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- Ali Muhammad Khan PTI
Is Daniyal Aziz's criticism on Ahsan Iqbal a ticket spat? - Daniyal Aziz's Reaction
"Humari Party Mein Kuch Log Aesay Hen...", Daniyal Aziz's Big Statement
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00:00 Asalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15 Today's breaking news is that in the Muslim League Noon, Daniel Aziz Sahib came to Manzir-e-Aam
00:24 and he said that he is responsible for inflation.
00:29 And if you see, there are press releases on the website of such meetings.
00:39 They mentioned how Aishan Iqbal Sahib was a part of these meetings and could not control inflation.
00:45 And that he is to blame or to be blamed for all this.
00:49 I am with Daniel Aziz Sahib. Let's know his language, how much politics is there in this,
00:54 to what extent he is close to the reality.
00:57 Daniel Aziz Sahib, Asalam-o-Alaikum.
00:59 Walikum-Salam.
01:01 Sir, there are two elements to this.
01:03 One is the inflation that Pakistan is going through at the moment.
01:06 And the second is why you have been forced to do this work.
01:10 Is it related to the internal politics of the Muslim League Noon,
01:13 is it related to the tickets of the Halka,
01:15 or is it just an honest tirade or an honest criticism of Aishan Iqbal Sahib?
01:21 If I may, I will start with the political aspect.
01:25 Then we will go into the actual reason in a few minutes.
01:30 The tickets of the Halka, the seats of the MPA,
01:33 you need those seats for your candidate, Abbas Qasim Sahib.
01:37 Aishan Iqbal Sahib wants to fight for her son, Ahmed Iqbal.
01:42 And the Muslim League Noon is with them right now,
01:46 and the tickets will be given to them.
01:48 This is the reason for your anger.
01:50 Daniyal Aziz Sahib, I am asking you a question.
01:57 Yes, yes, I was asking you a direct question.
01:59 This is the reason for your criticism.
02:02 First of all, Kashif Sahib, I want to tell you categorically,
02:05 and there is no doubt about it,
02:08 that I have not even requested for a party ticket.
02:12 On any level, from any one person,
02:14 any person from the Pakistan Muslim League Noon can tell me
02:17 that I have requested for someone,
02:19 for any ticket, leave alone Abbas Qasim,
02:22 for any ticket, I am responsible.
02:25 This is the way of deflection.
02:27 And in any case, the decision of the tickets,
02:29 the Gujarat division, I think it is on 13th,
02:31 that decision has to be made.
02:32 After that, will the cost of the tickets decrease?
02:34 Or will the date change? It won't.
02:37 Sir, but if this ticket had been made,
02:38 you might not have said it.
02:39 Let's be honest about this.
02:41 If you had gotten this ticket, I was watching your statement,
02:44 you said that you want the party to give the ticket to the one who can win.
02:47 If you want to waste the party's seat, it is their wish.
02:50 You have a very clear view.
02:51 You have a very straight view about who should get the ticket.
02:54 No, I am sorry, Mr. Kashif.
02:56 I had made an overall comment for the tickets for the whole of Pakistan.
02:59 I did not say anything about the ticket for my district.
03:02 Sir, you want to…
03:04 Okay, I will come to the point that you are doing this to Mr. Iqbal,
03:07 and this provincial administration to discourage undue profiteering,
03:10 the Minister for Planning called the National Price Control Monitoring meeting,
03:15 you also give references to the implementation status of the previous decisions,
03:20 the price was not being controlled, there was inflation.
03:22 But you are going after the third, fourth, fifth person on the ladder,
03:29 Mr. Shabaz Sharif is standing at the top of that ladder,
03:32 Mr. Ishaq Dar is standing below him.
03:34 You don't mention those who are fundamentally responsible for all this inflation.
03:39 You are talking about Mr. Iqbal.
03:42 I would like to tell you that the chairperson of the National Price Control and Monitoring Committee was Mr. Ahsan Iqbal.
03:51 And in those meetings, which are available on his website,
03:56 in the various press releases, it is said that if you see the attendance,
04:00 that is also mentioned there, there is a representative of the Ministry of Finance present.
04:04 So, he was supposed to give the direction to the finance, not the finance.
04:08 But you know, I know.
04:12 One minute, one minute, let me answer.
04:15 The steps that he has taken, those are also in those press releases.
04:19 If you think those steps are enough,
04:22 for example, nowadays he says that inflation is not related to me,
04:26 this is based on other reasons, he has mentioned the interest rate, the exchange rate.
04:31 Even if it happens, I will come and tell you how this inflation happened and who is responsible for it.
04:38 And then you will understand what is the statement, what is the research and what is the effort.
04:42 But I want to say that before I go there,
04:45 in those press releases, in those meetings, and there are countless of them,
04:49 which he has mentioned in it, that he has given the direction that you do this to the Ministry of Industries,
04:54 to the Competition Commission, to the Federal Bureau of Statistics, to the Ministry of Finance,
04:58 all were present there, Food Security, Provincial Governments were present,
05:02 if you see, if you see the attendance,
05:04 so he had to give the direction in that.
05:06 The direction that he has given, he has mentioned these things.
05:09 So why was there a conflict of interest that he did not want to take inflation to the point where it could have a real effect?
05:16 So why are you saying that Shabaz Sharif is not responsible?
05:19 Or is Shabaz Sharif also responsible?
05:21 How is Shabaz Sharif responsible?
05:23 Sir, when you took over the government, PMLN was at $172, it went to $330.
05:29 At one time, the market exchange rate went to $330+.
05:34 You took petrol at $160, that $160 petrol has gone up to $320.
05:38 Otherwise, you can do it at more than $300, wherever you want to keep it.
05:42 As soon as petrol doubles, dollar doubles, your inflation will automatically double.
05:46 You have accepted the conditions of IMF, you have made electricity expensive,
05:50 the direct impact of that will be inflation.
05:53 The direct impact of gas is inflation.
05:55 So inflation was also due to those big decisions that were made by people on a large scale,
05:59 who were Shabaz Sharif, Mifta Ismail, later Saagdaar who said that I will take care of IMF.
06:03 They have also made these decisions.
06:05 So you make 20% responsibility of inflation for Aisal Iqbal,
06:09 80% responsibility is these two people or three people.
06:12 It is not like that.
06:14 The thing is that if all those things were becoming the reason for inflation,
06:18 then the National Price Monitoring Committee is not a small level.
06:22 If you read the rules of business in Pakistan in 1973,
06:28 all their functions are written in it.
06:30 This was their work, overall economic coordination,
06:33 there is also mention of price in it, and he was its chairperson.
06:36 So if suppose there were such cases that the exchange rate was not coming under control,
06:40 then what steps did they take to bring the exchange rate under control?
06:44 They would have talked about it there.
06:46 If they had any skill, if they had any knowledge base,
06:49 which they remember today through interest rates and international prices,
06:53 they did not mention it in it.
06:55 This means that they were playing Ludo there. What were they doing?
06:58 It is possible that they were playing Ludo,
07:00 but the problem here is that when you say that Shabaz Sharif is not responsible,
07:04 Saagdaar is not responsible, then your reason comes to light.
07:08 Your stance is that Aisal Iqbal is the only responsible,
07:11 whereas the whole government will have to take responsibility for it.
07:14 Brother, you tell me one thing,
07:17 that in the whole of Pakistan, you see,
07:20 in any other department, whether it is finance, or any other department,
07:24 earlier this meeting was chaired by the finance minister,
07:27 this thought was transferred to Aisal Iqbal.
07:31 Since he came, the inflation has been rising from the roof.
07:34 Now I know why the inflation has risen from the roof.
07:37 But the point is that if their competence is only this much,
07:40 that the steps they have taken in it,
07:43 then Pakistan is standing on the brink of destruction.
07:46 So you think that they should not be made ministers again?
07:49 No, they should not go near the economy and all these things,
07:52 if this is their output.
07:54 Then what should they be made ministers of?
07:56 They have to become ministers.
07:58 Very much. Definitely make them ministers.
08:03 Make them ministers of everything. This will be the same there.
08:06 So that means, I am saying this,
08:08 let's say we make them ministers of health education,
08:12 that is also a very important place, IT is very important,
08:14 I am thinking of some other important ministry in my mind,
08:16 should we make them post office ministers?
08:18 I don't know whether the stain will reach or not,
08:21 they can tell that better.
08:23 So you are, I am saying this, you have an objection to their personality.
08:27 You say that the stain will also get spoiled if Aisal Iqbal becomes the post office minister.
08:30 No, no, you know about aptitude, you know that there are many like this,
08:36 look busy, do nothing. LBDN.
08:40 Sir, Professor is saying that they talk a lot, they don't know anything.
08:44 It is in front of you, in Pakistan, after 1947,
08:49 Pakistan Muslim League, Noon, has the most sterling record of reducing inflation.
08:54 If you look at the three governments of the last week,
08:57 if you compare them, the governments of the other Jamaats,
09:00 then Pakistan Muslim League, Noon, won 100%, they did a better job.
09:05 But here, they are not taking any action, they are not understanding.
09:10 They are taking presentations from the competition commission,
09:13 analysis is going on, everything is going on,
09:15 and you see the actions, they didn't know about it.
09:18 Or they were taking meetings for no reason, just to show that
09:21 I have to go, don't ask me the result.
09:24 If you have to go, as you yourself are saying,
09:27 it means that the team, the slogan of the team in Muslim League, Noon,
09:30 is with us, but the team is in Farah's team.
09:33 You ask them in front of you, they say that they had no connection.
09:38 First, they should admit that they were the chairperson,
09:41 and they did these meetings, and they had a son-in-law's spittle,
09:45 and they couldn't understand because they didn't talk there.
09:48 Why were they doing these meetings? To fool people?
09:50 No, for a minute, if they had no authority,
09:53 and these meetings were to fool people?
09:57 I will try to make Mr. Iqbal understand this,
10:01 but I will ask you a fundamental question,
10:03 and then I will come to the political side.
10:05 Finance, when the finance minister, Mifta Ismail,
10:09 against him, his own party, especially Ishaq Dar,
10:12 said that the articles required are a failure.
10:14 Dar came, Mifta Ismail said,
10:17 "Dar, you know, Dar is also a failure,
10:19 you don't have a finance minister,
10:21 the planning minister is a failure,
10:23 and you don't have a minister,
10:25 then what are the slogans of the team?
10:27 The team doesn't have a Muslim League,
10:29 according to all the arguments of your own party,
10:32 the expert minister is not an expert, he is a failure, don't take him.
10:37 Don't associate Mr. Mifta's words with mine,
10:41 I didn't say anything like that,
10:43 I am saying that the chairperson, the chairmen in charge,
10:46 I am criticizing their work,
10:48 and the second thing I have criticized,
10:50 our information side, our party was not able to communicate its statements.
10:54 I will come to the communication side.
10:57 One minute, one minute,
10:59 if Ahsan Iqbal believes that this inflation is due to PTI,
11:04 which I will tell you later why it happened,
11:07 this is not over, nor is it going to be over,
11:09 the people of Pakistan are asking for a solution to this,
11:12 and if we don't have a credible, believable, implementable plan,
11:16 then people will vote,
11:20 and 80% of the people are saying that this is the number one issue.
11:24 Sir, if you sell, Mr. Daniyal,
11:27 what will you sell?
11:30 If you sell a dollar at Rs. 172,000,
11:32 and take it to Rs. 330,000,
11:34 what will you sell?
11:36 If it goes through the roof,
11:38 you sell what is sellable.
11:41 So, in these meetings,
11:43 there should have been an investigation on why the dollar has gone up,
11:46 and what is the way to stop it.
11:48 But when Ahsan Iqbal took over this position,
11:51 and became the in-charge of the National Price Control,
11:54 if he believes that PTI has caused this inflation,
11:57 then where is that document, where is that inquiry?
11:59 What is the reason for it?
12:01 Specifically, tell us, how did PTI cause inflation?
12:04 Where is that story?
12:06 This is what I am saying, this is a total failure.
12:08 So you are saying that PTI did not cause inflation,
12:10 but the Noon League did.
12:12 No, I am saying that the inflation that has happened,
12:15 I will tell you later,
12:17 but for now, let us see what they have in their minds.
12:20 So you will tell us later, how did they cause inflation?
12:23 It seems like you are threatening me,
12:25 that if you don't solve my problem,
12:28 then I will blame you for everything.
12:31 No, no, it's not like that.
12:33 I didn't say that.
12:35 I will tell you later,
12:37 how inflation happened,
12:39 and who is responsible for it, not just that.
12:41 I will also tell you who benefited from it.
12:43 So, there are beneficiaries as well?
12:45 Yes, there are.
12:47 You know that inflation does not happen,
12:49 it is done.
12:51 And if it is being done,
12:53 then it is done because there is a beneficiary.
12:55 Interesting.
12:57 Rana Sanawal said,
12:59 Danyal Aziz is our brother,
13:01 if you say such anger on a ticket of a Noon League,
13:05 he wants to prevail over the whole party.
13:08 If this was the reason,
13:10 that inflation was happening because of Ahsan Iqbal,
13:12 and because of Maryam Aurangzeb,
13:14 the media was facing problems,
13:16 what would Danyal Aziz have done for 16 months?
13:18 Forget about the last 16 months,
13:23 for the last 5 years,
13:25 I have been beating my head against the wall,
13:27 and repeatedly telling my community,
13:29 that for God's sake,
13:31 the destruction that Imran Khan has caused,
13:33 the inflation that he has caused,
13:35 we should make some media strategy,
13:37 and make people understand it.
13:39 If we don't do this,
13:41 then this matter is getting worse.
13:43 And this is how Imran Khan became a hero from zero,
13:45 in just one week.
13:47 Because our media strategy was not there,
13:49 we had completely failed in those 3 years.
13:51 The PTI people used to do such a blunder,
13:53 that they were giving us in a tray and plate,
13:55 that take this,
13:57 we should beat our heads against the wall.
13:59 And finally the establishment had to save Pakistan,
14:01 and the medicine of Pakistan was taken.
14:03 Where have we told this story,
14:05 that Imran Khan has given us the medicine of Pakistan.
14:07 So if the establishment has saved Pakistan,
14:09 only in the case of Imran Khan,
14:11 or should they save Pakistan in the future as well?
14:13 I think they are
14:15 silent day and night in this matter.
14:17 But the purpose of saying this is not this.
14:19 The purpose of saying this is that,
14:21 this was a media failure.
14:23 And during those 16 months,
14:25 when I was in the hospital,
14:27 the people who used to come to meet me,
14:29 from Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
14:31 some were seniors, some were juniors,
14:33 I did not leave any room.
14:35 I have told them in tears,
14:37 that do something about the economy,
14:39 make some statements about inflation,
14:41 our communication strategy is not right,
14:43 this is an allegation on us,
14:45 it is not our fault,
14:47 fix it for God's sake.
14:49 What else can I say to them?
14:51 They are witnesses, how can they deny?
14:53 Tell me one thing, Mr. Daniyal,
14:55 did you get the show cause?
14:57 No, I have not got it yet.
14:59 I am in Lahore, I do not know where they have sent it.
15:01 It must have come from Pakistan Post.
15:03 Okay, wherever it is,
15:05 I will inform you when I get it.
15:07 What was the reason,
15:09 for your information also,
15:11 I am sure you know,
15:13 when Mifta Ismail was the
15:15 Minister of Treasury of your party,
15:17 Hanif Abbasi said,
15:19 the one who sells toffees has been made the minister,
15:21 Abid Shalil said, he has finished our politics,
15:23 we were not capable of going out,
15:25 there was no show cause.
15:27 Mr. Daar did everything,
15:29 nothing happened against Mifta.
15:31 Mifta Ismail did everything.
15:33 In the cabinet meeting,
15:35 the Prime Minister said,
15:37 show cause, no one showed cause.
15:39 Maybe Hanif Abbasi said,
15:41 people are thankful that the government
15:43 has given up on PDM government,
15:45 there was no show cause.
15:47 Why was Daniyal Aziz show caused?
15:49 Whoever is the loyalist of Nawaz Sharif,
15:51 all of them have got show cause.
15:53 Javed Latif has got show cause,
15:55 Chaudhary Tanveer has got show cause,
15:57 I have got show cause.
15:59 This is a special
16:01 issue in our party,
16:03 which is look busy do nothing,
16:05 and the political branch of the party
16:07 has got such a big problem,
16:09 and instead of answering that,
16:11 they are busy in shutting the mouths of people like me.
16:13 And this inflation is not going anywhere.
16:15 You see, this is the deflection you are seeing.
16:17 This is the issue of Narwal,
16:19 this is the issue of ticket,
16:21 Mr. Daniyal should talk in the party.
16:23 There is nothing like that.
16:25 But they are not talking about inflation.
16:27 Let's be honest.
16:29 Let's be honest.
16:31 Let's be honest.
16:33 I have seen the statements of people
16:35 who are running different shorts,
16:37 they are saying that I don't know,
16:39 I have no connection.
16:41 No one is asking them.
16:43 Why are they not asking?
16:45 You have all the documentation,
16:47 everything.
16:49 So why don't they answer?
16:51 They are saying that I am not at fault,
16:53 so who are they pointing to?
16:55 On the contrary, they will say that
16:57 Mr. Daniyal is giving statements
16:59 about PPP, and answer about inflation.
17:01 They have gone sideline about
17:03 Mohammad Zubair,
17:05 Mr. Daniyal has been shocked,
17:07 Talal Chaudhary is not getting a ticket.
17:09 Except for Mariam Aurangzeb,
17:11 why is the whole gang of 2014-15
17:13 in trouble these days?
17:15 I am not in any trouble.
17:17 I don't know about the rest.
17:19 But I can tell you that
17:21 if we don't effectively handle
17:23 this issue of inflation,
17:25 then this will be
17:27 our party's responsibility.
17:29 And those who were responsible
17:31 to handle this,
17:33 if they don't have any
17:35 evidence that they were
17:37 ineffective in this,
17:39 or they don't have any
17:41 solutions, or effective
17:43 communication strategies,
17:45 then until we fix this,
17:47 I will be in this same boat.
17:49 I will be in this same boat.
17:51 I am just a messenger for this.
17:53 I have some suggestions,
17:55 but despite all my best efforts,
17:57 I have not been able to get
17:59 any approval from the people.
18:01 Sir, you take all my political questions
18:03 to that side, but I can tell you
18:05 that Mr. Zubair is in trouble.
18:07 Mr. Talal Chaudhary's ticket
18:09 is hanging in the balance.
18:11 I think you will fight the
18:13 free elections.
18:15 No, I will do what the party
18:17 says, but the purpose of saying
18:19 is that...
18:21 If the party tells you
18:23 that you will fight the elections
18:25 then you will fight the free elections.
18:27 I am surprised, Mr. Kasher,
18:29 whenever it is my turn,
18:31 your memory becomes weak.
18:33 I am the person who was sent
18:35 a notice by the court, and they said
18:37 that you will not be forgiven.
18:39 I was about to ask you the next question.
18:41 The party decided that
18:43 we will not be forgiven.
18:45 Whoever decided this,
18:47 it was decided that we will not be forgiven.
18:49 So I put my career at stake.
18:51 Even Ahsan Iqbal was asked
18:53 to write a letter of apology.
18:55 He has written 5 times and asked for forgiveness.
18:57 So his contempt has been evacuated.
18:59 The question was framed that
19:01 two people did not ask for forgiveness
19:03 and one did.
19:05 Yes.
19:07 I did not ask for forgiveness.
19:09 Talal Chaudhary did not ask for forgiveness.
19:11 I did not ask for forgiveness.
19:13 Check the record.
19:15 They used the word "regret"
19:17 and they said to use the word "apologize".
19:19 If I remember correctly.
19:21 You don't want to comment on this.
19:23 (Laughs)
19:25 I will say that
19:27 you did not ask for forgiveness,
19:29 but what did the party do for you?
19:31 You were the Minister of State.
19:33 Your chair was empty.
19:35 You did not take the oath.
19:37 You said that you will be the Federal Minister.
19:39 The party made you the Minister.
19:41 They gave you a seat to your wife.
19:43 Do you think the party repaid you like this?
19:45 I think that if they thought
19:47 that I can run the ministry,
19:49 they gave me a very important ministry.
19:51 It is such an important ministry
19:53 that it is the only thing
19:55 that is discussed in the economy.
19:57 But I got a lot of work done.
19:59 I could not bring my work
20:01 to the level I wanted to.
20:03 I got only 11 months.
20:05 And as far as my wife is concerned,
20:07 I don't think that
20:09 there was anything wrong
20:11 because people gave her a lot of votes.
20:13 Do you know that the PTI candidate
20:15 who was elected
20:17 had 50,000 votes
20:19 and my wife had 1,15,000 votes?
20:21 And you were a free candidate
20:23 who had 70,000 votes.
20:25 Yes, that is true.
20:27 But I am talking about the PTI.
20:29 Okay, that is fine.
20:31 Sir, tell me,
20:33 what is your problem with Maria Mourang Zaid?
20:35 This is a problem of many people
20:37 in your party.
20:39 Why?
20:41 I have no problem with Maria Mourang Zaid.
20:43 I have been with her for a long time.
20:45 I have worked with her in Media Cell for a long time.
20:47 But I have a problem with her.
20:49 Not very happily I have heard.
20:51 I have heard that your friends were also very angry.
20:53 No, never.
20:55 I have a problem with the policy.
20:57 I have a brotherly relationship with Mr. Iqbal.
20:59 There is no such thing.
21:01 That is visible.
21:03 Yes, there is no such thing.
21:05 But when the policy comes,
21:07 when there is a reason for the destruction of the Jamaat,
21:09 I will mark it.
21:11 I will mark it inside first.
21:13 Then finally, this will be the thing
21:15 that I am doing with you.
21:17 Tell me, Maria Mourang Zaid,
21:19 for example, you are saying that you have a very good relationship with her.
21:21 Did she harm the party in any way?
21:23 She is from your party group.
21:25 I am sure when you read,
21:27 that she has made a mess,
21:29 she has done this to Mr. Mian,
21:31 she has done this to Mr. Mian,
21:33 I have heard that such things happen in the Arwa group.
21:35 The queen prevails always.
21:37 You have surveyed various private institutions
21:41 in Pakistan.
21:43 Not just one,
21:45 they are coming again and again,
21:47 they are coming today and before today.
21:49 You will be surprised to hear this,
21:51 there is an institution called Gallup,
21:53 I will tell you coincidentally.
21:55 When Mr. Imran Khan was dismissed
21:57 in the vote of confidence,
21:59 according to the constitution,
22:01 he did a survey.
22:03 You know that more than 60%
22:05 of the Pakistani interviews
22:07 were scientific surveys.
22:09 It is not scientific
22:11 to take a sample of a person
22:13 and ask him what he thinks.
22:15 Scientific surveys are those
22:17 where you take a proper sample
22:19 and there is no bias.
22:21 In that survey,
22:23 60+% of Pakistanis said
22:25 that Imran Khan was dismissed
22:27 because of his inflation.
22:29 And today I have heard that
22:31 Imran Khan's approval rating is close to 67%.
22:33 So you are saying that this is a flaw
22:35 of the communication strategy.
22:37 I am saying this on the basis of
22:39 the fact that Imran Khan was dismissed.
22:41 This is a flaw.
22:43 But what can we do?
22:45 The money you gave to sell the sample,
22:47 you will sell that sample only.
22:49 Till the time you were in the opposition,
22:51 it was easier to sell.
22:53 It was an easy sale at that time.
22:55 Later when you will take the dollar
22:57 at 330, there will be a situation of inflation,
22:59 what will you sell?
23:01 This is what I am saying.
23:03 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal had to give the sample.
23:05 And he had to sell it.
23:07 Nobody came to the meeting.
23:09 He does his independent research.
23:11 He is also responsible.
23:13 Why didn't he do it?
23:15 It is not knowledge based.
23:17 There is no information.
23:19 So this is a problem.
23:21 This is called incompetence in the common language.
23:23 So you are saying that
23:25 Mariam Aurangzeb is incompetent
23:27 and Danyal Aziz is also incompetent.
23:29 No, Danyal Aziz is incompetent.
23:31 Sorry, I am sorry.
23:33 I made a mistake.
23:35 You wish that Danyal Aziz is incompetent.
23:37 Danyal Aziz is also incompetent.
23:39 Let me rephrase the question.
23:41 Ahsan Iqbal is also incompetent
23:43 and Mariam Aurangzeb is also incompetent.
23:45 I think that
23:47 the perception of the public
23:49 about Noonli
23:51 that we have
23:53 done this inflation
23:55 is because of their failure.
23:57 So both of them have failed.
23:59 In the coming days, you will also be proven.
24:01 Who is the wisest of these ministers
24:03 that you will say that
24:05 this minister is useful
24:07 who was in the previous government.
24:09 For me, all these ministers are...
24:11 I have no issue with ministers.
24:13 Neither I have an issue with Ahsan Iqbal.
24:15 I am talking about competence.
24:17 Which person is giving you competence?
24:19 Listen to me.
24:21 My issue is that when a survey is coming
24:23 again and again and we are also
24:25 getting to know that people have been
24:27 eliminated from inflation,
24:29 and the survey is telling that 70%
24:31 of the people who are voting
24:33 their issue number one is inflation
24:35 and number two is unemployment
24:37 and we have no statement on that.
24:39 Those who were in those positions
24:41 have nothing to say.
24:43 Then Daniyal Aziz will come into action.
24:45 Rana Sallallah says why didn't he come into action earlier?
24:47 This statement is already being beaten.
24:49 Imran Khan's approval ratings were very high
24:51 when you were in the government.
24:53 You didn't say it at that time.
24:55 Khwaja Shah Rafiq
24:57 I heard a short
24:59 of Khwaja Shah Rafiq
25:01 in a program.
25:03 He doesn't know.
25:05 Obviously, he has his own
25:07 big engagements.
25:09 I don't expect him to
25:11 technically.
25:13 I am trained in economics.
25:15 My bachelor's and master's are in economics.
25:17 I am a student.
25:19 I have studied economics for 30 years.
25:21 Governance and politics came later.
25:23 I don't expect him to know.
25:25 Secondly, he was not
25:27 affiliated with the department.
25:29 He doesn't know how much I have
25:31 fought with my community.
25:33 He is not affiliated with communication,
25:35 information, economy
25:37 or ministry of planning.
25:39 I wanted to talk about this
25:41 in my community.
25:43 I have talked to many people.
25:45 They must remember that he used to beat me a lot.
25:47 Now, look what happened.
25:49 I was talking to someone.
25:51 He said that Daniyal Aziz
25:53 is a bystander.
25:55 He is an outsider.
25:57 He is an outsider in the party.
25:59 He has nothing to do with this issue.
26:01 Timing is critical.
26:03 We know that politics is all about timing.
26:05 If this issue was not there,
26:07 you would have remained silent.
26:09 I think you would have remained silent.
26:11 But the issue has been raised.
26:13 You are making it an issue.
26:15 I don't understand.
26:17 What is your problem with Mourang Zeb?
26:19 I understand that there should be a problem
26:21 with him.
26:23 Many people are upset with him.
26:25 I want to understand your point.
26:27 Why are you upset?
26:29 I am telling you again and again
26:31 that you don't want to believe
26:33 or you don't want to believe.
26:35 I have accepted that this is a strategy issue.
26:37 My issue is not with him.
26:39 My issue is with Mehngai.
26:41 I am with his statement.
26:43 Why should I let this issue
26:45 come to my community?
26:47 I am conscious.
26:49 I am conscious.
26:51 I don't want to blame my community.
26:53 I don't want to blame my community.
26:55 I am innocent.
26:57 The people who were in charge
26:59 of this issue have created a mess.
27:01 They have to be targeted.
27:03 You are talking about tickets.
27:05 I have never recommended anyone.
27:07 I have already told you.
27:09 Sir, the ticket will be given to us.
27:11 One minute.
27:13 The ticket will be given to us.
27:15 The decision will be made on 13th.
27:17 You don't have the deflection.
27:19 All the media houses
27:21 and I want to say this to you.
27:23 No one will ask
27:25 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal
27:27 that all the press releases
27:29 on your website
27:31 and you are the chairperson
27:33 and there is so much talk about
27:35 Mehngai in those press releases.
27:37 Didn't you remember the interest rate
27:39 or exchange rate?
27:41 Why are you saying you have nothing to do with it?
27:43 You can read the rules of business.
27:45 You won't ask this.
27:47 You are the MP of Danyal.
27:49 You are the MP of Danyal.
27:51 Mr. Ahsan Iqbal is a big man.
27:53 He doesn't know us.
27:55 You can do your research.
27:57 He showed that he was chairperson of the meeting.
27:59 No.
28:01 No.
28:03 You bring up all the stories
28:05 in your 9 o'clock bulletin.
28:07 Bring this too.
28:09 Make a news about this.
28:11 Why are they lying?
28:13 First they say
28:15 that they are making a joke.
28:17 If they think that 40%
28:19 consumer price index
28:21 and sensitive price index
28:23 is a joke and it has
28:25 raked the defeat of people.
28:27 If they think it is a joke
28:29 then may Allah protect them.
28:31 What can I say about this?
28:33 Thank you very much.
28:35 In the coming days,
28:37 we will see the answer to your show.
28:39 You will give the answer.
28:41 We will see your position.
28:43 We will call you again.
28:45 We will talk again about your political situation.
28:47 We will take a break.
28:49 We will be back.
28:51 Welcome back.
28:55 Ali Muhammad Khan is with us.
28:57 Assalamu Alaikum.
28:59 Walaikum Assalam.
29:01 Thank you very much.
29:03 You are also welcome back.
29:05 You are back after 9-10 months.
29:07 I am happy to see you.
29:09 Thank you.
29:11 Imran Khan also
29:13 spoke in the court.
29:15 He said that he will not deal with them.
29:17 He said that he will not deal with them.
29:19 He said that he will not deal with them.
29:21 He said that he will not deal with them.
29:23 He said that he will not deal with them.
29:25 I will take a brief comment on this.
29:27 You know that the Election Commission
29:29 is looking at you with a big eye.
29:31 You know that the Election Commission
29:33 is looking at you with a big eye.
29:35 They have made you repeat the elections
29:37 They have made you repeat the elections
29:39 The problem is that
29:41 Ahmed Bilal Mahboob tweeted
29:43 that there was no basic info,
29:45 voter list, candidate list,
29:47 no scrutiny,
29:49 big red flags are raised,
29:51 it is done according to the amended rules
29:53 but I don't know what the rules are,
29:55 the National Council had to do the election,
29:57 there was no discussion about it.
29:59 Don't you think that
30:01 you have put the election commission
30:03 which is ready to find fault
30:05 in the hands of the party
30:07 and he will say that
30:09 what kind of election is this?
30:11 What kind of election is this?
30:13 Thank you very much, Kashif.
30:15 In the name of Allah, the most merciful,
30:17 the most compassionate,
30:19 the most merciful.
30:21 With this message that
30:23 all difficulties are easy,
30:25 this is for everyone who is standing
30:27 for a cause,
30:29 whether in our community
30:31 or any corner of the world.
30:33 Allah helps you,
30:35 you find it easy.
30:37 Look, Imran Khan has
30:39 made a tough decision
30:41 in a difficult situation
30:43 in our community.
30:45 I think,
30:47 you have 20 studies,
30:49 I don't remember which big leader
30:51 in the past or in the distant past
30:53 has minused himself and his community
30:55 and has temporarily minused his community,
30:57 his election symbol,
30:59 his entire youth movement
31:01 and has saved it.
31:03 Imran Khan has made a big sacrifice.
31:05 All that is fine,
31:07 maybe you didn't have any other option
31:09 but don't you think that the way
31:11 the election commission has scrutinized
31:13 your previous elections,
31:15 have you given them another chance
31:17 to scrutinize?
31:19 Look, Kashif, we are ready to face anything.
31:21 If they don't let us fight the elections,
31:23 then they have to make some excuse.
31:25 But you tell me,
31:27 what will be the solution?
31:29 Will the solution be that
31:31 the PTI ballot will not have the ballot symbol?
31:33 Look, my brother,
31:35 this is not possible.
31:37 This is a system that has
31:39 sidelined the majority of Pakistan.
31:41 Where will your political system,
31:43 your political currency be?
31:45 Can you make a decision?
31:47 Today, if you make someone else
31:49 sit in place of Kashif Abbasi,
31:51 who does not have the capability,
31:53 can he run the system?
31:55 Sir, the currency issue is that
31:57 whether the PTI ballot will be there,
31:59 whether the ballot symbol will be there,
32:01 will you be allowed to fight the elections?
32:03 The atmosphere is the same.
32:05 There is no new atmosphere.
32:07 Brother, there will be a ballot,
32:09 there will be a player,
32:11 and the captain of the players
32:13 will also be there before the election.
32:15 It seems like a dream of your fans.
32:17 But God willing, it will be there.
32:19 Do you see the election commission
32:21 can put it in trouble?
32:23 It should not be put,
32:25 but the election commission
32:27 has covered it.
32:29 It has not left any gap.
32:31 And for this reason,
32:33 we have brought a barrister,
32:35 a person who has no political stain,
32:37 no stain of corruption,
32:39 no cases on him,
32:41 so that whatever excuse he had,
32:43 it should be finished.
32:45 But there is no stain of corruption
32:47 in Ali Muhammad Khan.
32:49 He has also been jailed.
32:51 Look, I never talk about myself.
32:53 Look, Mr. Khan has probably
32:55 considered it appropriate at this time
32:57 that Pakistan should take out
32:59 Tariq Ansaf from this difficult stage.
33:01 He is not a permanent chairman.
33:03 After that, there will be proper elections
33:05 on a national level, on a large scale,
33:07 which other Jamaats cannot even think of.
33:09 We have done it once in history.
33:11 We have done it in 2013.
33:13 Either Tariq Ansaf gets proper elections
33:15 or the Islamic Jamaat.
33:17 If any other Jamaat has ever done it,
33:19 you tell me.
33:21 In the Guttu family, in the Zardari family,
33:23 if there is any other worker,
33:25 they give him a position.
33:27 They make him a minister.
33:29 They don't give him the party's responsibility.
33:31 This is Tariq Ansaf, who gave it to a common worker.
33:33 Okay, but the question is not
33:35 what you have done.
33:37 The question is what can be done.
33:39 Look, we are working in a special situation.
33:41 There are some demands
33:43 for those special circumstances.
33:45 At this time, as I said,
33:47 your party is in a lot of trouble.
33:49 And it seems that the difficulties
33:51 for you will increase in the coming days.
33:53 In fact, Imran Khan also said that
33:55 he will run away from the elections
33:57 because he is not able to manage.
33:59 So, the situation you are seeing,
34:01 because this is also not new for you
34:03 that you are hearing that what will be the
34:05 Tariq Ansaf ballot, will it be allowed to fight,
34:07 will there be a difference in the scrutiny,
34:09 someone went to Istakam, someone went to Pakistan,
34:11 I mean, Istakam went to Pakistan,
34:13 someone went to PTIP.
34:15 So, you are in trouble.
34:17 And you will not find a way out of it.
34:19 No, you will not find a way out.
34:21 Look, we have to
34:23 make this system
34:25 a red powder.
34:27 If you have killed the biggest
34:29 community in this country
34:31 and they are not in the elections,
34:33 who will accept this election?
34:35 What is the use?
34:37 Then they will make Mr. Mian sit in front
34:39 and ask him to sit.
34:41 So, don't you think, look at the eyes,
34:43 they are roaming around as ministers,
34:45 they don't even need a political canvassing.
34:47 Look, Mr. Kashif, you are also a little naughty
34:49 and I also know that you are also
34:51 fond of cricket.
34:53 Have you ever seen a
34:55 tailender batting
34:57 on a green wicket before time?
34:59 Night watchman?
35:01 Night watchman?
35:03 I think Mr. Mian has come to bat
35:05 before time, don't you think?
35:07 Look, time will decide.
35:09 The problem is that let me bat.
35:11 He was not in the position to bat before.
35:13 Earlier his name was not coming
35:15 in the 11th. Now he has come to bat.
35:17 So, whether it is a green wicket or a batting wicket,
35:19 I have to bat.
35:21 Look, why do you come to bat on such a wicket
35:23 on which you do not have the ability to bat?
35:25 Look, do you know what Mr. Mian has done at this time?
35:27 Two very big injustices
35:29 have happened to his workers
35:31 because of which his workers
35:33 are now not able to compete
35:35 in that political arena.
35:37 Where is the political arena?
35:39 Look, the workers' political arena is a night shop.
35:41 Some tea shop.
35:43 Some truck hotel.
35:45 Some radio shop.
35:47 So, you are saying that they are losing
35:49 the battle of public perception.
35:51 Look, they are losing two things.
35:53 Number one, we were selected.
35:55 We were incompetent.
35:57 We did not understand. We did not have a team.
35:59 They were very capable. They had a solution for everything.
36:01 There was a solution. They doubled the petrol.
36:03 There was a solution. They doubled the diesel.
36:05 They doubled the gas.
36:07 They tripled some things. They doubled the expenses.
36:09 One, you failed in 18 months.
36:11 They definitely lost the battle of perception.
36:13 Sir, I don't have much time today.
36:15 But I will discuss this issue with you in detail.
36:17 Where are the circumstances going?
36:19 The problem is that they say that they are incompetent.
36:21 I have to fight the elections.
36:23 And they will fight the elections.