Is PPP responsible for sugar price increase? Qamar Zaman Kaira's reaction

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00:00 Mr. Khaira, the permission to export sugar has been given and Rs. 200 has been deposited.

00:06 If Rs. 100 was deposited here, the country would have been in a mess.

00:10 How did this happen?

00:11 Who is putting the blame on you, that Naveed Kamar, the minister of trade, has done this?

00:16 You are putting the blame on Noon League that this is the decision of the cabinet.

00:18 Who is responsible for this, sir?

00:20 There is no need to put the blame on anyone.

00:24 If this permission has been given in our government,

00:27 the figures that are put in front of the government,

00:30 what is the available stock,

00:32 you are in the decision-making, I am, someone else is sitting,

00:35 no one has to go there and see everything visually.

00:38 What is the stock available?

00:40 What is the forecast on the market crop?

00:44 And what is the situation of the world market?

00:46 If we have surplus sugar and we do not export it on time,

00:51 what will happen if the prices of sugar fall in the world market?

00:55 You have to do this too, Mr. Kashif.

00:58 One aspect of this is what you are saying,

01:00 the other aspect is that when the sugar in the mills is lying,

01:05 it is not allowed to export,

01:07 then they do not pay the farmers.

01:10 Then the farmers do not even buy sugarcane from you.

01:14 They blackmail you, the governments, in October,

01:16 that we will not crush.

01:18 This is true.

01:20 But the question is, if they do not have money,

01:24 suppose they do not have bank credit,

01:26 their lines are closed,

01:28 because they have stocks available,

01:31 and there is no doubt about it.

01:33 Sir, if there is a stock, then why is the sugar short?

01:36 Sugar is not short.

01:38 Why is it expensive now?

01:39 I am saying on that,

01:41 I had to do a little analysis on it,

01:43 what is its reality?

01:45 This is one aspect,

01:47 when you get a specimen and say,

01:49 we have so much sugar,

01:51 suppose the need of Pakistan,

01:53 is 1 crore tonnes,

01:55 and we have 1.25 crore tonnes of sugar,

01:57 1 crore 10 lakh tonnes of sugar,

01:59 and if we do not export 10 lakh tonnes of sugar,

02:02 then this is our loss,

02:04 and the government says,

02:05 let's not go for 10 lakhs,

02:06 let's export 5 lakh tonnes,

02:08 because we have surplus.

02:10 Now, that has gone.

02:12 Kashif, our misfortune is bigger than this.

02:15 And that is,

02:16 that we should see the Afghan market

02:18 with our market,

02:20 because our country feeds all their needs.

02:23 From Pakistan,

02:25 to Afghanistan,

02:27 sugar, flour, wheat,

02:31 fertilizer,

02:32 and apart from Afghanistan,

02:34 from Iran,

02:36 this is a very big problem for us,

02:39 today in your program.

02:40 Sir, there is a challenge too.

02:41 But I will tell you one thing,

02:43 Mr. Kaira, one second,

02:44 let's talk objectively.

02:45 I agree with you,

02:47 that from our side,

02:49 this smuggled out.

02:51 Sir, you know,

02:52 a report came in the era of Imran Khan,

02:54 a report was made on sugar.

02:56 Even today,

02:58 the state has no mechanism to see

03:00 what is the stock of sugar in Pakistan.

03:03 This report,

03:05 this report gives you a sugar mill,

03:07 that how much stock we have.

03:08 I will tell you,

03:09 but Kashif,

03:10 on that,

03:11 the commissioners are told,

03:12 things are evaluated.

03:14 Sir, no,

03:15 they know,

03:16 you read the report,

03:17 they ask the sugar mill

03:18 and they tell you,

03:19 how much stock we have in Pakistan.

03:21 And see,

03:22 physically going and checking the stock,

03:24 no one has any mechanism,

03:25 it is not possible.

03:26 It is not possible,

03:27 that you go to every mill,

03:29 and verify,

03:30 how much you have to pack.

03:32 Sir, this will continue with you.

03:34 They will tell you,

03:35 that sugar is surplus,

03:36 you will give permission to export,

03:38 as soon as the sugar is exported,

03:40 it will go to 250.

03:41 Kashif,

03:42 Kashif,

03:43 one minute,

03:44 if you start doing this,

03:46 then there are some aspects of it too.

03:47 One,

03:48 before I talk to you,

03:49 I will explain myself.

03:50 Today,

03:51 while talking to you,

03:52 I am feeling myself,

03:53 I mean,

03:54 I am feeling suffocated,

03:55 that I was a part of the government,

03:56 till yesterday.

03:57 Today,

03:58 I am sitting,

03:59 criticizing this system,

04:00 how am I doing it?

04:01 I should have done it yesterday too.

04:02 I honestly used to do it yesterday too.

04:04 But,

04:05 this is true, Kashif,

04:06 that at this time,

04:07 not only in Pakistan,

04:08 but in China,

04:09 there are innumerable cartels,

04:11 and those cartels,

04:12 make their own policies,

04:14 make them run,

04:16 and our borders,

04:18 the smuggling that happens,

04:19 when,

04:20 for example,

04:21 in Afghanistan,

04:22 or in Central Asia,

04:23 before Afghanistan,

04:24 the prices of sugar,

04:25 flour,

04:26 and fertilizer,

04:27 have increased,

04:28 then from our side,

04:29 not one,

04:30 two,

04:31 four,

04:32 ten trucks,

04:33 but in hundreds of trucks,

04:34 are being sold daily.

04:36 Sir,

04:37 listen to me,

04:38 for the convenience of the people,

04:39 our government knows everything.

04:41 I have been hearing this for the past many years,

04:43 and you are absolutely right.

04:44 We know everything,

04:45 that our sugar,

04:46 our livestock,

04:47 our wheat,

04:48 our flour,

04:49 all of this,

04:50 smuggles out,

04:51 but we do nothing.

04:53 The problem is,

04:54 Kashif,

04:55 Pakistan has a parallel economy,

04:57 Pakistan,

04:58 this is on one hand,

04:59 export,

05:00 which is being imported,

05:01 the oil coming into Pakistan,

05:03 the gas coming into Pakistan,

05:05 the rest of the things coming into Pakistan,

05:07 billions of dollars worth of things,

05:09 as a parallel economy,

05:11 Sir,

05:12 we have been suffering from the shocks of this parallel economy,

05:17 where have we come,

05:18 it has become difficult for this country to function.

05:20 This is the only reason.

05:21 This is true,

05:22 I said this,

05:23 my tongue is stuck,

05:25 because I was a part of the government till yesterday,

05:27 how can I say this today?

05:29 But,

05:30 this is the way it is.

05:31 Sir,

05:32 let me ask you another question,

05:34 in this country,

05:35 this weekend,

05:36 there was a protest,

05:37 regarding the electricity bills.

05:39 Are you with the bills,

05:41 or with the people?

05:43 Kashif,

05:44 I am with the facts.

05:45 I am with the people,

05:47 but I am standing with the facts.

05:49 Look,

05:50 one thing is true,

05:51 today we have received a lot of bills,

05:53 people's capacity,

05:54 people like me,

05:55 have got the chicken,

05:56 seeing the bill,

05:57 I am worried.

05:58 What is the condition of the common man?

06:00 Right now,

06:01 there is no other option,

06:02 not just electricity,

06:03 the prices of oil have not increased,

06:04 there is an impact to come,

06:05 the prices of other things have increased,

06:07 the common man is so worried,

06:09 what can he think?

06:10 Sir,

06:11 you are with the people,

06:12 tell me one thing,

06:13 in the morning you increase the electricity bills,

06:14 in the evening you stand with the people,

06:15 how does this happen?

06:16 Do one thing,

06:17 the question is,

06:18 I am with the people,

06:19 this is a popular slogan,

06:20 I am with you,

06:21 I am with you,

06:22 the question is,

06:23 the one we are asking for,

06:24 is the government of the time,

06:25 today's government,

06:26 leave our government yesterday,

06:27 the day before yesterday,

06:28 it was someone else's,

06:29 today's government,

06:30 instead of them,

06:31 they are sitting,

06:32 as if someone else would have been sitting,

06:33 what option do they have?

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