I know, that's not a nice thing to hear.
39:49No.
39:50You say your child was rocky.
39:51You were in care from 13.
39:53No, 11.
39:54Why?
39:55Basically, there was problems at home.
39:57You and Charlene, although sharing the same mother, were separated when you were in care.
40:01That's correct.
40:02You said, you know, very honestly, as a brother at that age, I missed her.
40:05I missed the security.
40:06What's the relationship?
40:07You're now 28.
40:08What's the relationship?
40:09Basically, we both do our own thing.
40:11Like, she's got her kids.
40:12I've got my son.
40:13We both live in different areas.
40:14Don't get me wrong.
40:15We stay in contact on the phone and talk over video chats and stuff like that.
40:20Why is it so important?
40:21Why is it so important?
40:22And why now?
40:23Now, because I need to know where I come from.
40:25Your mum, Thelma, says she's 100% certain that you and Charlene are full brother and sister
40:29share the same father.
40:30I've always been honest with some and how he gets the answers he needs to date.
40:33You also have very honestly admitted to the team that you need to make more of an effort,
40:37perhaps, with your sister.
40:38Oh, definitely.
40:39You reckon if you are full sisters with sibling DNA, it'll bring you closer together, right?
40:42Yeah.
40:43Obviously, there's bridges to build.
40:44You know what I mean?
40:45There's been things in the past that I've done that I'm not proud of.
40:48You know what I mean?
40:49What?
40:50What do I do?
40:51Basically, my sister left me in her property for a few weeks.
40:54And she didn't leave me any money to pay for the electric to maintain the flat.
40:58She went a lot longer.
40:59So, I sold some of her stuff to pay for the flat.
41:03You know what I mean?
41:04I shouldn't have done it.
41:05It was a low thing to do.
41:06But at the same time, I was trying to keep the flat running while she was away.
41:09You know what I mean?
41:10So, you sold her furniture?
41:11Well, not a furniture, but like an Xbox or something like that I think I sold.
41:14And a TV.
41:15Just a few items.
41:16You know what I mean?
41:17I regret it.
41:18It was an immoral thing to do.
41:19I shouldn't have done it.
41:20But in my mind, it was the only way to maintain the flat and keep it going with the electric
41:23and stuff like that.
41:24You know what I'm going to say to you, don't you?
41:25Go on.
41:26Could have gone and got a job, couldn't you?
41:27Yeah, of course.
41:28Of course.
41:29You're very right.
41:30You're very right.
41:31I should have.
41:32To be honest of you, today's important.
41:33I get the feeling that you do want a relationship with this girl.
41:35Oh, I'd love to.
41:36Yeah, of course.
41:37You want her to be the false sister, right?
41:38Yeah, of course.
41:39I've got my son.
41:40She, like, unfortunately, because of her life, you know, I'm not blaming her, but she's not
41:42met my son yet.
41:43My little boy.
41:44How old's your son?
41:45He's going to be six months and two weeks.
41:46Changed your life?
41:47Have I?
41:48Yeah, I have.
41:49Yeah, I've done quite well.
41:50You know what I mean?
41:51I've got a partner.
41:52Has he changed your life?
41:53Oh, God.
41:54Massively.
41:55Massively.
41:56Definitely.
41:57I love that little boy with all my heart.
41:58I do it.
41:59All right.
42:00So, Charlene.
42:01Charlene, a year older.
42:02I was seven, she said.
42:03When I was told the man that raised me was not my dad as well.
42:04I rebelled.
42:05She wants the truth as well today.
42:06Charlene is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
42:08Charlene, welcome to the show.
42:09You didn't look that happy when you walked out.
42:10What's the matter?
42:11Where do I start, Si?
42:12I don't know.
42:13As much as, obviously, I want to rebuild this relationship with you, you know that.
42:28Yeah, obviously, as I said, there's, you know, bridges to build.
42:31We've both done stuff to each other over the years that isn't, you know, the right thing
42:35to do for brother and sister.
42:36No, that's correct.
42:37Yeah.
42:38And that's why I've said and I was quite honest about what happened to the flat and everything,
42:41you know what I mean?
42:42There were certain bits you left out.
42:43Not really.
42:44What bits?
42:45Sorry, you were on benefits when I left the tree.
42:48I was signed off.
42:49You were on benefits, so why couldn't you put dirt out of your own money?
42:52Why did you have to sell my stuff?
42:54Because it was your flat and you said to me you were going to give me and I think it
42:58was one of our brothers that was there with me, wasn't it?
43:00I sent him the money.
43:01I never got any of that.
43:02So, that's obviously a miscommunication.
43:04And I apologise, Charlene, for selling your stuff.
43:06It was a low thing to do as a brother and as you're my sister.
43:09And I apologise sincerely.
43:10You know what I mean?
43:11In my mind, it was the only justification because I didn't have the benefit money at
43:15that time.
43:16That was my justification for keeping the flat going.
43:18But if you're telling me, obviously, you gave him money, I didn't know about that.
43:21And I apologise.
43:22I really do.
43:23I'm sorry.
43:24APPLAUSE
43:25Why are you...
43:28You sort of...
43:30You give the impression that there's more to this.
43:32Yeah.
43:33Brother and sister don't always see eye to eye.
43:35This is about finding out whether you're half or full, isn't it?
43:37Yeah, it is.
43:38It's...
43:39There's so much that, over the years, that's happened and...
43:43Between us both.
43:44Yeah, of course.
43:45Between us both, but also the extended family as well.
43:47Who...
43:48Obviously, we can't say, you know what I mean?
43:49Can't say names.
43:50There's...
43:51I think you're actually very similar.
43:53Oh, yeah, definitely.
43:54We get told that a lot.
43:55You smoke cannabis, don't you?
43:56Not anymore.
43:57I used to.
43:58I did used to.
43:59Well, interestingly, she said...
44:00From what I know.
44:01From what you've been told here, say.
44:02That's fair enough.
44:03I can understand.
44:04But you used to smoke a lot of cannabis as well.
44:05You gave up, right?
44:06Not a lot.
44:07She didn't smoke a lot.
44:08I gave it up.
44:09Well, we found out he's given up as well, so...
44:11I don't know that for sure.
44:12I've never known that for sure.
44:13It's not really for him to prove to you, though, is it?
44:15Needs to prove it to himself.
44:16Have you given up?
44:17Yes, I have.
44:18Yeah, for my son.
44:19It's more...
44:24I do and I don't.
44:25And that's fair enough.
44:26The thing is, I haven't been the most honest brother in the past.
44:28Is not the point of this story that if you are full brother and sister,
44:31let's just say, if you do, in fact, share the same father and the same mother,
44:34that the two of you, yes, you've probably made mistakes, messed up,
44:37said and done a few wrong things,
44:39but you were both victims, actually.
44:40You were both in the care system.
44:41You were segregated.
44:42You didn't have that safety valve of having each other.
44:45You've been lied to.
44:46Whatever, right?
44:48Shouldn't you have an irreplaceable bond, really?
44:52Shouldn't you actually be banging your heads together and going,
44:55do you know what?
44:56We might live miles apart.
44:57We might have taken our lives in different directions,
45:00but it should be us against the world, shouldn't it?
45:03We did use to have quite a close bond, didn't we?
45:09Unfortunately, with Simon's past drug issues, that made the situation...
45:14More than cannabis?
45:15No.
45:16There was more than cannabis.
45:18When I was a lot younger, I did dabble when I was a lot younger,
45:21but that ended abruptly, quite quickly.
45:23I didn't enjoy the side effects from the drugs that I took.
45:27What drug?
45:28I took amphetamine.
45:29There's no excuse, but I basically fell in with the wrong crowd.
45:32I'm quite easily led, and I just got onto amphetamine.
45:36He seems quite candid, though, to be fair.
45:38Do you want him in your life?
45:39I do, but I want the lies to stop.
45:41If we're going to rebuild the relationship...
45:42Of course.
45:43If we're going to rebuild it, you need to be honest.
45:45I haven't lied to you in a long time, you know what I mean?
45:47I can't...
45:48I won't...
45:49I will not stand for it any more.
45:50That's fine, but I haven't...
45:51You know what I mean?
45:52We haven't actually fallen out in quite a while.
45:54No, we haven't.
45:55We've been getting on quite well, you know what I mean?
45:56We've talked out...
45:57He's stuffed to prove, right?
45:58Sorry?
45:59He's stuffed to prove to you.
46:00Yeah.
46:01Yeah, that's fair enough.
46:02Do you want him to be your half-brother or your full-brother?
46:03Does it make any difference to you, essentially?
46:05Not really, no.
46:06He's still my brother, and I'll still be there for him.
46:08Same with that.
46:10Who told you that growing up you said at seven
46:14you were told the bloke that raised you was not your father?
46:16Who told you that?
46:17My mum.
46:18Yeah, mum.
46:19And your mother also told you that?
46:20Yeah.
46:21And yet she's done a statement saying,
46:22I'm 100% certain that Simon and Charlie had a full brother and sister,
46:23so why would she say that?
46:25I don't know.
46:26I don't know.
46:27One of the things, and I think over the years,
46:29I'm talking to the audience now, here and at home,
46:31but I think that over the years I've probably changed the way I do this
46:34because more and more I think we are a product of where we come from,
46:38and I think most people in the audience would probably take it for granted
46:41that we have a mother and a father, but you've never known the truth.
46:45And essentially for you guys, your mother's told you one thing
46:48and then she's done a statement how many years later,
46:50saying the other.
46:51Basically...
46:52Which is going to mess your mind up because you are full brother and sister.
46:54CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
46:58Why would she lie to you at seven?
47:03Do you know what I mean?
47:05What do you think?
47:06So you were lied to at seven?
47:08Well, we were told that my mum's husband at the time wasn't our father.
47:11Yeah?
47:12It's because he came into our lives when we were three
47:13and he took on the role of looking us after us.
47:15Well, I was two.
47:16What does this mean to you two?
47:18For me...
47:19I think you both...
47:20I sort of think the two of you need to spend time because you...
47:23It answers a lot of questions but also raises more.
47:26Yeah, of course.
47:28Why don't you try and find answers to the further questions
47:31but as a couple, as a united front rather than fighting each other?
47:34Yeah.
47:35That's the best way to put it.
47:36Happy?
47:37Very happy.
47:38Extremely happy.
47:39Because now I know, because even if he doesn't want to know me,
47:41he'll reach out to the rest of the family on his side
47:43and try and build relationships that way.
47:44Help me.
47:45Thank you very much.
47:46Thank you very much.
47:47All right?
47:49Thank you for coming.
47:50Give me a round of applause for Adam here.
47:54Good to them.
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