KHABAR Meher Bokhari Kay Saath | ARY News | 4th October 2023

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Host:
- Meher Bokhari

Guests:
- Shoaib Shaheen (Lawyer)
- Mohammad Malick (Senior Analyst)
- Shaikh Rohale Asghar PMLN
- Barrister Salman Safdar (Lawyer)

What does Shoaib Shaheen says on Usman Dar's allegations on Chairman PTI?

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Transcript
00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening, I am Meher Bukhari.
00:16 Today, another strong wicket of Tariq-e-Insaf has fallen.
00:19 Usman Dar has come to Manzar-e-Aam after 25 days.
00:22 He has appointed Chairman PTI on 9th May for the sensitive arrangements.
00:27 Usman Dar has dropped a bomb on his own party's leader in an interview with Kamran Shahid.
00:33 Usman Dar's interview is a compilation of confessions.
00:37 He has made one confession that Chairman PTI himself gave the instructions to make the sensitive arrangements.
00:43 The planning of 9th May incidents was done under the leadership of Chairman PTI in the park.
00:48 And the aim of these attacks was to put pressure on the army and remove General Asim Munir from office.
00:54 Keep in mind that he is the first senior and prominent politician of Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:00 He is a member of a prominent cabinet.
01:03 He is directly accusing the chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:08 Usman Dar has admitted that in October 2022, PTI's long march was done to stop General Asim Munir as army chief.
01:15 And Chairman PTI used human shields to avoid arrest.
01:20 Chairman PTI also brainwashed the workers to avoid arrest.
01:24 Usman Dar has claimed that the brainwashing was the result of the judicial complex Islamabad and Zaman Park.
01:30 Chairman PTI supported the state's opposition.
01:34 We were discussing that if we are going to attack the state institutions in the form of arrest, and the brainwashing of the workers, this was the whole process.
01:54 It was expected that the workers would be arrested.
01:57 The workers would gather outside Zaman Park. We didn't know when they would be arrested. They were arrested on 9th.
02:04 And when they are arrested on 9th, and they were talking repeatedly within the party, like I have talked to you about Murad Saeed, Adam Swati, and other leaders,
02:17 the mindset that was believed that if we have to attack the institutions, attack or attack their installations, then it can create pressure.
02:30 The meetings that I have seen, when these people were talking that if we have to attack the state institutions, Imran Khan supported this statement, supported this policy.
02:42 Maybe he had this information or messaging from the institution that maybe in this whole situation, the army chief should be the one who should be arrested.
02:49 On 9th, I think that it is a shameful incident, which should be fully condemned.
02:57 And it is a black box, which will take time to wash.
03:01 For me, it is difficult to go with this statement.
03:05 And I have not come to politics for this.
03:08 And I have decided that I will call both the justice and politics of Pakistan 3 as 'Hairbat'.
03:15 After these revelations of Usman Dar, the problems of Chairman PTI will increase.
03:21 The problems of the law will increase by the chairman, his close friend and the person who is a part of the cabinet.
03:31 On the other hand, PTI has requested the court that the election campaign should not be allowed in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
03:36 And PTI chairman has issued instructions to the leaders that the election campaign should be put in action as soon as it starts.
03:43 Workers' Convention should be held.
03:45 Today, Alima Khan has also claimed that Chairman PTI is very saddened by the President of the country.
03:53 The President has done his duty, which was his duty according to the constitution.
04:03 He was very saddened by that.
04:05 He thought that this is such an important task for the President and his people.
04:11 The political case has been caught in this difficult time and people have also been left helpless.
04:15 The revelations that Faisal Wada Sahib has put in front of us, you can see them today.
04:21 Faizabad protest case.
04:24 It is covering the whole system.
04:26 It is working on every institution.
04:29 What is the decision made on this?
04:30 The decision on this was made by Faizabad.
04:32 You must remember that it was my faith line.
04:34 I had said that this case will be raised.
04:36 The report of Faizabad on this, by the will of Allah,
04:42 Chief Justice Faiz Zia Sahib, who is a blunt, honest and brave man,
04:47 will implement the report on the people who should be implemented.
04:55 Even if it is a big Turam Khan.
04:57 The people who have signed the treaty, will they also?
04:59 I have said that the biggest Turam Khan will also be implemented.
05:03 And that foundation will be yours, Pakistan.
05:06 My problem is that the foundations are so solid.
05:08 Will the institution let it be?
05:10 Look, I didn't want to talk to you.
05:12 Let's wait for the time.
05:14 Such strong foundations are being laid.
05:17 And you are building a house on this,
05:19 forgetting the past of the people of PDM or PTI.
05:24 Then this foundation will fall,
05:26 this roof will fall and people will also be caught.
05:29 So, inform the nation.
05:32 In this environment, one is the Prime Minister of the district,
05:35 another is in jail,
05:36 many senior officials are in prison,
05:38 many are missing.
05:40 And the people who are coming to the public,
05:42 their absence can change the whole scene.
05:48 The Chief Minister of a big province,
05:50 despite the order of the district court,
05:51 is not able to reach home.
05:53 And now, the ones who are being considered missing,
05:56 how much more can they be affected by these big incidents?
06:00 Let's talk to the Chief Justice of the district,
06:02 Sohail Shaheen.
06:03 Thank you very much for your support.
06:05 Tell us, Usman Dar,
06:06 that this Tehil Ka Khiz Inka Shafaat,
06:08 for the first time,
06:10 a close relative has come forward,
06:12 who is ready to be a witness.
06:14 And all the responsibilities of the district,
06:17 the mind-building of the workers,
06:18 and all the steps taken in this regard,
06:21 are they covering it?
06:24 Look, this is the same kind of approach
06:26 and the same kind of statement
06:27 that reached us through Kamran Shahid,
06:30 the statement of Azam Khan on 164.
06:33 Azam Khan, despite being kidnapped for 34 days,
06:38 against whom, in fact,
06:40 we had him cut off by the FIR,
06:42 his family had him cut off.
06:43 His reputation was pending in the High Court.
06:45 He was repeatedly called to the police,
06:47 and all the agencies,
06:49 and suddenly he comes forward
06:50 with a 164 statement.
06:52 And with the incident of 9th May,
06:54 what he is saying,
06:55 tell me, if this had happened,
06:57 then today, it has been 6 months since this incident.
06:59 His tweets, the attacks on his house,
07:03 the abuse against his mother,
07:05 the abuse against his wife,
07:07 he endured patiently.
07:09 But there is a limit to the tolerance.
07:11 His tolerance may have been exceeded.
07:13 But you tell me,
07:15 could he have done all this on 9th May,
07:17 or the next day, or the fourth day,
07:18 or within a month?
07:20 He did not say.
07:22 But earlier, there was a statement of the accused,
07:24 now there is a statement of the accused.
07:26 Not only his,
07:28 but also the statement of the Home Minister
07:30 of Brigadier Harris Nawaz.
07:32 It was on 9th September, I think.
07:34 He said, "Sir,
07:36 Varanta Faresta has been arrested against him."
07:38 "Varanta Faresta has been arrested.
07:40 Present him in court within 24 hours.
07:42 You present the statement,
07:44 and proceed with the investigation."
07:46 You see, Sheikh Rashid was arrested,
07:48 and with him, the rest of the people,
07:50 one of them, Sheikh Shakir, returned after a while.
07:52 He is still missing.
07:54 But Habib was arrested,
07:56 and he was presented in court three days later.
07:58 But no one knows about him.
08:00 He was not presented in any court.
08:02 Similarly, give the statement of Zaka Tabasi.
08:04 He was the president of Nadir Punjab.
08:06 And he is still missing.
08:08 He is not known anywhere.
08:10 Similarly, Aunabas Pabbi was arrested.
08:12 Until his press conference came,
08:14 he did not leave the case.
08:16 If you talk about political stability,
08:18 I am asking you,
08:20 Chief Justice of Pakistan,
08:22 that is, are the laws in the country,
08:24 which have been imposed,
08:26 are you going to use every legal and illegal means
08:28 to crush a party?
08:30 And if such agencies are used,
08:32 if such people are used,
08:34 then how will you be able to end
08:36 the political instability?
08:38 Will the election be credible
08:40 in such a forced and fearful atmosphere?
08:42 Is the world not watching?
08:44 The situation today,
08:46 putting this situation in front of you,
08:48 can you say that there will be a transparent election?
08:50 And the responsibility of the Election Commission
08:52 is that where are they sitting?
08:54 Today, Anwar Kakar Sahib,
08:56 who gives big statements that without
08:58 Imran Khan and PTI, the election
09:00 will be fine and correct.
09:02 I ask them,
09:04 where are these people?
09:06 It is your responsibility to facilitate
09:08 to the Election Commission for the purpose of holding
09:10 free and fair elections.
09:12 You are the Chief Executive of Pakistan.
09:14 Everything is happening under your nose.
09:16 And you are traveling the world
09:18 with a charter plane
09:20 and interviews are being given on interviews.
09:22 And the condition of your country
09:24 is that where there are no fundamental human rights,
09:26 where people have gone down the line of poverty,
09:28 that is a separate chapter.
09:30 But the fundamental rights
09:32 are the right of a human being.
09:34 Allah has created him free,
09:36 so he should live a life of freedom.
09:38 If there is a charge against someone,
09:40 then you file a case against him.
09:42 Present it in the law.
09:44 And what is happening with women?
09:46 The courts have given the terms and then closed it.
09:48 And the Pervaiz-e-Alahi president
09:50 has given the terms 15 times
09:52 or discharged the cases.
09:54 He has not come out yet.
09:56 And there is not a single example like this.
09:58 We can give you hundreds of examples.
10:00 Are we going into a situation of free and fair elections
10:02 in Pakistan?
10:04 Do we have to get this country out of this mess?
10:06 Or not?
10:08 Do we have to do the same injustice
10:10 to this country
10:12 as we did not see
10:14 even in the time of Masha Allah?
10:16 I am sorry to say
10:18 that this is not pre-poll digging.
10:20 Even today, the Gallup survey
10:22 is not consistent with that.
10:24 You are also saying that PTI
10:26 and Imran Khan are 70% popular.
10:28 Mr. Shaheen, this is a strange drama.
10:30 Even their interviews are being done
10:32 in talk shows.
10:34 You are a lawyer and you are also appealing
10:36 through talk shows.
10:38 You are the translator of this community.
10:40 And if you have so many witnesses,
10:42 why are you not stopping the courts?
10:44 Look, we have also written letters
10:46 to the Election Commission of Pakistan.
10:48 The Secretary General has written a letter.
10:50 And please draw attention to this.
10:52 We are going to immediately appeal to the Supreme Court
10:54 of Pakistan.
10:56 And we are doing it.
10:58 Inshallah, in two or three days,
11:00 we hope that our discussion is going on.
11:02 And we will also appeal to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
11:04 We have already gone to the Supreme Court
11:06 for free and fair elections.
11:08 It has not been fixed yet.
11:10 It has been more than a month and a half.
11:12 Whatever is happening,
11:14 everything has a limit.
11:16 It is said sitting in the Apex Committee
11:18 that political stability is the solution
11:20 to the problems of this country.
11:22 Tell me, are we doing anything for political stability?
11:24 And along with that,
11:26 you can read the report of the Asian Development Bank.
11:28 They said that if free and fair elections
11:30 are held, then one third of the problems will be solved.
11:32 Mr. Shaheen, I am understanding
11:34 one thing that you are going now.
11:36 You are saying that we are going.
11:38 We have not gone yet.
11:40 We have not gone yet.
11:42 We have crossed the water.
11:44 Such close associates, such important people,
11:46 and not only are they coming to the public,
11:48 but the court is also ready to give testimony.
11:50 They say that as a witness in the court,
11:52 I will record all these statements
11:54 and I will own them.
11:56 And you are thinking now.
11:58 Tell me, Imran Riaz was kept for 150 days.
12:00 Tell me, in what condition
12:02 has he returned?
12:04 In what condition is he physically and mentally?
12:06 In what position is he?
12:08 There is no doubt that he is in a very bad condition.
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20:32 In the name of Allah,
20:34 on 21st October,
20:36 go to the Minar-e-Pakistan
20:38 and welcome Nawaz Sharif.
20:40 The matter has fallen from the
20:42 acceptance graph to the reality.
20:44 But Muslim League Noon is not ready to
20:46 accept that Mian Sahib is returning
20:48 with a deal or a reality.
20:50 League leaders and Arana Sanaullah
20:52 are claiming that Mian Sahib is not
20:54 returning under any deal without a sign of bail.
20:56 This may be the first surprise
20:58 of our political history.
21:00 In the politics of the past,
21:02 Mian Sahib managed the government
21:04 of Sulema in a snap of fingers.
21:06 He voted for Tawsi in a snap of fingers.
21:08 He gave a lot of respect.
21:10 Arana Sanaullah also admitted that
21:12 giving Tawsi to General Qamar Javed Bajwa
21:14 was a political act.
21:16 Senior journalist Muhammad Malik
21:18 is present with us.
21:20 Thank you very much for being with us.
21:22 Is the matter on the table now?
21:24 No, the matter is not on the table.
21:26 I think it is a matter of guarantees.
21:28 As you said in the beginning,
21:30 the statement was a total
21:32 turn on its head.
21:34 Mian Sahib spoke in London,
21:36 then Sherbaz Kheer Sahib came to Pakistan,
21:38 then returned in 24 hours.
21:40 The message was clearly conveyed.
21:42 Today, it is a very interesting
21:44 statement of Ahsan Iqbal Sahib.
21:46 He said that our statement
21:48 was not accepted.
21:50 However,
21:52 Javed Latif Sahib said twice
21:54 that the government of Sulema
21:56 was not accepted.
21:58 He said that we do not have to
22:00 account for the past,
22:02 but we should account for the future.
22:04 It all boils down to...
22:06 Malik Sahib, who was the former
22:08 Prime Minister Sherbaz Kheer Sahib
22:10 conveying this message to?
22:12 Who was he addressing?
22:14 He was conveying this message
22:16 to those who expressed their
22:18 displeasure with the statement
22:20 of Mian Sahib.
22:22 Mian Sahib had once again
22:24 started a ruckus,
22:26 saying that if they come,
22:28 there will be accountability.
22:30 I think Mian Sahib has only one
22:32 problem, that he is never able
22:34 to differentiate between
22:36 personalities and office.
22:38 He thinks that if the army chief
22:40 is appointed, then perhaps
22:42 it is his last request.
22:44 Not realizing that whoever
22:46 the army chief is,
22:48 he has his own compulsions
22:50 and his first constituency is
22:52 not a model town.
22:54 He will have his own
22:56 constituency and his interests
22:58 will be supreme.
23:00 We are seeing this again and again.
23:02 Even this time, although it is
23:04 being said that there is
23:06 an understanding and Mian Sahib
23:08 has moved away from his position.
23:10 But I genuinely fear, apprehend,
23:12 that if Mian Sahib comes and
23:14 the coalition that we see in
23:16 the past, we see that it is
23:18 a Muslim-led coalition even
23:20 if it is not.
23:22 I think that we will
23:24 go through a few months,
23:26 six months, but I will again
23:28 have a repeat sense of deja vu.
23:30 It is happening that the same
23:32 things will repeat, which have happened
23:34 before as well.
23:36 Thank you very much.
23:38 We had Mohd Malik with us.
23:40 Let's talk to Sheikh Ruhail Azgar.
23:42 Ruhail Azgar, the matter has
23:44 reached the Minta-Tarlon,
23:46 the matter has reached the Minar-e-Pakistan
23:48 and no one is coming for revenge.
23:50 Let's ask you, how many people
23:52 are you bringing to Minar-e-Pakistan?
23:54 Because if it is a matter of geofencing
23:56 and apps of the workers,
23:58 then it is difficult to understand.
24:00 No, I will tell you one thing.
24:02 I am a very straightforward person
24:04 and a very honest person.
24:06 You cannot say anything
24:08 before the time.
24:10 You cannot make any
24:12 kind of prediction
24:14 that how many people will come,
24:16 how many people will come.
24:18 Now, it is a coincidence that I am
24:20 coming back. I will go back
24:22 and will go and
24:24 consult with friends,
24:26 will talk to friends.
24:28 I will also have a meeting
24:30 with my parents.
24:32 I will also have a meeting.
24:34 I have never
24:36 ever
24:38 in my entire political
24:40 life, never
24:42 made this claim.
24:44 The claim is only of my God.
24:46 That's it. A person can
24:48 try. I will also try.
24:50 I will take as many
24:52 of my friends as possible and
24:54 go there and
24:56 I will take
24:58 complete responsibility.
25:00 But you say that I will
25:02 sit here and
25:04 put a board like a madman
25:06 that I will take so many people.
25:08 I think I will be the biggest
25:10 mistake and I will be
25:12 the biggest mistake
25:14 if I say this.
25:16 I will also ask
25:18 your listeners to wait
25:20 and see how far
25:22 it is. This is
25:24 a matter of tomorrow.
25:26 Sheikh sahib, you are
25:28 very careful in talking but
25:30 Mariam sahiba has also made
25:32 big claims, claimed that
25:34 lakhs of people will come.
25:36 Maybe there would not have been
25:38 the need for geofencing,
25:40 you would have been in peace.
25:42 But the problem is that
25:44 your statements are also
25:46 under construction.
25:48 We don't even understand how much
25:50 to say, how much space does
25:52 the elder brother have?
25:54 Because the younger brother
25:56 is giving explanations, receiving
25:58 messages, indirectly addressing
26:00 the institutions. Maybe a
26:02 political man like you does not
26:04 even know what to say.
26:06 Not at all.
26:08 I understand everything.
26:10 And what is to happen, what is to be done.
26:12 Yes, you are saying that
26:14 this is decided.
26:16 The 21st
26:18 is what Mr. Nawaz
26:20 Sheikh sahib called his
26:22 speech, his
26:24 conversation.
26:26 The words used in it
26:28 are in his own mind.
26:30 It is in his heart and mind.
26:32 Coincidentally, I had
26:34 come here,
26:36 so I met him
26:38 twice.
26:40 As far as I know
26:42 or I understand,
26:44 he often listens to
26:46 his friends.
26:48 And with great patience,
26:50 with a very cool mind,
26:52 he listens to those things.
26:54 After listening,
26:56 he puts the useful things
26:58 in his mind.
27:00 But he
27:02 does not know
27:04 what to say.
27:06 But as far as
27:08 I know,
27:10 he has not yet
27:12 conveyed his heart's
27:14 message to the people.
27:16 I think he will
27:18 do it on the 21st.
27:20 Yes, I will share one thing with you.
27:22 I think it is a very
27:24 positive thing.
27:26 He said
27:28 that when he came
27:30 in 2013,
27:32 he was told to
27:34 announce this.
27:36 He refused
27:38 at that time.
27:40 I will not say this.
27:42 I will say it in a way
27:44 that I will try
27:46 my best for
27:48 these things.
27:50 And God willing,
27:52 I will try to
27:54 get them successful.
27:56 Even now,
27:58 I had a conversation with
28:00 him.
28:02 Thank you very much.
28:04 Sheikh Ruhaila Zaghra was present.
28:06 The heart's message
28:08 cannot be conveyed.
28:10 If the message is conveyed
28:12 by the mind,
28:14 it may not be sold.
28:16 But with every passing day,
28:18 Pakistan's most important policies
28:20 are coming forward.
28:22 And we have seen a clear policy shift in
28:24 Afghan policy. Pakistan smuggling,
28:26 illegal residence under Afghan law,
28:28 and strict decisions are being taken
28:30 by the Afghan administration.
28:32 The reaction of the Afghan administration
28:34 is also becoming more aggressive.
28:36 After the policy of
28:38 Badri, the country of
28:40 Afghan citizens,
28:42 today, the guards of Pakistan
28:44 have fired at the Pakistani
28:46 citizens in the Chaman Gate
28:48 without permission.
28:50 One of the citizens was injured.
28:52 The ISPR has said
28:54 that such irresponsible
28:56 and careless actions should be
28:58 stopped. The Afghan government
29:00 has contacted the government
29:02 to hand over the responsible
29:04 to Pakistan.
29:06 A few moments ago,
29:08 an important meeting
29:10 was held with the SIFC.
29:12 After that, the loyal minister of
29:14 entry, minister of information,
29:16 minister of support, minister of commerce
29:18 have informed the public
29:20 about the government's decisions
29:22 by holding a press conference.
29:24 Minister of Commerce Gohar Ajaz
29:26 has made a negative list
29:28 on smuggling.
29:30 Now, the bank will need a guarantee
29:32 for all means of
29:34 taking goods
29:36 through the Afghan transit trade.
29:38 While the minister of entry,
29:40 Sarfaraz Bugti, has demanded
29:42 the Afghan government to hand over
29:44 the enemy to the Kaif-e-Qardar
29:46 while strictly restricting
29:48 firing at the Chaman border.
29:50 In the APEX committee meeting,
29:52 the Afghan citizens were accused
29:54 of violating the law
29:56 and the lawful residence
29:58 of the citizens of the country.
30:00 The official statement
30:02 of the Afghan government
30:04 was first made on social media
30:06 platform X.
30:08 He said that the attitude
30:10 of Pakistan with the Afghan
30:12 refugees is unacceptable
30:14 because the Afghan refugees
30:16 are not involved in the security
30:18 of Pakistan.
30:20 Until they leave Pakistan
30:22 and return to their country,
30:24 the situation in Pakistan
30:26 has worsened.
30:28 In Pakistan, 24 suicide attacks
30:30 have occurred in the past few months.
30:32 14 of these were
30:34 the Afghan attacks.
30:36 On 12 May 2023,
30:38 5 Afghan refugees were involved
30:40 in the Muslim Bagh terrorist attack.
30:42 On 12 July 2023,
30:44 5 of the Afghan refugees
30:46 were involved in the Zop Camp terrorist attack.
30:48 On 30 January 2023,
30:50 5 of the Afghan refugees
30:52 were involved in the
30:54 Zop Camp terrorist attack.
30:56 On 29 September 2023,
30:58 5 of the Afghan refugees
31:00 were involved in the
31:02 suicide attack in Hangu.
31:04 In addition to terrorism,
31:06 Pakistan is also facing
31:08 a shortage of smuggling dollars
31:10 and the loss of billions of dollars
31:12 due to the recovery of luxury
31:14 items in the Afghan transit trade.
31:16 As a result of this loss,
31:18 the total loss has reached
31:20 $750 million.
31:22 And since Pakistan has imposed
31:24 restrictions on luxury items,
31:26 the impact of the Afghan transit
31:28 has been negated.
31:30 Because there is a shortage of
31:32 duty and use in Afghanistan,
31:34 most of the luxury items
31:36 are smuggled and sold in Pakistan.
31:38 Due to this, Pakistan has to
31:40 face additional losses.
31:42 These items include tyres, fabrics,
31:44 cosmetics, tiles, etc.
31:46 To address this,
31:48 it has been decided that Pakistan
31:50 will receive 10% processing fees
31:52 on the Afghan transit trade.
31:54 And on 100% of the items,
31:56 revolving insurance and
31:58 bank guarantees will be taken.
32:00 According to one estimate,
32:02 due to the shortage of duty,
32:04 Pakistan faces a loss of
32:06 Rs. 180 billion annually.
32:08 Terrorism and smuggling from Afghanistan
32:10 are certainly a part of the
32:12 economic problems of the country.
32:14 Pakistan also faces many other
32:16 problems, including the restrictions
32:18 imposed by the World Bank,
32:20 the Asia-Pacific Development Bank
32:22 and other financial institutions.
32:24 And the measures to be taken
32:26 are necessary for Pakistan.
32:28 For example, the World Bank
32:30 has advised Pakistan to
32:32 impose a tax on the
32:34 5 lakh monthly income holders
32:36 by 45%, while tax on those
32:38 earning less than Rs. 50,000.
32:40 In addition, the World Bank
32:42 has advised Pakistan to
32:44 review the 7th National
32:46 Financial Commission and
32:48 implement financing in the
32:50 loyalty and subahi sector.
32:52 While the shopkeepers should
32:54 also be included in the tax net.
32:56 In addition, more than 12 acres of
32:58 land should be taxed in the
33:00 agricultural sector. Cigarettes
33:02 and real estate should also
33:04 be included in the tax net.
33:06 In addition to the advice,
33:08 the World Bank has also
33:10 advised Pakistan to
33:12 implement the reforms.
33:14 The World Bank has said that
33:16 the members of the Pakistan
33:18 Government, the Cabinet,
33:20 the Treasury, the Cabinet
33:22 Committee and the Standing
33:24 Committees have a strong influence
33:26 on the tax policy, which
33:28 prevents the reforms.
33:30 None of them want reforms.
33:32 Pakistan's macroeconomic outlook
33:34 is in an uncertain state.
33:36 Pakistan faces high liquidity
33:38 risks, low exchange rates,
33:40 unstable political environment,
33:42 issues of foreign accounts
33:44 and several threats.
33:46 To deal with these threats,
33:48 political and policy stability
33:50 is in need.
33:52 Due to these economic
33:54 problems, there is an increase
33:56 in inflation in Pakistan.
33:58 The government has now established
34:00 a special committee to control
34:02 the rising inflation in the country.
34:04 What will this task force do
34:06 to deal with the rising inflation?
34:08 Pakistan is in a difficult situation.
34:10 To reduce inflation,
34:12 we increase the policy rate.
34:14 This leads to economic collapse,
34:16 squeezing, and unemployment.
34:18 Along with this, the country's
34:20 debts also increase.
34:22 Today, the Finance and Treasury
34:24 Committee told the committee
34:26 that when the base point
34:28 increases by 100, the country's
34:30 debt increases by 600 billion rupees.
34:32 The currency circulation of 700 billion
34:34 rupees also decreases.
34:36 26 crores rupees are deposited
34:38 in the bank accounts.
34:40 In simple words, due to high
34:42 interest rates, people deposit
34:44 money in banks.
34:46 When there is a currency shortage,
34:48 the State Bank of Pakistan
34:50 prints new notes to fill this shortage.
34:52 We will be back after the break.
34:54 The next case of Cipher will be
35:02 heard in the open court.
35:04 The court has ordered the hearing
35:06 to be held in the open court.
35:08 However, due to the lack of
35:10 information, the hearing
35:12 can be held in the open court.
35:14 Chief Justice of Islamabad High Court
35:16 Amir Farooq has cancelled the
35:18 hearing after the FIA has issued
35:20 a decision.
35:22 Two days ago, the High Court
35:24 of Islamabad has secured a decision
35:26 on the FIA's decision to hold
35:28 the hearing in the Cipher case.
35:30 FIA's special prosecutor,
35:32 Salman Safdar, has given
35:34 evidence against the request
35:36 of the hearing.
35:38 The hearing of the Cipher case
35:40 was declared as unconstitutional.
35:42 During the hearing, Chief Justice
35:44 Amir Farooq has said that he
35:46 has never heard a hearing in
35:48 the past nine years.
35:50 He has heard the evidence of
35:52 the FIA's decision and has
35:54 secured a decision.
35:56 The Ministry of Justice issued
35:58 a notification of the trial
36:00 to the FIA that the case
36:02 has been heard in the open court.
36:04 The FIA has accepted the
36:06 request of the hearing.
36:08 What do you want to achieve
36:10 from this? Will the
36:12 restrictions in the bail
36:14 be lifted?
36:16 We will talk to the
36:18 former Prime Minister.
36:20 Thank you for being with us.
36:22 We met the former Prime Minister
36:24 and Shah Mehmood Qureshi.
36:26 Your plea has been accepted.
36:28 What will you achieve from
36:30 the trial?
36:32 Criminal proceedings are always
36:34 in the open court.
36:36 There is transparency.
36:38 Article 10A states that
36:40 regardless of the seriousness
36:42 of the crime,
36:44 every crime should be
36:46 in the open court and
36:48 open proceedings.
36:50 We are emphasizing this
36:52 because
36:54 the case of Cipher
36:56 is a case of
36:58 Imran Khan's arrest.
37:00 We do not know about
37:02 the remand hearings.
37:04 We do not know when
37:06 the accused, Azam Khan,
37:08 will be declared
37:10 as a witness.
37:12 We do not know.
37:14 There are many secret and
37:16 discreet proceedings.
37:18 This is not the case.
37:20 The mode and manner
37:22 in which this trial
37:24 is progressing
37:26 is a cause of concern
37:28 that we want this trial
37:30 to be in the open court.
37:32 Official Secrets Act
37:34 1923
37:36 and this is
37:38 2023.
37:40 There is a 100 year difference.
37:42 It is a 100 year old provision
37:44 that the public will be excluded
37:46 and the public should not hear
37:48 what is being said.
37:50 I will tell you a common sense
37:52 argument that has been
37:54 appreciated in the courts.
37:56 On one hand, the opinion
37:58 in the FIR is that
38:00 Imran Khan shared
38:02 Cipher with the public
38:04 and the public was not supposed
38:06 to hear this.
38:08 On the other hand, the court
38:10 is requesting the public
38:12 not to hear this case because
38:14 it is a matter of privacy.
38:16 You are blowing hot and cold
38:18 in the same breath.
38:20 We want
38:22 like every criminal trial,
38:24 open proceedings,
38:26 not behind closed doors,
38:28 no secrecy,
38:30 transparency,
38:32 and integrity of the judges.
38:34 All concerned people
38:36 should be included.
38:38 In all fairness, we have
38:40 offered the judge
38:42 that if at any stage
38:44 there is any sensitive
38:46 evidence
38:48 that is shared with the parties,
38:50 there is a concept
38:52 in the UK and the US
38:54 called 'void'
38:56 or 'trial within a trial'.
38:58 The lawyers approach the judge
39:00 and discuss.
39:02 For some time, the jury
39:04 or the public
39:06 or the media
39:08 is excluded.
39:10 This does not mean
39:12 that the entire trial
39:14 should be done discreetly.
39:16 Today,
39:18 not only the court of the Official Secrets Act
39:20 dismissed the request for prosecution,
39:22 the Chief Justice Amir Farooq
39:24 dismissed the request
39:26 in the Islamabad High Court
39:28 and his bail
39:30 is now fixed
39:32 for 2pm on Monday.
39:34 Imran Khan's bail is fixed.
39:36 The case has been presented.
39:38 The secret proceedings
39:40 so far, a large chunk
39:42 of the trial has already commenced.
39:44 How much are you seeing the case affected?
39:46 The trial being submitted
39:50 is the biggest indicator
39:52 that the government
39:54 wants to start the case.
39:56 The focus of the political
39:58 victimization campaign
40:00 is all
40:02 on the banking of the Cipher case.
40:04 The Tosha Khana case
40:06 has been filed.
40:08 The bail has been fixed.
40:10 There is nothing left in the pipeline.
40:12 I would like to tell you
40:14 that Imran Khan
40:16 was not expecting
40:18 this at all.
40:20 He was delighted
40:22 to hear that all his
40:24 pre-arrest bails
40:26 have been revived.
40:28 They have been referred
40:30 for decision on merits.
40:32 He was not expecting this decision.
40:34 I was hopeful that we will engage
40:36 and we will be successful.
40:38 All the bails
40:40 that were filed
40:42 in the last two years
40:44 have been revived.
40:46 When all those bails
40:48 are revived,
40:50 how will we put
40:52 Imran Khan in jail?
40:54 We can only guess.
40:56 We cannot put him in Tosha Khana.
40:58 For the time being,
41:00 he is in Cipher.
41:02 He has a life of Cipher.
41:04 Clearly,
41:06 it is a case of bail for me.
41:08 Once the bail is over,
41:10 we will see what is in the pipeline.
41:12 You are hopeful that
41:14 the bail will be given
41:16 and the bail will be given
41:18 because he is still in jail.
41:20 Look,
41:22 the reason for the delay
41:24 in the bail is
41:26 excuses from the prosecutors.
41:28 Dilly-dallying.
41:30 Excuses.
41:32 I am surprised
41:34 that we say on every date
41:36 to discuss the matter.
41:38 But the government
41:40 seems to be leaving the field.
41:42 They are standing
41:44 and do not want
41:46 to start the case.
41:48 With great difficulty,
41:50 I am understanding that
41:52 finally, this bail is now
41:54 ready for arguments on Monday.
41:56 Before this,
41:58 the technicalities and
42:00 excuses that are made,
42:02 the dilly-dallying
42:04 that has happened,
42:06 I think it is finally over.
42:08 The former Prime Minister
42:10 said that there will be
42:12 no deal with anyone.
42:14 Cipher's case is to save people.
42:16 To save whom?
42:18 Look,
42:20 look at the FIR.
42:22 There are four famous
42:24 accused in the FIR.
42:26 Imran Khan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
42:28 Asad Umar and Azam Khan.
42:30 When the FIA gives its case,
42:32 after a thorough
42:34 investigation,
42:36 at this stage,
42:38 if it is giving
42:40 concession or latitude
42:42 or is off the hook,
42:44 then some concerns
42:46 or reservations arise
42:48 as to why this is being done.
42:50 So, it is selecting
42:52 some accused,
42:54 focusing on Shah Sahib.
42:56 If you study
42:58 the Official Secrets Act,
43:00 then
43:02 it has never
43:04 had any prosecution
43:06 by the Prime Minister.
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