"Mein zimmedari se keh raha hon ke...," Saleem Bukhari ne khatray ki ghanti Baja de
"Mein zimmedari se keh raha hon ke...," Saleem Bukhari ne khatray ki ghanti Baja de
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00:00 Salim Bukhari is with us. He is a senior expert. We will talk to him. Thank you very much, sir. You took out time for us.
00:06 Naz Baloch will represent People's Party. Senator Humayun Mohammad is with us. He is the Director of Pakistan Movement for Justice.
00:12 Thank you very much for joining us.
00:14 Salim Bukhari, I wanted to know, in my intro, in the beginning, was my thinking so pessimistic, looking at the situation?
00:26 Or is the situation contrary to that? Do you see a ray of hope?
00:32 Look, if you look at it with open eyes, I don't think there is a ray of hope.
00:40 And I am in agreement with the approach you have taken.
00:44 There is a kind of disparity in the society, knowing that this government, or the previous governments,
00:52 in their time, had no hope for the people, nor do they have any now, nor do I think they will have any in the coming days.
01:00 When such fearsome prices are presented as a justification for the disparity,
01:06 then you immediately understand that they are not giving you any relief, but are justifying these increases.
01:14 Look, the IMF programs have come before, this is not the first program, it is the 13th or 14th program,
01:22 but we have never seen such a horror in the situation.
01:26 There have been such things that could never have been imagined before.
01:30 You will accept this conditionality that your state bank will not be under your government's control, it will become independent.
01:36 Has anyone ever imagined this? Has anyone ever imagined that they would take away the right from you,
01:43 that you could give subsidies to a common man?
01:46 We are so helpless, I don't understand.
01:49 And this is all the fault of our policies, the fault of our successive governments,
01:54 the fault of wrong decisions, the poor people have no fault in this.
01:58 The people who have voted and sent them to the assemblies, they have talked about everyone except them.
02:06 So this horrible situation is very worrying for me.
02:11 I am saying this with responsibility that I do not see anyone with such a plan,
02:16 with which anyone can leave hope, that is a big thing.
02:20 Let there be hope that there will be a slight relief in the situation.
02:24 You see, with what force, that is, the increase in the prices of petrol,
02:30 it used to be that once a rupee, a rupee and a quarter, the money increased,
02:34 or a rupee or a rupee and a half increased, now the prices are going up to twenty rupees.
02:39 And the result of this is that the control over the dollar is often being lost.
02:45 And the inflation that we were beating 28% and 45%
02:50 I think like Sri Lanka, it is going to be 70% here too.
02:54 So this situation is under control.
02:56 Once the Jinn comes out of the bottle, then it will not be under control.
02:59 Then these rulers should be afraid of the wrath of the people.
03:03 Yes.
03:04 Okay.
03:05 Naz Baloch, you just say that does that bother you as a politician?
03:10 Obviously, you have to go to the people and the people at this time,
03:14 literally, the condition I see, the way people's faces look desolate,
03:20 so this is a very scary situation for a political worker,
03:24 that people are craving for a bread, are worried, and on top of that there are such problems.
03:29 So does anyone have a solution, a plan, including your party?
03:33 In the name of God, the most merciful, the most merciful.
03:37 Ashfaq, first of all, I am very sorry for your program.
03:41 The terrorist attack in Banu today, as a result of which our soldiers were martyred.
03:47 So we fully condemn it.
03:50 This is a very sad incident, but there is no doubt that the enemy,
03:56 however weak they consider us, but seeing our courage and bravery,
04:01 I think that the enemy itself becomes weak.
04:04 You asked a question about the political situation, and Mr. Bukhari gave a complete analysis.
04:13 And these difficulties are the situation, no one can say that
04:18 seeing the economic conditions of Pakistan at the moment, that there are very golden conditions.
04:24 But if we go to the causes of the difficulties and the reasons for the difficulties,
04:30 I think there is a long list.
04:34 And if we start counting them, then it is said that politicians blame each other to prove their points.
04:44 We have already talked about the reasons.
04:48 I am talking about the future, do you have a solution for that?
04:51 Yes, it is a way forward.
04:54 I am a very optimistic kind of a person, and I think that in Pakistan,
05:01 the ray of hope in the hearts of young people should always be alive.
05:07 When we read the philosophy of Allama Iqbal, he gives hope to young people.
05:13 The future of Pakistan and young people will be successful only when we take a hope and move forward.
05:22 But if we consider ourselves unsuccessful, and we consider ourselves that this is the end and we will not be able to do anything in the future,
05:31 then I think this is wrong thinking.
05:33 I personally do not think so, and the People's Party does not think so.
05:37 Because the People's Party of Pakistan, in 2008, in a very difficult situation, in a state of terrorism,
05:43 when we got the government, we lost the leadership of our party.
05:48 Pakistan had suffered a huge loss after the martyrdom of the late Benazir Bhutto.
05:53 And in the difficult and challenging circumstances, when the People's Party took over, we delivered.
06:02 We blamed others in five years, and we did not cry over the difficulties we had inherited from Musharraf.
06:12 We were given the statement, but there is nothing wrong with accepting failure.
06:24 The references you give, whether it is the Moon League or the People's Party,
06:29 when they give references from 2008 or 2013 or 2017,
06:33 they want to forget the 15-16 months of power and erase it.
06:39 Unfortunately, this cannot happen.
06:42 Ashfaq, if you allow me to respond, please.
06:48 I am not saying that you should forget the 15-16 months.
06:52 I am saying that the three and a half years of Imran Khan's dirty government,
06:57 and the plan to take the loan of 24,000 to 55,000 billion,
07:02 and the conspiracy to take Pakistan to default, I am not talking about that.
07:12 I am not saying that you should forget the three and a half years of Imran Khan.
07:15 I am not saying that.
07:16 But I am saying that when we came to power,
07:20 and in the difficult circumstances of 2008, we got power,
07:24 we delivered, we brought programs, we developed,
07:29 we put electricity projects, however you object,
07:33 did you see any production of 1 MW energy in the PTI government?
07:37 If you tell me the development, the People's Party,
07:41 when you see the Prime Minister shouting at the government,
07:46 the Prime Minister shouting at the government,
07:49 that there is corruption in the country, who will bring investment?
07:52 So, if you say this, I will tell you,
07:57 when we got power in 2008, there was no production of wheat in Pakistan.
08:04 Within six months, we came to an exporting country,
08:08 and we started exporting wheat.
08:10 So, you tell me, when you have a will, you have a way.
08:15 But if your thinking is locked,
08:18 and the only thought is to take revenge,
08:22 to put everyone in jail, to put the entire opposition in jail,
08:25 then how will you move the country forward with such a thought?
08:29 Yes, I remember, the history that is made in front of us,
08:35 you remember it better.
08:38 We remember very well that there was unity at that time,
08:41 what was the future of that unity,
08:43 how did Governor Raj look, how did the judges come,
08:46 then how the Swiss government was written,
08:49 how Gilani's government went,
08:51 how Raja Parvez Eshraf came,
08:53 of the world.