"We all have to make a red line together," Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar's analysis
"We all have to make a red line together," Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar's analysis
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00:00 Am I right in saying that we take a step forward and then we try to take a step back and then
00:07 we drag ourselves back again.
00:10 Every time this conversation comes up we are in a delicate situation.
00:15 We are in a difficult situation.
00:17 In our country, pray to Allah, the same thing is happening.
00:20 Why?
00:21 Because we have decided that we don't want to improve.
00:24 We have no intention of our country progressing.
00:27 We have no intention of our people being happy here.
00:30 We have no intention of justice being done here.
00:32 We have no intention of our people having better education and health facilities.
00:36 We have no intention of our youth being unemployed.
00:40 You can pick any department or any segment of society,
00:45 you will see a situation where people have given up.
00:51 And it is obvious that we have not reached this point in one day.
00:55 The long journey we have taken to reach this point,
00:59 when all the mistakes have been collected and their momentum has become ours,
01:03 we have reached a point where we feel that we will not be able to get out of this without a major radical surgery.
01:10 We imagined that we cannot get out of this without it. Let's put it that way.
01:14 Let's put it that way.
01:15 We have never paid attention to our mistakes of the past 76 years.
01:21 If we have identified any mistakes, we have never tried to correct them.
01:25 For example, I think the biggest contradiction in Pakistan that we as a country and society could not solve,
01:33 is that from the first day we could not decide who will run this country.
01:38 Now it is your show, so you are running it the way you want to,
01:43 but if I sit with you and say that if you include my will in this show,
01:48 then maybe in a couple of days it will work, but after that naturally a friction will develop within us.
01:53 We will run it in 2-3 months.
01:56 So we have done so many experiments in this country,
02:02 and from the first day when we decided this,
02:05 and you can see things in a different way, that you can compare with those countries with whom you had freedom.
02:12 Where have they reached in the region today?
02:15 Those who got freedom from you in 1971, where have they reached?
02:19 And our journey of decadence is going in a different direction.
02:22 We feel that we cannot go down from here, so we start digging a pit, we will show it to you.
02:27 And we are not stopping digging that pit, we have gone very deep into it.
02:30 So I think, and if we want to put Pakistan in the right direction,
02:35 then first of all we have to decide this fundamental contradiction,
02:38 that who will run this country.
02:40 When we decide this, then after that we have made a constitution,
02:45 and the fundamental rights that are there in that constitution,
02:48 you talked about human rights,
02:50 Kashif bhai, every institution has its own red lines here.
02:53 Even the red lines of the parliament are present now.
02:55 They have also made their own law of insult.
02:57 If you talk about reforming the Supreme Court,
02:59 and reforming the judiciary,
03:01 then a red line is drawn from there that it is the independence of the judiciary,
03:04 you cannot interfere, no one can interfere.
03:07 If you want to talk to your establishment with a good heart and good intentions,
03:14 they say that we also have red lines, you don't have to talk to us about them.
03:18 The red lines are that by eliminating all of us,
03:21 we have drawn our own self-sufficiency,
03:23 we all have to draw one red line together,
03:27 and that is the human rights given in our constitution.
03:30 Now what is there in it?
03:31 We do talk about it, but people don't know.
03:33 Your red line will include human rights, freedom of the media,
03:37 freedom of expression, democracy, lines, who and where is the limit,
03:43 once you follow the constitution, all of that will be sorted out.
03:46 And the constitution is also such a thick book,
03:48 its essence is from Shikha 8 to 28.
03:52 It also has freedom of expression,
03:54 it has to protect the self-respect of the human being,
03:56 it has to not let it be violated in any way,
03:58 it has to not arrest people,
04:00 it has to not produce them in front of the judge for no reason,
04:04 it has to have freedom of religion, freedom of expression,
04:06 it has to make a political party, freedom of association.
04:09 So if all of these things are our red lines,
04:12 and if we as a society decide that we have not violated these things...
04:16 You cannot appoint a minister of your own.
04:18 Yes.
04:20 Leave it.
04:21 It's a big thing, law, laws, big heavy words.
04:25 Mr. Kirmani, there is a constitution and you yourself are against it.
04:31 What is this happening?
04:32 Because no one knows how you are doing it.
04:35 You cut your own legs,
04:37 you reduce your own space, you finish it,
04:41 and then there comes a time when all casualties are made,
04:45 or whatever casualties are made, you start crying,
04:47 this is very unfair.
04:48 This is our history.
04:54 In the name of God, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
04:56 Thank you, Mr. Kashif.
04:59 The request is that Mr. Faiz said,
05:04 "This is a bright light, this is a night that has passed,
05:09 that was the wait of the one, this is not that night."
05:13 Look, all of your questions and the discussions that I have heard,
05:19 in that context I would like to tell you a very short, very quick,
05:24 a small excerpt from a speech of Quaid-e-Azam.
05:27 When Pakistan was about to be formed,
05:30 and Quaid-e-Azam was flail, his health was not so good,
05:34 so he had warned in his speech,
05:38 this is present, it is documented,
05:40 the dishonesty of that time towards the landlords and the wealthy people at that time,
05:46 which I would say, when he saw that Pakistan was being formed,
05:50 the British dogs that were going to be bathed,
05:53 they also jumped on the bandwagon in Muslim League.
05:55 What did Quaid-e-Azam say to them?
05:58 Quaid-e-Azam said that I warn the dishonesty towards the landlords and the wealthy people at that time,
06:06 he said the word 'investors',
06:09 I warn them that they should change their ways,
06:13 if they do not change their ways, then I will not come back from Pakistan.
06:18 These were the words of Quaid-e-Azam, having said that, what happened now?
06:22 Look, I always cry for this thing,
06:26 that after the demise of Quaid-e-Azam,
06:28 see today we are discussing what we have lost, what we have gained,
06:32 okay, we have gained, we have developed a financially developed nuclear state,
06:38 we have developed infrastructure,
06:40 but our morality and economy,
06:44 today it is in a state of disrepair.