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00:00:00Think I'm live. Here we go. No muting because there was no intro. We're here. What's going

00:00:07on everyone? Mike Cadillac. Taylor Kyle's here for CLNS media on Patriots post game where

00:00:13the Patriots just got spanked by the 49ers 30 to 13 in Santa Clara. They fall to one and three

00:00:21heading into week five against the Miami Dolphins. Nothing really went right here tonight. Taylor,

00:00:26the offense didn't look good. The defense, the secondary wasn't great. There was some great

00:00:31plays on the 49ers side on offense. Obviously, Patriots did force a turnover in the end zone

00:00:37to Roe Peppers. Nice interception. But overall, I saw a tweet from Alex Barth where he said,

00:00:44there's not much to dig too deep into for this game. And I think he's kind of right. I think it

00:00:48was just bad football, bad play, no improvement. I guess they improved a little bit on the defensive

00:00:53side of all throughout the second half where early in the first half, they continue to not

00:00:57contain the edge like they did against the Jets. They improved a little bit on that,

00:01:01where Brock Purdy was like running wild in the first half, making plays, scrambling,

00:01:06doing his thing. They contained that a little bit in the second half, but overall it wasn't

00:01:10enough. They got it to a two score game at one point. It was 20, 27, 13, I believe they cut it

00:01:16to, uh, and then 49ers get three and then, and then that's a wrap the offense, uh, Jacoby reset

00:01:22himself. Uh, not great at all. 19 of 32 for 168 passing yards, one touchdown and a pick.

00:01:29He was sacked six times. He was hit. Uh, I want to say nine or 10 times, I believe.

00:01:35Uh, not great. Yeah. 10 QB hits with the San Francisco defense. So not great. Overall Patriots

00:01:40offense continues to find themselves, uh, you know, not, not putting up points from Andre

00:01:46Stevenson fumbles for a fourth game in a row. We're going to get to all of it. That's just

00:01:50sort of the gist of it, but I'll kick to you, Taylor quickly. What are your main thoughts?

00:01:55Big takeaways, uh, as the Patriots unfortunately fall to one in three after the first quarter

00:02:00of the 2024 season. This was the kind of game that I thought Jacoby Bursette could not have

00:02:07where you're putting the ball in harm's way. I think there were four times at least where you

00:02:11could see, he was trying to extend the play or something, and then tried to throw the ball and

00:02:15either had it fumbled or he, you know, it just was way too close for comfort. And then on the last

00:02:20time he did that, he actually got stripped, sacked on a play where, you know, DeMontre

00:02:24Jacobs got beat so fast by Napos. Uh, I don't even, I felt like he didn't even feel him coming

00:02:29off the edge, which with Bosa one-on-one, you'd hope that he would be quicker there.

00:02:32We also saw earlier in the game, he missed a high low where he could have thrown with

00:02:36anticipation to Mario Douglas. He didn't, uh, the pick six. Honestly, I know how bad it looked

00:02:42and I want, he did hold onto the ball. And I know people were like, Oh, Jalen poke was open on the

00:02:46other side. But you know, as a quarterback, you're reading like, okay, this route's not there. Then

00:02:51this one's coming into the lane. That's not there. I'm going to throw the next thing coming into the

00:02:54lane. That was a ridiculous play by Fred Warner. It just turned into the worst case scenario.

00:02:59And I don't want to sound like an apologist. Cause I'm not, this was, again, this is the

00:03:02game that I didn't want to see from Jacoby. And I said for him and Alex van Pelt, this was my big

00:03:07litmus test where it's like three games. You're getting close to like, you're starting to see

00:03:10patterns four games in. Now we have a pretty good idea of where these guys are at Jacoby

00:03:16throwing downfield. Other than the Jalen poke play, that was almost freaking insane. Um, you

00:03:21know, that was even still risky because you have the safety coming over the top.

00:03:24And it was fourth and five. I hated that decision, Taylor. I hated that decision.

00:03:28I don't know what the other routes were. I didn't look at the play close enough, but

00:03:31to throw a goal ball on fourth and five, 30 yards down the sideline. I didn't love that at all. I

00:03:36thought there, there should have been an answer elsewhere. And if there wasn't that's on the play

00:03:39call. Yeah. And there was another throw that he had deep to Taekwon Thornton where like KJ Osborne

00:03:44was open because they, you could see pre-snap. I'm like that guy's about the blitz. Just throw

00:03:48it to KJ Osborne, take the easy yards. And sometimes it feels like Jacoby has a hard time

00:03:52taking some of those just easy completions. And that's the really frustrating part is we get,

00:03:57you're getting harassed back there. You're taking big hits. You're trying your best

00:04:00just to survive and, you know, stay upright. But at the same time,

00:04:04it's a lot of different things where it's the pressure and it's sometimes him making things

00:04:07worse. And we'll get into, you know, the whole Drake May conversation. I just wanted to put out

00:04:11there very plainly one. I do not think Jacoby Brissett played well today. I really wish I

00:04:17could say that, you know what, put Drake May in there. But again, for reasons we'll talk about

00:04:20later I just don't think they can do that defensively. The first half was rough. Like

00:04:26I really thought this game was going to get disgusting in the second half where it was just

00:04:31like a complete runaway freight train. The defense really did hunker down though. And they deserve

00:04:35some credit for that. Now they gave up their plays, but we were never under the impression

00:04:39they were going to shut down the 49ers defense. We knew like that Juwan Jennings catch with Marcus

00:04:44Jones. That's when we're like, yeah, that's what you expect from the 49ers where you can have

00:04:47perfect coverage and still be wrong. But then you have the busted coverage from Jalen Hawkins,

00:04:52where it looked like they got beat by that deep dig so many times. I think he overcommitted to it.

00:04:58And there are some coverages where that's okay. Where like Jalen Hawkins goes down on that and

00:05:03maybe the other corner gets depth instead so they can end up bracketing the post. But it didn't look

00:05:08like that was the play call. And then what else? Joshua Uche missed a tackle in the backfield and

00:05:13then blew right past the offensive line on the touchdown run. You see that from all the time.

00:05:19It's completely unacceptable. I think they took him off the field at one point on early downs for

00:05:23Curtis Jacobs, a guy that we were kind of talking about if they needed to make some room on the

00:05:27roster is probably one of the guys that they would cut. If anyone, Keon White gave up the edge

00:05:32multiple times. Almost every time Brock pretty got out of the pocket early on, it was to Keon

00:05:37White side. Now to the defense's credit, I think they adjusted by putting Keon inside and instead

00:05:43having Dietrich Wise on the edge and then having them twist the first time it didn't work out

00:05:48because it just didn't look coordinated. They got better after that. So again, I do want to

00:05:51give credit where it's due to the defense for bouncing back, but also Ramondre Stevenson's

00:05:56fumble. It's completely unacceptable. Obviously it didn't happen again after he sat down and got

00:06:02talked to, but that's ridiculous. Four games in a row in the second week in a row that you lose one.

00:06:07I'm just kind of going rapid fire. Jelani Tavae was getting picked on in coverage. There was that

00:06:12one play where I got called back for a touchdown because George Kittle got called for a penalty,

00:06:16but he got completely lost on, I think it was a Texas route from the backfield where he was going

00:06:22all the way outside like it was a flat and then couldn't recover in time to cover the play. So

00:06:27that's really all the stuff I have from the offense and defense in terms of the quick hitters,

00:06:31but also the special teams. We got to give it up for them. Bryce Behringer, fantastic game. Brendan

00:06:36Schooler had a few tackles. Joey Sly, was it a franchise record that field goal that he made?

00:06:41It was longest in Patriots history? Yes, it was a 63 yard. It was the longest. He beat out Steven

00:06:45Gostowski who hit a 62 yard or like six or seven years ago, I think. There you go. So yeah,

00:06:51go team for him as well. Christian Ellis, man, not only forcing a fumble, he put a blocker into the

00:06:57returner and then recovered it. Great awareness by him, made a tackle as well. So I really want

00:07:01to give credit to the special teams. They're a big reason this was, I don't want to say competitive

00:07:05necessarily, but that it wasn't a full on blowout for the entire game. And it felt like at some

00:07:10points, maybe they can mount a comeback. But yeah, man, this is, this is an ugly game. There's a lot

00:07:15needs to do better. At least we saw some flashes from the defense where it's like, okay, that's what

00:07:19we want to see, especially given all the injuries. I mean, my God, dude, like Kyle Thugger leaves the

00:07:25game. You're already missing Jawan Bentley. Keon White was banged up at one point. You lose Kaden

00:07:30Wallace. He had to be picked up off the field and carried by teammates. Yeah, that was a tough scene.

00:07:34Yeah. The injuries for this team are really rough and you really can never ignore those when you're

00:07:38talking about how bad they're playing because those are significant. But yeah, there's a lot

00:07:42more you want to see from this offense. And I don't know when it's going to get better because

00:07:46I don't know when you can put Drake May in there. Let's start with that then. Let's start with

00:07:50Jacoby Brissette and sort of dive a little bit deeper in that. Cause like I said, 19 to 32,

00:07:54168 yards, had the touchdown to Austin who brought a nice play call on fourth down,

00:07:59but also the interception. And we can dive into the interception in a second, but you know,

00:08:03quotes right now coming in from the Patriots locker room, Gerard Mayo is at the podium right now,

00:08:08told the reporters that at this point, Jacoby is our starting quarterback

00:08:12saying that they'll go and watch the film. But right now he's sticking by Brissette, which

00:08:16don't know again, if, if a quarterback change is going to do any good for this team right now,

00:08:20I don't, we'll, you know, we'll dive into that a little bit more. But right now it sounds like

00:08:24they're sticking by Brissette. Now I like that. You mentioned the interception. He threw a Taylor

00:08:29cause you're right. It wasn't outstanding play by Fred Warner. One of the best linebackers,

00:08:33obviously in football, where you write it, it looked like there were guys open coming across

00:08:37the middle. When you look at it from behind Brissette, but Warner also kind of ran with

00:08:42Jalen poke at the time. So he baited him into thinking, Oh, let's throw it behind him or throw

00:08:47it behind me rather. And then as soon as he took his eyes off poke, Warner ran back, back into

00:08:51coverage and pick the football off and made a great play. Obviously makes a nice play running

00:08:55to the end zone as well and scoring the touchdown. But I look, I, I didn't like, it wasn't a great

00:09:00play by Jacoby Brissette, but it was an outstanding play by Fred Warner, where I think you can kind of

00:09:05see it and look at it both ways in that. Um, but overall, even though he was under siege and

00:09:10under fire all game, I still thought it was probably Brissette's worst game so far this

00:09:14season. Now you could say that, yeah, the jets came was pretty bad too. Like he's not playing

00:09:18great, but he's also not getting any help from the offensive line. So I can see where, you know,

00:09:23fans and, and even some media people will argue that, well, why not just throw Drake May in there?

00:09:29Because he's going to make this bad offensive line look a little bit better where there were times

00:09:32Jacoby was kind of running around today, like a chicken with his head cut off, where the pressure

00:09:37got to him. He ran around, he ran, he, there were, there was one play where he broke out on the right

00:09:41side, broke out of the right side of the pocket. Nobody was coming across the middle for him

00:09:45because all the players were going to the outside. And then he just kind of stood there and had to

00:09:49take a sack. Now, I don't know if Drake may turns that into a first down. I don't know if he makes

00:09:54a better play because we haven't seen it, but there were times where you would like to have a

00:09:58more athletic quarterback back there when the play is falling apart. So I get that sentiment where

00:10:04Bursette's not playing great. I just don't see Drake May doing much better. Like, I don't know,

00:10:10that's kind of my thoughts on Bursette where it's not good, but it's not good because of everything

00:10:15that's around them. And it's just, it's, it's a tough situation and it's hard to know if it's

00:10:20going to get much better because of the injuries as well. We can dive into those injuries right

00:10:24now along the offensive line, where you mentioned Caden Wallace, he leaves the game, gets rolled up

00:10:28on, uh, remandre falls into his ankle. He has to come off the field, but David Andrews leaves the

00:10:33game after their first drive, a shoulder injury goes to the locker room and doesn't return. And

00:10:38so if we're talking about Drake May going into the game, you want Drake May going into the game

00:10:43with Nick Lovrett as his starting center for his week one start or his first start rather.

00:10:47Absolutely not in this, in this system as well. They like to take a little bit off the quarterback

00:10:52shoulders and put it on the center as far as line adjustments and calls and things like that. And so

00:10:57if you have to take out your starting center and David Andrews and put in a backup for,

00:11:00you know, the foreseeable future in Lovrett, I'm not putting Drake May behind him.

00:11:04I want a David Andrews out there for Drake May's first start. So it's, it, it, it seemed as though

00:11:11they were trying to set this up where, and I tweeted this a few minutes ago, where

00:11:16they want to set it up so that the team is ready for Drake May when he comes into play. And right

00:11:20now, even if May's ready, the team's not, and I don't see this being a feasible landing spot or

00:11:25situation for him right now, going forward. Yeah, man, I think we all watched it and we're

00:11:31wishing that, you know, and just wondering like, what if Drake May was in there instead? Right.

00:11:35How many of these like runs could he turn into big gains where Jacobi just really doesn't have

00:11:40the, the wheels to do it. How many times could drink may have let the ball fly. And then this

00:11:44game is closer. Like I get that. And it's frustrating. Like, I feel like fans get confused

00:11:49and think that like, just because we have opinions on when Drake may should go in that,

00:11:51like we have control. It's okay to disagree. I would like also one thing like to remember that

00:11:56not necessarily here y'all have been fine, but overall like social media and everything,

00:12:00let's keep things respectful. All right. Because I think it's very fair for a contingent of fans

00:12:05to say, Hey, I'm sick of watching this offense. I want to see Drake May out there. Totally fine.

00:12:10I think it's also very valid to see. I am seeing Jacobi preset. I can hear his ribs screaming

00:12:15through the television and through his flak jacket. And yes, Drake may, may be able to get

00:12:19out of some of those plays, but we literally saw on the one drive he had against the jets.

00:12:22He was sacked multiple times. Like Drake is still going to be missing. What did I,

00:12:26did I say Drake? No, I'm just throwing Brian's name. It's Brian. I just had to give him some

00:12:33but like, and there's going to be plays that he misses. And we all know that we know he's

00:12:36going to be a rookie. He's going to make his mistakes, but even Rob Gronkowski acknowledged

00:12:41that there is a residual effect. If you put an, a young quarterback in a bad spot, when we were

00:12:47talking about Drake may starting, and I keep having to bring this up because I know it gets lost

00:12:51after everything that's happened. We were talking about an offensive line with the healthy city. So

00:12:55David Andrews and Mike and when you, as your interior with the dairy and low and Chooks

00:13:00Okorafor as your tackles shoots, obviously not great, but he's been a starter in the NFL.

00:13:04If the dairy and low is your one week spot, but you have a good pocket. I felt good about that.

00:13:09And with the receivers, like we've seen Jalen poke as a playmaker, we know we can see more

00:13:13from DeMario Douglas Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper are solid complimentary pieces. Like

00:13:18we thought that Drake may would be able to elevate them to be the best version of themselves in terms

00:13:22of like downfield prowess and things like that. It was going to take his licks, but you were going

00:13:26to see the development. Now we're talking about a completely different situation. Wide receiver.

00:13:31Yeah. It's about the same. And I think there's plenty of promising things from that group,

00:13:34but you're also seeing the offensive line. Like this is not sustainable. You're talking about a

00:13:38line that just had two backups and a rookie and then city. So still not playing great. Cause we

00:13:44saw he was in a battle with Leighton Robinson and he hasn't practiced since the last preseason game

00:13:48or played since the last preseason game. So as much as we wanted him to get back out there and

00:13:52look great, the reality is like, yeah, we were going to be some speed bumps, but we have no

00:13:56idea how quickly these are going to get resolved because the one of them was just on a twist where

00:14:00he didn't even give himself a chance. Nick Bosa came around and it was a blown place. So I agree

00:14:06that Drake would give this team a better chance to win. I think you'd be crazy to think they

00:14:10didn't, but these short-term wins are not worth Drake. May's long-term development.

00:14:15That is the bottom line. And if you put him against it, like it's one thing, if it's for

00:14:18maybe the last month, you know, and you get to have your Drake may showcase and you say, all

00:14:23right, you know what, this is the best it's going to get. Right. But you're not only risking his

00:14:27health. We're like, yeah, we've, it's not like you can say, oh, he's a tough kid. Your Kobe's tough

00:14:31as they come. And this dude is in pain all the time. Like we, we can't just ignore those things.

00:14:37And even if it's not necessarily, oh my God, now people are saying, I love to go.

00:14:41I'm just sitting here kind of reading the chat. The chat is it's funny though. Taylor, the chat

00:14:46is very polarized right now. We're saying play, uh, don't play Drake may play Drake may it's

00:14:51pretty much 50 50. And I liked that. It's polarizing because it's not like we're just

00:14:56sitting here. Hold like someone, someone saying in the chat, like, you know, we're represented

00:15:01in the page or whatever, like we're not holding the Patriots water here. It's just, we just have

00:15:05a different opinion than some of the other people. And so do other people in the chat. It's not,

00:15:09it's not this complicated thing where we're sitting here saying that, you know, to go over,

00:15:12said a good quarterback and is playing well right now. He's not. And it's also, I see in the chat

00:15:17somewhere where Drake may as an adult and all, he's a grown man. He can take getting hit. It's

00:15:22not about the injuries. It's not about that. It's about it is though. Partially it is. I don't care

00:15:28how old he is. He's also 23. What are you talking to as a grown man? All right. But, but I think,

00:15:32but my point though, is that it's not like, it's not about the fact that he's going to go out there

00:15:37and not be able to take the hits. Cause he's like small and is going to get hurt. It's the fact that

00:15:41if there's no offensive line help and they can't run the offense the way they want to, then he's

00:15:45just going to get his internal clock sped up, like, you know, a mile a minute. And he's just

00:15:48going to go back there and panic. Like we already saw in some of the jets games. Like when we broke

00:15:53it down last week, where he's dropping back on a, on a quick read, one step drop, and he panics,

00:15:58drops his head and just tries to run for a first down and runs right into an offensive line or

00:16:01defensive line or whatever it was. And so look there, there's two ways to skin the cat here,

00:16:05but at the end of the day, like resets under siege, he's not making good plays.

00:16:10I just, I don't want to, but I also don't want to see Drake may be put in this spot. It just,

00:16:15it doesn't make sense. There's too much. I like, I like the way you said it where

00:16:18short-term wins. It's not worth, you know, him going back there, getting his butt kicked,

00:16:24not being able to truly run the system and just trying to, trying to make off schedule,

00:16:28off platform plays all the time. Then he's not developing into a quarterback that you want to

00:16:32see in a quarterback that can win long-term and learn to read a defense and learn to understand

00:16:36the system and things like that. And so I think we're two straight games where the Patriots had

00:16:42to come back from big deficits to another position. You don't want your young quarterback

00:16:46in when they could just tee off on the guy because the defense, obviously from the first

00:16:49half and got better, but like, they're not keeping it as competitive as they're supposed

00:16:53to for most of the game. So there's that as well. It's it's tough. It's all tough. And again,

00:16:57Brissette goes 19 to 32, 168 yards passing the touchdown to Hooper 70.8 passer rating,

00:17:04not great all around in the Patriots lose 19 or I'm sorry, 30 to 13. Let's get into some other

00:17:12stuff. Taylor, we can kind of, we can kind of wrap up the show with Drake May talk and figure

00:17:16out when we think he's going to play this season. Now that he seemingly won't play next weekend,

00:17:21Mayo standing by him, rapid port comes out this morning and says that you know,

00:17:26Drake May's time on the field. Isn't going to come as soon as people may want, or people may

00:17:30think. So right now it looks like to go over a second, continuing on, but let's talk and we'll

00:17:34wrap it up later with again, if, and when may even we'll start this year, but let's talk about

00:17:40some other things. And let's go to the defensive side of the football Taylor, because

00:17:44they gave up the edge. Once again, early in this game party was running around like a maniac

00:17:49in a good way. He was getting the ball, the guys he was running, running around,

00:17:52got some first downs, things of that nature. Then they sort of improve where they're down 20,

00:17:5923 at half. They only let up 10 points in the second half, which is some improvement.

00:18:03They contained party a little bit more. They didn't allow him to make those kinds of plays. So

00:18:07I don't know if you saw anything specific of what they did, but how did you see the

00:18:10defense improve overall from first half to second half? And what is there to glean from their

00:18:14performance? I thought the rush lane integrity was the biggest thing. Cause it looked like that

00:18:19was just going to be a nut. This is going to be another game where that was just a massive

00:18:22headache for a long time. And we went into this knowing the party was a threat with his legs.

00:18:27That if you gave him a soft edge, it didn't matter if he necessarily was going to run

00:18:30just to let him extend it and find guys downfield. That was a major problem, but I'm glad that it

00:18:34did at least get resolved. I'm excited to see schematically what exactly they did, or I mean,

00:18:38at the end of the day, it comes down to discipline. So what they did also just from the player's

00:18:42perspective to improve that, um, then what else defensively, uh, throws over the, uh,

00:18:48the deep middle, like the Tampa two stuff is killing them. Jelani Tobias has been great in

00:18:52coverage the past two years, but he's really getting picked on. Uh, that's a pretty discouraging

00:18:58sign. I actually did think Ray Rayquan McMillan play a little bit better. Um, I don't, I don't

00:19:02think he missed any egregious tackles or anything that was a positive sign, but I would say the

00:19:06defensive line between Keon white early on and then Joshua Uche, like the run defense, obviously

00:19:11you don't usually want him on the field in those spots, but it was so bad where you're talking

00:19:16like, dude, at least throw your body out there and make a pile. You're taking yourself completely

00:19:20out of the play. Um, those are my really, really big takeaways. Christian Gonzalez had a really

00:19:24great game. John Jones, I thought had a great game. Like when you talk about obviously the

00:19:28Devo catch, there was only so much he could do if the middle of field defender, isn't going to

00:19:32help him out there. Um, Marcus Jones was very competitive. He may have been part of a

00:19:36miscommunication. I think on George Kittle's touchdown looked like they were playing some

00:19:39kind of match style of cover zero because like Pettis was defending something inside. And when

00:19:44he broke outside, it looked like he thought Jones was going to take it. He kind of stood there and

00:19:48they ran into each other a little bit. Um, so, you know, there was that play, but for the most

00:19:52part, I thought Marcus Jones looked good. I'm trying to go down the list. Uh, you know, to

00:19:56peppers had a few plays. He like stamped the running back. He, uh, he had a breakup and then

00:20:01the interception, he hadn't really made a lot of it. Also, he did also try and fling himself into

00:20:05Juwan Jennings and then, and then flung himself right into Jelani Devine. That wasn't a great

00:20:11look. Peppers gets a pass, like when he very rarely has bad misses like that. So that was

00:20:16somewhere I was like, yeah, that's ugly, but I'm not going to put you on blast. Like you, usually

00:20:20I give guys some level of grace unless it's just something completely egregious. Um, but yeah, so

00:20:25that secondary, I really thought, especially given the injuries overall, uh, did a solid job.

00:20:30Understandable. Like you're going to your depth safeties, like there's going to be some issues

00:20:34there and that's understandable. I think before this game, Jalen Hawkins had only played center

00:20:38field 12 times for the Patriots. So not really, even though he's done it in the past, not really

00:20:42a familiar spot for him within this scheme. Um, so positives overall, the secondary Keon white

00:20:48bouncing back to bond. Gotcha. I thought had a really good game as well. He set some hard edges

00:20:52for the defense. Uh, but the downs I'd say Jelani Tavai and Joshua Uche are kind of the big ones

00:20:57that stand out for me. It's tough to those linebackers, right? You look at, you look at

00:21:01Tavai who played well their first two weeks and then Juwan Bentley gets hurt and he sort of has

00:21:06to step up there in the middle and off the edge and hasn't really been able to do any of it.

00:21:10Like he, he looks lost in past coverage and he looked lost last week in past coverage and he's

00:21:14done the same this week. And then Anferty Jennings losing him today. Uh, one of their best run

00:21:19defenders off the edge. And Joshua Uche then goes in there. And for lack of a better term,

00:21:24lays an egg where I know you tweeted it. Alex tweeted about it as well. That play out defense

00:21:28on the goal line where he's just running right past the guys, not even like not even containing

00:21:34anything, just basically sprinting straight past these guys and the running back runs right past

00:21:38him for a touchdown. Like there's no awareness. There's no, there's nothing there. And these are,

00:21:45that's a guy, two guys really who they re-sign this, this off season as some of their glue guys

00:21:50on defense. They go through the, if you go down the line, the, the God Shahs and, and those two

00:21:55and Henry and born and things like that, where, you know, we're going to bring back the players

00:21:59we believe in. And we think are a solid piece of not only our offense, but our defense as well.

00:22:04And they just go out there and lay eggs when they have to be called upon the most. And that that's

00:22:07tough to see because this is a defense that is sort of the Patriots calling card or has been

00:22:12their calling card that the, the side of the ball that you didn't think you had to worry about where

00:22:18the offense, we'll see what happens. And there's the rookie and the offensive line and the wide

00:22:21receivers, this, that, and the other thing, the defense was supposed to be a short thing.

00:22:25And they looked like a shirt thing, at least after week one in Cincinnati, that's that side

00:22:29of the ball kept them in it. And ever since then, three straight losses, three straight quarterbacks

00:22:34dicing you up and pass coverage outside of Christian Gonzalez and linebackers and running

00:22:38the football on you too. And so it's tough to see. And I think they'll bounce back. Like I was

00:22:44writing a little bit about it. We haven't been able to post it just yet, where it's all the same

00:22:50coaching wise on that side of the football, besides bill Belichick. And on one hand it's,

00:22:56it's like, okay, yeah, obviously that's a huge loss for them and bill Belichick.

00:23:00But I also don't know if the rest of them are just going to completely fall apart and not be

00:23:04able to call a defense or put their guys in the right position just because that top guy isn't

00:23:09there anymore. You get what I'm kind of, you kind of get what I'm trying to say. I think so. I think

00:23:12so. It's just, it's just, it's all kind of, it's all over the place and, and I don't like it. And

00:23:19they need to do a lot to turn this thing in the other direction. Well, you know what we do like

00:23:23Mike, what's that? We like prize picks. We do like prize picks. Let's talk. Oh,

00:23:27you know what we need to do? Let's I need to load up the thing. Sorry. Give me one second.

00:23:31Prize pick. Also another reminder in the comment section, if you wouldn't say it to our face,

00:23:36put it in the comments. Yeah, I like that. Don't be stupid. I won't say it. I won't say

00:23:45DeMarcus Covington sucks because he doesn't suck. They, they showed resilience. I was afraid

00:23:50they did two straight weeks of the defense. Just like what is happening again? You know,

00:23:54the bone coverage was the worst one, but that's also like your third safety

00:23:58who was putting the spot. He's not usually in. So I'm not giving the team like, you know,

00:24:04the past necessarily, but because it's one player who, you know, you don't typically

00:24:08see give up big plays and things like that. Like I said, it feels like more of an isolated

00:24:11incident, but I really was impressed by the resilience they showed because they kept

00:24:15stopping the 49ers. They just, the offense couldn't do anything. It really was a point

00:24:19where it's like, if you had any faith in the offense, you would have been like, hold up.

00:24:23They might actually be able to win this because the defense is getting stops when they need to.

00:24:26And it looks like last year, but again, it looked like last year where

00:24:30they keep giving the offense opportunities and they can't capitalize on it.

00:24:33Yep. Sure. It does. All right. We're going to hit on the rest of the office of the minute.

00:24:36We're going to talk about Ramond race, fumbling problem. We'll talk about

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00:26:01let's go to Ramond Ray. Let's talk Ramond Ray because, uh, where, uh, that's fine.

00:26:08I'm kind of, uh, I'm trying to find some quotes here as well, because Mayo spoke

00:26:12about Ramond Ray Stevenson in the locker room and said that Ramond Ray is one of the most

00:26:20disappointed players, uh, or, or is kind of, let me try and find the thing. I'm sorry. I'm trying

00:26:25to do a million things at once. And sometimes I just need to stop talking. Let me know if I can

00:26:29assist. No, you're fine. Um, there's no one more than clutches in the locker room, which is not

00:26:36surprising, but so no one is more disappointed in himself that, or no one is more disappointed

00:26:41in Ramond Ray Stevenson. Then Ramond Ray Stevenson is the crux of what Mayo to say his

00:26:46fourth fumble in four games, his second straight game with a loss fumble. He comes off the field

00:26:51for, I think a drive as sort of a, Hey, don't do this again. And then they let him back in the

00:26:55game. And now granted he did bounce back and didn't put the ball on the ground again, but

00:26:59too little too late. Like that's the kind of stuff that can't happen. We talked about it last week,

00:27:04job securities, our ball securities, job security. Um, Bill Belichick was the one too, who, who put

00:27:10that and ingrained that into his head. He nicknamed him in the franchise and said, the franchise is

00:27:14in your hands when you hold the football and he puts it on the ground again. So I guess I'll ask

00:27:18you it this way, Taylor, are you worried about Stevenson and this fumbling problem? Like,

00:27:23is this a problem yet? I know it should be, it should be called one because it's been four times

00:27:27in four games. How do they improve on it? Is this a thing that just, or how does he improve on it?

00:27:32I guess, is this a thing that's just going to live with them? Does he, does he get benched

00:27:35because of it? Like where does he, and where do the Patriots go from here? Because four weeks in

00:27:39a row, it is a damn problem. I don't think he gets benched because he's benched for a series,

00:27:44but obviously he came back, protected the ball. I actually looked good. I thought the outside

00:27:48zone scheme actually looked the best it has in a couple of weeks. Cause duo, they were just

00:27:52blowing up. Like they were getting into the backfield very quickly. Um, I think there were

00:27:56mantras in his head, four straight fumbles in a row. Like he knew it was a problem after the first

00:28:00week. He knew it was a problem in week two. He knew it was a problem in week three. He knew it

00:28:03was a problem going into this game. We've talked about it a lot in that week kind of looked like

00:28:07jerks. I mean, you know, at some point, obviously it gets old when you keep getting asked the same

00:28:10question because there's no secret, hold onto the ball. It's really not that complicated,

00:28:15but sometimes I do think players get in their head and wonder, honestly, if it maybe affects

00:28:19how he plays because like Mayo said, he's one of the best tackle breakers in the NFL.

00:28:25But part of that is the fact that sometimes the ball ends up being a little looser than you'd

00:28:29like it to. And if you're thinking about that while the ball is still, while you're trying

00:28:34to protect the ball and it plays like those wires can get crossed a little bit. So I just think

00:28:39he's thinking too much because for this to happen every single week, I, you know, I think he had

00:28:43two hands on the ball too. I don't think he was just holding it with one. I think he was holding

00:28:47it and the guy still punched it out. So, I mean, good play by the San Francisco 49ers as well.

00:28:51I don't know why I said their whole name like that, but bottom line, it can't keep happening.

00:28:54If he does fumble again, I think you bench him for the whole game because you just, you can't

00:28:58keep sending this message of, you know, it's going to be okay just because he's one of our best

00:29:02players. Like we didn't like when Bill benched people, but now it's getting to the point where

00:29:06it's gotten past the point. Honestly, I thought he was going to get benched the whole game and I

00:29:09wouldn't have been upset by it. I think he's probably not coming back and we saw them show

00:29:13him some leniency and he is a leader on the team and all that, but as leader, you got to show that

00:29:18now he's going to have to deal with these questions for another whole week. And it's really no one's

00:29:21fault, but his own, he's got to get it. So let's ask this then did they give

00:29:25reminder of the contract too early? Should they have waited? Like on one hand, I think it's kind

00:29:30of a, I think that's a lot. I think that's, I think it's a lot too, but if you can't hold on

00:29:35to the football, Taylor, you can't hold onto the football. And you can look at it through that

00:29:40lens too, where, Oh man, like, is this guy just going to be a liability moving forward? And I

00:29:44like that you mentioned it's in his head because sometimes you don't kick bad stuff. I think Greg

00:29:48Olson was saying it on the broadcast where, uh, it, you know, if, if you just keep fumbling,

00:29:53that's all you're thinking about and you're not going to be able to, you're not going to be able

00:29:56to cut as smoothly. You're not going to be able to see the field as well as you'd like to, because

00:29:58the only thing that's in your head is, man, I got to turn, I got to hold on to this football.

00:30:02And it's supposed to be a second nature thing. And it doesn't seem like that way for remandering.

00:30:06Now, obviously I think it is a little far, um, you know, to say that they paid them too early

00:30:12and that it's not worth it because at the end of the day, he is one of the better running backs

00:30:15in football. You mentioned the tackle breaking, he's a leader, things of that nature, but it's,

00:30:20it's tough to see him put the football on the ground for straight games. That is a can't have

00:30:24it situation on a team that is predicated on running the football. And that's how they're,

00:30:30if they're going to win games this season, it's going to be close. It's going to be on defense

00:30:33and it's going to be running the football down somebody down the other team's throats.

00:30:37Yeah. Jacoby said, literally just said on the offensive performance today, tough. We can't

00:30:40spot them two turnovers like that. I think that's where it starts. And then it comes back to the

00:30:44fundamentals and execution. I hope somebody asked him about the pick six, because I'd like to know

00:30:49his perspective. If there's something that he would admit that he could have done better.

00:30:52I feel like watching the table, give us a better idea, but again, and that was,

00:30:55that's just, that was like a Madden linebacker play where half of the madness, you just never

00:31:00want to throw over the middle because those dudes can just fricking super jump. And Fred Warner is

00:31:04that kind of guy. And to be fair, like he did get locked where there was a defender and a receiver

00:31:08running right past him. So he kind of disappeared for a second. I think as Jacoby was about to throw

00:31:14and I really, I just don't, I'm so sick of people thinking I'm like some Jacoby apologist because

00:31:18really this game was terrible, but one play I was like, sometimes elite players make elite plays

00:31:25like, you know, that, and then he also got rocked by two people trying to prevent the touchdown,

00:31:29which is rough. But yeah, just, I don't even know. I feel like I was rambling a little bit there,

00:31:33but Katie Robinson who said that we, these two don't cut it, except you're in the chat,

00:31:38watching our show, Katie Robinson. So I know I had to do it, but what are we doing? What are

00:31:45we doing here? Anyway, I had something else that I wanted. Oh, all right. Let's talk about the

00:31:50throw to Jalen Polk because everyone's getting mad at me and saying that I didn't think it was

00:31:55a catch. Taylor, I didn't think it was a catch. One foot went down and then his left leg went out,

00:32:03went out of bounds before his right leg. I thought it was close, but I didn't think it was some

00:32:09egregious call that they didn't give him a catch. Oh no, I thought that his right foot

00:32:14got down, but I didn't see that it went over somebody's foot. Yeah. Okay. Well, I thought that

00:32:19second one got down. I know some people were saying he might've gotten a knee down as well.

00:32:22I don't know. But I definitely thought it was, when I first saw it, I was like, that's not a

00:32:28catch. It's just a ridiculous effort. Then on the replay, I thought that he might've gotten both feet

00:32:32down, but you said it, I don't, I would like to see the replay and other angles, but I did not

00:32:37like that decision. I'm like, dude, why are you going so far down field? But it also showed you

00:32:42why Jalen Polk can play some of that X for you. Like we've seen him more in like two receiver

00:32:47packages over Thornton. And I think that's why we're like, yeah, Thornton is fast, but Polk is

00:32:52way more aggressive on those kinds of plays. You even saw he was running and then he peeked for a

00:32:57second to see that the safety was coming over the top. And it was just like the play that he made

00:33:02on the Drake May deep shot early on in the summer where Drake tried to like stared it down and Jalen

00:33:08Hawkins got over the top. He goes up and kind of shields it so we can bring it down through contact.

00:33:14Like that's the kind of stuff you want to see from Polk. Now he did have a pretty tough drop.

00:33:18It wasn't an easy reception necessarily. It was like the fully extender extending drive,

00:33:23where it looked like he didn't do enough to get separation at the top of the route.

00:33:26Jacoby threw him a catchable ball, went through his hands. There was also the back shoulder that

00:33:31Jacoby threw inside, like one of multiple throws. I was like, Jacoby, man, what are we doing here?

00:33:38But yeah, I thought for the most part, Jalen Polk continued to show

00:33:42why he should be getting more targets because he's so competitive and so tough.

00:33:45There's going to be downsides just like with that lineman, just like with Drake May.

00:33:49But then when he does stuff like that, you're like, damn, no one else on this team is really

00:33:52doing anything like that. So hopefully we see more targets from him. Thought we'd see more

00:33:57pop, to be honest. I'd like to see how many more opportunities he had. But again, man,

00:34:02there were at least three times I'm like, pop should probably have gotten the ball here,

00:34:05but didn't. Just three catches for 13 yards on three targets for pop. Not going to cut it.

00:34:10Also, KJ Osborne, we love the person. He's not it. I feel like half the targets that go his way

00:34:19are incomplete and are drops. One catch on five targets today for KJ Osborne.

00:34:26I know one was broken up because the guy was right on his back. That one, I'm just like,

00:34:30I think the defense is anticipating a quick throw. I didn't put that one on him. But I mean,

00:34:34they need Kendrick Boren back like they need a third guy who can be some kind of threat because

00:34:39no one else in this receiving core at wide receiver, at least has shown that they deserve

00:34:43any level of respect from defenders. Well, I like that you mentioned Polk as an ex-option

00:34:47because I do think he showed a little bit of that today. And we both agree that the decision

00:34:52to go there on fourth down by Jacoby wasn't the right one. And at least I didn't see the play in

00:34:58full. So I don't know if there was any other option there where he was just kind of like,

00:35:01let me just give this guy a chance, but he made a good play on the football and show that he could

00:35:05be that guy. Even if at the end of the day, he didn't come down with it. He made the catch any

00:35:10other play in that situation. He can do something like that. So I wonder now, Taylor, we see that

00:35:15today. We see a KJ Osborne not have a great game. We don't see much production, really much play

00:35:22for no play from Jayvon Baker. Booty was out there for a little while. Had had one catch for 11 yards,

00:35:28which was pretty solid, his second of the season. But I wonder now, Kendrick Bourne,

00:35:33as reported by Ian Rapport, set to return to practice this week. If and when, yeah. And

00:35:39Taekwon Thornton, no catches on one target. And so I wonder, KJ, yeah. Kendrick Bourne comes back.

00:35:45It wasn't catchable to be fair. Okay. But no catches, no catches.

00:35:48Well, no. Yeah. No, I'm not making, I'm not. Right.

00:35:51Making choices for Taekwon. Like I was saying, I think that their best receiver trio is Polk,

00:35:56Pop and KB. Do that. Okay. That's where I was going with this. Put Polk at the X,

00:36:01put KB in at the Z, put Pop at the slot and go that way and go with that and see what happens.

00:36:09And, you know, maybe give Jayvon Baker a chance. Now, I don't know what he's doing

00:36:14in practice and everything like that, but he's out there, he's active and he's not even on the field.

00:36:18This is like the Keyshawn Booty situation last year for me, where I'm like, if they're not

00:36:21using him, it's probably for a reason. Because there's not that much, like there's not a whole

00:36:25bunch of guys doing anything. It's like Polk and Pop and then no one else is doing anything at all.

00:36:29I find it very hard to think that he's doing enough in practice.

00:36:32But Thornton's not doing anything on the field.

00:36:35He's at least clearing stuff out and like running.

00:36:38But is he? Because they're not doing anything with it. So yeah, he's clearing it out for what.

00:36:43That doesn't mean he's not doing his job necessarily. I don't like it. Plus it's

00:36:46clear that they just see him as mostly a decoy. Like I'm not defending him because that's what

00:36:50his function is in the offense. And with Javon Baker, like I just, I hate to think that someone

00:36:55who they clearly liked, like we know that Javon was like Drake's go-to guy and they were giving

00:37:01him opportunities and then he stopped capitalizing on them and we stopped seeing him. We were like,

00:37:04oh yeah, that makes sense. So why should we believe that he is performing any better?

00:37:08I know he's on the active roster, but also the people that have been inactive

00:37:11make more sense to keep an active than him. And you know, I love Javon Baker, but like.

00:37:16I just, I don't like the idea of a decoy being a part of your offense in general. Like he should

00:37:22be an option. You have five, you have five guys out there that Nelson Aguilar was, if we're being

00:37:26honest. It's like Nelson Aguilar Patriots offenses were not good at all. So I just.

00:37:31They don't do it. There are no good options. That's the reality. Of course. There are no

00:37:36good options outside of poke and pop. That's it. And I know that like, yeah,

00:37:40I put Javon Baker out there, but like you think the coach is not going to do the right.

00:37:45I don't disagree. I don't necessarily disagree, but it's also if Thornton's not doing anything,

00:37:49give the guy a chance in a game and let him see what he can do. I don't know. There's nothing

00:37:53else out there. I just have very little faith in the rest of the receiving core. I was excited

00:37:58this summer and I wanted to get everybody a fair shake. And when they played well,

00:38:01I gave them their credit. And when they didn't, I also acknowledged that and was like, oh,

00:38:05we may have to step for expectations. And I mean, I'd like Keishon booty even like he's

00:38:09getting out there. Sometimes he had a catch today, but we're not really seeing. And also

00:38:13I don't know how well like Javon Baker skillset may just even fits what Jacoby percent does well.

00:38:19Now it's like most of these deep shots aren't even really catchable at all. And he doesn't like

00:38:23throwing to the sideline very often for whatever reason. And I don't even, how many reps do we even

00:38:27think that he's getting with Jacoby percent Baker's probably repping with the twos all the time. I

00:38:32think he very rarely is mixing in with Taekwon. And again, I'm not saying Taekwon is, you know,

00:38:37good enough to be out there and be a starting X receiver.

00:38:40Just nobody is. I think your point is that nobody is. And I, and I, I agree with that.

00:38:46I just, it's there, there's nothing there at the X receiver position. And hopefully

00:38:50what we saw in that fourth out or almost fourth out conversion from Jalen Polk, maybe that can,

00:38:55that can change things up a little bit. Maybe they can switch things up a little bit and give

00:38:58him some run because Taekwon is not doing it on the outside either. All right. Let's kind of,

00:39:02uh, we're not going to completely wrap it up after this, but we'll, we'll lean heavy into

00:39:07the Drake may conversation because it's what people want to talk about.

00:39:10And people want us to talk about. And even though we both don't think that he should go out there

00:39:15and play, there's a reason that that's the talk because he's the number three pick and the offense

00:39:20isn't cutting it. And to co-reset hasn't, you know, goes another week, not having a great day,

00:39:25excuse me, not having a great game. But before we dive in to all of it here, Taylor, uh, let's talk

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00:40:40are one in three and look to be getting worse before they get better. And that's why I want

00:40:45to transition to this. And we hit it a little bit on the head earlier about the quarterback position

00:40:50and Brissette and Drake May and things like that. And look, I think from the outside looking in,

00:40:56and I feel like a broken record here because we unfortunately have to do this every single week,

00:40:59but there was this plan and it was draft the quarterback, bring in a veteran,

00:41:04let the quarterback learn behind the veteran and ease him into your offense.

00:41:08Get your offensive line figured out and then give the quarterback a soft landing spot and

00:41:13ease him into it because the roster is not that good. They know that. And they got burned

00:41:18from putting in a quarterback in Matt Jones into the system that early before.

00:41:23So they want to be safe. They want to be careful. It all makes sense. It's all well and good.

00:41:27Now you think about it. And I had this grand plan before the season where it's week five and

00:41:32it's Miami and Tom Brady's on the call and you figure out the offensive line by then. However,

00:41:36first of all, Tom Brady's not on the call next week. That's according to Mike Reese. He,

00:41:39he noted that they're not going to put him on the call because no Tua, no Drake May.

00:41:44It's not a great landing spot. It's not, it's not a great, uh, prime time game,

00:41:47rather four Foxes, a one crew. So that's out the window, but also this offensive line

00:41:53is getting worse, not getting better. There's more attrition. The Zach Thomas was the only

00:41:58healthy backup offensive lineman, uh, by the time, uh, or after Kate and Wallace and David

00:42:04Andrews get injured rather. And now you're, you would potentially put him out there with

00:42:08the mantra Jacobs at left tackle again, if a daring low can't get healthy, no backup there

00:42:11and Kate and Wallace, because he's goes down. You mentioned it. You saw on Twitter, he's on

00:42:15crutches and, uh, obviously David Andrews goes down and it may be Nick Lervett moving forward,

00:42:21depending on the severity of his injury. It was a shoulder and he didn't return. So

00:42:26I guess I'll kick it to you and ask maybe a little bit more of a deep dive on when you

00:42:31think this Drake may think, uh, could even happen this season, because before the show,

00:42:35we were talking about if this offensive line doesn't get better and it continues to get worse

00:42:40and people continue to get it, to get injured. And you continue to have the grab guys off the

00:42:45scrap heap and throw in a left tackle here and throw in a left tackle here.

00:42:48Is it even worth playing him at all this season? And people are going to hate hearing that they're

00:42:52going to hate hearing that we're going to try and say that maybe you redshirt Drake may, but

00:42:58I wonder if there's a chance they do it, giving, giving the disaster right now

00:43:02going on on that offensive line. I don't think you, I don't think you can afford to redshirt them.

00:43:06Even if things are bad, I think he has to go out there at some point. So you can show

00:43:10again, like the whole thing was, this is a successful season. If free agents and trade

00:43:14candidates look at this team and say, Oh, that young quarterback can actually sling it. I would

00:43:18like to play for him. We just need to give him more help. Now. I thought that we would see Drake

00:43:24in October and that's, that's the timeline that I've been saying. I didn't like the idea of not

00:43:29playing him until like that last four game stretch. Cause we can see on the calendar,

00:43:33there's clear checkpoints or like that last month you have the five week. Then you have

00:43:37Josh Allen, twice, Justin Herbert guys that Drake may was compared to. And then obviously

00:43:41Marvin Harrison jr. Who, you know, a bunch of people were debating whether the Patriots should

00:43:45have taken him or taken Drake may the reality with this offensive line is one. They need to get

00:43:54healthy right now. Feels like it's asking a lot because even the guys that are in there aren't

00:43:59fully healthy right now, like, because obviously like city. So, and if you get the Darien low or

00:44:05David Andrews back in the lineup, they're probably still going to be dealing with something

00:44:08on top of that. You still have people out of position where you have Mike and when you would

00:44:12tackle when he's, I mean, I think he was actually pretty solid today against Bosa from what I didn't

00:44:16really hear his name very often. But even still, you'd like the interior to be Mike and when,

00:44:21who, because that's at least one top tier type player who you can figure he's going to play

00:44:26pretty well. The left side, even if it's some combination of like laid in or city or whoever's

00:44:32playing better, like I still at least want that left guard spot to be whoever you think is the

00:44:36best player at guard outside of the money. But I don't even know if it's realistic to put Mike

00:44:41and when you inside, that's the hard part. Like I know people don't like to listen to, Oh, all

00:44:45these other guys have bad offensive lines, but like they don't even it's Oh my God.

00:44:49Jacoby's put us in such a difficult position because I want to say, why do you say that?

00:44:54Why do you say you don't know if it's feasible to put Mike on the inside? Because I also think

00:44:58that that was sort of the example. Oh yeah. I thought you were moving forward, but okay. Yeah,

00:45:04no, that's fair. Depending on what happens right now, we're talking like maybe weeks before he's

00:45:10back or at least, and this was a rookie was already struggling in some ways. Now you're

00:45:14talking about him having to deal with what could be a significant injury. So one, I think it's

00:45:17going to take a while for this offense to get healthy and put guys out there. They have confidence

00:45:21in, then I think it's going to take a while for them to start to gel. That's going to be at least

00:45:24like a three, four week process. And this is difficult because Jacoby is starting to play at

00:45:31a trajectory where you literally, it's, it's very hard to justify keeping them out there.

00:45:36I think he still has buy-in from his teammates. I feel like when they look back on the pick,

00:45:40they'll be like, damn, Fred Warner's a beast, but he also fumbled a ton. So it's like, ah,

00:45:44yeah, but you were also putting the ball in harm's way quite a few times. And that's what I was

00:45:48saying. It's one thing. If he's not making big plays, it's another, if he's not making big plays

00:45:52and turning the ball over. And if that continues, I think you're going to hit a brick wall where

00:45:56it's like, we literally have to play the kid, even if he's not ready because Jacoby is just

00:46:01not giving us any chance to win. Again, I think this was a week where they did not lose because

00:46:05of Jacoby. Ramondre fumbled the run game. It was up and down. I'm not going to blame the run game,

00:46:10but the defense, you know, in the first half didn't play well enough. Jacoby was not the reason,

00:46:14but there were also several times where it's like, Jacoby, you're putting this team in a bad spot

00:46:18because we're leaving plays on the field. You're putting the ball in, you know, really shady spots.

00:46:23That's where it gets really difficult because realistically, I think that could force the

00:46:27earliest timeline for Drake May where at some point the locker room starts to not be behind

00:46:32Jacoby anymore. And I think the way they see him taking hits, like we heard Hunter Henry say,

00:46:36I love playing with Jacoby. He's a warrior. I think they respect him for that. And that's buying

00:46:40him time despite the fact that he's not the most physically talented guy. But I think they're going

00:46:44to hit a wall where they're like, we really can't go any further with this guy. We need someone who

00:46:48can elevate the offense. But then I also think you have to consider what the offensive line looks

00:46:52like because if you have multiple backups and a rookie, that's a, that's just not a fair spot.

00:46:59Right. Much less Drake May. So I think the most realistic timeline, honestly,

00:47:04maybe that last month of the season where you have as much time as possible to try to get

00:47:08your offensive line healthy and figured out, but also things can get worse. More people can get

00:47:13hurt. And like, this is just such a bad position. And like, we're guessing I've never seen anything

00:47:18like this before. I am just trying to, I'm just trying to make sure they don't get their massive

00:47:23investment killed or put him in a position where he starts to deteriorate mentally because he

00:47:29doesn't have enough confidence to go out there and stick to his fundamentals and be able to do

00:47:33things that are repeatable. And that's with anybody. It's not about Drake May. This will

00:47:37happen with everybody. You're talking about Caleb Williams running around. You think if he doesn't

00:47:41have a whole season of this, you're not going to start to see the good in his game, start to kind

00:47:44of go away because he's thinking too much like a guy like Jacoby percent who even last year with

00:47:49the commanders dude was slinging it when he came in and relief for Sam, how I was not expecting

00:47:54the version of Jacoby we've gotten. And I think the protection has something to do with that.

00:47:57And that's a veteran quarterback. So I just don't think there's a lot of good options to be very

00:48:03honest with you. I know that Drake may has to start this year. It is going to happen as much

00:48:08as I don't want to see it happen sooner. I think that might happen. And I feel like I'm

00:48:13just going to have to throw my hands up and be like, this is what you feel is best. You know,

00:48:17it is what it is. You already are in a really shitty position, but I feel like I'm talking

00:48:21in circles. No, it's a tough way. It's not an easy discussion to have. And I'm trying to see

00:48:26all the angles of it and different arguments do make sense. But like, I just don't like

00:48:31people being so willy nilly to just throw Drake may out there with such bad past protection.

00:48:35And then people say, Oh, it's not just the past pros fall. Of course, it's also Jacoby's,

00:48:39but Drake is going to make mistakes too. And those mistakes can be magnified because his

00:48:43supporting cast is worse. Of course, there's going to be the chunk plays and things Jacoby can't do.

00:48:47He's also going to make mistakes that Jacoby wouldn't even make. Right. So, you know, we need

00:48:52to see this from all angles to understand it's not as straightforward as, Oh, we got to put the kid

00:48:55in because it really is not that simple. It's not that simple. And I think that the part that's

00:49:00tough Taylor is the fact that, you know, you mentioned it, it may get worse here and there's

00:49:04not, it's not a sure thing that it gets better. And I think that this plan that we're going to,

00:49:12we're going to ease him in soft landing spot, make sure it's a perfect thing. I, I, I agree.

00:49:18And I think that that's the best option for it. I just don't know if that's there. And so then

00:49:22you're kind of turning against, at least as an organization, what you originally wanted to do,

00:49:27and you're throwing them out there when you don't think he's ready. And then what, if it goes wrong,

00:49:31then you look back and you regret it. And you say, well, why do we put them in there so early?

00:49:34And there's so many, exactly. And so that's why, and that's why it just, it, it's tough. There's

00:49:43no right answer either way. People are going to be happy. People are going to be off no matter

00:49:47what happens. I just, I agree with you at this point. I wonder if, if, or excuse me, I wonder

00:49:54if it's as early as the October, November, or if it's more like late November, December,

00:49:59where we actually see this guy now, Jacoby reset after the game says, uh, tough that we can't put,

00:50:04uh, we can't spot them to turn of was like that. I think that's where it's store it,

00:50:08where it starts. And then it comes back down to fundamentals and execution.

00:50:11He did also talk about that interception. Taylor, you were wondering what he had to say. He said

00:50:16we had an end cut coming, coming open behind the backers hats off to Fred Warner. He made a great

00:50:20play, but I put a bad ball out there. I think there's a better throw. I think a better throw

00:50:26would have picked up the first down. So I don't think he's necessarily mad at his decision,

00:50:30but he's mad at the football. Maybe throw it over Fred Warner. Maybe I don't know,

00:50:34throw it earlier, whatever the case may be. And then asked again about getting hits.

00:50:38It's one of those where like, just as a viewer, I feel, I would feel like a jerk for just kind

00:50:43of putting it on him when I don't know from his perspective. So that is very helpful. So yes,

00:50:48I think we all know it was on Jacoby, but I just wanted to know the minutia of what exactly he

00:50:52thought he did wrong. So that is very helpful. And then he's asked again, if he can make it

00:50:56through 17 games this way. And he just said, I'm just going to keep getting up. That's all I can

00:50:59do. That's all I'm going to keep doing. So man, it's like physically cannot. Yeah, it's tough.

00:51:05Like I, I do. I feel for him. You see him wincing every single play he gets up, he gets slow. And

00:51:10it's like this poor guy is just out there taking a beating and whether it's his fault, whether it's

00:51:15not, you can't help, but feel bad for the fact that he's out there just going just getting his

00:51:21butt kicked day in, day out, game in game out. And the Patriots fall, the one in three looks

00:51:26like it's getting worse before it's getting better. Uh, what, what, what are the faces for

00:51:31this? Who drank my beer in the comments? I think I don't think anybody drank your beer. I think you

00:51:36did. I saw some people calling for Mayo's job. Oh, wow. Brian Heinz says it's still Drake May

00:51:43week five. He really wants Drake Bay out there next week. Taylor. Okay. So we talked about what

00:51:48they could do, what they should do. Analyzing it. Do you think, or I'm sorry, do you want Drake

00:51:55May out there next week? Do you think they should just do it? Like, what are your thoughts on it?

00:51:59Selfishly? Like, yeah, even selfishly still selfishly, but realistically like using my

00:52:05brain, I do not think that is smart, but I also fully acknowledge that your Kobe is holding this

00:52:11offense back even more than it already is because it's personnel issues. Like I'm not out here

00:52:16saying, though, we have to keep giving Jacobi chances. I don't think that's it. I just don't

00:52:20want them to ruin Drake May. It's literally as simple as that. Like after this game, I respect

00:52:24the hell out of Jacobi, but like, I'm off the, you know, all we got to like give them. I, and

00:52:29I've said, I've been consistent. I said, after last week, I was like, give me one more week.

00:52:33I want to see if he can improve, start pushing the ball down. Now it's like, you got to show me,

00:52:36I'm not, I'm not going to assume that you were going to improve. And especially with him being

00:52:41under fire, I don't think it's reasonable to expect him necessarily improve. So yeah, I mean,

00:52:45of course I want to see Drake May as soon as possible. I just don't think it's a responsible

00:52:49choice. All right. I have one more question for you before we wrap it up. Thoughts on Alex Van

00:52:54Pelt today, because I thought, I think the last two weeks and I I'm a fan of Alex Van Pelt. I

00:53:00think he he's someone who can, can call a solid system. I think he's someone who is a career

00:53:04offensive guy who is a solid person to have in the room alongside, you know, a TC McCartney

00:53:12to develop a quarterback. But after the last two weeks, I'm kind of not sure about him as a play

00:53:17caller Taylor. I'm really not. There was some, the beginning of the jets game. We talked about

00:53:21it a lot last week. Didn't make sense where they tried to use the play action before establishing

00:53:25a run. And then this week, two plays that really stand out to me are the fourth and one run up the

00:53:30gut where there was no creativity. There was nothing there. And then the play call on fourth

00:53:36and five, where you got to give Jacoby a deep shot down the sideline and you almost got lucky

00:53:41that it was a nice, excuse me, almost got lucky with the first down, but they obviously don't

00:53:46come down with it. And then the other one is the hook and ladder. Like a lot of people were saying,

00:53:51I think that was a ticky tack call on Taekwondo. And I actually thought that was, so do I,

00:53:55I agree. It was a cool play. I don't hate the situation. Like everyone's saying like,

00:54:00save that for the AFC championship game, save that for the AFC. Like the lions ran it last week and

00:54:05they got it. So everybody loved it, but they also ran it in a week three game. Like, so I don't

00:54:10really understand the save that for someone, something else because you know, desperate times

00:54:13call for desperate measures. You're down two scores. You can get a first down call the play,

00:54:18but at the same time, I can also see it from that lens where, okay, why are you calling this now?

00:54:22You're going to lose the game anyway, save it for, you know, next year. Or if you have a game where

00:54:27Drake may comes in and you win five games or whatever the case may be long story short,

00:54:32some strange play calls, some not great plate calls from Alex van Pelt. So I asked you,

00:54:36where are you at with AVP through four weeks as a play caller and as the OC for this team?

00:54:41I will say one thing people keep saying that the Patriots can't run outside zone. And I've

00:54:44been saying, I think they can figure it out if they have good chemistry Patriots on seven outside

00:54:49zone carries the most of any carry they had averaged 5.3 yards per carry. Nothing else

00:54:55that they ran multiple times, even averaged three. Okay. So just want to do that real quick. Sure.

00:55:02I will say the fourth downs were really rough for me. The first one I was like, all right,

00:55:07you know what, you can at least pin San Francisco in their own territory. I didn't love the decision

00:55:13to like try to get the fake and then, you know, punt it, or especially considering that they like

00:55:17threw it. And I didn't love that. I think them throwing told you that they wanted to pick it up

00:55:22there and they didn't really feel it was real fourth down territory. So I didn't love that.

00:55:27The second one was egregious though. Cause you come out in a look, a heavy look, you try to

00:55:32catch to be fair. They did almost catch them. One guy jumped. He just didn't go on the other

00:55:36side of the line of scrimmage. Honestly, smart by the offensive line, not trying to touch him

00:55:39almost worked, but didn't. But then you come out, you wanted up the gut from that is my pet peeve.

00:55:45Especially a yard is a long way to go in the NFL. Happy yard, like fourth and it just maybe

00:55:50I'll give you a little bit because that's like, it's not that far to go. That looked like such

00:55:54a long yard. I, as soon as they handed it off, I'm like, you have to have some kind of like

00:56:00misdirection or like jet motion or something. Nothing. I hated that. That was ugly. Um,

00:56:05I liked the other port down where they actually had the play action and then threw it to Austin

00:56:08hoop. That was awesome. That was a great play. Um, and I need to still like actually be able

00:56:12to see the plays and sequencing and everything because it's so hard. Like I'm not a coach.

00:56:16It's really hard for me to pick up on those things live in game, unless it's like egregious mistakes,

00:56:20but I will say that the second fort down, and then you can lump in the first one if you want

00:56:25as well. I wouldn't blame you. I'm just kind of on the fence about it. Um, I didn't like that at

00:56:29all. So I really want to see it. Also, there were a couple of things where they used Antonio Gibson

00:56:33in motion and packages. They had previously used Hunter Henry or DeMario Douglas. At least one of

00:56:38them got blown up. Cause I think they had a pretty decent idea of what was coming. Um, I think

00:56:42somebody tweeted at me that there may have been an execution thing where maybe we're moderating,

00:56:46get out quickly enough. These are all things that we'll figure out more tomorrow. Um,

00:56:50but yeah, there were definitely moments from Alex Van Pelt. I did not like, uh,

00:56:54I'm going to have to go back to the, uh, to the tape and find out for sure. But for right now,

00:56:58I'm giving him like C minus. I don't want to go D plus. Cause I feel like I would have really had

00:57:03to hate the game plan and there were some good things, but definitely that fourth down just

00:57:07really just sticks in my brain. It's like, can you think of any other egregious play calls that

00:57:11he had the fourth and five? I want to see it again. I want to see it again because I, I admittedly

00:57:18didn't see the entire play, but I hated alert. Yeah. I hated the decision by Jacobi. So I don't

00:57:23know if I hate the play call or if I just hate the decision, which is why I want to go back and see

00:57:27it. Um, but yeah, the fourth and one was brutal. Um, but I liked that you said Taylor that we're

00:57:32going to go, you're going to dive into it and we're going to figure out what actually happened

00:57:35because me and Taylor have a lot of work to do to get you guys informed as possible on the Patriots

00:57:4030 and 30 to 13 loss to the 49ers. So we'll be back. Uh, we'll be back tomorrow with a mailbag.

00:57:46So shoot us your questions. We'll ask for it on Twitter. Um, we'll be back with some film

00:57:51on Tuesday. So we're going to take tonight, tomorrow, dive into it. We'll have some written

00:57:55stuff up on the website, uh, and some breakdowns on Twitter and things like that to figure out what

00:58:00actually happened here. Um, and then we'll be back this week for a bunch of other content on

00:58:04Pat's daily. So, uh, I think that's going to do it for us here, Taylor on our post game show,

00:58:09unless you have any final thoughts that you really feel like you had to get off your chest in this

00:58:12one. No, I'm emotionally exhausted. I think I agree. It's, it's tough. The quarterback position,

00:58:18the offensive line continues to be ugly. Um, can't get anything going on offense,

00:58:22even though the defense had some solid bright spots, there was also, uh, continued struggles.

00:58:27We, especially from the linebacker position, some in the secondary as well. Uh, and they lose,

00:58:32they let up 30 points to Brock party, let him run wild early in the game. Uh, and a bunch of

00:58:36injuries as well. Kyle Duggar goes down, uh, Keon white got hurt. He ended up coming back,

00:58:41but Caden Wallace, David Andrews, leave the game on the offensive line and don't return.

00:58:45So also I want to say real quick, good game who drank my beer. I'm all right. We'll talk as long

00:58:50as we all bring it together. We're all on the same page here. We all want Drake May. We all

00:58:54want to see this team do well. We don't want to cover a bad team. We're really just looking out

00:58:58for the kid. That's all. But again, we're all on the same page. We love y'all. I think I like this

00:59:03guy now. He's fun. Yeah. He was upset. We're upset too. We're upset too. So I'd like a beer.

00:59:10Yeah, we should, we should go get beers. Uh, but again, thanks to everyone for tuning in.

00:59:14Uh, I liked the banter. I appreciate the banter. Just be respectful. Me and Taylor both agree with

00:59:18that. But anyway, yeah, yeah. There's, there's almost a thousand of you guys watching this

00:59:23thing guys and gals. So we appreciate you. Uh, but we'll be back tomorrow on Pat's day. We'll

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00:59:46We appreciate any, uh, super chats we tackle straight. Yeah. I don't hate it. I mean,

00:59:52honestly, uh, they, they need the help. They need all the help they can get on the offensive line.

00:59:56Uh, but long story short Patriots fall 30 to 13 to the Niners fall to one and three,

01:00:01a lot more questions than answers out of this one. So we'll see where they go from here.

01:00:05They take on Miami next week on Sunday from Gillette stadium. So thank you for tuning in.

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