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00:00But we've seen hundreds of migrants actually, Jono, deported to El Salvador, the super prison, and that's by Donald Trump's administration.
00:11Do you think reopening a prison like Alcatraz could save on deportation costs and also the legal headaches that the administration are facing?
00:22So the top line answer in this is no. It's not going to cut costs. To reopen it's going to be hugely expensive.
00:27And you've been someone who's been there, Michael, you'll be aware that it is a dilapidated building and the system that it was a member of no longer exists.
00:35So it's going to require a lot of money. And logistically, it's very complex to reopen a prison like Alcatraz as well.
00:42It doesn't reduce any of the legal complexity. And in fact, it doesn't reduce any of the costs that are involved as well.
00:47The burden and the cost actually may be quite significantly more when the end numbers come to fruition.
00:53I don't think that this is necessarily about a cost-cutting measure. This is a symbol, and Alcatraz in itself is a symbol of strength, its deterrence, its accountability as well.
01:02This is a fly in the face of the previous administration's soft on crime approach.
01:06And Donald Trump has seen this as a big testament and almost a monument to crime prevention.
01:13Reopening this and having it there as a deterrent is what the Trump administration wants to have seen done.
01:17So is it going to save costs? No.
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