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The Garden Report airs live after the Celtics fourth game of the season vs the Pacers at TD Garden. Tune in the Celtics Postgame Show with Bobby Manning, Josue Pavon, Jimmy Toscano, A. Sherrod Blakely and John Zannis as they share their takeaways from Boston's first game of the season!!

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00:00:00 What up?
00:00:02 This is guy.
00:00:03 I hope you guys stayed up through the fourth quarter.
00:00:06 Because that was this fourth quarter was much better than the other fourth quarter.
00:00:10 Yeah, I'm a couple games.
00:00:11 This was a lot of fun.
00:00:13 That was a fun.
00:00:14 They got the message.
00:00:16 The bench got the message.
00:00:17 Yeah, that little like circle.
00:00:20 You shoot that orange yellow ball through that orange ball rubber ball through it.
00:00:24 Yeah, you just yeah.
00:00:26 I mean, they kept they they they
00:00:29 didn't have the walk of shame back to the bench in in the Washington game,
00:00:34 but it was close.
00:00:35 It was close.
00:00:37 But and so tonight they extended the lead.
00:00:41 I think it went from 37 to what the final which is 51 51 friggin points.
00:00:47 Jimmy, we just can we just admire the score 155 204.
00:00:51 This is reminiscent.
00:00:53 This reminds me and they're winning in different ways because they're scoring more than the 07
00:00:58 018 but that 07 018 beat the shit out of opponents.
00:01:03 They didn't give it.
00:01:04 They didn't care.
00:01:05 They didn't score like they have a hundred points a game.
00:01:08 I preface that but they still beat the hell out of the opponent like they and this Celtics
00:01:14 team has now done that over the last two games like these are these are these are two quarter
00:01:19 games.
00:01:20 They're over at halftime.
00:01:21 Yeah, two and a half quarters like Al Horford barely even needed to show up tonight.
00:01:26 Like when he was like he didn't he didn't need to show up.
00:01:29 Yeah, so hey, what do you say about a game like this?
00:01:36 I mean other than you ever watch the show doing all those things you ever watch the
00:01:40 show party down of the caterers on Showtime with Adam Scott.
00:01:45 No, I haven't are we having fun yet talking about that's his catchphrase.
00:01:50 It's a new show or no, it's funny.
00:01:53 It's funny.
00:01:54 It was an older show that was funny as hell did nobody watched it and it got canceled
00:02:00 but people loved it picked up steam like after the fact and then they rebooted it like 12
00:02:05 years later.
00:02:06 It was it was it was outstanding you guys you should watch it.
00:02:09 It's a very funny incredible cast.
00:02:12 Anyway, it's fun.
00:02:13 What did we have?
00:02:15 We had worry look, where are we?
00:02:18 We're four games into the season and what are we talking about Jimmy?
00:02:21 Like is the bench?
00:02:23 Oh, I'm stupid TV show or the bed is the bed.
00:02:26 We're going to talk about candy soon to we are going to regroup around you is the bench
00:02:31 isn't good the ninth guy who is there to is there backup backup big gonna be yeah, the
00:02:37 ninth guy is not that good.
00:02:39 Yeah, the clown time is coming by the way.
00:02:47 I got the tangway costume on somebody's oh god.
00:02:52 Now that's scary.
00:02:54 The glasses.
00:02:55 I'm sorry if I scared you guys with the glasses.
00:02:57 I didn't I didn't mean to.
00:02:59 Yeah, you know, put the glasses on John.
00:03:01 You can't you literally can't see without these glasses.
00:03:04 Whatever Bobby.
00:03:05 Who's Bobby?
00:03:06 I'm just kidding.
00:03:07 Oh, right.
00:03:08 Because you can't see because I can't see it's listen.
00:03:10 It's just for the ad reads.
00:03:12 I can't see that.
00:03:13 I can see you.
00:03:14 I can read the comments.
00:03:15 I can see everything fine.
00:03:16 But when the ad reads I have to pull them up on the screen and I'm it sends me these
00:03:19 little teeny things.
00:03:21 Oh, we need to nail the ad read.
00:03:25 I'll be honest.
00:03:26 The last shows ad read did not go great.
00:03:28 Somebody's phone.
00:03:29 Somebody's phone went off in the middle of it like it was a whole ordeal.
00:03:33 I had to read the fine print and I felt like the fine print was all out of sorts like it
00:03:38 didn't make sense but I was reading it and long story short we lost a sponsor we have
00:03:43 we have no sponsor so I'm apparently I'm off to a bad start this season.
00:03:49 Yeah.
00:03:50 Anyways, I think I'm doing fine.
00:03:55 So did I lose you?
00:03:58 Is he frozen for just me or somebody tell me if he's frozen for just me or if my computer
00:04:07 screwed up.
00:04:14 Amit are you there?
00:04:17 All right, I'm going to pretend that I'm going to act like John is gone and it's just me
00:04:22 here.
00:04:23 Okay, it's just me.
00:04:24 The chat is now saying it's just me.
00:04:26 All right, so 155 104 Celtics with a big win tonight.
00:04:30 This is a back to back absolute massacre performance by the Celtics.
00:04:35 I'll read through the stats here 56% from the field 57% from three 96% from the line
00:04:43 27 assists 58 rebounds 12 turnovers against a Pacers team.
00:04:47 That's not supposed to be that bad.
00:04:49 This is a fringe playoff team here.
00:04:50 I am big big big screen here.
00:04:53 I think John probably lost battery.
00:04:55 That's my guess.
00:04:57 You know big big win for the not a big win.
00:05:01 It was a it was a win that we had expected them to do the Celtics going into this one
00:05:04 minus 11 11 point favorites.
00:05:07 I had a couple of buddies text me wondering if the line was too big.
00:05:11 Apparently not.
00:05:13 Let me see here and pull up.
00:05:16 Where is Jason Tatum?
00:05:18 There is Jason Tatum tonight continues on his monster start to this year with 30 points
00:05:25 915 from the field three of five from three and again.
00:05:30 We've been saying quiet 30 here quiet 30 there.
00:05:34 This guy is quietly going to be averaging 30 points a game this year.
00:05:38 It just feels that way and and I do wonder you know what it's texting me here.
00:05:49 John's internet went out.
00:05:50 So we're going to wait and see if we can get John back in here.
00:05:53 Meanwhile, I will try to hold the show down for now.
00:05:58 But we've got Tatum with another 30 point game and it does feel like again before the
00:06:02 season started you had a lot of talking heads picking him not a lot.
00:06:05 But you had some picking him as their favorite for the MVP this year and early on it feels
00:06:11 like that way and you know, there's a lot of questions going into this season how the
00:06:15 Jays were going to gel or how they're going to interact and work with the new lineup,
00:06:21 you know with Drew Holiday coming in, you know, Derek White becoming a much more prominent
00:06:26 force and then you have obviously Porzingis in there and so far so good.
00:06:32 I mean tonight was an interesting one.
00:06:34 If you want to talk about Jalen Brown's performance.
00:06:38 No, it wasn't a 30 something point game from a couple nights ago, but I found it very interesting
00:06:43 that two nights ago.
00:06:44 He takes 13 threes and tonight he takes one and some people might look at that and say
00:06:48 and maybe try to spin that as a negative thing.
00:06:51 I don't I actually think that's a testament to Jalen Brown being able to achieve that
00:06:55 and being able to adjust his game and give the game what it needs.
00:07:00 And again, yeah, we're kind of talking about two quarters here because the Pacers couldn't
00:07:03 make this one a game but 7 to 15 from the field 16 points and he only took one three
00:07:09 pointer a game ago.
00:07:10 He took 13 and he so he's finding ways to contribute in other facets seven rebounds
00:07:15 and two turnovers.
00:07:16 He had zero turnovers the game before that.
00:07:18 So already off the bat, it feels like we're getting a different Jalen Brown this year
00:07:23 than we got in previous seasons and maybe that's because he doesn't feel he has to do
00:07:27 as much.
00:07:28 Certainly he doesn't and that goes that that goes for everybody on this team or at least
00:07:35 in the starting lineup because of the fact they have so much talent all around it.
00:07:39 You have you know Tatum who's still I would say I would call him the Alpha at least in
00:07:44 some capacity, you know, he always has been and he's still putting together those 30
00:07:48 point games, but you also have Brown now who has shown that when called upon or when needed
00:07:55 or when he does have the hot hand to start guys are finding him and he's fully capable
00:07:59 of taking on that.
00:08:01 You know that scoring load 30 plus points.
00:08:03 He can do that.
00:08:04 We know we can but on a night like tonight where obviously they get out to an early lead.
00:08:10 There's one ball and that ball is going to get passed around.
00:08:13 It's going to get distributed because it's what winning teams do and I think that was
00:08:18 a big thing and a big reason why you had some of these players from the 2008 Celtics team
00:08:24 2007-2008 Celtics team come through not just the 07-08 team.
00:08:28 Obviously the guys played more seasons than that.
00:08:30 We're talking about Paul Pierce.
00:08:31 We're talking about Rajon Rondo, but we also have you know, Sam Cassell as an assistant
00:08:38 coach.
00:08:39 John, are you there?
00:08:40 I don't know man.
00:08:42 These are my last two days on the planet with Xfinity.
00:08:45 They've been killing me.
00:08:47 Let me finish my thought.
00:08:48 I was, please finish it.
00:08:50 You came in at the perfect time John.
00:08:51 I was talking about your pal Jalen Brown and how tonight and last game were good examples
00:08:58 of different things that Jalen Brown will be asked to do.
00:09:03 You know one night he's asked to or not asked to but he's pretty much given the role of
00:09:09 the score, right, the lead guy.
00:09:12 And on a night like tonight he doesn't need to but he's not forcing things.
00:09:16 He took 13 threes last game because he was the guy that they were looking for and tonight
00:09:20 he takes one.
00:09:21 And I think if he's cool with that then that means what these former Celtics were preaching
00:09:27 are getting through to these guys because I can tell you there's a lot of players in
00:09:30 the NBA that would not be cool with that.
00:09:32 They would not want to take a backseat or they were not going to be third or fourth
00:09:35 string on any given night.
00:09:37 But if these guys can actually buy into that and say, "Hey, I don't really care that I
00:09:41 only took one three-pointer tonight.
00:09:43 We won by 50 freaking points."
00:09:45 If they can be cool with that and they can put winning first, they're going to win the
00:09:50 chance, you know, they're going to at least go very, very far.
00:09:54 You know, I picked them to win the title before the season started.
00:09:56 It's just a prediction.
00:09:57 Obviously not to take anything away from like the Nuggets or the Suns or whoever.
00:10:02 Is John frozen again?
00:10:04 Oh my God.
00:10:05 I was talking to him the whole time thinking that he was listening.
00:10:08 I'll just keep going then.
00:10:11 Not to take anything away from those teams out west, but I think the Celtics, if they
00:10:14 can actually put their, you know, pride aside, and that's what you have to do, you have to
00:10:19 put your personal goals and the scoring titles and the MVPs and the All-Star games and all
00:10:25 teams aside, and you have to play for the common goal.
00:10:28 So when you look at the score tonight and you look at the score in last night's game,
00:10:31 that's what you get from a team that is buying into team basketball.
00:10:36 And I like what I see so far.
00:10:39 I really, really do.
00:10:40 And it's hard to sit here and say otherwise.
00:10:42 I mean, they're 4-0, I think widely considered going into the year as a title contender.
00:10:46 And there has been absolutely nothing that would change that opinion for anybody.
00:10:51 You know, even the bench tonight, you know, we were in the chat and I apologize, I can't
00:10:57 look at the chat right now because I'm trying to do this show solo, but the chat a couple
00:11:02 of games ago, right off the bat, only wanted to talk about how bad the bench was.
00:11:06 And I guess that's typical Boston after a blowout win, they try to find the negative
00:11:10 things.
00:11:11 And we're guilty of it on this show sometimes.
00:11:12 We do try to find, not try to find, but we do tend to focus on some of the negatives
00:11:17 because you can only talk about, you know, Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown scoring 30 points
00:11:21 a night so many times and you have to look for other avenues at some points.
00:11:25 But tonight the bench, completely different story.
00:11:29 63 points, 23 rebounds, 12 assists.
00:11:34 And I know we have some, yeah, we have Amit, our producer, super producer, Amit, was nice
00:11:39 enough to put some lower thirds together for us from some of the bench guys.
00:11:42 And Pritchard tonight, after a really, really poor shooting night a couple nights ago, 15
00:11:47 points, 6 of 10 from the field and 2 of 3 from three.
00:11:51 And I think our guy, Hauser, here we go.
00:11:56 Look at this.
00:11:57 5 for 6 from 3 from Hauser.
00:12:00 And this is a game where if you're Hauser, you're taking a huge, huge breath walking
00:12:08 off the court after going 5 of 6 from 3 tonight.
00:12:11 Because when you talk about what these guys are in the game to do, it's to hit shots.
00:12:16 A guy like Hauser's not going in there for defensive purposes, although I understand
00:12:20 that he might be a better defender than a lot of people want to give him credit for.
00:12:25 But when he's in the game, they're looking to get him shots, 3-point shots, and he needs
00:12:29 to hit those shots.
00:12:30 Tonight he does that, plus 23 in 19 minutes, 5 of 6 from 3.
00:12:33 I mentioned Pritchard earlier, 15 points from him.
00:12:36 And again, he signs the contract in the beginning of the year.
00:12:40 And a little bit of a slow start and you wonder, okay, is he going to be able to step into
00:12:46 that 7th man row?
00:12:50 If you're talking about the fact that you have 6 starters, is he going to step into
00:12:54 that first guy off the bench mentality in a way?
00:12:59 And a night like tonight gives you a little bit more hope.
00:13:02 9 assists, 4 rebounds.
00:13:04 There's no reason why this guy can't be a good role player on a championship team.
00:13:09 Last year, I felt like he didn't get enough opportunity.
00:13:12 I felt like when they did go to him, it was either too late in games.
00:13:16 And what I mean by that is he just kind of sat on the bench for too long in between playing
00:13:20 time.
00:13:21 And when you're a shooter, yeah, you need to be ready at all times.
00:13:25 But anybody will tell you that if you're just sitting on the bench cold and then you're
00:13:28 asked to go into the game, it's a completely different mentality and story to sort of just
00:13:35 get yourself going that fast.
00:13:37 So if he's able to get a little bit more consistent burn, obviously earlier on in games now because
00:13:41 he is coming in one of the first couple of guys theoretically off the bench, he's going
00:13:46 to be able to get into a little bit of a groove early on, find his shot, hopefully get comfortable
00:13:50 with the pace of the game, dish out the assist.
00:13:52 He's a quick player.
00:13:54 We call him Sparky as a joke, call him the P party.
00:13:58 And tonight, I think, gave everybody a little bit of an idea of what some of these bench
00:14:05 guys are capable of.
00:14:06 No one is going to sit here tonight again after one good performance and say, oh, well,
00:14:12 we can expect these type of numbers from the bench.
00:14:14 We know that we can't.
00:14:15 But the Celtics and Bobby said it on the show and John said it on the show, and I'm sure
00:14:19 Josue has and Shradd as well.
00:14:21 They made their bed, they made their bench bed when they traded for holiday.
00:14:25 You know, they made their bench bed when they didn't resign Grant.
00:14:29 You know, they made these decisions.
00:14:31 And I think you live with them, obviously, with the performance that you got tonight,
00:14:37 performance that you're getting so far from the starting lineup, where you have, you know,
00:14:42 guys or the starting lineup easily scoring, you know, over 100 points combined.
00:14:47 You're not going to need 63 points on any given on a regular night from your bench.
00:14:53 And obviously, the fact that they all played, you know, the second half tonight is going
00:14:57 to, you know, blow those numbers up a little bit.
00:15:02 But you'll like the fact that when they do go to the bench, it doesn't look like it did
00:15:05 Monday night where you look at a 30 point game dwindle down to 15.
00:15:10 That was pretty disheartening.
00:15:12 You know, if you want to talk about a negative from Monday's game.
00:15:15 Tonight was a different story.
00:15:17 Love to see it.
00:15:19 John is back again.
00:15:20 I don't even, I was talking to you for like three minutes and you were frozen again the
00:15:24 second time.
00:15:25 I thought you were just like really like looking at your computer, but you were frozen.
00:15:30 It's going to happen again.
00:15:31 Is it?
00:15:32 Can we get like Joe Sway or Bobby in here so I don't have to scream into the abyss?
00:15:37 We're trying to get Joe Sway on.
00:15:39 Anyways, John, I've been going around explaining.
00:15:43 While I have internet, can I try to say something?
00:15:46 Please.
00:15:47 I'm going to try to say it.
00:15:48 I'm going to try to not react too big because when I do, you're messing with me.
00:15:54 Don't do that because I'm going to, I'm going to get animated.
00:15:59 I'm going to freeze with one of those faces.
00:16:02 You can't joke about it.
00:16:03 Yeah, you can't because it's already happened twice.
00:16:07 Are you in Brockton by now?
00:16:08 Are you in Brockton by the way, John?
00:16:10 No, it's my neighborhood.
00:16:12 It's just killing me.
00:16:14 On and off trucks coming in.
00:16:16 It's been pretty bad.
00:16:17 We're going to bring in Joe Sway.
00:16:18 What I was trying to say.
00:16:20 Why aren't you hardwired in?
00:16:22 I am.
00:16:23 It's not that.
00:16:24 It's the entire, we're going in and out.
00:16:26 We've had just rolling issues.
00:16:28 What I was trying to say is that this obsession with the bench, which, and the bench played, acquitted itself well today.
00:16:35 I haven't fully understood only because, again, if they're healthy, there's three starters on the floor at all times.
00:16:43 And they're so much better than the other team.
00:16:45 The bench doesn't need to do a lot.
00:16:47 They just need to not puke all over themselves and then they're fine.
00:16:50 But tonight they did well.
00:16:52 Like you got good Hauser minutes in that first.
00:16:54 You played 10 minutes in the first half.
00:16:56 Right.
00:16:58 And you finally found a shot.
00:17:00 But yeah, I think Richard was great.
00:17:02 Right.
00:17:03 But I think, I mean, Joe Mazzola is with you.
00:17:06 I don't think he's looking for, we talked about this in the last show, right, Jimmy?
00:17:09 I mean, he's not looking for like a full five man line to come off the bench and, you know, that would be the normal whatever.
00:17:15 I just think he's looking for some sort of group that is always ready for when their name is called, regardless if they're up by 50 or if it's a tie game.
00:17:23 So I just think it's super important that, yeah, you don't have like the deepest bench in the world, but that you have three guys that are consistent,
00:17:30 that you can always call upon that obviously aren't involved in the, you know, not a part of the top six, as we're calling them, right, you know, outside of Al Horford.
00:17:37 And I think Hauser is, he makes the most sense as someone who's grown as a defender.
00:17:44 I mean, he's not like a lockdown defender, but he's certainly a lot better than he was a year ago around this time, right?
00:17:48 His shot obviously has improved.
00:17:50 And look, the law of averages has shown us time and time again.
00:17:53 I mean, when he's ice cold, he's going to have one of these games.
00:17:56 And that's exactly what happened to that.
00:17:57 Is John there?
00:18:01 Okay. Yeah.
00:18:02 John's crystal clear, man.
00:18:03 You guys messing with me?
00:18:04 This is like a joke on Joe's phone.
00:18:06 Look, when it's running, it's humming like at a zillion gigabytes per whatever.
00:18:11 It's flying, but when it's, and then it just goes.
00:18:14 You're in HD right now, man.
00:18:16 You're crystal clear.
00:18:17 I can't wait to watch back this video when I'm done, because I think I blacked out for like five minutes trying to figure out what the hell was going on.
00:18:26 Oh, man, you got to embrace it, Jimmy.
00:18:28 It's happened to me before.
00:18:29 I call it the Joe Sway Show.
00:18:30 And then you just go with it.
00:18:32 And all of a sudden.
00:18:33 I didn't catch a ton of the game today.
00:18:34 I caught a chunk of it, but there were parts that I missed.
00:18:37 Oh, that's great.
00:18:38 Yeah.
00:18:39 Oh, okay.
00:18:40 I think John is conspiring against me.
00:18:43 It's because two comments like this, Jimmy, right?
00:18:48 Oh, God, I wouldn't know.
00:18:50 I don't want to give over.
00:18:51 I don't want to take hostages from you.
00:18:53 They're all yours.
00:18:54 How much did you compare this game to the Wizards game?
00:18:56 Just out of, you know.
00:18:57 Well, so that's what I tweeted that earlier.
00:19:00 The Cascal made a good comment.
00:19:02 Yeah, I retweeted that.
00:19:03 That's what I thought was like the Wizards, like, Jordan Poole is like, yeah, whatever.
00:19:09 Just flipping shots.
00:19:10 I mean, you can tell.
00:19:12 In the first quarter, yeah.
00:19:13 Minutes into the first quarter, the tone of that Wizards game was, we're going to lose.
00:19:17 Let's get out of here.
00:19:18 You know, they gave up on that game minutes in.
00:19:21 The Pacers were trying their asses off, like doing everything they could.
00:19:26 And they'd be like, oh, we just scored.
00:19:28 And then it was like, wham, 12-0 run.
00:19:30 Wham, 14-0.
00:19:32 And it was like Rick Carlisle called the timeout every two minutes.
00:19:37 And in between that, the lead had ballooned from like 10 to 12 to 36.
00:19:41 Like, he couldn't call timeouts fast enough.
00:19:44 It just, it was just an onslaught.
00:19:46 And it was easy.
00:19:47 It was like a layup drill when they wanted it, threes when they wanted them.
00:19:51 It's just the talent differential.
00:19:54 And I know, you know, you're missing Halliburton and, you know, the Pacers are the Pacers.
00:19:59 The talent difference is just immense.
00:20:04 But the Pacers are like a fringe playoff team.
00:20:07 They're not, right?
00:20:08 I mean, they're not like completely --
00:20:10 I think we found out something.
00:20:12 They're without their best player.
00:20:14 It's true.
00:20:15 But I don't even -- I don't know if they're quite there.
00:20:17 You know, I mean, they're not Washington.
00:20:19 But, I mean, to your point, John, they were trying out there.
00:20:22 They were working really hard.
00:20:24 I mean, that's sort of their identity.
00:20:26 I mean, you know, they're not loaded with talent, but they have guys that are going to go out there
00:20:31 and put forth their best effort.
00:20:33 And the Celtics, I mean, it was devastating the way this team found its offense, you know, early and often.
00:20:38 And, you know, Jaylen going off and then Tatum taking his -- I mean, the mismatch.
00:20:43 Just the way these guys are able to sniff out a mismatch.
00:20:45 I mean, TJ McConnell, it was a nightmare for him.
00:20:47 It didn't matter where he was.
00:20:49 He was caught either guarding Jason Tatum or, you know, down low trying to defend Jaylen at times, you know?
00:20:57 Yeah.
00:20:58 It just shows a lot about this team's IQ, you know.
00:21:00 I mean, in terms of, like, the spacing and obviously we knew going into it with Drew Holiday and Chris Dasper-Zingas
00:21:06 we're going to mean to that, you know.
00:21:08 Like, that's what makes them so explosive.
00:21:10 But to see it put together the way it was tonight against the Pacers, man, it's like, man, these guys are just --
00:21:16 this is going to be one of those teams where you're like, man, like, there's only maybe a handful of teams
00:21:22 that could really, you know, a handful of defenses that could really put a dent into this offense.
00:21:28 And I'm not saying that as in, like, man, this team's going to go out and win, like, 75 games.
00:21:32 But I just think that's how good this offense is.
00:21:34 I mean, it's very explosive, clearly.
00:21:36 And they're so disciplined, you know.
00:21:38 It's like we were talking about going into the season.
00:21:40 I mean, these guys, it's just so many experienced players that have all reached the point in their careers
00:21:46 where, you know, they're ready to take that next leap.
00:21:49 We're seeing it, even though it's only the second week of the regular season.
00:21:51 I mean, obviously it's a great start.
00:21:53 You know what?
00:21:54 And I don't feel like they're scoring only like one way.
00:21:58 Like, I don't think that we're going to have a situation where it's like, hey, just take away the one thing they do well.
00:22:03 You know, Bobby texted us earlier tonight mentioning about how, like, their low post scoring is increasing.
00:22:10 And you can see it out there, too.
00:22:11 Like, they're not just relying on threes.
00:22:13 The shots are falling.
00:22:14 Don't get me wrong.
00:22:15 I mean, you go down -- they shot, what, 58% from three tonight or something?
00:22:18 Right.
00:22:19 I mean, yeah, but then that's how the lead balloons to 50-plus.
00:22:22 Right.
00:22:23 But they didn't need it.
00:22:24 No.
00:22:25 Right.
00:22:26 They were getting whatever they wanted, wherever they wanted.
00:22:28 Right.
00:22:29 And Tatum getting 10 free throws in three quarters, like, that's every day in this offense.
00:22:33 Right?
00:22:34 Like, that's the norm.
00:22:35 That's the new norm for him.
00:22:37 What we used to say -- yeah, and what we all used to say, that he makes it so hard on himself.
00:22:42 Right?
00:22:43 Like, we always used to say, has it ever been harder for a player to score 22 points?
00:22:47 And we were talking about Tatum, and we were talking about, like, Tatum and Brown.
00:22:50 Now, he's quietly scoring 30 points, like, every game.
00:22:54 He's going to quietly average 30 points a game this year.
00:22:56 And it's because he's doing it in all facets of the game on offense.
00:23:02 Right?
00:23:03 He's not just taking wild threes.
00:23:04 What's up, John?
00:23:05 No, just when you guys were talking about the threes, the starters only shot -- the Celtics shot 35 as a team.
00:23:11 And that's with, you know, 15 minutes of clown time where people were just jacking them.
00:23:16 The starters only shot 23s.
00:23:18 You know, like, a ton of that stuff came in the fourth quarter.
00:23:22 Hauser shot six.
00:23:23 Pritchard shot three.
00:23:25 You know, Svee shot four in his one minute of action or whatever.
00:23:29 You know, like, they were not relying on it.
00:23:33 They just -- they were going, attacking, mismatch, mismatch, you know, in the paint, in the paint.
00:23:39 I mean, it was clinical, this just dismantling of this team.
00:23:44 Unbelievable.
00:23:45 And I love seeing that effort in the fourth quarter, man.
00:23:48 I know it's cliche when you see the team, you know, up by 40 and, oh, the fourth quarter, you know, the bench crew is still carrying it.
00:23:54 But, man, to see the entire starting five and the rest of the guys on the bench on their feet throughout that fourth quarter, cheering on Hauser, cheering on, you know, Peyton Pritchard, it's a great moment for these guys.
00:24:05 You know, clearly what happened in Washington was discussed in practice, I'm sure.
00:24:09 You know, the second unit, not dropping the ball because, you know, they still won the game.
00:24:13 But clearly, you know, they could have used some more out of those guys, right?
00:24:16 I mean, Bobby asked Joe Mazzullo about the second unit's offense.
00:24:19 He's like, no, I'm not worried about that because I think what he means by that is, one, it's early.
00:24:23 And, two, I mean, he's not going to, again, expect five, six guys to come off the bench and perform at a high level.
00:24:30 But you're seeing that continuity between the second unit.
00:24:35 And I love that Pritchard's involved in that.
00:24:37 I asked Brad -- wow, I almost said Brad Stevens.
00:24:39 I asked Joe Mazzullo after the game about that.
00:24:42 I called Joe Emeigh all year last year.
00:24:44 I think I -- so, yeah.
00:24:46 I haven't said Brad in a year probably.
00:24:49 It's been a while.
00:24:50 We'll let it slide.
00:24:52 Thanks.
00:24:54 Yeah, I mean, when I asked him about that, he's like, man, Pritchard right now is going through that stage of deciding when it's his time to attack
00:25:01 and when it's time to be that secondary playmaker that can set up shots for guys.
00:25:05 And I think that fourth quarter was a great example of that.
00:25:08 And you saw Mazzullo on his feet a lot throughout that fourth, kind of coaching him through it, especially on the defensive end,
00:25:13 but making -- but showing -- but, you know, talking to Pritchard during timeouts, one-on-one, just kind of regrouping and stuff,
00:25:21 not like in a, you know, you're in trouble type of way, but just seeing those two communicate, man, I think go a long way, especially for Pritchard.
00:25:27 I really do believe he's going to be one very important piece off the bench, that secondary playmaker, that's going to help create those opportunities.
00:25:35 Yeah.
00:25:36 I mean, that's totally possible.
00:25:38 I know, like, Bobby's obviously really bullish.
00:25:40 I'm honest, I'm not, but I don't care.
00:25:44 Shocking.
00:25:45 No, meaning, like, I don't think you can count on it night in, night out, but I don't care because I don't think you need that.
00:25:51 That's the point is you just need people -- look, if they get hurt, that's tough.
00:25:56 Depth really starts to get stretched there, and that's going to be challenging.
00:26:00 But if they're healthy, you just -- you don't need the bench to score.
00:26:05 You just need them to support the starters who are going to be on the floor at the same time as them when they score.
00:26:12 Like, that's -- if there's only -- it's always, always, all night long, three of the top six and two bench guys.
00:26:19 They're not subbing in five in, five out, so you just don't need it.
00:26:23 You just got to find the guys that fit and that can give you what you need.
00:26:26 And I know there's stuff in the chat about Stevens tonight.
00:26:31 I know he only played six minutes.
00:26:32 I like him.
00:26:33 I want to see him -- I want to see him get more cracks.
00:26:37 I think you need -- more than anything else, you need to be able to spell to get some wing minutes, to get some athletes out there,
00:26:44 to get some defense out there, to get energy out there.
00:26:46 Brissette scares the hell out of me.
00:26:49 He looks really sloppy.
00:26:51 I'd like to kind of -- I'd like to flip Brissette and Stevens' minutes and see what happens there.
00:26:56 Jimmy had a comment up there that said that imagine betting 50, plus 50, and losing.
00:27:04 Yeah, if you did want to do that.
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00:27:08 It was 13.5.
00:27:10 And Bobby and Joe Suede did a little pregame hit for FanDuel prior to the game.
00:27:15 Like, that seems high, 13.5.
00:27:18 Wow.
00:27:19 No respect for the Pacers.
00:27:21 Oh, boy.
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00:30:19 Back to the game, Jimmy, you were saying?
00:30:21 Well, I get your point on the bench.
00:30:24 I really do.
00:30:26 But you can't have a completely inept bench and expect to win the game.
00:30:29 Not inept, you're right.
00:30:30 It's just not going to happen that way.
00:30:32 The basketball gods would not allow that.
00:30:34 I can't imagine that's ever happened in the course of NBA history, that you just have like five or six good players.
00:30:42 They just have to play their roles, whatever you want those roles to be.
00:30:44 They have to play their roles.
00:30:45 They have to play their roles.
00:30:46 That Piston squad, they may have had two.
00:30:49 That Piston squad is an anomaly.
00:30:51 I still don't know how they won the title that year.
00:30:54 But you have to have guys that, like you said, yes, play a role.
00:30:58 But don't forget, John, there are going to be games where there's going to be guys resting,
00:31:01 and those players are going to now be either in the starting lineup or first off the bench,
00:31:07 and there's going to be less starters that's going to be able to save them.
00:31:10 You can't expect, and obviously, especially in today's NBA, you're not going to get five guys or six guys
00:31:16 that are going to play 82 games or even 72 games.
00:31:18 So there's got to be some level of dependability from this bench.
00:31:24 And it was nice tonight that Hauser -- I mean, you're talking about roles.
00:31:27 Hauser did his role perfectly, five of six from three.
00:31:29 Petry did his role perfectly, came in off the bench, nine assists, paced the team when he was in there.
00:31:35 That's great.
00:31:36 If you can get that out of those guys, yeah, you are going to win 72 games, as Joe Suez said earlier tonight.
00:31:42 Yeah, Cornette, you got a full quarter of Cornette, and you got Bobby.
00:31:45 What's going on, Bobby?
00:31:47 Not quite.
00:31:48 They got him out of there.
00:31:50 Sorry about that.
00:31:51 That was disappointing.
00:31:52 Sorry for your loss.
00:31:53 Yeah, sorry for your loss.
00:31:55 But overall, big turnaround from that group.
00:31:57 You know, I was a little concerned, John, and good to see them bounce back here against probably better competition on the floor.
00:32:03 They clicked really well.
00:32:05 And I asked Joe pregame about that group, and he said Pritchard, Hauser were still very confident in those guys.
00:32:11 So no bench shakeup in sight.
00:32:13 I don't think you're going to see, to your point, John, the Lamar Stephens and Delano Bantons of the world just yet.
00:32:21 And of course, the MISK who's hurt now, which is a little disappointing in the two games he could have potentially played here.
00:32:26 But Yathan, we knew that coming in.
00:32:29 I think it's even more apparent than we predicted.
00:32:34 This team pretty much has to score 100 points from that starting unit, which they would have gotten to pretty easily tonight if they played the full game.
00:32:41 And they're capable of it.
00:32:43 You know, that starting five, you weren't here, John, but I pretty much relented.
00:32:47 What else are you going to say?
00:32:49 They're outscoring teams by like 40 points per 100.
00:32:51 So you keep that group, and there's really not much point.
00:32:54 Are you going to say, Bobby, the holiday to the bench, question mark?
00:32:57 You can't do it.
00:32:59 You can't do it right now.
00:33:00 Oh, you can't?
00:33:01 Are you, what?
00:33:02 Why not?
00:33:04 Geez, that's weird.
00:33:06 Because you're up 30 in the first quarter with that group out there, and then the bench doesn't even matter.
00:33:11 Exactly.
00:33:12 But, you know, we'll see what happens throughout the flow of the season here.
00:33:15 It's an amazing lineup because of the fact that the way they want to play, mismatch, hunting, you're pretty much looking at.
00:33:23 And Joe said it before the game.
00:33:25 They showed a clip from one of the first three games where they had five mismatches across the floor.
00:33:29 And it's like, where do you go with it?
00:33:31 So, you know, they're going to get better at identifying those.
00:33:33 It's like freaking Christmas every time down the court, right?
00:33:35 It's like, I don't know what to open first.
00:33:37 You know, like, I don't know where to go.
00:33:39 It's so -- there's so many, like, opportunities.
00:33:44 It's just -- it's almost too easy.
00:33:46 What's funny is, like, you would think the Celtics would get bored, and they might if they keep this up.
00:33:52 No.
00:33:53 But --
00:33:54 That could happen.
00:33:55 But they're not.
00:33:56 And you know why they're not?
00:33:57 It's strictly because of Holiday and White in that starting lineup.
00:34:04 They won't let it happen.
00:34:06 Like, they just go, go, go all the time.
00:34:09 I think they keep the energy up.
00:34:11 We talked about this in a different show.
00:34:13 And other guys see it, and they're like, oh, I guess we're still trying.
00:34:16 Let's keep trying here.
00:34:18 And they just -- I love the focus of those two guys.
00:34:21 Both when they have the ball in their hand and how quick they kind of move it, and also on defense.
00:34:26 The effort is just there at the start.
00:34:29 And I think it's impossible to slack off.
00:34:33 So, you know, like, another difference with this team, what have we seen a couple times this year?
00:34:41 Okay, out of four games, a bit of a dogfight and a slop fest against the Knicks, okay, opening night to be expected.
00:34:48 A tough game against Miami where you started to implode a little bit.
00:34:52 You had that situation with the double turnover, and you fall down early.
00:34:56 They come back and play well in crunch time.
00:34:59 Then you have two games in a row against a crap opponent that you could have easily taken lightly.
00:35:04 They don't take them lightly.
00:35:05 They come out, step on their throats, and then they come out in the second half and extend their lead even further.
00:35:12 Those are all things that they didn't do last year.
00:35:14 And you've seen a snapshot of all of these things just shows you they're taking stuff more seriously.
00:35:18 Here's Mazzulla talking about that.
00:35:22 What's making them kind of have that focus?
00:35:25 Now, two games in a row where they've had that.
00:35:27 Yeah, I mean, it's just who they are.
00:35:28 It's just them.
00:35:29 You know, they're aware, but they've been around a long time.
00:35:31 They communicate with each other.
00:35:33 And then that's kind of the standard that they set for themselves.
00:35:36 And, you know, even in like the eight-minute mark to about six or four when they came out,
00:35:41 like I thought we were like competing, making multiple efforts.
00:35:44 And like that is a testament of the toughest that you have to have to handle the things that go in the NBA.
00:35:49 So we've got to be have the humility to understand that it went well for us.
00:35:53 And, you know, we just got to be ready for the times that it doesn't.
00:35:58 Yeah, we'll see when that comes.
00:36:01 It didn't seem like it's going to come anytime soon.
00:36:03 I don't know.
00:36:04 You wonder.
00:36:05 I just there's something.
00:36:06 I thought it would be tonight.
00:36:07 Right.
00:36:08 But Halbert.
00:36:09 I don't know.
00:36:10 Too soon.
00:36:11 I think that happens with any team, but not not not at this point of the season.
00:36:15 I mean, this is when everyone is focused, you know, or at least trying to find that continuity that every team trying to find.
00:36:23 But the Celtics are way ahead of the rest of the NBA, it feels like, you know, like in terms of just that offense.
00:36:29 And I know they're not, you know, number one right now, if you look up the team stats.
00:36:34 But by week three or week four.
00:36:36 After tonight, they will be.
00:36:37 It wouldn't shock me.
00:36:38 After tonight, I probably will.
00:36:39 I think they're averaging what, 117 going into this one.
00:36:42 So, yeah, this will definitely put them over 120.
00:36:44 But it's still early.
00:36:46 But I just I don't see this thing slowing down anytime soon.
00:36:50 I have no reason to believe it will.
00:36:53 I mean, these guys are clicking on all cylinders right now.
00:36:55 I mean, they really are.
00:36:57 And it's so fresh.
00:36:59 Yeah, it's still I mean, listen.
00:37:02 You have to like what you see, because this is a new starting lineup.
00:37:05 And the fact that they could have had growing pains to start the year.
00:37:08 I mean, shoot, a lot of people thought Holiday might come off the bench before he got more acclimated with, you know, the starters.
00:37:15 Like, so it's clear that that hasn't been needed, which is a great thing.
00:37:18 Now, yeah, there's going to be.
00:37:20 Listen, they're not going to win every single game.
00:37:22 And we're going to trash them on here at some point, you know, when they lose and if they lose to a bad team.
00:37:26 But I don't think the Pacers, especially without Halliburton tonight, are talented enough to stage any sort of comeback in that second half there.
00:37:32 And I think I said it off the top, these types of wins, the last two, although they're done differently because they're scoring a lot more and John's gone again.
00:37:42 They're killing teams that reminds me of like the 07/08 team, Joe Sway.
00:37:48 When they came in, you know, the Pierce and the Ray Allen.
00:37:52 We talked about that here tonight.
00:37:53 Did you? OK.
00:37:54 Yeah.
00:37:55 The fact that, you know, these guys came in and nobody knew for sure what to expect.
00:37:59 They knew they had a lot of talent.
00:38:00 They weren't sure how it was going to go, how it was going to look out there altogether.
00:38:03 And right off the bat.
00:38:04 Oh, shit.
00:38:05 Yeah, it's going to work.
00:38:06 And they're absolutely, you know, just taking it to teams and.
00:38:11 Foot on their throats in that second half, they're embarrassing team, this is embarrassing loss to lose by 50 points, basically 49 points.
00:38:20 That's embarrassing if you're unbelievable.
00:38:22 Yeah, I couldn't believe it.
00:38:24 I mean, I told you, I was like, I was one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
00:38:28 And just the way I kept growing and growing and growing.
00:38:31 I said, Bobby, this is how it used to be, man.
00:38:34 It didn't really look like the Pacers gave up either.
00:38:37 Like the Celtics just kept pushing.
00:38:39 No, the Pacers don't have players that are like, you know, shot chuckers and divas and all that stuff where they would just give up.
00:38:45 Like they're just the talent gap is that big.
00:38:48 You know, again, they're playing.
00:38:49 Pacers are playing without their best player.
00:38:51 Right.
00:38:52 So there's going to be some of that.
00:38:53 But even if Halliburton the game, I mean, you're still talking about an easy double digit win here.
00:38:59 Right. I mean, he's not going to make it.
00:39:01 He's very important to them.
00:39:02 He is.
00:39:03 But I don't think that he changes the game that drastically tonight.
00:39:06 No.
00:39:07 You know, like this was a game that the Celtics were dead set on coming out there and, you know, the shots fell.
00:39:13 But Bobby, you mentioned it in our text earlier.
00:39:16 They're scoring way more this year.
00:39:19 You said post post play, right, is way up compared to where it was last year.
00:39:24 Coming into tonight, they were second and post stuff's behind Denver.
00:39:27 So a dramatic difference from a team that virtually didn't post up last year outside of like maybe one a game from Tatum.
00:39:33 You see Andrew do it.
00:39:35 You see in Tatum do it a lot more.
00:39:37 St.
00:39:38 Porzingis do it, certainly.
00:39:39 And Brown got into it a little bit tonight, I thought, to backing guys down and hitting those little turnarounds.
00:39:44 So they're a powerful team.
00:39:46 Tatum's playing with some real force.
00:39:48 And I think that adds to some of the imbalance they create on these defenses because teams really have to account for that.
00:39:55 Now they have to guard the middle.
00:39:57 They have to kind of pack the paint a little bit.
00:39:59 And Joe said it after the last game, and I thought it was a great point.
00:40:03 The Celtics are playing inside out this year more like they're going to the rim and scoring there and then getting the ball to the perimeter from there.
00:40:11 They're grabbing offensive rebounds and kicking them out.
00:40:15 Everything they do kind of starts from the paint.
00:40:17 And that's the difference from last year when I thought more often than not they just kind of step around screens and shoot threes.
00:40:23 Everything was just around the three-point line.
00:40:25 You know, pull up quick in transition and just get the fastest three they could.
00:40:29 And, you know, they're still shooting a ton of threes.
00:40:31 It's still a big part of what they do.
00:40:32 In fact, they were first in volume coming into tonight.
00:40:35 But they have the other options.
00:40:38 I think they're getting better looks, though.
00:40:39 Yeah, I think they're getting better looks.
00:40:41 Like you said, if they're going inside to outside, you're getting passes from the whole opposite direction now than you were from last year, and you're getting better looks.
00:40:49 I mean, you can't tell me --
00:40:50 I thought they settled a lot last year.
00:40:52 Totally.
00:40:53 Oh, my God.
00:40:54 We would go on the show and pull our hair out because of the shot selection, how boring their offense was, right, how they would just -- whether they walk it up or run it up, it would just always end up being an ill-advised -- not always, but it would be a three-pointer whether it was ill-advised or not.
00:41:08 Smart was guilty of it.
00:41:09 Tatum was guilty of it.
00:41:10 Brown was guilty of it.
00:41:11 All those guys.
00:41:12 Holliday, I think what he brings, he's just such a big body.
00:41:15 He doesn't play like a guard.
00:41:16 As we know, he can guard basically one through five, and oftentimes he's right there under the basket fighting for boards or on the offensive end, you know, bullying guys under the hoop.
00:41:28 His moves low post are exceptional.
00:41:32 And I just think he just plays so much more control, too, where he has been a huge, huge part of the way that they play differently now on offense.
00:41:40 And everyone talks about -- yeah, everyone talks about what he does defensively, Joe Sway, but offensively, even if he's not the guy scoring, he's allowing them to score in different ways.
00:41:48 Right.
00:41:49 And this is, like, the first time he's had, like, weapons like this, right?
00:41:52 I think John said it was like Christmas for him, you know?
00:41:54 He's like -- maybe that's something we overlooked as well, how he would adapt naturally and how it just makes everyone better, right?
00:42:01 What are you guys talking about?
00:42:02 What's up, John?
00:42:04 Holiday.
00:42:05 Welcome back, John.
00:42:06 Hey, guys.
00:42:07 John, wait your turn.
00:42:08 Talking about how Holiday has changed or he's been one of the reasons why their offenses look so different now.
00:42:14 What's the over/under --
00:42:15 Joe Sway was talking about it.
00:42:16 What's the over/under by which game Bobby's going to start liking him?
00:42:22 83.
00:42:23 I don't think it's going to happen.
00:42:24 He usually goes one way or the other, so probably Saturday night, the next game.
00:42:29 Against the Nets.
00:42:30 Yeah, he's dying on that hill right now.
00:42:35 But, Joe Sway, you were talking about how Holiday kind of affects things differently on offense.
00:42:40 Yeah, I just think he makes life easier for everyone, and he's still adapting, right?
00:42:45 It was game three -- oh, game four.
00:42:47 So I just -- yeah, I think when Joe Mazzuolo was telling us that throughout training camp and, you know, having us sort of wonder if he was going to go with a different starting five than we all envisioned, I think that had a little bit to do with it, you know, him adapting and all that.
00:42:59 But I don't think that was ever the plan for him to come off the bench.
00:43:02 I just think that it was something that we were all going to see how the starting five is completely different in the sense of how they approach the game, you know, compared to last year.
00:43:11 And then there's Porzingis.
00:43:12 Like, that 7-3 body changes a lot, right?
00:43:16 The spacing is way different compared to last year.
00:43:19 You have someone who can score essentially from anywhere inside the arc, beyond the arc.
00:43:24 And tonight his presence just opened up the floodgates for guys like Tatum, right, for Holliday, for Derek White.
00:43:30 I mean, it's just -- I guess a team like the Indiana Pacers where, like you said, Jimmy, didn't have that offensive firepower to even muster a comeback in that second half, the Celtics' approach never changed.
00:43:42 It was as if they were down or as if it was a close game throughout the entire second half.
00:43:46 Yeah, and you know what?
00:43:48 Sorry, Bobby, why don't you go?
00:43:51 We've seen the biggest difference, I think, offensively because of Porzingis and Holliday's still working his way in, picking his spots here, effective with the shot making and just where he's positioning himself on the floor.
00:44:01 But, you know, your Whites and Tatums and Porzingis are driving, I think, the --
00:44:06 Porzingi.
00:44:07 Yeah, boost on --
00:44:09 [laughter]
00:44:11 That's the plural, right? That's the correct plural.
00:44:13 That is true.
00:44:14 Porzingi.
00:44:16 They're driving the offensive, and certainly a lot of this offensive firepower comes from their defensive stops.
00:44:23 That's where Holliday deserves a ton of credit.
00:44:25 I mean, they're doubling, they're digging, they're bringing help, they're being very aggressive on that end, and certainly Porzingis makes an impact on that end, too.
00:44:33 But in terms of in the half court, just all the mismatches and imbalance they're creating, it's definitely Porzingis.
00:44:39 He just --
00:44:40 It's everything.
00:44:41 He draws so much attention.
00:44:42 Yeah, but he's the biggest one.
00:44:44 It's every -- what happened, they had small guards, it's everything.
00:44:48 Of course, Porzingis is one.
00:44:49 What happens tonight?
00:44:50 The Pacers are playing small guards.
00:44:53 What are the first two possessions?
00:44:54 In the post, Drew in the post and White Muscle's a guy down low.
00:45:00 Like, it's impossible to defend them.
00:45:04 Like, it's impossible.
00:45:06 And vice versa, them defending them.
00:45:08 What are you losing with this and blah, blah, blah?
00:45:09 They are impossible to defend.
00:45:12 Impossible.
00:45:13 And also, on the contrary, John, teams hate to play offense against those two guards, Holiday and White.
00:45:21 Hate it.
00:45:22 They're big, they're physical, they're obviously talented, and they get in the way.
00:45:25 Let me ask you guys this.
00:45:27 Do you think the Bucs are missing Drew Holiday?
00:45:30 They just got 130 dropped in their heads tonight by Toronto, and our guy Schroeder dropped 24 in them tonight.
00:45:37 He's that guy.
00:45:38 He's my guy.
00:45:40 Dennis Schroeder is missing.
00:45:43 Come on, we at least share him.
00:45:45 Jimmy and John.
00:45:46 We do share him.
00:45:47 We do share him.
00:45:48 You can't take him all yourself.
00:45:50 No, no, no, you can have him.
00:45:51 You can have him too.
00:45:52 Our guy, Dennis Schroeder.
00:45:53 Our guy.
00:45:54 24 tonight against the Bucs.
00:45:56 They're missing, I mean, I think missing Holiday is going to come back, and they're going to feel it at certain points.
00:46:02 Yes, Lillard is a scoring machine, but tonight I think--
00:46:04 Lillard nine shots tonight.
00:46:06 Yeah, I don't know.
00:46:07 I didn't watch the game.
00:46:08 I don't know what happened, but you can't tell me that Schroeder scored 24 points if Holiday is in the game.
00:46:13 You just can't.
00:46:14 So I think that what they got and what they get from Lillard is great, but what they lose in losing Holiday is something that--
00:46:22 they're not going to be that defensive stalwart team that we saw them in past years.
00:46:26 Did you guys see that Thanasis compilation that was going around social media?
00:46:31 No.
00:46:32 Oh, my God.
00:46:34 He played more minutes than he ever should.
00:46:37 It was only in a few minutes of action, but he made 12 of the ugliest basketball plays I've ever seen.
00:46:44 I mean, the goofiest shit.
00:46:46 In between losing the ball, bouncing off of it, him just flying past guys on our fakes and then coming back and fouling them is literally the ugliest thing I've ever seen.
00:46:57 I was--
00:46:58 Well, speaking--
00:46:59 I was crying.
00:47:00 Is it like a highlight reel?
00:47:01 Yeah, a highlight.
00:47:03 Well, speaking about flying around, did you mention your old friend, John, who was playing?
00:47:06 Your old friend, John, who was back tonight?
00:47:08 We were going to talk Nesmith, and I think it's fair, right?
00:47:11 I didn't bring him up yet.
00:47:13 We might have a Nesmith sound bite, too, and I'll try to cue that one up because he did talk today.
00:47:19 We didn't, but it was like almost sad, wasn't it?
00:47:23 He didn't start from them, huh?
00:47:24 He didn't start from them?
00:47:25 What's going on with him?
00:47:26 No, he hasn't been.
00:47:27 No, he came out the bench.
00:47:28 I thought he was maybe going to start.
00:47:29 Yeah, he hasn't been.
00:47:30 Let me see if I can load it up.
00:47:32 I mean, wasn't it kind of sad watching Tatum's eyes turn into saucers when Nesmith would be on him?
00:47:39 He'd be like, "Oh, my God."
00:47:40 And Jalen.
00:47:41 He's like, "Which way should I go? Left, right, right, Adam?"
00:47:44 Nesmith was having flashbacks, man, I think, especially with Jalen.
00:47:47 Nesmith was only a -10, which isn't bad when you lose by 40.
00:47:50 I thought he played decent.
00:47:51 Yeah, he was tied for the team leading points at one point.
00:47:54 Honestly, he's fine.
00:47:56 He's better than some people gave him credit for.
00:48:00 I mean, we all gave up on him, let's be fair.
00:48:02 We gave up on him because the Celtics gave up on him.
00:48:06 Yeah, they wouldn't have much of an opportunity.
00:48:08 Looking back on it -
00:48:09 I agree on that one, too, Jimmy.
00:48:10 Between Tatum and Brannon.
00:48:12 Yeah, I mean, Carla talked about it a little bit before the game, but he also said that he's one of their best defenders.
00:48:17 So that's obviously a big reason why he got that contract.
00:48:20 He reinvented himself, and that's fine.
00:48:22 The problem was we were sold a false bill of goods, and so was Danny, for that matter, about the type of shooter that he is.
00:48:29 He's not that guy.
00:48:31 Well, and Richel's like, Grant took his spot, right?
00:48:34 Not that guy, pal.
00:48:36 He's a solid forward.
00:48:38 But then Grant, you know, that season, there was no way you were going to play him over Grant.
00:48:44 So he really didn't have a chance.
00:48:46 Hauser, too, certainly.
00:48:48 And Hauser, too, yeah, that's a good point.
00:48:50 But he fits there in Indiana.
00:48:51 He probably got to be Smith or Hauser, though.
00:48:53 What did he get? Four years, 33 million? Three years, 33 million?
00:48:56 I think this bite, Amit, correct me if I'm wrong here in the chat.
00:49:00 Also, do we have a Nismith lower third?
00:49:01 Correct me if I'm wrong, Amit.
00:49:03 This is about disrespect, this sound bite that we're going to hear now?
00:49:06 Yeah, so there's a tweet when he got traded to the Pacers that was saying the Pacers got like a stick of gum.
00:49:15 They got brogged in for nothing.
00:49:18 This was Nismith, I think, responding to that.
00:49:21 Hold on.
00:49:23 As soon as the trade happened, I saw the tweet and I saved it immediately.
00:49:27 I'm someone that I do take things personally, and I think that helps make me better.
00:49:31 It's what drives me to go to the gym at night.
00:49:34 So seeing that tweet was always on my mind, for sure.
00:49:37 Did you print that out and put it on your fridge or anything?
00:49:39 No, no, I saved it in my favorites.
00:49:41 So sometimes if I'm having a good day or something, I open up the photos and it's in there.
00:49:45 It makes me want to go to the gym.
00:49:48 I think that was kind of a-- was it a rando for that one?
00:49:50 Was that a tweet from someone random?
00:49:53 No, it was a bleacher.
00:49:55 So when you see something like that from a major outlet, does it feel differently than some random fan?
00:50:01 No, yeah, for sure.
00:50:03 Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but when a legitimate source or whatever tweets it, it definitely holds more weight.
00:50:12 I like that.
00:50:14 Whenever-- what was that?
00:50:17 We all know random fans, Jared. They pay your salary, all right?
00:50:21 Some rando.
00:50:22 I know.
00:50:23 Some rando.
00:50:24 Not only that, but like--
00:50:25 Some guy with no checkmark.
00:50:27 Like some organism, Starbucks or something.
00:50:30 Let off the guys.
00:50:31 It's got to be something like a bleacher report for him to keep that.
00:50:34 It's not going to be a random.
00:50:36 Yeah, whenever I'm having a good day, I pull that up and totally get pissed.
00:50:40 Here's the tweet, by the way.
00:50:42 Who prints tweets?
00:50:44 Yeah.
00:50:46 You didn't print it?
00:50:48 Gen Xers?
00:50:49 No, I'm saying you don't print it and put it on your fridge.
00:50:51 No one prints tweets.
00:50:55 Yeah, so that's what inspired his performance.
00:50:58 I didn't even think about that. Yeah, you're right.
00:51:00 You don't print a tweet, guys.
00:51:02 You could.
00:51:03 It's not like he cut something out of the newspaper like it was in the '90s.
00:51:06 No, it's funny.
00:51:08 Yeah, that's our pal.
00:51:11 I'm going to root for him.
00:51:13 Sure.
00:51:14 And Jimmy, you said it.
00:51:16 You gave him a chance.
00:51:18 No, we talked about it towards the end of last show.
00:51:21 We talked about Nisman and the Pacers for a bit.
00:51:23 It's the same thing that you say about Romeo.
00:51:26 I don't think anyone actually thinks that Romeo deserves a chance.
00:51:30 No, but you could only know for sure if he could play.
00:51:35 If you gave him a chance, you left with question marks.
00:51:38 It turns out Nisman is semi-useful and Romeo is useless.
00:51:41 I think the point that Joe Sway and Bobby made was that they had different priorities.
00:51:46 They were trying to win a title,
00:51:48 and developing a player wasn't part of that plan in the midst of that.
00:51:53 2021 you could have, but you didn't know where that season was going when it started.
00:51:58 Right.
00:51:59 And listen, we can all go back and say, "Oh, should they have done it?
00:52:04 Shouldn't they have done it?"
00:52:05 Nobody was upset when they made that trade.
00:52:07 And again, Malcolm Brogdon, yeah, the Celtics didn't win a title last year,
00:52:11 but he was the sixth man of the year.
00:52:13 He was a slam dunk.
00:52:14 Everyone forgets that, I feel like.
00:52:16 He was great on this team and didn't end well.
00:52:18 And obviously it got awkward, and they traded him,
00:52:21 and they got holland because of it, so everyone's happy about that.
00:52:24 But let's not act like the trade blew up in the Celtics' faces.
00:52:27 It ended up being instrumental to as far as they went.
00:52:31 They probably don't go as far as they go last year without making that trade
00:52:35 because there were a lot of games where Brogdon came in,
00:52:38 and we said it, the best point guard on the team.
00:52:41 So, you know, it was a trade that had to be done,
00:52:46 and I think both sides benefited from it.
00:52:48 And obviously, Nesmith has a much bigger role there, and he's going to.
00:52:54 He still wouldn't have a big role on this team.
00:52:57 You've got starters that don't necessarily have a big role.
00:53:00 I mean, not big role, but I'm saying it's like this team right now is just,
00:53:04 you know, you can absolutely benefit from a guy like Nesmith
00:53:07 if he was still around right now.
00:53:09 Yeah, on a bench role, for sure.
00:53:11 He'd be first on the bench.
00:53:12 You actually wish you had a Nesmith.
00:53:14 Like right now, Nesmith at this point in his career would be outstanding
00:53:17 as a person to come off the bench for this team.
00:53:20 But sadly, you don't have any of those guys yet,
00:53:22 so you've got to figure out which of them kind of is going to do it.
00:53:25 You've got Hauser.
00:53:26 So you're going to have to hope he plays consistently.
00:53:29 You've got Stevens.
00:53:30 You've got O'Shea.
00:53:31 One of those guys has to play.
00:53:33 Right now it seems like it's going to be Hauser more often than not,
00:53:36 and maybe that changes over time, but they're not just going to,
00:53:39 as they used to do with Nesmith, John, pull him out of there
00:53:42 the second he starts one of four, you know, or has a bad game,
00:53:45 which he did last game, and tonight he comes out and was awesome.
00:53:49 So they really believe in him, obviously.
00:53:51 The center thing is another conversation right now.
00:53:54 They were playing around with Lamar Stevens and O'Shea at the five.
00:53:58 John has a crush on Lamar Stevens, I think.
00:54:00 I kind of like Lamar.
00:54:01 So he told me during camp he could play a little five,
00:54:04 which would be interesting.
00:54:05 He's small.
00:54:06 It would be tough.
00:54:07 But in a matchup like this, it worked down the stretch there.
00:54:10 So I don't know.
00:54:11 They're kind of stuck, John.
00:54:13 Cornette's not playing well.
00:54:14 Kate is hurt.
00:54:17 And your next guy up is Stevens.
00:54:21 Your sentence was one word too long.
00:54:24 [Laughter]
00:54:28 What are you going to do next Saturday when Horford's out?
00:54:31 You're going to go -- you'll probably squeeze --
00:54:34 You're going to find 11 minutes.
00:54:36 You're going to see that Syracuse product out there playing extended minutes.
00:54:40 You'll play small ball lineups depending on, you know, who's on the floor,
00:54:43 and you'll squeeze in some Cornette minutes I think as well.
00:54:47 You know, and I think that's where, you know,
00:54:49 having a seven-footer has some use there.
00:54:52 And I said, Bobby, I mean, we joked about it,
00:54:54 but one of my bold predictions is in games where everybody's healthy,
00:54:58 Cornette doesn't have a role.
00:55:00 And I don't think he will.
00:55:02 I think he's outside of the eight or nine.
00:55:04 So I think he only plays in those games where they load manage a big.
00:55:08 Damn, John, you're saying he's outside the circle of trust?
00:55:10 He is.
00:55:11 No, I don't think they don't.
00:55:13 They're so good.
00:55:14 You're just not going to need those minutes because now that you're committed
00:55:18 to more single big lineups for a lot, you know, you just don't need it.
00:55:23 You know, with this team, because they're so freaking good.
00:55:27 The top six is so good that you just don't need it, you know?
00:55:32 Yeah.
00:55:33 Yeah, Carlisle saying how tough it is to crack this rotation.
00:55:36 He had nothing but great things to say about his favorite set.
00:55:40 Has he envisioned him taking down that seventh or eighth spot?
00:55:44 Who said that?
00:55:45 Rick Carlisle before the game.
00:55:47 Oh, okay.
00:55:48 Yeah.
00:55:49 Carlisle.
00:55:50 Singing O'Shea's praises.
00:55:52 Normally at this point in the show, I've received at least 40 or 50
00:55:57 complaints about not talking enough about Jalen.
00:55:59 Are we supposed to talk about Jalen tonight?
00:56:01 Or is he not good after a 16-point game?
00:56:04 I talked about him on my solo show.
00:56:07 I mentioned him.
00:56:08 You missed.
00:56:09 Bring him up again if you'd like.
00:56:11 No, no, no.
00:56:13 It's not.
00:56:14 That's the pointless thing here is every night somebody new is going to go
00:56:18 bananas or--
00:56:19 And someone new is going to have to take the lesser end of the scoring.
00:56:23 Was Derek White bad?
00:56:25 For all of the John Skip the Show because Jalen had 36.
00:56:28 I want to make sure.
00:56:30 Did everybody say that Derek White was bad last game because he only had
00:56:35 five?
00:56:36 If we're reacting to one game, Derek White's bad then, right?
00:56:40 No.
00:56:41 Every night is going to be a different guy.
00:56:43 Every night is going to be a different guy.
00:56:45 Tonight he was Porzingis.
00:56:46 I think you had Holly.
00:56:47 Yeah, tonight was Porzingis.
00:56:50 Holly got nine shots.
00:56:52 Porzingis took seven.
00:56:53 Yeah, it's just nice where some guys just aren't going to get opportunities
00:56:57 because the ball went in a different direction.
00:57:00 He was still up there.
00:57:02 This is what I said earlier.
00:57:03 They all are.
00:57:04 Every one of them.
00:57:05 They were all impactful.
00:57:06 Brown only had six points.
00:57:08 He was three of four with a steal and an assist and a block in the first
00:57:12 quarter.
00:57:13 He didn't need to take ten shots in the first quarter.
00:57:15 Defense is just other.
00:57:17 Every time he contests a shot, the guy misses.
00:57:20 Brown?
00:57:21 No, Porzingis.
00:57:22 Yeah, because he's seven four.
00:57:25 It is something.
00:57:27 Sprite.
00:57:29 He's getting your face very quickly too.
00:57:31 But everything was contested.
00:57:33 It was tough.
00:57:35 They're trying hard on that end and I love it.
00:57:38 They're bringing back that side of the ball.
00:57:40 No, what I said earlier when everyone's internet died and I was staring off
00:57:44 into the abyss is that you look at Jaylen Brown's last two games and the
00:57:49 fact that he goes from shooting 13 three-pointers two games ago to shooting
00:57:53 one tonight, that to me speaks volumes about understanding the moment and
00:58:00 understanding what you're needed to do in a given game and being able to adapt
00:58:04 and adjust what's needed.
00:58:06 Again, going into the beginning of the year, they had a lot of former Celtics
00:58:09 coming in.
00:58:10 I imagine the message was putting the team first.
00:58:15 Joe Sway will remember and John, you will.
00:58:17 Ubuntu, Bobby, I don't know if you remember Ubuntu.
00:58:20 I watched the documentary.
00:58:22 Okay, so you watched the documentary.
00:58:24 I haven't heard that saying yet, but I imagine maybe Pierce or Rondo could
00:58:28 have mentioned it or maybe Kassel has spread that message.
00:58:32 It's sacrifice this time.
00:58:34 Yeah, it's sacrifice.
00:58:35 It's putting your brothers before you and understanding what the common goal
00:58:38 is and that means what we talked about, taking seven shots like Porzingis did
00:58:43 tonight.
00:58:44 He's going to have a game where he takes 17 or 25.
00:58:48 When you win by 50 points, you shouldn't care about how many points you had or
00:58:54 how many minutes you played.
00:58:56 Ubuntu, I am what I am because of what we all are.
00:58:59 That's kind of the point.
00:59:01 It doesn't really matter.
00:59:03 I'm only great if we're great.
00:59:08 That was the philosophy behind it.
00:59:10 I know it was a tad overplayed, but they legit exemplified it in every--
00:59:15 that '08 team, in every facet of everything that they did.
00:59:18 I point to it all the time as a parallel to this team.
00:59:22 Again, just look at the individual sacrifice of where all of those players
00:59:27 went, both in terms of the style of basketball that they were accustomed to
00:59:30 playing, the amount of shots that they took, their usage, how much they had the
00:59:34 ball in their hands the year before that year when they were all the alpha,
00:59:38 alpha, alpha on their teams, and what they did to coexist in one year.
00:59:42 It really was remarkable how quick that came together.
00:59:45 Usually those big threes or those teams that kind of crash together out of
00:59:49 nowhere, it's like, "It might take them a year or so to figure stuff out."
00:59:52 How many times did we see it now?
00:59:54 They were clicking like that, like instantly.
00:59:56 It was unreal.
00:59:58 Right now, four games in, how much of an improvement do you see game over game
01:00:02 just in terms of how they're playing off each other and how it's flowing?
01:00:05 It does feel contagious, right?
01:00:07 Because all of a sudden, if you're not thinking, "Well, I get a score," or,
01:00:10 "I get to get mine," and you're just like, "I guess we're just going to kick
01:00:13 the shit out of this other team," it just kind of takes the pressure off.
01:00:17 You're just like, "All right, it goes here, it goes there, and I do this,
01:00:19 and I do that, and it'll eventually come back around, and I don't have to worry
01:00:23 about it," and it's just a different style of playing.
01:00:26 It just puts the egos away, similar vibe as the '08 team.
01:00:30 Real quick, I have to say this because we're talking about Ubuntu.
01:00:33 The very first article I ever had published in a newspaper was in the
01:00:37 Lowell Sun, and it was about Ubuntu and what it meant.
01:00:41 But for whatever reason, they didn't put my name in the article.
01:00:45 Because it's about the team, Jimmy.
01:00:47 It had a picture of me, but it said guest columnist.
01:00:52 You just had to recognize you.
01:00:54 Yeah, I couldn't believe they didn't put my name in there, but that was the
01:00:56 very first time it was published because of an article about Ubuntu.
01:00:59 You could probably find it online.
01:01:00 Again, was that intentional?
01:01:01 Lowell Sun.
01:01:03 No, better not have been.
01:01:04 They didn't pay me for it, but they could have at least put my name on it.
01:01:07 You didn't believe in what you were writing then.
01:01:09 That's what you wanted.
01:01:10 Hell no.
01:01:11 I wasn't on the team.
01:01:12 I was just writing about it.
01:01:13 I didn't believe in that shit.
01:01:14 John, I think you probably--
01:01:15 I could see an '18 or '19, what you'd be like, "What the fuck?"
01:01:18 So mad.
01:01:20 What's that, Jimmy?
01:01:21 It's not my bullshit.
01:01:22 I was over here when Jimmy said it, but this felt like one of those--
01:01:24 and I haven't--it's been a million comparisons to that team,
01:01:28 but being up 50 in this game and Geno playing and the way they did it,
01:01:34 it did feel like one of those nights from back in that era.
01:01:37 It really did.
01:01:38 I mean, just taking care of business methodically,
01:01:40 being a million times better than this other team.
01:01:42 This team's probably better.
01:01:45 It really is.
01:01:46 Just talent alone.
01:01:48 No.
01:01:49 Because they're younger and they're in their primes.
01:01:51 I'm not saying that.
01:01:52 I mean, those guys were prime.
01:01:54 They probably have a better starting lineup.
01:01:57 It's a starting lineup.
01:01:58 It's because Perk and Rondo were not--Perk was Perk.
01:02:02 They were old guys.
01:02:03 And Rondo was still not Rondo, not the Rondo that he became.
01:02:07 He wasn't fully developed yet.
01:02:10 He was a concern entering the--you were like, "Ah."
01:02:14 It was--I mean, you talk--
01:02:17 He didn't have to score.
01:02:18 He didn't have to--not question marks.
01:02:20 Guys who filled their roles in the starting lineup.
01:02:23 Here you've got stars in the starting lineup.
01:02:25 You know what I mean?
01:02:26 So you still had two question marks on that team in the starting lineup.
01:02:29 And, again, there's so much more talent in the NBA now,
01:02:32 even 15 years later.
01:02:34 But then the bench was all just role players.
01:02:36 Eddie House was--Prichard or Hauser or whatever.
01:02:38 They had a great bench.
01:02:39 Posey.
01:02:40 Posey, Poe.
01:02:41 They all just played roles.
01:02:42 Whoa.
01:02:43 I don't know what you could put Prichard as.
01:02:45 I'm not saying that.
01:02:46 No, I know.
01:02:47 But, like, I see what you're saying, though.
01:02:49 You had those two, three guys that you could always rely on.
01:02:51 James Posey, Eddie House.
01:02:54 I think that's what--
01:02:55 House was great.
01:02:56 That's what you envisioned for this team to figure out who those guys are.
01:02:59 I mean, House is clearly one of them off the bench.
01:03:01 Cornette was Pollard.
01:03:03 Cornette is Pollard.
01:03:04 Cornette might be Pollard.
01:03:05 [Laughter]
01:03:07 Who was on one of the Survivor--what was it?
01:03:11 '18 or 2019?
01:03:13 He was on Survivor, a TV show.
01:03:15 Yeah.
01:03:16 He was Cornette.
01:03:17 Scal?
01:03:18 That I believe.
01:03:19 Could be.
01:03:20 Scal was actually going to be Pollard.
01:03:21 Yeah, so that's why he can't be Scal.
01:03:24 Nah, Scal's like Sphee or something.
01:03:26 Yeah.
01:03:28 Scal--
01:03:29 Scal, yeah.
01:03:30 Scal played 10 minutes a game.
01:03:32 Well, yeah.
01:03:33 Scal had a role.
01:03:35 He had a legendary press conference.
01:03:38 There was Scal and then there was, like, 20 other guys.
01:03:40 He did have a legendary press conference.
01:03:42 Two other guys do.
01:03:43 It's the quickest anybody's gotten as drunk as Scal was in history.
01:03:48 Oh, crap.
01:03:49 It was, like, 15 minutes after the game and he was legless.
01:03:52 Were you drinking during the fourth quarter?
01:03:55 You were just trashing the media, right?
01:03:56 No, he got up there and he was, like--
01:03:58 He went after all the media.
01:03:59 He was, like, "You guys said we weren't going to win."
01:04:00 Yeah, well, he said the "Waymama" thing.
01:04:02 No, he stumbled to the podium because there was a gap in the people who'd spoken.
01:04:08 He's, like, "Screw it.
01:04:09 I'm going."
01:04:10 He's, like, "Yeah, it's me."
01:04:12 He's, like, "What do you want?"
01:04:13 And he started talking.
01:04:14 He's, like, "So what?"
01:04:15 He's, like, "Five years from now, no one's going to know how much I played in 10 years.
01:04:21 Hey, I might be able to tell people I had 10 points and 20 years from now, hey, I was
01:04:26 a series MVP and what do you think about that?"
01:04:28 And he was just, like, just slurring and just goofy and everyone was, like, "All right,
01:04:33 that was the Scal presser."
01:04:35 Yeah, we're all just waiting for Gene Key.
01:04:36 He wasn't supposed to do a presser.
01:04:38 He just saw the space and just walked up to it.
01:04:40 He's, like, "All right, Scal time."
01:04:42 I thought all the players went up on the F4 Finals.
01:04:45 But he was hammered.
01:04:46 Yeah.
01:04:47 That's funny.
01:04:48 I didn't know he just went up there.
01:04:49 Yeah, he just went up on it.
01:04:50 So he didn't play.
01:04:51 He didn't play the whole time.
01:04:52 Here we go, as you requested.
01:04:53 Yeah.
01:04:54 Yeah.
01:04:55 Yeah.
01:04:56 Any questions for Scal?
01:04:57 You already have a question.
01:04:58 Oh, man.
01:04:59 Oh, we're off to New York.
01:05:00 Oh, yeah.
01:05:01 So what do you guys got?
01:05:02 You're off to Brooklyn?
01:05:03 I think Ben Simmons can guard Porzingis.
01:05:04 I think Ben Simmons can guard people.
01:05:05 What's Simmons been doing?
01:05:06 He's been okay.
01:05:07 You know, it's 10-10-10 pretty much.
01:05:08 Back to who he was, but still the same limitations.
01:05:09 Back to who he was.
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01:07:20 14 points in 25 minutes.
01:07:21 Robert Williams, 19 minutes, 6 points, 3 blocks, a very Rob line, 8 rebounds, very Rob-ish.
01:07:30 Marcus Smart, very Marcus Smart-y today.
01:07:34 For those people who were checking out the box scores and be like, "Uh-oh, Marcus is
01:07:38 scoring 25."
01:07:39 4 of 11 from the field, 1 of 7 from 3, 11 points, 6 assists, 4 steals, 5 turnovers.
01:07:48 Welcome to the party.
01:07:50 That is literally Marcus Smart.
01:07:51 Welcome to the Marcus Smart experience.
01:07:52 I'm glad Memphis finally got an actual taste instead of this 25-point Marcus Smart version
01:07:58 they were getting before.
01:07:59 I'll tell you what, we're texting you guys about it.
01:08:03 The Memphis situation- They're about to be what, 0-5?
01:08:07 Seems like it's only going to get worse.
01:08:09 Even when they get back to full strength here, I just feel like there's something going on
01:08:15 with that team.
01:08:18 That's my take.
01:08:19 Morant is a wild card, and not in a good way.
01:08:25 I'm concerned.
01:08:26 If I'm a Grizzlies fan, I'm very concerned.
01:08:28 Obviously, you should be 0-5, you said, but they're 0-5 now, Bobby?
01:08:31 They're absolutely ravaged by injuries.
01:08:33 No Brandon Clark, Steven Adams is out for the year.
01:08:38 They need to at least hold down the fort somewhat.
01:08:41 Those guys are missing the year.
01:08:44 Morant's not missing the year.
01:08:46 Most of it, though.
01:08:48 He's out for now.
01:08:51 They're probably in trouble either way.
01:08:52 The point is, if I'm Marcus Smart, I'm not loving my situation over there.
01:08:57 I'm just not.
01:08:58 You put on a happy face, and then you wait, but by the time Jock comes back, the season's
01:09:05 over.
01:09:06 Not necessarily over, but they're going to be in a bad, bad spot at this point.
01:09:11 At the rate they're going.
01:09:12 10-12 games under .500, the way they're going.
01:09:13 Yeah, and then he's going to have to work his way back in and start seeing how the playoffs
01:09:18 roll.
01:09:19 We're going to close it with controversial Halloween candy takes.
01:09:22 Wait a second, we've got to talk about Harden for two seconds.
01:09:24 Oh, you want to talk Harden?
01:09:26 We did Candy two days ago, John.
01:09:29 Oh, you did it?
01:09:30 We'll redo it.
01:09:31 No, it's fine.
01:09:32 I want to get John's opinion.
01:09:33 It's my fault.
01:09:34 John's a candy guy.
01:09:35 I mean, come on.
01:09:36 I'm sick of it.
01:09:37 I want everyone's Harden's team.
01:09:38 I'm sick of it.
01:09:39 I want everyone's Harden's team.
01:09:40 We did Candy the last episode, John.
01:09:42 Are Sixers just out of it now?
01:09:46 The team's shaky looking.
01:09:48 Celtics are going to play them twice over the next couple of weeks.
01:09:53 For now, they are.
01:09:54 I mean, we'll see what they do, but it's not good enough.
01:09:56 It's not even a home court team right now.
01:09:58 No, but you can't waste-
01:10:00 A non-threat.
01:10:02 There's no threats to the Celtics, but they're clearly not one.
01:10:05 Well, Milwaukee's still a threat, but-
01:10:08 And Bean is a challenge for poor Zengis.
01:10:10 I'll say that.
01:10:11 But here's the thing I want to ask.
01:10:12 Embiid's a challenge for everyone, Bobby.
01:10:15 Yeah, but particularly poor Zengis.
01:10:17 I know, but the entire Celtics team is a challenge for every other player on Philadelphia.
01:10:21 But isn't that why they have Al Horford, Bobby?
01:10:24 Yeah, that's the one advantage they have.
01:10:25 Well, we'll see.
01:10:26 Is that the game you start them?
01:10:27 No.
01:10:28 So, you're not going to have them out there.
01:10:31 Maybe.
01:10:32 I'm going to say maybe.
01:10:33 But are the Sixers really going to waste-
01:10:34 Is it possible you go double big in that series?
01:10:35 Yeah, go ahead, Jimmy.
01:10:36 What's your reaction?
01:10:37 Are they really going to waste a year of Embiid with this roster?
01:10:41 It can't be done, right?
01:10:42 No.
01:10:43 They're going to get aggressive.
01:10:44 Keep hearing the Bean.
01:10:45 Is he enough?
01:10:46 I don't know.
01:10:47 I don't know if he's enough.
01:10:48 I don't know.
01:10:49 It's a downgrade from Harden.
01:10:50 No, he's not a downgrade from Harden because Harden's slipping and Harden is inconsistent.
01:10:51 Harden's trapped.
01:10:52 No, I'm not there to last year.
01:10:53 Harden was good for Embiid.
01:10:54 Yeah.
01:10:55 The on/off numbers when those two played together, Embiid's overall efficiency and his numbers-
01:10:56 I mean, no.
01:10:57 I'm not there to last year.
01:10:58 I'm not there to last year.
01:10:59 I'm not there to last year.
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01:11:53 I'm not there to last year.
01:11:54 I'm going to say this about James Harden.
01:11:56 Oh, Maxie has been good.
01:11:58 That's a good point.
01:11:59 He's been amazing.
01:12:00 As soon as James Harden leaves the NBA, the NBA will be better league.
01:12:06 I don't know anyone who is a James Harden fan anymore.
01:12:10 And if you're an NBA fan, you're trying to defend the NBA to people who aren't against guys like James Harden.
01:12:19 The casual NBA fans or non-NBA fans hate the NBA exactly for the reasons like James Harden.
01:12:26 Because he picks and chooses when he wants to play.
01:12:29 He forces his way out of teams.
01:12:32 He's a bad apple, it seems like, in the locker room.
01:12:35 And I can't imagine there's a single fan.
01:12:38 Who is a James Harden fan at this point?
01:12:41 You're just giving ammunition to the Knicks of the world with guys like James Harden.
01:12:45 He's alienated all his fan bases.
01:12:47 He's spoiled NBA players.
01:12:49 I mean, the guy had the MVP.
01:12:52 And they had to sell things against the ropes.
01:12:54 He had a chance to get to the Eastern Conference Finals.
01:12:56 I just don't understand the whole, like, okay, you want to be traded and then you just check out completely.
01:13:01 So, yeah, I'm with you, Jimmy.
01:13:02 I mean, he's the example of why people hate the NBA and the way it's run.
01:13:07 He's bad for the league now.
01:13:09 Player Empowerment and all that.
01:13:10 He's the prime example.
01:13:11 I never enjoyed anything about it because I didn't like it.
01:13:15 It would at least be fun to watch to some extent.
01:13:17 I hated watching him play because he was a cheat code.
01:13:19 He drew fouls.
01:13:20 Yeah, but he was fun to watch in the sense of when the team was competitive, you were wondering if it could go wrong.
01:13:24 The year with Houston.
01:13:27 They had, you know, the Warriors.
01:13:28 Houston loved him.
01:13:29 They did.
01:13:30 Of course.
01:13:31 That might be where he has to finish his career because I don't understand.
01:13:35 He may not have that.
01:13:37 I don't think so.
01:13:38 What I struggle to understand with a guy like Harden is, and maybe it doesn't matter, but like, you know, Durant for so many years fought like legacy and like what people think of him, you know, instead of just, you know, doing whatever.
01:13:55 But like it was on his mind.
01:13:57 How is he going to be perceived?
01:14:00 Like, does Harden not care at all that the only thing people will remember about him is this?
01:14:05 Like, no one's going to be like, oh, remember a couple years he had like 35 points and he was unstoppable.
01:14:10 Like, yeah, sure.
01:14:11 It'll be talked about.
01:14:12 But his legacy is this guy who forced a trade out of every single organization, showed up in fat suits, quit on teams.
01:14:19 Everywhere he went, he was unhappy.
01:14:21 Like, this is what people remember.
01:14:23 This is the final act, and it's been going on for four or five years now.
01:14:28 It's so sad.
01:14:29 So I don't know.
01:14:31 I don't care.
01:14:32 I would agree when we don't have to like deal with it anymore.
01:14:35 And it's also sad to like, you know, make demands, you know, at this point.
01:14:40 It's just but Jimmy's right.
01:14:42 Like once he's not around, great.
01:14:44 You know, it's going to be better.
01:14:46 Some people like you don't like some, you know, athletes you don't like to see go.
01:14:50 I will show him.
01:14:52 Anyone would show him the door at this point.
01:14:55 He's just he's just beyond.
01:14:58 He's kind of miserable, to be completely honest.
01:15:00 It doesn't seem like if I'm a Clipper player, I'm like kind of wondering what's what's next with this.
01:15:08 It's such a team.
01:15:10 He changes kind of everything.
01:15:12 It's such a team that built by players that's built by players.
01:15:16 Wasn't it startling?
01:15:18 He left Brooklyn to go back to that, too.
01:15:20 I mean, what a situation he was in there.
01:15:22 Yeah.
01:15:24 I mean, even better than this one, you could argue.
01:15:27 Yeah, we should wrap.
01:15:29 You've already had the candy convo, so we don't have to have it again.
01:15:32 No, give us your take.
01:15:34 What's your what's your we said?
01:15:36 We basically were talking about best and worst Halloween candies that you could get.
01:15:40 You know, we mentioned that the Necco's is worse than what else?
01:15:43 Yeah, but what's your what's what's your what's the thing you like that nobody likes?
01:15:47 The thing I like that nobody likes.
01:15:49 I don't know.
01:15:50 I had an interesting one.
01:15:51 I don't know.
01:15:52 I know I'm it loves yellow Laffy Taffy, banana Laffy Taffy.
01:15:56 That is a weird one.
01:15:57 Yeah, right.
01:15:58 That's easily the worst flavor of the Laffy Taffy.
01:16:01 Yeah, I have my taste is pretty good, so I like a lot of the stuff that is good stuff.
01:16:06 Good candy.
01:16:07 I eat that no one eats.
01:16:08 It's not my favorite, but the one that I always pick off that nobody wants is the Whoppers.
01:16:12 I hate Whoppers.
01:16:13 Whoppers aren't bad.
01:16:14 I hate a Whopper a lot.
01:16:15 You know why?
01:16:16 Because they're like melty.
01:16:17 So you just put it in, you bite it and you just like let it dissolve.
01:16:21 I kind of like that.
01:16:23 Oh, you don't crunch?
01:16:24 I'm most underrated.
01:16:28 I feel like the most underrated candy is 100 Grand Bar right there.
01:16:30 Oh my God.
01:16:31 I didn't see you put that up there.
01:16:33 The most underrated by far.
01:16:35 My daughter.
01:16:36 My daughters are so well trained.
01:16:38 They go get me these and these.
01:16:40 Oh, that's a good one.
01:16:42 I forgot about Almond Joy.
01:16:43 That's a good one.
01:16:44 Almond Joy is a boomer bar.
01:16:46 Nobody under 40 eats Almond Joy.
01:16:50 I want coconut in everything now.
01:16:53 That's actually my dad's favorite candy.
01:16:56 Shout out to my dad.
01:16:57 Almond Joy is trash.
01:16:59 Mounds, Almond Joy is trash.
01:17:01 I get those from my dad all the time.
01:17:03 My daughters hunt for these and they're so well trained.
01:17:07 Those are legit.
01:17:08 What makes that great though?
01:17:10 Is it the nougat?
01:17:11 There's something in there I feel like just binds it all together.
01:17:13 Caramel and like crunchy.
01:17:15 Chocolate and caramel is just like a elite combo.
01:17:18 It's like you stuffed a Nestle Crunch bar with caramel.
01:17:21 It's like an airy crisp with it.
01:17:25 That's a great way to describe it.
01:17:27 Milky Way Midnights.
01:17:30 That's something that you see once in a while in a bag.
01:17:32 I like the dark chocolate.
01:17:34 The dark chocolate?
01:17:35 Okay.
01:17:36 The Milky Way Midnight.
01:17:37 I don't understand.
01:17:38 I've never quite gotten – I don't mind them,
01:17:41 but they're so artificially gross, like all the Laffy Taffys.
01:17:45 I hate them.
01:17:46 I'm not crazy about them.
01:17:48 I would dodge all candy-based ones and just focus on the chocolate.
01:17:52 Just on the chocolate.
01:17:53 Unless there's little Sour Patch Kids, which I can avoid.
01:17:56 I'm big on that.
01:17:57 You know what, John?
01:17:58 I mentioned how – gummy bears.
01:18:00 I love gummy bears, but that's not at all what we're doing.
01:18:02 I bought them.
01:18:04 A rebuild of gummy bears for the kids.
01:18:05 Yes.
01:18:06 You know what?
01:18:07 I love that.
01:18:08 Kids love – because I was telling these guys last show,
01:18:13 our house gave out the big stuff, like the big size.
01:18:17 Full bars.
01:18:18 There was a line down the street.
01:18:20 Would you say you had a canteen?
01:18:22 No, a vending machine company.
01:18:23 Vending machine company.
01:18:24 So we would rate it, and then we would bring it all back.
01:18:28 But kids love – if you give a kid a choice of something sour
01:18:32 or something chocolatey, they're always going sour.
01:18:34 Sour Patch Kids, Sour Punch Straws, Swedish Fish, anything sour or gummy.
01:18:41 Kids, I'm talking like 15, young kids, younger, like 10, 9, 8, whatever,
01:18:48 super sour stuff.
01:18:50 Not taking over the U.S.A. chocolate.
01:18:52 I like the ones.
01:18:53 Spree's.
01:18:54 I liked chocolate then too, but I love the sour stuff.
01:18:56 That's a legit drug for me.
01:18:58 Me too.
01:18:59 If I have one Sour Patch Kid, I will have 700 Sour Patch Kids.
01:19:02 I can't have one.
01:19:04 And then your tongue hurts.
01:19:05 You like Warheads?
01:19:06 I like the Lemonheads and the Alexander the Grapes,
01:19:09 those old ones that were like old school candies that are like crunchy sour too.
01:19:13 Lemonheads.
01:19:14 Yeah.
01:19:15 John likes the bottle pops that you bite off the wax
01:19:18 and you like squeeze out the juice.
01:19:20 There used to be something called Fun Dip.
01:19:22 Did you guys ever have that?
01:19:23 Oh, yeah.
01:19:24 Yes.
01:19:25 It's like a candy stick that you dip in sugar and then eat the sugar.
01:19:29 That's literally just sugar.
01:19:30 My mom hated it.
01:19:31 It's just like a bag of diabetes is what it is.
01:19:34 It really is.
01:19:36 Pixie Stix, it was just before you.
01:19:38 [Crosstalk]
01:19:44 If the world were invented today but we were born with the knowledge of how bad sugar is,
01:19:48 not a single one of those things would ever have been invented.
01:19:51 It's insane that we went through our lives with that.
01:19:54 I forgot about those.
01:19:55 They must be banned now.
01:19:57 It's boomers, man.
01:19:58 [Crosstalk]
01:20:04 You slid all your candy bars and all that, just pure sugar.
01:20:08 The candy company was like, "Wait, why don't we just package the sugar?
01:20:12 We don't even need to make anything out of this.
01:20:14 Let's just package it and save all the money.
01:20:17 You don't need any other ingredient."
01:20:18 Put some color in there.
01:20:19 Yeah.
01:20:20 Yeah, yeah.
01:20:21 The sugar should be flavored so kids will love it.
01:20:23 It's literally just give them a bag of actual frigging sugar.
01:20:27 That's it.
01:20:28 I think Joe Space said he liked candy corn which was a wild one.
01:20:32 Did you say that?
01:20:33 I don't get into those.
01:20:34 That's garbage.
01:20:35 I don't even talk to those people.
01:20:37 I mean it's not like it's my favorite, but, yeah, I'll have some candy corn.
01:20:40 I won't even look at candy corn.
01:20:42 I won't sniff it.
01:20:43 Wasn't Jess Moran was the only person on the planet that liked those orange peanuts?
01:20:47 Oh, yeah.
01:20:48 Oh, my God.
01:20:49 Did she?
01:20:50 Yeah.
01:20:51 She probably didn't want that news out there.
01:20:52 No, she would.
01:20:54 That's embarrassing to like that.
01:20:56 I feel like I liked this when I was seven.
01:21:00 Those are like the marshmallowy weird peanuts or whatever they were.
01:21:04 Some people give out like real peanuts, like circus peanuts, which is a weird one.
01:21:11 Got some weird stuff.
01:21:12 That's what it was.
01:21:13 Yeah, anyway.
01:21:14 Yeah, circus peanuts is what it was called.
01:21:15 That's what the candy was called, but they were fake.
01:21:17 Oh, okay.
01:21:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:21:19 I love this.
01:21:20 This is my favorite comment.
01:21:21 Nougat is whack.
01:21:22 Nobody knows what nougat is.
01:21:23 Nougat isn't whack.
01:21:24 Nougat goes hand in hand with like milk and...
01:21:27 Describe nougat.
01:21:28 Go.
01:21:29 Nougat is like...
01:21:30 Three Musketeers is nougat, right?
01:21:31 What is it?
01:21:32 Describe it.
01:21:33 Describe nougat to a person.
01:21:34 Foam.
01:21:35 I guess.
01:21:36 Chocolate foam or something.
01:21:37 Yeah, it is like...
01:21:38 Am I thinking of the right thing?
01:21:39 Nougat.
01:21:40 It's the Three Musketeers.
01:21:41 Isn't that nougat in it?
01:21:42 Nougat is whack.
01:21:43 Chocolate and nougat?
01:21:44 I never even heard of that one.
01:21:45 Three Musketeers.
01:21:46 Nougat is what goes in things, and you're like, "What is that?"
01:21:47 You're like, "It's nougat, dude."
01:21:48 You haven't heard of a Three Musketeers bar?
01:21:49 It's like whipped chocolate.
01:21:50 Mars has nougat.
01:21:51 Yeah, it's not caramel.
01:21:52 It's not fudge.
01:21:58 It's some kind of hybrid.
01:21:59 It's this white goo, and they call it nougat, but it's not a real...
01:22:02 It's not a naturally occurring substance in the world.
01:22:05 It's just a bunch of chemicals that are white, and they called it nougat.
01:22:08 It's extremely processed.
01:22:09 Yeah.
01:22:10 Picture every chemical that you can imagine.
01:22:13 The commercials always made it sound amazing.
01:22:15 Oh, my God, it's got nougat?
01:22:17 None of us knew what it was.
01:22:19 Yeah, the writers knew what they were doing.
01:22:20 Make sure you mention that nougat.
01:22:22 Yeah, yeah, that stuff.
01:22:25 Okay.
01:22:26 Jimmy, you just reacted so strongly, too.
01:22:30 I just Googled it, and that's what came up.
01:22:32 Here you go.
01:22:33 It's nougat.
01:22:34 Yeah, and we still don't know what it is.
01:22:40 We're looking at pictures.
01:22:42 So, why did you defend it so badly?
01:22:44 Dude, nougat's not whack.
01:22:47 It's not whack.
01:22:48 I mean, it tastes fine.
01:22:50 But you can't even describe what it is.
01:22:52 Oh, there's a lot of stuff that I like that I can't describe.
01:22:55 I mean, that's just because I'm an idiot, I guess.
01:22:59 But, yeah.
01:23:00 I mean, describe Pop Rocks.
01:23:02 Go ahead and describe Pop Rocks.
01:23:06 I mean, every kid, every kid, like, every kid I know had Pop Rocks in the soda contraption and all that stuff.
01:23:13 Some people gave out soda at Halloween on my street.
01:23:19 You go around, you get a cup of your, like, sugar.
01:23:22 Why can't you have Big League chew?
01:23:25 I actually have to swallow downstairs right now.
01:23:29 Because I swallow it.
01:23:31 Because I can't chew it.
01:23:32 It's so good, I have to swallow it.
01:23:34 Yeah, that's a problem.
01:23:36 It loses flavor after, like, 20 seconds.
01:23:38 It's so luscious and juicy, it's impossible to not swallow.
01:23:41 Is it just a myth that you're not supposed to swallow gum?
01:23:44 Or is that just something that, like, that just --
01:23:48 Like, I'm sure if you swallow gum, you'll be fine.
01:23:52 Right, guys?
01:23:54 I swallowed so much gum, I have no idea.
01:23:56 Okay, so then you won't be fine.
01:23:58 Oh, so it's just a gum thing with you then?
01:24:00 Oh, okay.
01:24:01 I thought it was just Big League chew.
01:24:03 That was the only one that you --
01:24:04 John's incapable of chewing gum.
01:24:07 He needs to eat the gum, apparently.
01:24:09 Bottom tier --
01:24:11 So the one thing I just want to make sure everybody knows.
01:24:14 The bottom tier popular candy, which I avoid --
01:24:21 I will not serve this to children because it's not fair,
01:24:26 is the Three Musketeers.
01:24:28 Literally no one wants Three Musketeers.
01:24:30 It's 100% nougat.
01:24:31 Time out, dude.
01:24:33 I disagree.
01:24:34 It's not the best, but it's not the worst.
01:24:36 It's the worst of the big ones.
01:24:39 I actually had a friend that loved it.
01:24:41 It's the worst popular one by far.
01:24:42 One of my neighbors growing up.
01:24:43 It's probably the worst popular one.
01:24:44 That was her favorite one.
01:24:45 You've got the Snickers, the Milky Ways, the Reese's.
01:24:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:24:49 Those murder it.
01:24:50 And the Three Musketeers somehow jumped into that circle.
01:24:51 Like, no thank --
01:24:52 Three Musketeers is like the ugly friend that's just, like,
01:24:55 hanging on, you know?
01:24:57 It's like when you get the --
01:24:59 That's when, like, you have to start J. Crowder or P.J. Tucker.
01:25:02 You know, like, that's your Three Musketeers.
01:25:04 You know, the rest of your lineup is great.
01:25:06 You didn't need to bring J. Crowder into this.
01:25:08 It's like when you get that mixed bag of the minis,
01:25:10 and then that last one is usually the Three Musketeers.
01:25:12 You're like, why is that one of the minis?
01:25:14 Three Musketeers is a fringe guy.
01:25:15 Like, he's never really invited, but he's always kind of there.
01:25:18 And you just kind of let him hang around.
01:25:22 Pretty much.
01:25:23 I've never -- I can't -- I don't even know what --
01:25:27 It's fluffy, whipped nougat.
01:25:29 Get out of here.
01:25:31 Yeah, that's what it is.
01:25:32 Don't get me wrong.
01:25:33 I'll have, like, a mini here and there.
01:25:35 If it's just kind of sitting there, I'll do it.
01:25:37 I'll do it.
01:25:39 Bobby must have had a wildly controversial opinion, right?
01:25:42 No, he was --
01:25:44 I'm a big candy guy.
01:25:47 Yeah, he was a Kit Kats.
01:25:49 You like Reese's or Reese's.
01:25:52 It's actually Reese's.
01:25:54 A lot of people think it's Reese's, including me, for, like, 33 years of my life.
01:25:59 And then somebody was like, no, it's Reese's.
01:26:01 And then I was like, no, it's Reese's.
01:26:03 And then sure enough, it is Reese's.
01:26:05 It's spelled Reese's, and it's Reese's pieces.
01:26:08 People go around saying Reese's pieces.
01:26:10 It's actually not that.
01:26:12 Isn't that kind of crazy?
01:26:13 Yeah, you can eat -- you can swallow gum.
01:26:15 John doesn't care.
01:26:16 You won't die if you have Pop Rocks and soda.
01:26:19 You won't?
01:26:21 No.
01:26:22 But I wouldn't try it.
01:26:23 You guys -- I don't know if you're old enough to remember the Mikey from Life Cereal died drinking soda and Pop Rocks.
01:26:30 He likes it, hey, Mikey.
01:26:31 That was the urban myth for years.
01:26:33 Yeah.
01:26:34 I remember that.
01:26:35 Hey, Mikey, he likes it.
01:26:36 The myth was that he died chugging soda and Pop Rocks and it exploded in his throat.
01:26:40 That was the urban legend for years, and people believed it.
01:26:43 Before Google, like, how would you know?
01:26:45 Like, I don't know, like, he might be dead.
01:26:47 That is true.
01:26:48 That is true.
01:26:49 How would you know?
01:26:50 Like, you would just have to show up and be like, I'm not dead, dudes.
01:26:53 Yeah, the dude just, like, his contract ran up, and everyone was like, no, he died.
01:26:57 He's dead.
01:26:59 Yeah, really sad, actually.
01:27:00 He died in a candy accident.
01:27:02 Yeah.
01:27:03 Yeah, it turns into fact.
01:27:04 That's what happened.
01:27:05 Really, really sad how it happened.
01:27:06 You know what also sucks?
01:27:08 Black licorice.
01:27:09 Yeah.
01:27:10 I've never really gotten that as a Halloween candy, but licorice you get, and licorice is kind of just boring.
01:27:14 Well, people used to love Twizzlers.
01:27:16 I mean, like, I never got into Twizzlers.
01:27:18 Flavorless.
01:27:19 I like Twizzlers.
01:27:20 It's just plastic.
01:27:21 I just don't really want it in my -- yeah, what is it?
01:27:22 Make it taste like something.
01:27:23 Again, yeah.
01:27:24 I don't mind -- I don't mind --
01:27:25 Twizzlers are insultingly bad.
01:27:27 Twizzlers -- Poland peel is very good.
01:27:29 Insultingly bad.
01:27:31 Twizzlers, Poland peel is very good.
01:27:33 What do you guys think?
01:27:34 What's so great about this?
01:27:36 John, you got a favorite candy?
01:27:38 Favorite?
01:27:39 Yeah, favorite.
01:27:40 I don't like these.
01:27:41 I don't like any of these anymore because, like, our tastes have evolved.
01:27:44 Like, I eat, like, delicious, expensive chocolate.
01:27:48 So when I eat one of these things --
01:27:49 Oh, wow.
01:27:50 Ooh.
01:27:51 Ooh.
01:27:52 Meaning, like, you've eaten real stuff now, right?
01:27:54 Like, this just tastes like crap.
01:27:56 Delicious.
01:27:57 It tastes like sugar.
01:27:59 Even if you have, like --
01:28:00 90% dark chocolate.
01:28:02 No, I don't even like that.
01:28:03 But even if you eat, like, just a good bar of chocolate,
01:28:05 it's so hard to go back and have, like, one of these things.
01:28:08 They taste like garbage.
01:28:09 Dude, you're like the craft beer guy, aren't you?
01:28:11 No, I drink --
01:28:12 You can't enjoy a Miller Lite, can you?
01:28:14 I drink -- no, I pound Miller High Life, like, 40 at a time.
01:28:18 I don't drink IPAs.
01:28:20 I'm just saying --
01:28:21 Sounds like you do, Mr. Godiva.
01:28:24 The problem is, these don't taste like chocolate.
01:28:27 They taste like sugar.
01:28:28 That's the problem.
01:28:29 They don't have enough chocolate flavor, these candy bars.
01:28:31 They just taste like pure sugar to me.
01:28:33 I just feel like I'm eating sugar.
01:28:35 Okay.
01:28:36 Yeah, that's why.
01:28:37 You need something that's, like, more rich.
01:28:39 Just taste -- yeah, exactly.
01:28:41 Once your taste is more refined, this stuff is like, oh, my God.
01:28:44 Like, any of the old, like, Keebler, Prepperidge Farms
01:28:47 sort of cookies that you ate as a kid,
01:28:49 like, now that you've had, like, a real cookie from a bakery,
01:28:52 you go and eat one of those, and you're like, this is disgusting.
01:28:55 Like, it doesn't taste like actual food.
01:28:58 My buddy thinks Twix is the best candy.
01:29:00 It's just this gross, processed -- everything is just -- yeah.
01:29:03 Everything's processed that we're talking about.
01:29:05 But when you're a kid, you don't know what's greatest.
01:29:07 Yeah.
01:29:08 Yeah, yeah.
01:29:09 When you're a kid -- listen, yesterday is a cheat day for everybody,
01:29:12 but you shouldn't really -- your diet shouldn't revolve around this candy.
01:29:16 That being said, Twix is another popular one.
01:29:18 It kind of gets mixed in with the Snickers and the, you know,
01:29:22 Milky Ways and the Reese's and all that stuff.
01:29:24 A lot of people like Twix.
01:29:26 Yeah.
01:29:27 M&M's.
01:29:29 We got Mikey from life.
01:29:32 He went out on rocks, man.
01:29:34 [Laughter]
01:29:38 Oh, my God.
01:29:39 He's like, that's facts.
01:29:41 That shit's real.
01:29:43 Would you do Skittles, John?
01:29:44 Because that's kind of sour.
01:29:46 It's not bad.
01:29:47 Just, again, just pure.
01:29:49 Sour Skittles are legit.
01:29:52 That was a game changer when he dropped.
01:29:54 That was a game changer.
01:29:56 Yeah.
01:29:57 Anyway, thank you guys for hanging, for Candy Talk.
01:30:01 I know you guys already did.
01:30:02 We got 1,500 strong for Candy Talk right now.
01:30:04 I know.
01:30:05 I know.
01:30:06 We didn't lose that many.
01:30:07 I was going to say, I think we lost --
01:30:09 We lost a couple hundred.
01:30:10 You lost me.
01:30:11 A couple hundred health nuts out there.
01:30:14 Look at this guy.
01:30:15 Hey, Jimmy, no one cares about your opinion.
01:30:17 This is legitimately --
01:30:19 And get off our freaking show.
01:30:22 This is an insane point of view here.
01:30:25 This person --
01:30:26 Try Dutch salt licorice.
01:30:29 I don't even know what that is.
01:30:30 This is dangerous thinking right there.
01:30:32 Horrible.
01:30:34 What the hell is it?
01:30:35 Salt licorice.
01:30:38 I'll answer this one.
01:30:40 Waffles last.
01:30:41 Look at Dirk.
01:30:42 Dirk is actually doubling down on the licorice take here.
01:30:49 Black licorice double salted.
01:30:52 I guess you got to salt your licorice.
01:30:54 I didn't know.
01:30:55 Who knew?
01:30:56 You got to salt your licorice.
01:30:58 Somebody said almond joy.
01:30:59 Trash.
01:31:00 Absolutely trash.
01:31:01 Baby Ruth.
01:31:02 Eh.
01:31:03 That's kind of --
01:31:04 That's fine, I guess.
01:31:09 We'll get into the pie talk for Thanksgiving.
01:31:11 Twizzlers.
01:31:12 Pie talk is next.
01:31:13 Guys, soon as --
01:31:15 You know what, though?
01:31:16 I know John is a big Thanksgiving guy.
01:31:18 I forget if you guys are or not.
01:31:20 I skip right over Thanksgiving.
01:31:22 I say Merry Christmas starting today.
01:31:24 I go to --
01:31:26 Dunkin' Donuts?
01:31:27 They already came out with the --
01:31:29 As they should.
01:31:30 As they should.
01:31:32 Thanksgiving gets one day for me.
01:31:34 Thanksgiving.
01:31:36 That's the day it gets for me.
01:31:38 I think everyone does the same.
01:31:39 I'm Christmas from now.
01:31:41 I'm buying a big Christmas tree this year, too.
01:31:43 I was going to say, what, you got the tree up already?
01:31:45 Not yet, but I'm a real Christmas tree guy.
01:31:47 I don't do the fake stuff, so I can't buy one yet or else it will be dead for Christmas.
01:31:50 But I plan on buying a good-sized Christmas tree this year.
01:31:54 All right.
01:31:55 Good stuff.
01:31:56 Good stuff.
01:31:57 Gummy bears, somebody said.
01:31:59 Chuckles, that's old school.
01:32:00 Holy crap.
01:32:01 Chuckles is -- Yeah.
01:32:03 We talked about -- Was it dots?
01:32:06 Yeah, I brought up dots.
01:32:08 You brought up dots.
01:32:09 Is that where you peel it off the paper?
01:32:11 No, but I forgot about that.
01:32:13 No, that is dots.
01:32:15 No, dots is the one --
01:32:17 You were thinking of the gummy dots, but there's also the ones on the paper.
01:32:20 What were those called?
01:32:21 Right, I'm thinking the gummy ones, but there wasn't --
01:32:22 Paper dots, those are garbage.
01:32:24 Yeah, you have paper on the inside.
01:32:26 You can't eat those without eating paper.
01:32:28 Somebody's saying Jolly Ranchers.
01:32:30 Dude, we're not like 80-year-old people trying to just suck on a Jolly Rancher for two hours.
01:32:37 Those will give you cavities, too, because you know what it is, you bite into them,
01:32:41 and then they get stuck to your teeth.
01:32:43 Yeah.
01:32:44 Poor Bobby.
01:32:45 You guys used to have Nylon Laders?
01:32:46 Bye, Bobby.
01:32:47 Nylon Laders are good.
01:32:49 I like Nylon Laders, but, yeah, that will rip your teeth out, too.
01:32:51 You know what?
01:32:52 I also want to give a shout-out to Rolos.
01:32:53 And Milk Duds.
01:32:55 Rolos are good.
01:32:56 Yeah, Rolos are good.
01:32:57 I don't like Milk Duds.
01:32:58 Rolos are better.
01:32:59 What we didn't mention and underrated, you don't find them in miniature form very much.
01:33:04 Peppermint Patties.
01:33:05 I actually think they discontinued making them.
01:33:07 Hold on.
01:33:08 Peppermint Patties are awesome.
01:33:10 Score.
01:33:11 Score.
01:33:12 I remember those.
01:33:13 That's like the four pieces.
01:33:15 There's Heath Bar.
01:33:17 No, that's Toffee Fae.
01:33:18 Four.
01:33:19 Score had four.
01:33:20 It had like peanut butter, vanilla, chocolate.
01:33:22 No, Score is just Toffee.
01:33:24 Score is just Toffee.
01:33:25 There's Heath Bar, and then there was Score.
01:33:26 Score was better.
01:33:27 Score was damn good.
01:33:28 No, the Score Bar?
01:33:29 Yes.
01:33:30 I'm thinking of Clark.
01:33:31 Dude, what's the one that--
01:33:33 Clark was like a Butterfingers.
01:33:35 You're right.
01:33:36 The only reason I know that is because of--
01:33:38 John's right.
01:33:39 --random movies like Pursuit of Happiness that took place.
01:33:41 There was an old candy bar that-- I can't remember the name.
01:33:44 I'm not going to talk about it.
01:33:45 But it was like four pieces.
01:33:46 One had chocolate in it.
01:33:47 One had caramel.
01:33:48 One had like vanilla, and one had-- I don't even know what it was.
01:33:51 But I don't really see that one.
01:33:52 I know what you're talking about.
01:33:54 Do you know what it was called?
01:33:56 It was in a yellow wrapper.
01:33:57 Yellow wrapper.
01:33:58 Yeah, no, I have it.
01:33:59 It's not Score, obviously.
01:34:01 I know what it is.
01:34:02 I can picture it.
01:34:03 I just can't remember the name.
01:34:05 We'll find it out.
01:34:06 It's going to kill me.
01:34:07 I don't Google, so I'm just going to think about it
01:34:09 for the next two years until I get it.
01:34:11 You don't Google, Hardo.
01:34:13 No, it's a fun challenge, you know?
01:34:17 Yeah.
01:34:18 God, that's going to drive me nuts for a while, though.
01:34:21 It's one word, I think.
01:34:23 I mean, it's one syllable, I think.
01:34:25 Bobby, what do you think of it?
01:34:27 Bobby is like writing an article right now.
01:34:29 He is completely checked out.
01:34:31 He's transcribing.
01:34:33 Bobby looks so uninterested.
01:34:36 Yeah, I'm on to Thanksgiving.
01:34:39 All right, it's Bill Belichick here.
01:34:42 We're on to Thanksgiving.
01:34:43 On to Thanksgiving.
01:34:44 All right, later, guys.
01:34:46 Thanks for watching.
01:34:47 Saturday, Brooklyn.
01:34:49 We're back.
01:34:50 Bobby and Joe Swain are down there.
01:34:54 Yep, so we'll get some live reaction.
01:34:59 I should, too.
01:35:00 I keep saying I'm going to go to one of these New York games,
01:35:02 just hang out in New York.
01:35:03 Let's go to a Knicks game, Joe.
01:35:05 Madison Square Garden.
01:35:06 You guys want to do the man on the street next time?
01:35:08 Yes.
01:35:09 We would crush you.
01:35:10 Don doing man on the street would be dope.
01:35:12 I watched it.
01:35:13 Mrs. New York Knicks almost took a swing at Joe Swain.
01:35:17 Mrs. New York Knicks was--
01:35:18 No, you guys are better at that stuff than I am.
01:35:21 If that was your husband, you could tell he knew what you were--
01:35:25 you were inching for it, dude.
01:35:27 You were close.
01:35:28 You could tell he clearly wore the pants in that relationship.
01:35:31 Oh, yeah.
01:35:32 He was hiding behind you.
01:35:33 He was like, "I know that tone.
01:35:35 I'm going to step aside and let this--
01:35:37 Yeah, because he knew if he steps in, it would be worse for him, I guess.
01:35:40 Junior Mints.
01:35:41 Thank you.
01:35:42 Somebody said Junior Mints.
01:35:43 I love Junior Mints.
01:35:44 I said Peppermint Patties.
01:35:45 See, that's the thing with me, man.
01:35:46 When it comes to chocolate and mint, no, that's just not--
01:35:49 I like to call it--
01:35:51 like mint chocolate and mint ice cream is right up there for me.
01:35:56 Candy cigarettes, anybody remember those?
01:35:59 You know what I love that you don't really see?
01:36:01 Raisinets.
01:36:03 You don't see raisinets at Halloween.
01:36:05 You should.
01:36:06 I love raisinets.
01:36:07 I love raisins and I love chocolate.
01:36:08 You mix the two, awesome.
01:36:10 How about Mallow Cups?
01:36:12 No.
01:36:13 It was basically a Reese's with marshmallow.
01:36:16 I forgot about Rolos.
01:36:17 Yeah, I'm not big on like the marshmallow candy stuff.
01:36:21 I thought they were gross.
01:36:22 They are.
01:36:24 It was just-- oh, Henry was a great one back in the day.
01:36:27 Nope.
01:36:28 Gobstoppers, nobody?
01:36:30 No.
01:36:31 Gobstoppers, remember those.
01:36:32 What do you do with those?
01:36:33 They're too hard to chew.
01:36:34 Like, they just kind of sit in your mouth.
01:36:36 Totally pointless.
01:36:37 You got to dissolve this.
01:36:38 Suck.
01:36:40 Bobby, closing thoughts on this one?
01:36:45 Andy?
01:36:46 No, we'll finish it with a Celtics final thought.
01:36:51 Make it worth your while for staying on.
01:36:55 Yeah, they're brilliant right now.
01:36:57 There's really not a ton to say.
01:36:59 It's just clicking so fast.
01:37:01 So much cohesion right off the bat.
01:37:03 They're playing the way they want to offensively, too.
01:37:06 I'm just blown away by the post-ups.
01:37:07 I really am.
01:37:08 I wasn't sure we'd see a big boost in them, but they are all in.
01:37:13 That's the one jump.
01:37:14 All in on it.
01:37:15 And it's been super effective.
01:37:16 It's been refreshing.
01:37:18 And it's made them all the more effective.
01:37:20 They can only get better, right?
01:37:22 With more time, more cohesion, and more games under their belt.
01:37:26 So it's scary to see what they're going to be capable of when they get 15,
01:37:29 20 games in, as long as they're healthy, of course.
01:37:32 And then if they're not, that's going to be the real concern.
01:37:34 But otherwise, you're not seeing many questions or issues emerge in these
01:37:39 early games.
01:37:40 And we'll see some other matchups and stuff.
01:37:41 Philly will be interesting.
01:37:42 Brooklyn might be able to challenge them in certain types of ways.
01:37:45 But these first four teams really haven't been able to do outside the
01:37:48 Knicks and the Heat a little bit.
01:37:51 It was Sky Bar.
01:37:54 That's the name of it?
01:37:55 Yeah.
01:37:56 I was going to ask, Josh.
01:37:57 That is--
01:37:58 That's the one, Sky Bar.
01:38:00 Sky Bar.
01:38:01 Yellow wrapper.
01:38:02 What were the four sections?
01:38:04 They didn't say, but I know it was chocolate, vanilla, caramel,
01:38:07 and there's one other.
01:38:09 Maybe--
01:38:10 Now that you've said it, I'm googling it.
01:38:11 Peanut butter.
01:38:12 Chocolate, peanut butter, caramel, and I think vanilla.
01:38:17 Also, Bobby faxed my dog.
01:38:19 I agree.
01:38:20 I just sent it to one of my friends before you texted it.
01:38:23 I texted one of my boomer chains.
01:38:26 I go, candy from our childhood, yellow wrapper.
01:38:29 It was chocolate, I said, in four sections.
01:38:32 Caramel, vanilla, or something and something, and he wrote back instantly,
01:38:36 Sky Bar.
01:38:37 Sky Bar.
01:38:38 Sky Bar, only three sections.
01:38:39 I was like, holy crap.
01:38:40 For some reason, tonight the chat--
01:38:42 I'm getting the chat, at least on my end, way late.
01:38:45 So I'm just seeing the comments coming in right now saying Sky Bar.
01:38:49 So if the chat was as we were--
01:38:53 chat is like our Google.
01:38:54 Man, somebody-- he nailed that one quick.
01:38:56 Sky Bar.
01:38:57 Sky Bar.
01:38:58 It was four.
01:38:59 It was right there, Sky Bar.
01:39:01 That was a good one.
01:39:02 That was a good one.
01:39:03 That was a good one.
01:39:04 You won't see those--
01:39:05 All right, let Bobby out of this hell.
01:39:08 We pulled him into this.
01:39:09 Yeah.
01:39:10 Good night, guys.
01:39:11 They still got-- he has actual work to do after this, so let's go.
01:39:13 Yeah, I have to go to bed.
01:39:14 - Later guys.
01:39:15 - Bye.

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