11th Hour | Waseem Badami | ARY News | 15th Januray 2024

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(Current Affairs)

Host:
- Waseem Badami

Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja (Lawyer)
- Syed Khurshid Ahmed Shah PPP
- Senator Afnan Ullah PMLN
- Senator Humayun Mohmand PTI

'PTI Ko Siyasi Tor Par Bhut Nuqsan Howa Hai...", Salman Akram Raja's Big Statement

" Hum Is Baat Par Khush Nahi Ke PTI Ko Intikhabi Nishan Nahi Mila.." Khurshid Shah Ka Izhar-e Khayal

Kya PPP Level Playing Field Kay Mutalbay Say Pichay Hat Gayi? Jaaniye Khurshid Shah Say

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12:27 I have filed the ticket to the RO and I have written in my nomination form that I am hopeful of PTI, then whatever the symbol, I will be a PTI member and will be subject to its discipline.
12:47 The symbol has nothing to do with being a party member or being a party hopeful. It is related to the ticket.
12:54 These are two different parties which are judged by the government.
12:59 So you are giving an example of PTI, that PTI will be hopeful of the circle A with the cup and some other PTI will be hopeful of the circle B with the saucer.
13:07 Yes, yes, of course. See, whoever got the ticket and filed the ticket to the RO, then he is legally a PTI member.
13:20 It doesn't matter what the symbol is.
13:24 And will it make a difference in the specific seats or not?
13:26 See, the situation is that if the PTI candidate has collected the ticket of PTI, then PTI as a community can request that the seats they have won in the general elections, they should be given reserved seats accordingly.
13:42 So this can happen. We will have to see how many hopeful candidates are elected on the PTI ticket, whatever their symbol is.
13:50 And will this demand be fulfilled by PTI?
13:53 Does it seem possible to fulfill this demand that 40 people win PTI, for example, on different targets?
13:59 And these 40 people say that sir, we fought, so we were from the same community, so give us 40 seats in the special seats and they will get it.
14:06 Absolutely, if this happens, then this demand will be fulfilled. The matter will go to the courts. Now the courts do what they do.
14:13 But at this time, I am putting the legal thing in front of you that a person cannot be deprived of being a member of the community without having a symbol.
14:22 If the ticket was of the community and he has fought the election on the basis of that ticket, then he will be subject to the discipline of the community, he will be a member of the same community, even in the parliament.
14:32 And in accordance with that, the number of members of that community will be elected, and in accordance with that, the community will be entitled to the reserve seats.
14:39 And I am very sure that this will be discussed in the court as well and this position will be successful.
14:46 And tell me the last thing, how many hopeful are you in your circle?
14:49 There is a Noon League and the Stakam Party are fighting together for the election. Noon has left its seat for Aunty Chaudhary.
14:55 So how hopeful are you?
14:58 Look, it will be too early to say anything. I think that the people are aware, the services that are in the national arena, the identity that is in the national arena, is in front of the people.
15:13 And in that respect, I think that people will vote. This is a relatively large circle. And people see, they know who is what. I hope that the situation will be in our favor.
15:27 Thank you very much, Salman Akhran Mullah, having his own opinion.
15:31 He says that all the issues are in their own place, but if the people of PTI win, then they will be the concept of one party.
15:39 No doubt, the election signs will be different and they will be the concept of one community.
15:43 We will also demand to get the reserve seats. Then we will see whether it happens or not.
15:47 Then the matter will go to the courts and they will be called the hopefuls of PTI.
15:52 Let's move on to the next story. Today, Muslim League Noon has also started its election campaign.
15:59 Respected Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba held her first meeting in Okara today.
16:03 Where she talked a lot, and surprisingly, Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba also talked about the election symbol.
16:11 We will show you later. And the Pakistan People's Party has already started its election campaign.
16:17 We are Ranoma, the senior of Pakistan People's Party. Let's talk to Khurshid Shah, so that we know from him that
16:22 whatever has happened with PTI, the People's Party sees it as an opportunity, the People's Party is happy about it,
16:27 that it has been very good. A party leader has gone out of the way, or he thinks it is bad for the People's Party, for the democracy, and some other things.
16:36 Khurshid Shah, Assalamu Alaikum.
16:38 Wa Alaikum Assalam. How are you?
16:41 Sir, Alhamdulillah. Are you well? Thank you very much for giving time.
16:44 Mr. Shah, do you think this Supreme Court decision, because you talk about democracy and all these things,
16:51 is it a good decision for the democracy of the country, or is it a bad decision?
17:01 We have already suffered these things in the past. There is nothing new in this country.
17:08 We have come to say that everyone should feel that there is a level playing field.
17:17 But now, because the court has decided, we are all bound, we are not happy that they did not get the mark.
17:28 But because now the court has decided, and these people have failed to plead their case properly,
17:36 but now because the Supreme Court has decided, we have to believe everyone.
17:41 And I was listening to this, whoever was with you in the program,
17:45 Yes, Salman Akhmarajah.
17:47 Yes, he is a senior lawyer, he understands very well.
17:55 Now I do not know how much he understands politics, but this is that these people will never be called PTI,
18:02 because their targets are different. They are fighting for an independent position.
18:07 They do not have a target yet. No one can understand them.
18:14 Yes, they will be elected and then make their own party,
18:19 and then they will go to that party, announce it, and then take seats.
18:24 There is one more thing, their procedure will also be adopted, which party they join and take their seats.
18:35 This is the possibility.
18:37 Yes, I have the same.
18:38 They can choose any party and then go to that party.
18:54 Okay, you talked about the level playing field, so in your opinion, is Pakistan getting a level playing field?
19:01 Now, naturally, it has come out of the game, it is useless to talk about it.
19:08 Now you understand that this is a competition from the Noon League, PTI is out.
19:13 PTI is fighting as a free candidate, now they can go with any party,
19:21 because we do not want to play this game, to criticize someone and make a way for ourselves.
19:29 Whatever the decisions are, the people have to make them, they can do whatever they want.
19:34 But naturally, Imran Khan's nominated candidates will be in every ring,
19:40 technically free, their symbols will be different, so can these people be successful in a large number?
19:46 Okay, PTI is not a party, but PTI is Khan's nominated people.
19:50 I think there will be a difference.
19:55 So PTI will be in a negative way, they will get fewer seats than before?
20:02 No, they will get fewer seats, but they will get seats.
20:06 Okay, and?
20:09 How many seats? Because Baraham Nawaz is talking so much against the bat,
20:14 it is in doubt that why is he doing this?
20:17 That the bat should not be marked, why should it be, how should it be, this is this, that is that.
20:22 I understand that this was a sign of fear, but it was not the case,
20:32 PTI can take an independent position.
20:35 I will ask the question to Noor League's partner, I was saying this,
20:39 I stopped while saying that I will ask the question to Noor League's partner,
20:42 I was surprised that today Mariam Sahiba felt as if she won that case,
20:47 in fact she said in an innocent way that if you ask for a bat, then you will get a sign of revenge,
20:52 the election commission said give it, but you are asking for a bat, I did not understand this.
20:56 No, in your opinion, Shah sahib, is the court of Pakistan free?
21:01 The court has given the decision, the final decision, the right decision,
21:09 because I have told you before that they could not plead their case,
21:14 they could not make a proper case, that they will take it,
21:18 they could have told the Supreme Court that give us some time,
21:23 we need a time period that after the election we can get our elections done,
21:31 and try our proper method, because we have got a very short period,
21:35 they would have asked for some relief, so it is possible that the Supreme Court would have given it,
21:41 but they did not ask for it, they pleaded the case, and the case was not made proper,
21:46 they have made a lot of mistakes.
21:48 I asked you about PTI, why did you not level play them?
21:51 In one day, in one day, nomination, in one day, election, in one day, result,
21:57 this is not a time for withdrawal, this was not an election.
22:03 In the people's party elections, all the methods are followed, everything is done.
22:08 In every district we have elections.
22:12 And in the elections of the Central leadership,
22:16 do they usually get elected without a competition or are there some other candidates?
22:20 Almost, almost, almost, there are no competitions,
22:23 this is a party decision, it is a simple thing, but the method should be made better.
22:28 But if someone wants to, he can give the papers.
22:31 If someone does wrong, then he does wrong,
22:34 if someone does right, then he does right,
22:38 so that is also right.
22:40 Yes, it is right, that at least the papers should be completed so that the court does not get trapped.
22:45 You said a very interesting thing, it is right.
22:51 It was not interesting, I was helpless.
22:55 I think you have done it.
22:57 But then, let's go, when all the political parties talk about democracy,
23:04 then every party has to have, this is a very basic thing,
23:08 that every political party that promotes democracy,
23:11 should be a democracy in its own way,
23:13 there should be elections that are called democracy.
23:16 So this method should be better in the elections of the parties.
23:19 I will leave the rest of the parties and ask you.
23:21 See, in our party, there are elections in our district,
23:27 there are nominations, there is withdrawal,
23:30 it takes 4-5 days,
23:32 after that there is an election day,
23:34 after a week, on the second day, third day, fourth day,
23:38 there is a time, there is a proper election, the result is made,
23:41 and if there is an election, then there is an election,
23:44 or if there is a nomination, then there is an election,
23:47 if there is no competition, then it is a bad thing.
23:49 But the method is always right.
23:51 Hmm.
23:52 Okay, is the Pakistan People's Party getting a level playing field in the elections?
23:56 We have left that now.
24:00 We just want elections.
24:03 Okay, now you have stopped talking about the demand for it.
24:07 Whatever it is, it should be elections.
24:11 Okay, this is a matter of the future,
24:16 but it is possible that the future will be such that
24:21 the Noon League and the People's Party will be together in government and will be in each other's hands?
24:25 See, I have seen many things in politics.
24:29 Yes.
24:30 The friend of yesterday has become the enemy,
24:32 and the opponent of tomorrow has become a friend.
24:35 Yes.
24:36 So, this cannot be said.
24:40 But I told Nawaz Sharif once,
24:43 in 1997, I said that,
24:46 "Mian Sahib, we fought so much with each other,
24:50 when we got on a truck,
24:52 we bowed with shame, you know.
24:55 At least, I was the deputy leader of the opposition,
24:58 we used to get speeches against the Mualtar Ma'am.
25:02 So, at that time I said, "This is a part of the record."
25:04 Right.
25:05 So, I have seen that the opponents of yesterday became friends,
25:11 and the good friends became the opponents.
25:13 Shah Sahib, this time you are firing at them,
25:16 they are not even responding.
25:17 Bilawal Sahib, you are speaking against the Noon League in every Jalsa.
25:20 So, give this innocent advice to Bilawal Sahib.
25:22 That innocent advice was that,
25:27 these people came to Sindh without thinking, without talking,
25:34 and made an alliance with MKM.
25:37 We did not make an alliance with any such party,
25:41 or any such community in Punjab.
25:44 These people came to Sindh with MKM, GDA,
25:47 and started attacking silently.
25:49 They were not speaking verbally,
25:51 but started attacking silently.
25:53 And then they used to tell their friends,
25:55 "Don't speak, don't speak."
25:56 This is their right,
25:57 you can attack anyone you want,
25:58 they can attack anyone they want,
25:59 this is their right.
26:00 We did not object,
26:04 at least we have a right to speak.
26:06 We started firing because they came to Sindh.
26:08 They did not make any verbal attack,
26:09 they can attack anyone they want.
26:10 You can attack anyone you want in Punjab.
26:12 When they come to Sindh,
26:13 listen to me,
26:15 when there is a opposition,
26:17 the opposition's friend is the opposition.
26:20 I am right.
26:23 But, am I right?
26:25 When Bilawal Sahib tells that,
26:27 Noon League is such a bad community,
26:29 and their leadership is so bad,
26:30 then one will think that,
26:31 they were in an alliance 4 months ago,
26:34 so did they find out now,
26:35 10 days ago, that they are bad people?
26:37 No, we did not say that they are bad people.
26:40 Bilawal Sahib is saying it.
26:41 He says, "The Prime Minister has failed 3 times,
26:43 and this is the inflation league,
26:44 he has killed the people of inflation."
26:46 So one will think that,
26:47 they were in an alliance till yesterday,
26:49 did they find out today that they are bad people?
26:51 We are avoiding personal attacks,
26:57 and I am still avoiding it.
26:59 This is a good thing.
27:00 I am telling you this.
27:01 This is a good thing,
27:02 but I am trying to ask the logic behind it.
27:05 It is your right to criticize,
27:06 but I am trying to ask the logic behind it,
27:08 that if a person thinks that,
27:09 they are bad people,
27:10 then why were they in an alliance till yesterday,
27:11 and can they be in an alliance again?
27:13 Earlier, we used to attack each other more than this,
27:17 we used to get our tongues chopped,
27:19 what we used to do,
27:20 but still we became one,
27:22 and hugged each other.
27:24 May Allah not give us such a situation again.
27:30 Shah sahib, this means that it is possible,
27:32 that the inflation league that is being called inflation league,
27:35 it is possible that it will be attacked again tomorrow.
27:37 Right?
27:38 If you are supporting the people in the elections,
27:45 what is being shown,
27:47 it is being shown that,
27:48 he is the future Prime Minister,
27:50 and these people will rule,
27:53 so we should take something to the people.
27:57 We should have some spice,
27:59 we should talk to some people,
28:01 if we don't talk to them,
28:03 then they will say that they are good people.
28:05 In the elections,
28:07 a person can do something,
28:09 while remaining in the culture.
28:11 Right.
28:12 Okay.
28:13 And,
28:14 Shah sahib, what do you think,
28:16 Bilawal Bhutto Daddari sahib,
28:17 himself is going to fight the elections from Lahore,
28:19 will this be possible?
28:20 The US party is in Punjab,
28:21 so it will take a lot of time.
28:22 The answer to the innocent question is,
28:26 that we have put entry in Punjab.
28:29 Right.
28:30 Our workers were angry,
28:33 that we separated from you people,
28:36 we went to PTI,
28:38 we gave PTI the importance,
28:40 because PTI was against the Muslim League.
28:42 You joined hands with the Muslim League,
28:44 that is why we left.
28:46 So our ban,
28:47 which I am telling you very clearly,
28:49 our trance is that,
28:55 we have to go to Punjab and take care of our workers,
28:58 we have to go to opposition,
29:00 we have to go to opposition,
29:02 if we go to the friendship of the Muslim League,
29:05 then the friendship of the Muslim League,
29:07 we have lost Punjab from our hands.
29:09 Right.
29:10 And the last thing,
29:11 you have joined hands with the Moon League,
29:13 but today,
29:14 you met the chairman of PTI,
29:16 Mr. Imran Khan,
29:17 in the jail today,
29:18 and the journalist asked,
29:20 is it possible that you have joined hands with the People's Party?
29:23 He said, no, this is not possible at all.
29:25 Is this the same opinion from your side?
29:27 When did we say that we have joined hands with them?
29:31 I am asking about PTI,
29:33 you said it is possible.
29:35 Is this also possible or is it completely impossible?
29:37 Look, the politics that PTI has done,
29:42 they have not done sensible politics,
29:45 they have done patriotism politics.
29:48 So we cannot be a part of them.
29:51 Right. Thank you very much, sir.
29:53 Mr. Khurshid Shah was saying that
29:55 the intra-party elections should be better.
29:57 He also said something very sensible,
29:59 that if someone does something wrong,
30:01 then it is done in the right way,
30:03 and if it is done wrong, then it is done right.
30:05 PTI has not done that either.
30:07 And then he says that the Moon League needs some criticism,
30:11 elections are going on,
30:13 so obviously, some spice is needed.
30:15 Let's take a break with this news,
30:17 that the price of petrol has decreased.
30:19 Rs. 8 has been reduced by 3 litres,
30:23 while the price of diesel has remained the same.
30:25 The new price of petrol was Rs. 259.34,
30:28 after a reduction of Rs. 8,
30:30 while the price of diesel has remained the same.
30:32 We will be back after the break.
30:34 Once again, welcome to our show,
30:41 with us is Humayun Mehman,
30:42 who is the Senator for Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
30:44 with us is Afna Anwazullah,
30:45 who is the Senator for PMLN.
30:47 Let's talk to him,
30:49 or rather, let's start from here.
30:51 Very interestingly, in the Senate,
30:53 you saw that when a resolution was passed,
30:55 if there is a resolution in Ayawan-e-Bala,
30:57 then there is a news,
30:59 that the summary of which was that
31:01 the elections should be delayed.
31:03 One or two things,
31:05 after that there is another resolution.
31:07 Right now, I have the resolution in my hand,
31:09 the date is 15th January,
31:11 today's date, in the morning,
31:13 at 9.04, in which the Senator Dilawar Khan
31:15 has said that the elections should be delayed.
31:17 I have another resolution in my hand,
31:19 Senator Hilal-ur-Rehman says that
31:21 it is very cold, very snowy,
31:23 and there are terrorist attacks in some areas,
31:25 so that is why Ayawan-e-Bala,
31:27 the Senate,
31:29 demands that the elections should be postponed
31:31 to a date that is acceptable for everyone,
31:33 instead of 8th February.
31:35 This is Senator Hilal-ur-Rehman.
31:37 There is another resolution,
31:39 Senator Hidayatullah,
31:41 his summary is that
31:43 the elections should be fully considered,
31:45 and he has said that the elections should be postponed
31:47 to three months.
31:49 First, I would like to ask the Senators
31:51 of both the parties,
31:53 what is this matter?
31:55 Thank you very much.
31:57 Mr. Afnan, when the first resolution came,
31:59 if I am not mistaken,
32:01 you were the only voice
32:03 who was opposing it,
32:05 when they said "aye" and "no",
32:07 and you raised the "no" voice.
32:09 But these resolutions and resolutions are coming,
32:11 are there any individuals sitting in the Senate
32:13 who are just presenting their resolutions
32:15 for their own demonstration?
32:17 Or is this some other matter?
32:19 Someone is saying this to them,
32:21 and then this Senator is saying it to the Senate.
32:23 What is happening?
32:25 In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.
32:27 Look, the thing is that
32:29 the resolution of the Senate
32:31 has a lot of importance,
32:33 but the importance of the resolution of the Senate
32:35 is the will of the House
32:37 behind which it is.
32:39 There is no value
32:41 of the resolution of the Senate
32:43 of 14-12 Senators,
32:45 they are reducing their own value
32:47 by putting light on it again and again.
32:49 Why are they doing this?
32:51 Look,
32:53 these people can tell
32:55 themselves what is the reason for this.
32:57 Will you have any opinion?
32:59 Your colleagues are sitting in the House,
33:01 will you have any opinion
33:03 that maybe that is why they are doing this?
33:05 What can I say?
33:07 Maybe this is their own plan,
33:09 it doesn't seem like it,
33:11 maybe they are doing it on someone's request,
33:13 this is the way it is.
33:15 Are there any people in your party
33:17 who are technically free,
33:19 but are you?
33:21 Look,
33:23 Senator Dilawar,
33:25 when he was elected,
33:27 his votes were not complete.
33:29 He had an independent MPA,
33:31 MPP,
33:33 MPP,
33:35 and he had some
33:37 MPA's with him,
33:39 and some of them were less.
33:41 Our votes did not make him our Senator.
33:43 He requested us
33:45 to support him,
33:47 so he will be with us throughout.
33:49 But we supported him,
33:51 he became the Senator,
33:53 but if you look at the voting pattern
33:55 of the last 6 years,
33:57 you will realize that
33:59 he has hardly ever
34:01 taken our initiatives,
34:03 and it is very rare
34:05 that he has supported us.
34:07 So you can guess
34:09 what is going on.
34:11 And Mr. Momin,
34:13 what is your opinion
34:15 about the people who are
34:17 calling him a traitor?
34:19 Is this a popular agenda
34:21 or is it just a show?
34:23 Look,
34:25 I think there are some things
34:27 that are better
34:29 if you don't comment on them,
34:31 but if you comment on them,
34:33 they will get their importance.
34:35 They are not worth commenting on.
34:37 Because when they say
34:39 that from the side of
34:41 Aywan-e-Bala,
34:43 it is like
34:45 I am sitting in the last row
34:47 of the Senate,
34:49 and there are a few
34:51 regular people sitting
34:53 in front of me,
34:55 but generally they are not there.
34:57 I was sitting there
34:59 for about 12 hours
35:01 and I left.
35:03 Because the agenda was over
35:05 and there was nothing else.
35:07 And generally people
35:09 would talk at some point
35:11 and most of them
35:13 were not there.
35:15 They were not there.
35:17 They were not there after Friday.
35:19 Like when it rains,
35:21 they all come.
35:23 They all came suddenly.
35:25 I have heard that.
35:27 Was there any other senator
35:29 of yours at that time?
35:31 Ali Mohammad Khan said yes.
35:33 Who were they?
35:35 There were three big political parties.
35:37 One was Mr. Afnaan himself,
35:39 one was Mr. Tangi
35:41 and one was our Gurdeep Singh.
35:43 I came to know that
35:45 Afnaan was sitting in the front
35:47 and they were sitting in the back
35:49 and neither of them said anything.
35:51 But having said that thing,
35:53 this is a
35:55 drama
35:57 that was staged.
35:59 This would never have happened
36:01 if our chairman
36:03 was not involved.
36:05 Because this cannot happen
36:07 without him.
36:09 This is my opinion.
36:11 So I think that was...
36:13 If someone wants to bring a resolution
36:15 which is so senseless,
36:17 is it right for the chairman
36:19 to stop him from bringing the resolution?
36:21 Absolutely.
36:23 It is his prerogative.
36:25 But if this resolution
36:27 is made to the chairman,
36:29 then it can be misused in the future.
36:31 The chairman can say that
36:33 he does not like the resolution
36:35 and that is why he is not allowing you to bring it.
36:37 This power can be misused.
36:39 What do you mean?
36:41 They are not misused.
36:43 They are wrong or right.
36:45 Everything is wrong
36:47 that can be misused.
36:49 Look, Mr. Badami,
36:51 everything is wrong in Pakistan.
36:53 In general,
36:55 all the responsibilities
36:57 in Pakistan are not fulfilled.
36:59 The powers are misused.
37:01 Why is Pakistan
37:03 lagging behind
37:05 everybody else?
37:07 Despite the fact that
37:09 there is everything in Pakistan,
37:11 but if there is a lack of one thing in Pakistan,
37:13 it is a lack of honesty.
37:15 If there is a lack of one thing in Pakistan,
37:17 it is a lack of speaking the truth.
37:19 If there is a lack of one thing in Pakistan,
37:21 it is that
37:23 there is nothing right
37:25 in this country.
37:27 You and I talk about our interests.
37:29 We talk about what is in my interest.
37:31 I will do it. You will do it.
37:33 But we will not speak
37:35 what is in Pakistan's interest
37:37 like half-truth.
37:39 So, you mean the chairman and the senate.
37:41 Okay, I have one more thing.
37:43 Moving forward, Mr. Aftan,
37:45 the Noon League has started the election campaign.
37:47 The optics are that
37:49 a decision was made
37:51 against PTI
37:53 last week.
37:55 And the PIR got into the Noon League
37:57 and PTI was sent to the CTS side.
37:59 Today, Ms. Mariam said something.
38:01 Please listen to her.
38:03 She commented on the election sign.
38:05 I will put the question in front of you.
38:07 Today, tell us
38:09 that my election sign should be a stick
38:11 or my election sign
38:13 should be a petrol bomb.
38:15 We ask the Election Commission to give them
38:17 so that they know
38:19 what their reality is.
38:21 A lion can get a lion's sign
38:23 but a terrorist
38:25 can't get a political
38:27 party's election sign.
38:29 Mr. Aftan, isn't it wrong on many levels?
38:31 Firstly, one party
38:33 has been removed from the election.
38:35 You are celebrating it, although you are its target.
38:37 Secondly, when you say this,
38:39 you are adding more conspiracy theories.
38:41 When Ms. Mariam says
38:43 that she wants this sign,
38:45 the Election Commission says
38:47 that you can give it to her.
38:49 Can't you use more mature words?
38:51 The thing is
38:57 that legal matters are legal
38:59 and political matters
39:01 are political.
39:03 She has spoken at the Jalsa.
39:05 She basically wants to say
39:07 that after the
39:09 work she did on 9th May,
39:11 she can get this sign.
39:13 What else can she get?
39:15 But she has not been given
39:19 this sign since 9th May.
39:21 She is from the intraparty elections.
39:23 She is saying that
39:25 she got the petrol bomb
39:27 because of 9th May.
39:29 She should get this sign
39:31 because of her work.
39:33 We are not celebrating it.
39:35 But you tell me
39:37 whether this is
39:39 a small matter
39:41 that we can put under the carpet.
39:43 There have been many injustices
39:45 on big parties before this.
39:47 But no one did this work.
39:49 After this, she is saying
39:51 that she did not do anything.
39:53 I am talking about
39:55 this decision.
39:57 Do you think this is right?
39:59 As a result, the political party
40:01 was practically out of the party elections.
40:03 As a democrat,
40:05 do you think this is a good thing?
40:07 No,
40:09 this is not a good thing.
40:11 I do not think
40:13 that she got this sign
40:15 because of her political work.
40:17 But we have to
40:19 follow the law.
40:21 If the people
40:23 decide on my wishes
40:25 or their wishes,
40:27 then it will be like
40:29 the Punjab government
40:31 which did not let the elections
40:33 go on for 5 years.
40:35 They did not let the elections go on.
40:37 They did not let the elections go on.
40:39 You have to run the country
40:41 according to the law.
40:43 This decision is based on the law.
40:45 Her attorney has said
40:47 that there were no elections.
40:49 All Pakistanis have heard
40:51 that there is no document
40:53 or any documentation of her nomination.
40:55 She did not say that there were no elections.
40:57 There is a process.
40:59 She gave some documents
41:01 but could not sign.
41:03 If there is no documentation,
41:05 then nothing happened.
41:07 She did not give any nomination.
41:09 Sir, when you were told that
41:11 she did not give the money,
41:13 that the money was receivable,
41:15 that it was necessary to show
41:17 that she did not lie,
41:19 that she was not a simple woman,
41:21 when you were being
41:23 taken out in such a technicality,
41:25 you used to say that
41:27 you have taken a microscope
41:29 to find out the political down.
41:31 We had our elections
41:33 before 2018.
41:35 When we did not have our elections,
41:37 they took our symbol.
41:39 This will not happen with us tomorrow
41:41 or it has already happened with us
41:43 in the Senate elections.
41:45 As I said earlier,
41:47 it is better for this country
41:49 that all the major parties
41:51 come on the Charter of Democracy.
41:53 Two have already come.
41:55 Study it well.
41:57 The benefit of that is
41:59 that you will admit your past mistakes
42:01 and say that we will not do it.
42:03 Only then can these matters
42:05 run properly.
42:07 Otherwise, it will run as it is.
42:09 So, you are concluding.
42:11 How will you manage this now?
42:13 In every circle,
42:15 every sign,
42:17 will it be very challenging for you?
42:19 It will be challenging,
42:21 but when the going gets tough,
42:23 the tough gets going.
42:25 Now, challenging in the sense
42:27 that there is no doubt that
42:29 the real thing that I am
42:31 afraid of,
42:33 the thing that I am worried about
42:35 is that
42:37 this decision
42:39 has empowered
42:41 the Election Commission
42:43 that it can intervene
42:45 in any political party's
42:47 intraparty elections.
42:49 In the 2017 election,
42:51 they did not have
42:53 this right.
42:55 They only asked for a certificate
42:57 that you give an affidavit
42:59 that we have conducted elections
43:01 and after that.
43:03 But in this, they have done it in great detail.
43:05 And I think that
43:07 I have said this a couple of times
43:09 that like
43:11 in 1954,
43:13 what Justice Munir
43:15 did,
43:17 that
43:19 you have necessity,
43:21 the doctrine of necessity,
43:23 this is part two
43:25 of that doctrine of necessity.
43:27 In this,
43:29 what will you do?
43:31 The Election Commission,
43:33 which is easily controllable,
43:35 can dismantle any big party.
43:37 How is this a doctrine of necessity?
43:39 Because the argument is that
43:41 technically,
43:43 if you look at this decision
43:45 strictly, then it is fine.
43:47 However, the lenient view should have been taken
43:49 that as a result of this,
43:51 the election was being out.
43:53 So, you would have warned, but not out.
43:55 The other side's argument is that if they would have done this,
43:57 if they would have taken a lenient view,
43:59 then it would have been a doctrine of necessity.
44:01 That sir, you are wrong, but the election is going on,
44:03 so let's give you a license.
44:05 So, how is this decision in accordance with the doctrine of necessity?
44:07 It is like this,
44:09 in 1988, the decision of 11 bench court,
44:11 the article of 17-2,
44:13 they tell you that
44:15 as a group, you can organize yourself
44:17 and you cannot take your certificate.
44:19 Number two,
44:21 the election act,
44:23 the 208, 209, etc.
44:25 they tell you that
44:27 the election commission can only tell them
44:29 to get the election done
44:31 and after that,
44:33 furnish these things.
44:35 The second point in 208,
44:37 that the political party
44:39 gets the election done
44:41 according to its constitution.
44:43 Now, in the constitution of Pakistan,
44:45 you have to make a panel
44:47 and you cannot make it individual.
44:49 So, we made a panel
44:51 according to that.
44:53 Now, if a person comes,
44:55 then we furnished
44:57 that too,
44:59 in which on 26th September,
45:01 in 2011,
45:03 a letter was issued
45:05 to Akbar Azmabad,
45:07 in which his basic membership was given.
45:09 Correct, technically.
45:11 But, however, now you are saying that you are ready,
45:13 that even though you do not consider it a challenge,
45:15 you are ready to go for the election.
45:17 Thank you very much, sir.
45:19 Thank you very much.
45:21 We will come back after a break.
45:23 [Outro Music]
45:27 [Outro Music]
45:29 [Outro Music]
45:31 [Outro Music]
45:33 [Outro Music]
45:35 now a party from the Naib Sadar Noon League Punjab has given his resignation. This is the N87, Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
45:45 Senior Anumma Sumeyra Malik, we will ask her. Assalam-o-Alaikum, Sumeyra Sahiba.
45:49 Wa-alaikum-salam.
45:50 So now you are not a party member, you have left the party. You are now an independent candidate.
45:55 What is your view on this?
45:57 I had given my request for independence, but due to some reasons I had to withdraw my request, which I am very disappointed in.
46:23 So now you are not a part of the election?
46:27 Now I am not a part of the election and this has happened after about 22 years.
46:33 All my voters, supporters, my group is very disappointed.
46:39 I have a very heavy heart that for the first time in 2024, in this day and age, I am not being allowed to contest an election.
46:50 Which is my right as a Pakistani.
46:53 What will you say to the voters of the constituency? Who will your voters support in this election?
46:58 I have not decided on this yet because this is a recent event and my voters are very sad and angry.
47:09 I have resigned because my party does not need me. They have given a person a ticket who is not from this constituency but from another constituency.
47:26 Why do you think the party has done this?
47:28 I don't know, maybe he is a very favourite candidate or something.
47:33 Why was I forced to resign?
47:37 Under whose pressure?
47:39 There are only powerful forces, so I did not want to drag my supporters and voters to be humiliated.
47:50 So I made my own sacrifice, but I am very disappointed that this is happening.
47:55 Thank you very much, Meher Amal.
47:57 We will keep you updated on the election.
48:03 Inshallah.

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