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00:00En la ciudad de Bristol, Mrs Gould, por favor.
00:03¿Por qué cuando el balcón de Belgrano, el barco de Argentina, salió fuera de la zona exclusiva y solo fuera de la zona de la zona de la Falklands,
00:14¿por qué le dieron las órdenes para los deslizarlos?
00:16En realidad, no salió fuera de la zona de la zona de la zona, en una zona que era el peligro a nuestros barcos y a nuestras personas en ellos.
00:27¿Oucesa de la zona exclusiva?
00:28Pero estaba en un área en la que habíamos señalado, en el final de abril, habíamos señalado que todos los aviones en esas áreas, si representaban un peligro a nuestros aviones, eran vulnerables.
00:42Cuando se despejó, ese avión que habíamos encontrado era un peligro a nuestros aviones.
00:48Mi duty fue mirar a nuestros aviones, nuestros aviones, nuestra nave.
00:53Y, mi Dios mío, vivo con muchos, muchos días y noches.
00:57Gracias, Mrs. Thatcher, you started your answer by saying it was not sailing away from the Falklands.
01:03It was on a bearing of 280 and it was already west of the Falklands, so I'm sorry, but I cannot see how you can say it was not sailing away from the Falklands.
01:11When it was sunk.
01:13When it was sunk.
01:14It was a danger to our ship.
01:16No, but you have just said at the beginning of your answer that it was not sailing away from the Falklands, and I'm asking you to correct that statement.
01:24No, it's within an area outside the exclusion zone, which I think what you are saying is sailing away.
01:30No, I'm not, Mrs. Thatcher, which was a danger to our ships.
01:34Mrs. Thatcher, I am saying that it was on a bearing 280, which is a bearing just north of west.
01:42It was already west of the Falklands, and therefore nobody with any imagination can put it sailing other than away from the Falklands.
01:50Mrs. I'm sorry, I forgot your name.
01:52Mrs. Gould.
01:53Mrs. Gould.
01:54When the orders were given to sink it, and when it was sunk, it was in an area which was a danger to our ships.
02:03Now, you accept that, do you?
02:05No, I don't.
02:06Well, I'm sorry it was.
02:07You must accept that when we gave the order, when we changed the rules, which enabled them to sink Belgrano,
02:16the change of rules had been notified at the end of April, it was all published,
02:25that any ships that were a danger to ours within a certain zone, wider than the Falklands, were likely to be sunk.
02:33And again, I do say to you, my duty, and I'm very proud that we put it this way and adhered to it,
02:41was to protect the lives of the people in our ships, and the enormous numbers of troops that we had down there waiting for landings.
02:51I put that duty first.
02:53And when the Belgrano was sunk, when the Belgrano was sunk, and I ask you to accept this,
02:59she was in a position which was a danger to our Navy.
03:04Mrs. Gould, let me ask you this, Mrs. Gould.
03:06What motive are you seeking to attach to Mrs. Thatcher and her government in this?
03:10Is it inefficiency, lack of communication, or is it a desire for action, a desire for war?
03:14It is a desire for action and a lack of communications, because on giving those orders to sink the Belgrano,
03:21when it was actually sailing away from our fleet and away from the Falklands,
03:25was in effect sabotaging any possibility of any peace plan succeeding,
03:30and Mrs. Thatcher had 14 hours in which to consider the Peruvian peace plan that was being put forward to her,
03:38in which those 14 hours, those orders could have been received.
03:41Right, Mrs. Thatcher.
03:42One day, all of the facts, in about 30 years' time, will be published.
03:47That is not good enough, Mrs. Thatcher.
03:49I am just...
03:49Mrs. Gould, let Mrs. Thatcher answer.
03:51I think you've put a fair point.
03:53Would you please let me answer?
03:55I lived with the responsibility for a very long time.
03:59I answered the question, giving the facts, not anyone's opinions, but the facts.
04:05Those Peruvian peace proposals, which were only in outline,
04:10did not reach London until after the attack on the Belgrano.
04:16That is fact.
04:17I'm sorry, that is fact, and I am going to finish.
04:20Did not reach London until after the attack on the Belgrano.
04:25Moreover, we went on negotiating for another fortnight after that attack.
04:33I think it could only be in Britain that a Prime Minister was accused of sinking an enemy ship
04:40that was a danger to our Navy, when my main motive was to protect the boys in our Navy.
04:48That was my main motive, and I'm very proud of it.
04:51One day, all the facts will be revealed, and they will indicate, as I have said.
04:56Mrs. Gould, have you got a new point to make?
04:57Otherwise, I must move on.
04:58Well, just one point.
04:59I understood that the Peruvian peace plans on a nationwide programme were discussed on the midnight, May 1st.
05:07If that outline did not reach London for another 14 hours, I think there must be something very seriously wrong with our communications,
05:17and we are living in a nuclear age when we are going to have minutes to make decisions, not hours.
05:21I have indicated what the facts are, and would you accept that I am in a position to know exactly when they reached London,
05:30exactly when the attack was made.
05:32But I repeat, the job of the Prime Minister is to protect the lives of our boys on our ships.
05:40Let's move on to discuss that nuclear age.
05:43Thank you.