Kya Chairman PTI Ko Cipher Case Mein Relief Mila Hai?? Saqib Bashir Shares inside news
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00:00 In this regard, we have two senior reporters with us, Chaudhary and Saqib Basheer.
00:05 14 cases have been closed in one day.
00:09 Saqib, tell me, in these 14 cases, in one day, one case has been closed and one has increased in importance.
00:17 Did the former Prime Minister get relief in the Cypher case?
00:20 Absolutely, he got relief.
00:22 The chairman of PTI has been saying from the first day that the trial should be opened.
00:26 The judge's statement was not correct.
00:28 He was sentenced to three months in prison.
00:32 It was the first day that he got two days of relief.
00:35 The judge's statement was questioned by the Islamabad High Court.
00:39 It was not the work of the executive, but the work of the judiciary.
00:42 The open trial, whether the trial should be held in jail or not,
00:45 was also the work of the judiciary, not the executive.
00:49 But both these things were done by the executive.
00:51 This was the question mark, due to which the judges said that the process of jail trial
00:57 was not fulfilled in the eyes of the High Court.
01:04 The Attorney General was not able to convince the public.
01:08 The Attorney General was present.
01:09 As soon as the stay was made, they tried to stop it.
01:12 They said, "You can do it by tomorrow, but we will bring the entire record."
01:15 But they said, "No, we are staying."
01:17 There is another reason for this.
01:19 In the last hearing, Justice Mia Gul Hassan-O-Rafzaib said very clearly
01:23 that you should not build a trial that will be scattered tomorrow.
01:27 And the trial that is being done behind the bars of jail, which trial will it be?
01:31 These were the questions that the Attorney General asked.
01:33 He said, "Prove to yourself that this is an open trial, openness."
01:38 In fact, Indira Gandhi was also given an example.
01:41 Yes, the Supreme Court of the jail trial of the Indira Gandhi murder case.
01:46 The Supreme Court said that it was an open trial because there was access to the international media.
01:53 Today, there was another big thing.
01:55 The Attorney General said three times, "Open trial, open trial, open trial."
02:00 He said, "In what era are you living?"
02:02 This is the thing that the federal government could not convince.
02:06 Two days ago, the federal government acted.
02:09 The Cabinet gave the jail trial a mandate.
02:12 The court raised a very important question on this.
02:14 The federal government may not be able to answer this.
02:17 They say that if you think that the federal government was also necessary,
02:22 then what will be the status of the trial before this?
02:25 You did not officially accept it.
02:27 If it was not necessary, then why did you get it approved?
02:30 This is the question that the judge did not answer.
02:34 I am trying to understand that it is a stay order for two days.
02:37 After two days, the trial will start again.
02:39 Either are you seeing this headed towards an open trial?
02:42 Yes, I am seeing it heading towards an open trial.
02:44 The lawyer of Salman Akhrabi Raja is especially concerned that
02:48 it may be considered as a failure of the previous trial.
02:51 If the court is convinced that the judge's decision was not correct,
02:55 then the open trial will be held.
02:57 The judicial process was to be held, but the executive did not do it.
02:59 Similarly, the process was not followed in the case of the open trial.
03:03 Then the previous trial will have a question mark.
03:07 So, this could be considered a missed trial.
03:10 The biggest thing is that the open trial has been going on for the past two to three months.
03:15 The prosecution wants to keep it confidential.
03:18 Why are you keeping it confidential?
03:20 If the case is open and straight, there is evidence, proof, everything is there,
03:25 then what is the reason to keep it confidential?
03:27 I think that when the trial is open, everything will be open,
03:30 the media will go there.
03:31 Like the case of Tosha Khana was going on in the session court,
03:35 there was an open trial.
03:37 We covered that.
03:38 We can give observations on that as a journalist and a court reporter.
03:42 What are the gaps in the trial that have not been fulfilled?
03:46 In the future, the trial will be over in the appeal.
03:50 Similarly, in this case too,
03:52 we need to be there for accurate reporting.
03:55 Obviously, the mood of the judge and the High Court is that
04:00 the presence of the court reporters should be there.
04:04 This trial should go ahead.
04:06 Another trial will be in the jail.
04:08 Another jail trial, Hussain, your case worth 190 million pounds,
04:11 and the jail trial of Tosha Khana is also going to start.
04:13 There too, the presence of the reporters has been talked about to make the presence credible.
04:17 In that, the judicial demand has been rejected.
04:19 Yes, absolutely.
04:20 First, let me add one thing.
04:21 In the Cipher case, Justice Miyangol has said a very important thing in the beginning,
04:26 that only the family members should be allowed to sit.
04:30 We cannot call it an open court, an open trial,
04:33 because a few days ago, the family members were allowed to sit.
04:37 Secondly, she has also said that the individual who has been convicted in this case,
04:41 how it has happened, in a very hasty manner,
04:44 so this is not a fair trial.
04:48 As far as you have talked, 190 million pounds,
04:51 you remember that the arrest was made.
04:53 Today, it was settled in the High Court at the time,
04:56 and it was settled in the jail as well.
04:58 The most interesting thing that we observed today,
05:01 is that where is the notification of today's jail trial?
05:04 We went to the court all day, to the second court, to the third court, to the High Court,
05:08 we contacted the Ministry of Justice, but we did not get any notification from anywhere.
05:11 Then we found out at 1 to 1.30 pm that the NAB team has reached the jail.
05:16 Now, how did they reach the jail?
05:18 There must have been some notification.
05:19 There was no notification from the Ministry of Justice.
05:20 No, not yet.
05:21 And the judge, the court, they themselves told the journalists that
05:24 the notification has not come yet, we are waiting for it.
05:26 After a while, we found out that the judge also went to jail.
05:30 And then the notification came at 4.45 pm.
05:33 What was happening?
05:35 After that, when the notification was issued at 4.45 pm from the Ministry of Justice,
05:39 when we got it, we reported it at 4.45 pm.
05:41 We reported it at 4.45 pm.
05:43 By that time, let's say that half of the hearing had already taken place.
05:47 We kept looking all day, we did not get the cipher on the first day that the jail trial was held.
05:52 And closed trial.
05:53 Today, the notification of the NAB case trial was not available.
05:57 High Court, Ministry of Law, even KNAB didn't have it at that time.