Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 20th November 2023
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Barrister Gohar Ali khan (Lawyer)
- Rana Tanveer Hussain PMLN
- Nadeem Afzal Chan PPP
"Bilawal ko aisi baat nahi karni chahiye jis par log hanse...," PML-N leader Rana Tanveer
Should Zardari retire from politics? Nadeem Chan's interesting analysis
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Barrister Gohar Ali khan (Lawyer)
- Rana Tanveer Hussain PMLN
- Nadeem Afzal Chan PPP
"Bilawal ko aisi baat nahi karni chahiye jis par log hanse...," PML-N leader Rana Tanveer
Should Zardari retire from politics? Nadeem Chan's interesting analysis
Follow the ARY News channel on WhatsApp: https://bit.ly/46e5HzY
ARY News is a leading Pakistani news channel that promises to bring you factual and timely international stories and stories about Pakistan, sports, entertainment, and business, amid others.
Transcript
00:00 As-salamu alaykum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:13 Obviously, the political atmosphere is of an election.
00:16 So, you will hear a lot of statements.
00:18 Obviously, you will see differences.
00:20 Political parties focus their voters and supporters on themselves.
00:26 They give them a reason to vote.
00:31 There are a lot of speeches and they are very strict.
00:35 But right now, the situation has not reached the level of an election campaign.
00:41 Most of the manifestos are being discussed.
00:43 It seems that the Muslim League is being negotiated.
00:47 They are meeting with different political parties in Quetta.
00:51 Seat adjustments are being discussed.
00:53 But the election campaign has not started yet.
00:56 People's Party campaign seems to have started by Bilawal.
01:00 Even today, he was saying in his speech that after Quetta, Punjab will be called and Punjab will go.
01:05 KP will be called and KP will go.
01:07 But what is special in the speech?
01:09 Whether it is a press conference or a speech, Bilawal Bhutto is taking on PM election.
01:14 And whatever discussion is being held is either about the level playing field or the Muslim League.
01:22 Bilawal has made a very open criticism in the last few days.
01:25 Let me introduce him first.
01:27 Nadeem Abdul Salman is present with us.
01:29 Thank you very much from the Pakistan People's Party.
01:31 Barrister Gauhar is present with us.
01:33 He is a lawyer but he is translating the Pakistan Justice Movement.
01:36 And Rana Tanveer is present with us from the Muslim League.
01:38 Rana, thank you too.
01:39 But in the last few days, there was a demand for a level playing field.
01:47 Zardari gave a statement. He said that the country is moving towards a transparent election.
01:52 I have full confidence in the election commission.
01:54 Yesterday, Zardari gave a statement.
01:57 He said that he has hope that the election commission and the administration will conduct transparent elections.
02:03 On one hand, there is confidence and on the other, there is hope.
02:05 Is this a division of the inside or is it a good cop, bad cop which is also there in our politics.
02:14 I will start with Rana Tanveer.
02:25 I will come to you and ask you how you see this division of the inside.
02:29 Rana, remove the women from the Punjabi community.
02:33 Let the youth come forward.
02:35 You have directly caught me.
02:41 I have a 70-year-old father sitting in front of me. What can I do?
02:45 I think he is against all women.
02:49 I am on the lighter side. There is no change in experience.
02:54 Finally, the need for women is there.
02:58 Bilawal Sahib also needs a lot of supervision.
03:02 I didn't think that these statements were coming.
03:05 You explained to me in your intro that the facts are like this.
03:10 These things happen in the election.
03:14 I think we should say something that people don't laugh at.
03:19 When they say that they have been doing this for 16 months, you tell me, Kashif sahib.
03:25 The financial laws and obligations that have come in the cabinet,
03:35 everything, whether it is the finance minister's summary or anything else,
03:40 was approved by the cabinet.
03:42 You know that there is a decision by Mustafa.
03:49 When it came there, I will tell you,
03:54 the most important thing, which we used to praise,
03:58 the input that was made, or the correction that was made,
04:05 was made by the ministers of the PPP.
04:08 They were praised in the last speech of the House.
04:12 This is right, sir. No one can say that this is done for 16 months.
04:15 The people's party cannot say that we did it.
04:17 Because you are part of the cabinet, you have the choice of being in the cabinet also.
04:20 But sir, we are talking about the level playing field.
04:23 Do you think there is a level playing field at this moment?
04:26 Absolutely. There are some things that a party that has been in the cabinet,
04:33 they have done some things that they have spoiled all their affairs for me.
04:39 The 9th incident was the culmination of that thought or movement
04:45 that was taking that party to one side and it happened on the 9th.
04:49 So I think it will have to happen because our conditions in the country,
04:54 every institution is very strong, every institution is very important
04:59 and it should be strong, the institutions should be established,
05:03 it should be strong, only then the system will move forward.
05:06 But we are a security state. In my opinion, this is my wish.
05:11 Sir, we should have a welfare state instead of a national security state.
05:15 No, there will be a welfare state.
05:17 My Kashif sir talks about it, so don't go ahead.
05:21 Tell me, if your enemy is sitting on the eastern border,
05:25 who can't even see you, on the other hand, you are not comfortable on the western border,
05:32 then you say that here we are, what you are talking about, a welfare state,
05:37 there should be a welfare state, who is not?
05:39 Sir, the same enemy is on the moon, just out of the question.
05:42 No, listen to me, if you keep talking in this way, in the air or utopia,
05:48 you will keep talking, idealism will keep coming.
05:51 Sir, where is utopia, I am telling you the facts.
05:53 My matter is not going the way it should be in Pakistan.
05:56 The reason is that things work like this,
06:00 see, I also have the same thing that there should be a welfare state,
06:04 or there should be a milk-milk union,
06:06 there should be a law and order, there should be a parliament,
06:09 there should be a civil and supremacy, all these things work.
06:13 But you also know, everyone knows, by talking or shouting slogans,
06:19 I feel everything is fine, everything is good.
06:22 So I think these things are in front of you.
06:25 So you are saying, don't even shout slogans, let the engine run.
06:27 No, let the engine not run.
06:29 You give a good governance, you deliver, I am talking about the elected government,
06:35 you perform, our institutions do the right work,
06:39 then I think everything will be fine.
06:43 If you are not performing, you are not delivering,
06:45 if you are, if these things, if this is a long debate, an academic debate,
06:49 a practical debate, I have seen it for 40 years, you have also seen it.
06:54 Sir, but Mr. Bilawal, this is fine, we will come to this later,
06:57 he also said that if such elections are held,
07:00 then when the government is formed, then another party will make noise.
07:04 So do you see this noise after the Farwar-e-Ibn-Tabir?
07:08 If I look at history, past elections, all the elections,
07:12 9 elections have been held, 85 onward,
07:15 except the non-party election of 85,
07:18 there was no party in that, you know the situation Zia-ul-Haq created.
07:22 After that, which election was there, which has no question mark,
07:26 in which it was not said that it is manipulated,
07:30 and which regime is it?
07:32 So were all these allegations correct in your opinion?
07:34 I was absolutely correct.
07:36 So is it your failure that after 85, you could not hold an election fair?
07:40 No, election fair is the same thing, that if you say, then elections are not fair.
07:45 You know, I also know that things, if you,
07:49 civilian government, see, now what can I say in that,
07:54 it is the election commission, it is the responsibility of the election commission,
07:57 what are the powers, tell me, the constitution,
08:00 which needs to be corrected, I say the constitution,
08:03 which is a fractured constitution at the moment,
08:06 over a period it has gone into this state,
08:09 that it is necessary to sit and see where, where, where,
08:12 the weaknesses are in the constitution,
08:15 one article is not giving the other solution, from the other article,
08:18 I will come to this, but then, what is this news going on,
08:22 that in the 18th amendment, more amendments,
08:25 the NFC award will be changed, when your government comes, is this right?
08:28 Not just the NFC award, I think,
08:31 I will tell you, my personal opinion, I have been for a long time,
08:34 I think since the 18th amendment, but when the 18th amendment was being done,
08:37 at that time also I had done the chief officer,
08:40 I remember, Mr. Raza Rebani,
08:43 I think he remembers, so I said, give me a chance,
08:46 I want to come here and talk a little, I want to tell something,
08:49 I think what is happening, I want to give my input in it,
08:54 so he said, because you have a representation,
08:57 Mr. Raza Rebani, Mr. Rizwan Dar, Mr. Mehta Abbasi,
09:00 or some other, I don't remember, you tell them,
09:03 don't tell me or don't tell the committee,
09:06 see these things, at that time I was not in his favor,
09:09 100%, some things are better, but I went to him,
09:12 on TV, in front of you, I kept talking,
09:15 that personally, in the 18th amendment,
09:18 it should be revisited.
09:21 I will come to the 18th amendment, but then I have to talk for a long time.
09:24 So, the debate has started,
09:27 is there a division, in the issues,
09:30 between Mr. Zardari and Mr. Balawal?
09:33 First, I would like to answer Mr. Rana's question and your promo.
09:36 Not promo, I mean your set of statements.
09:39 See, in that, we,
09:42 against Imran Khan, a charge sheet,
09:45 was made by the PDM and the common supporters,
09:48 against them, what was it?
09:51 They want to bring in a new chief, they are using the army,
09:54 they are attacking the judiciary,
09:57 they are using the administration, they are giving level playing fielding,
10:00 they will do a lot of corruption in the next election,
10:03 they are putting their opponents in jails,
10:06 we have put 5-6 allegations, and we have gathered against that government,
10:09 we have trusted them.
10:12 Which of those 6 allegations, which are not happening now?
10:15 This is our,
10:18 the difference in the statements is that,
10:21 we have gathered against this thought,
10:24 we have sent a government in a similar way,
10:27 16 months later, you have killed Mr. Rana.
10:30 You are saying, don't do this, that he was doing it wrong, and we are doing it right.
10:33 Yes. If it was wrong there, it is wrong now.
10:36 This is our stance. We say, give level playing fielding.
10:39 To whom? To all political parties,
10:42 not just the people's party, we are saying this again and again.
10:45 They say, we are asking for the people's party, we are asking for everyone.
10:48 Secondly, we say, don't bend anyone's arm,
10:51 don't use institutions, don't hide behind institutions,
10:54 don't attack the judiciary,
10:57 don't politicise the administration,
11:00 don't politicise the bureaucracy, these are the allegations we are saying now,
11:03 and we are giving an example of this, that you go,
11:06 you go in any circle,
11:09 you see the head of every department from the bottom to the top level,
11:12 or you see the functional officer below him,
11:15 all the PMLN elections,
11:18 elections are being fought, I say this in simple words, elections are being fought.
11:21 Voting will be done. I mean, elections are being fought,
11:24 and they are saying that today Mr. Rana asked for so many seats.
11:27 But Mr. Chand, this is... Okay, next thing.
11:30 This is a matter of 125 seats.
11:33 Mr. Rana has said, we will take 125.
11:36 What kind of politics is this? Your party also says that
11:39 you will take 125 seats?
11:42 This is their right, and we are saying that
11:45 there should be elections, not elections.
11:48 On what basis do you say this is an election? Apart from appointments.
11:51 Look at the appointments, the arrangements, who are the ROs,
11:54 Deputy Commissioner, Assistant Commissioner, ROs,
11:57 on whose recommendation are they on? On the recommendation of PMLN candidates.
12:00 In Punjab, I challenge you,
12:03 take out the list from the Home Department,
12:06 Deputy Commissioner, DSP, Assistant Commissioner,
12:09 Chief Secretary, IG, Additional IG,
12:12 whatever is posted, Special Branch,
12:15 whatever is posted, IB, look who is doing it?
12:18 This is what happens, we know what happens in an election.
12:21 Then the work of development, the funds of others have been seized,
12:24 the funds of Noon League are being seized,
12:27 the work of development, the identification of schemes, who is doing it?
12:30 Noon League candidates are doing it.
12:33 This is not right for the system.
12:36 Next time, is there a PPP competition on every seat?
12:39 Not from Noon, but from some place, from the Jamaat-e-Islami,
12:42 from some place from PTI, from some place from someone else.
12:45 So we are not asking for every seat for ourselves.
12:48 We are saying, they say that the PPP is different from Punjab,
12:51 you have worked hard for 50 years to bring the PPP to this level.
12:54 We say that the Islamic Republic of India
12:57 should be removed from the round formula.
13:00 Look, Mr. Zardari is a senior politician,
13:03 he can see it, he can see the mention.
13:06 He is completely confident that free elections are going to happen.
13:09 No, we have no objection to the election commission so far.
13:12 When the election schedule will be announced,
13:15 look, we are giving the election commission a chance now,
13:18 it is very clear.
13:21 We do not want to raise it on the institutions like PTI,
13:24 because there is a small difference in the party,
13:27 we want free and fair elections.
13:30 No election has been ideal in this country.
13:33 I am asking my first question,
13:36 everyone is seeing that in this statement of Mr. Zardari and Mr. Bilawal,
13:39 Bilawal has built momentum and a narrative.
13:42 When Mr. Zardari's statement came,
13:45 everyone started looking at each other and said,
13:48 this is a departure from what Bilawal Bhutto is saying.
13:51 You agree with this.
13:54 I was talking to a friend of your party,
13:57 I said, I do not understand this internal disagreement,
14:00 if we meet, we will know.
14:03 I do not want to comment on this, there is no disagreement.
14:06 But this thing of Babas, Mr. Rana is my senior,
14:09 he was my father's colleague, my father has left politics, he has retired.
14:12 Sir, I am saying that my father has retired,
14:15 my uncle, uncle, father,
14:18 you can take this retirement too, stop it.
14:21 Give the youth a chance to come forward.
14:24 This is what Mr. Bilawal said.
14:27 Mr. Rana, is this advice acceptable or is it rejected?
14:30 Look, the old politicians in this country,
14:33 all of them are respectable for me.
14:36 Should Mr. Zardari retire?
14:39 I say that all senior politicians should retire.
14:42 Start from there.
14:45 If you say so, then start.
14:48 All of them are good people, everyone should retire.
14:51 Now, what Chairman Bilawal said, there must be some logic behind it,
14:54 there must be some history behind it, political thinking,
14:57 we can never think that, for these old people.
15:00 Mr. Chand, let me ask something first.
15:03 Mr. Khursheed, I will give the list of people's party,
15:06 Mr. Khursheed Shah or whoever is there, I will give the list,
15:09 start from yours, then we will do the rest.
15:12 He says that Khursheed Shah has also come in the list.
15:15 The important thing is that sometime,
15:18 the people's party will come in the list.
15:21 The people's party is the last government's part,
15:24 they have taken the benefit of it, they have brought the slogan,
15:27 they have finished their cases, so they have taken the full pledge benefit.
15:30 And this is the perfect categorical part of regime change.
15:33 These people came, they had reserved the house for this undemocratic process.
15:36 Now they are flying the promise of how much democratic process they will do.
15:39 But on the campaign trail, Mr. Bilawal said some good things
15:42 and he said some very good things, but Mr. Zardari cut it and took it to the other side.
15:47 If you say, yes.
15:49 To be fair, Mr. Zardari's statement is wrong.
15:52 Today, Mr. Bilawal's speech is more or less what he had thought.
15:56 Before this, when the code was being conducted,
15:59 we all went to the election commission, I was present in the meeting of the election commission,
16:03 Mr. Nair Bukhari had come from the people's party,
16:06 Mr. Nisar Kodo was there, Mr. Kaira was there.
16:09 He had given the demand for the charter.
16:12 Mr. Kamar Zaman Kaira said that we will also give it, this matter should be seen individually.
16:15 Later, we had a meeting with the entire election commission
16:18 that level playing field has to be provided, this is the responsibility of the election commission.
16:21 How?
16:22 I would have rather thought that...
16:24 You should have given permission for the Jalsa.
16:26 I am saying that, look, permission for Jalsa, if you don't give participation to the worker,
16:30 the worker has to participate in the process, then we will go towards the vote.
16:35 Till now, as Mr. Bilawal Zardari is saying that I am sure that the elections will be fair and free.
16:39 How will it be?
16:40 The moment the date was announced,
16:42 He said it is the hope, the belief,
16:44 Belief?
16:45 Belief, Mr. Zardari.
16:46 Belief, Mr. Zardari.
16:47 The statement that Mr. Bilawal has given today, he said that there is hope that it will be, but...
16:50 When the date was announced that elections will be held on 8th May, 8th February,
16:54 then the election campaign process started.
16:57 Now, during this time, the election commission has not taken a single step.
17:00 Not a single notification, I am telling you, our request to the election commission...
17:03 What is your symbol for this election?
17:05 Bet, Inshallah.
17:06 Inshallah.
17:07 Inshallah.
17:08 See, our expectation from the election commission is that the order for August is reserved.
17:12 You have given two letters in October, one in November, you have given the demand for the charter,
17:16 you have held the meeting, the Chief Election Commissioner has given his statement,
17:20 there is no order till now.
17:21 But, what I am saying is for the fairness of the election.
17:24 The High Court has ordered that you have permission, you can go and do the rally, you can do the convention.
17:28 We are going for the convention, our votes have been taken,
17:31 Bilawal has not condemned it.
17:33 Our ladies, I would have rather thought Bilawal would have given a statement for them,
17:38 that he brings them, he is arrested again and again.
17:41 What was our request to the election commission till now?
17:45 That, Sir, you have the power, you have to ensure that the political parties participate,
17:50 you should make a notification for everyone, for all the IGPs,
17:54 direct all the Chief Secretaries that we can issue a notification,
17:58 until 8th of February, these people have to participate, it is written in the law,
18:03 it is right, it is participating according to the code of conduct,
18:06 the election commission has not done anything till now.
18:08 And still we expect it, we hope that you will be fine,
18:12 down the line, you have not been able to do this in the election,
18:15 not been able to do it in January, delayed it,
18:17 till now, not a single step has been done,
18:19 so how can we believe that the election will be free and fair?
18:23 Or there will be a level playing field, or there will be a level playing field.
18:25 Mr. Chand, any comment on this?
18:26 See, you are asking for a level playing field, should we ask for it for everyone?
18:28 See, for everyone, it is for everyone.
18:30 Do you realize that not even one party is able to hold a Jalsa?
18:32 See, a level playing field is for everyone.
18:34 This is necessary for the country, for democracy.
18:36 For democracy, for this country, fair elections are necessary for everyone.
18:40 A single community, a single Ladla, or Ladla Plus,
18:43 that is not good for anyone, it is good for the system.
18:46 Ladla Plus code? I have heard 8 terms of Super Ladla,
18:48 I have been abroad, you know.
18:50 That Rana sir is asking, what is Ladla Plus code?
18:53 Super Ladla, there are Super Ladla's being shown in Pakistan.
18:56 Rana sir, you better tell me, I am an old man.
18:58 But, but, this is, then you will have to change the system of Pakistan.
19:04 I said, this is your failure, that Rana sir himself said that the 85th election,
19:10 because it was a non-party, after that no election was fair.
19:14 Yet, I have those politicians with me who have been doing politics for so long,
19:18 and even today you are not able to ensure that there will be no election in Pakistan.
19:21 No, look, the first election was not ideal.
19:23 But, which election was closest to ideal?
19:25 Closest to ideal was the one in 1988, the one in 70.
19:30 What are you saying sir? I know the 88th, you know.
19:32 I have lost in my life.
19:34 Not only that, you lost your legs, but people were agreed upon that they will include this first.
19:39 I have heard about the 70th.
19:40 I have spoken about this after the 85th, about the 80th,
19:42 in the 70th they say that it was a free election.
19:45 No, no, you can call this free and fair, ideal.
19:47 Look, there was political engineering in every election, at some level.
19:50 Look, political party…
19:51 The center was given, the people's party was taken over by the province,
19:54 at some place, something was done, sometimes the revolution stopped at Rahim Yar Khan,
19:57 sometimes the revolution stops at the center of Punjab, sometimes it comes to the attack pole and stops.
20:01 So, this kept happening.
20:02 Look, the election of 2024 is coming and the process that has begun,
20:05 this would be absolutely a fifth generation pre-poll rigging,
20:09 the way it is happening, because you are not allowing one party to entirely participate in the democratic process.
20:15 You are not allowing that party, which has almost 70% popular vote.
20:20 How can we gain that support into vote?
20:22 But we have that much popular support.
20:25 And this process has never happened before.
20:28 You took the 80th, 85th, 93rd, 97th, 2002, 2008, 2013, and 2016.
20:33 But in all of them…
20:34 All these things have not happened before.
20:36 Look, in all of them…
20:37 There was a great debate in the last election.
20:39 Nawaz Sharif, even though he did not participate, his party did, his workers' supporters did.
20:45 And when the election took place, ask them how many petitions they filed,
20:48 that we should have this inconstituency.
20:50 Mr. Arnab, we will come to you after this.
20:52 Look, the purpose of filing petitions is that,
20:54 there is no trust in the election.
20:56 But they did participate.
20:58 All their workers' supporters participated.
21:00 You do not have a vote, this is altogether different.
21:02 But they participated.
21:03 Even in the 11th, you went to the field.
21:06 Our workers' leadership is underground.
21:09 Why is it underground?
21:10 Look, ask them…
21:12 You are in the courts.
21:14 If you go to the courts, which court?
21:16 Which court?
21:17 The High Court would have ordered, but they would have taken money from there.
21:21 You sent Mr. Parvez Ilai 14 times to the court.
21:24 Mr. Rana, realities.
21:28 I heard you talking to each other.
21:31 Both of you are very respectable to me.
21:34 But when the PTA people talk,
21:37 or when their representative or spokesperson talks,
21:40 I am surprised.
21:42 In 2018, they did not fight the election, I did.
21:46 So, at that time, in the name of electables,
21:49 like the South Punjab was made,
21:52 electables were taken and included,
21:55 like our people took the ticket,
21:59 and during the campaign, they left their ticket.
22:04 You remember the court of Zarath, right?
22:06 Yes, that's right.
22:08 So, you say, and I know what happened in that election.
22:13 My other colleague, who was my brother, Mr. Chand, knows.
22:19 There, he knows what happened.
22:21 Who was the person at the highest level,
22:24 who was physically involved,
22:26 and how the rangers were taken,
22:30 or the people were picked up,
22:32 the interventional people were hung.
22:35 And then, in my area, even on polling day,
22:38 there was a line,
22:40 so there too, the people would go,
22:42 and say, "Stop voting on the other side."
22:45 So, saying this, I have not seen it till today,
22:48 nor will it ever happen.
22:50 So, despite that, people voted.
22:52 I don't think that saying this,
22:55 will ever be enough to get the votes.
22:58 Listen to me, I'm 70% popular.
23:03 No, no, sir, I just want to say,
23:05 it's true that when you say that no election was fair,
23:10 then there are these kinds of games.
23:12 There are questions, like political engineering,
23:16 there are big questions, sir,
23:18 which is true.
23:20 It's true, but you say,
23:22 South Punjab, Mahaz, Amritsar,
23:25 I remember there was a briefing,
23:27 there was a majority of Benazir,
23:31 I didn't get it, that's why I corrected him,
23:33 when I spoke about 88,
23:35 because at that time,
23:37 we were very close to the people's party,
23:39 I used to see what my elders used to say.
23:41 The majority came as a party,
23:43 not a simple majority.
23:45 It wasn't a single party,
23:47 that election, yes, that's correct.
23:49 I mean, that won,
23:52 it was a majority party,
23:54 a single majority party,
23:56 it wasn't a majority,
23:58 a simple majority, as they say,
24:00 but it won.
24:02 Then it became the prime minister,
24:04 that's a story too.
24:05 Everyone knows the story.
24:07 Everyone knows.
24:08 Yes, yes.
24:09 What was the compulsion,
24:11 what were the restrictions,
24:12 what were the instructions,
24:13 everyone knows, right?
24:14 Sir, but what you said,
24:16 about South Punjab,
24:19 did the same father party come to you?
24:21 I will answer all your questions.
24:23 Let's talk after the break, sir.
24:25 Permission granted, let's start after the break.
24:27 Listen to me on TV.
24:28 Yes, yes.
24:29 When people sit and talk,
24:31 I laugh.
24:33 I will start talking about Ayub Khan,
24:35 and then this and that,
24:37 how did he become popular,
24:39 how did the talk of Pakistan happen,
24:41 how did the legs were broken,
24:43 how did the 70s elections happen,
24:45 how did the T8 elections happen,
24:47 so I think this is a history,
24:50 a democratic process,
24:54 which is still there,
24:56 the way the 2018 elections happened,
24:58 you know that too.
24:59 You, man, the delimitation,
25:01 there the secretary of the election commission,
25:06 used to go to the next shift,
25:08 and here in my area,
25:09 they said, this village,
25:10 Sir, I will tell you something,
25:12 Saad Rafiq sir quit,
25:13 I agree with you,
25:15 I remember in a briefing,
25:18 Then don't sit in front of me and talk,
25:20 whose stomach is hidden, leave it.
25:22 I agree with you,
25:23 I remember in a briefing,
25:24 I asked a question,
25:25 I said, we have not learned a lesson from the past,
25:28 people are being included in the justice system,
25:30 that was all the talk on the South Punjab mask,
25:32 with whom were you calling people,
25:33 but sir, the problem is,
25:35 don't say that you are a level playing field,
25:38 at least accept this much.
25:39 Not ours, our democratic,
25:41 this was Mr. Mian's principle,
25:43 that Azad Kashmir did not have a simple majority,
25:45 of the people's party,
25:46 it was a majority party,
25:48 the way it is,
25:49 they said, no,
25:50 there is no need to break the bond,
25:51 the people's party will form a government there,
25:53 in KPK,
25:54 you know,
25:55 when this was the first time the government was formed,
25:57 here this was not a single majority party,
26:01 Mr. Mullana said to others,
26:02 we will form a union,
26:03 we will unite against them,
26:05 because we have the majority,
26:07 they said, no,
26:08 first it is their right,
26:09 if they can make their majority,
26:11 then they can form a government there,
26:13 this is democratic process,
26:15 it is not like this,
26:17 that you,
26:18 at least appreciate something,
26:22 that this is history,
26:24 that in KPK their government,
26:26 Sir, he is saying,
26:27 appreciate,
26:28 but sir,
26:29 what is happening,
26:30 he is saying,
26:31 nothing is happening,
26:32 they have a lot,
26:33 Mr. Mullana,
26:34 they can't touch the soil,
26:35 he is saying,
26:36 Mr. Chand is saying,
26:37 they can't touch the soil,
26:38 they can't touch the soil,
26:39 after the break,
26:40 they have a lot,
26:41 otherwise they say one thing,
26:42 after the break,
26:43 Mr. Chand wants to say something,
26:44 after the break,
26:45 we will talk,
26:46 we will take a break,
26:47 we will come back after the break,
26:48 Welcome back Naseer,
26:51 Bilawal sir,
26:53 criticism of Pakistan People's Party,
26:55 especially criticism of Muslim League,
26:57 Mr. Chand,
26:59 Bilawal sir has said something,
27:00 he will translate it for us,
27:02 I want to tell you,
27:04 he had a lecture in Punjab,
27:06 he had spoken about it,
27:07 he was studying in school,
27:08 he says,
27:09 translate it for us,
27:10 see,
27:11 I want to confirm what Rana sir said,
27:13 that in the last election,
27:15 the thing about the Rangers,
27:16 on Muridike,
27:17 and what Rana sir said,
27:18 really,
27:19 Birgiri Raab,
27:20 Zaheer Khan,
27:21 Sunny Deol,
27:22 Ghalban,
27:23 and others were there,
27:24 then,
27:25 Rana sir had to leave one seat,
27:27 he was left out,
27:28 oh, oh, oh,
27:29 Chand,
27:30 no,
27:31 he didn't say that,
27:32 he said,
27:33 he had to leave one seat,
27:34 Chand,
27:35 no,
27:36 Chand,
27:37 come on,
27:38 Chand,
27:39 he is not a mischief every time,
27:40 I,
27:41 see,
27:42 the second thing,
27:43 that you said about Bilawal sir,
27:44 we say,
27:45 that the election,
27:46 see,
27:47 the vote,
27:48 now we have to hand over the new generation to Pakistan,
27:51 no,
27:52 what did he mean by that?
27:53 I am out on the same side,
27:54 like that,
27:55 the Lahore election,
27:56 the Zimri election that happened in Punjab,
27:57 that was also filed at that time,
27:58 after that,
27:59 the election,
28:00 so the rule was,
28:01 if you get fifteen,
28:02 then I will give you three,
28:03 after that,
28:04 no one will fight the election,
28:05 there were eleven elections,
28:06 in which three people's party won,
28:07 and eight lost,
28:08 so,
28:09 you see,
28:10 is this the same election?
28:11 no,
28:12 there were big elections,
28:13 Karachi won one seat,
28:14 you won one,
28:15 Multan won,
28:16 Multan won,
28:17 and who won the third,
28:18 only two won,
28:19 the party won,
28:20 you are saying that,
28:21 I,
28:22 I also won in Shekh Bura,
28:23 yes,
28:24 Rana sir also won,
28:25 Rana sir also won,
28:26 Rana sir also won on his strong side,
28:27 the whole team,
28:28 Imran Khan also came,
28:29 and all his bosses,
28:30 no,
28:31 Rana sir won,
28:32 because of his political wisdom,
28:33 he is not a vote bank,
28:34 no,
28:35 you are writing political politics,
28:36 but Rana sir,
28:37 people like you,
28:38 who are political people,
28:39 who work in the field,
28:40 who are from the Noon League,
28:41 or PT,
28:42 they are still not scared of the election,
28:43 now,
28:44 the people who won on the Khambay tickets,
28:45 from Lahore,
28:46 Faisalabad,
28:47 the Noon League,
28:48 Khambay ticket,
28:49 the real threat is them,
28:50 and they are putting the same rule,
28:51 that the election,
28:52 do not let the election happen,
28:53 this is not fair,
28:54 this is not,
28:55 that is not,
28:56 who is this?
28:57 there is a class,
28:58 there is a class,
28:59 there is a class,
29:00 who is this?
29:01 there is a class,
29:02 which class?
29:03 I have not heard of this class,
29:04 no,
29:05 now leave it,
29:06 I was on leave,
29:07 I think Manu will tell,
29:08 there is a lot of class,
29:09 we want that,
29:10 if you want to take this country forward,
29:11 this country is in crisis,
29:12 the democracy here is later,
29:13 first the country is in crisis,
29:14 then the democracy is in crisis,
29:15 this country is in the crisis,
29:16 what common man in this country,
29:17 who has to vote for the first time,
29:18 or has to vote for the second time,
29:19 whose generation has hope,
29:20 whose generation has hope,
29:21 has to vote for the second time,
29:22 who has to vote for the second time,
29:23 who has to vote for the second time,
29:24 who has to vote for the second time,
29:25 who has to vote for the second time,
29:26 whose generation has hope,
29:27 who has to vote for the second time,
29:28 whose generation has hope,
29:29 who has to vote for the second time,
29:30 whose generation has hope,
29:31 what answer will they get?
29:32 you keep saying,
29:33 that Mr. Bainiya has left London,
29:34 for the sake of votes,
29:35 that is a very clear thing,
29:36 that he has left,
29:37 when the father party met,
29:38 Bainiya left,
29:39 one thing,
29:40 one thing,
29:41 the people's party,
29:42 has to do this,
29:43 that the people,
29:44 the man who used to say,
29:45 that the people's party,
29:46 has to do this,
29:47 that the people's party,
29:48 has to do this,
29:49 that the people's party,
29:50 has to do this,
29:51 that the people's party,
29:52 has to do this,
29:53 that the people's party,
29:54 has to do this,
29:55 that the people's party,
29:56 has to do this,
29:57 that the people's party,
29:58 has to do this,
29:59 that the people's party,
30:00 has to do this,
30:01 that the people's party,
30:02 has to do this,
30:03 that the people's party,
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30:05 that the people's party,
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39:07 that the people's party,
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39:09 that the people's party,
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