KillerFrogs' writers Nick Girimonte and Davis Wilson discuss news from a dramatic week in the Big 12 and then break down the Horned Frogs’ win over Arizona State and preview the Diamond Head Classic.
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00:00 All right episode 7 of frog fever a killer killer frogs basketball podcast
00:06 big 12 basketball podcast
00:08 This is I think episode
00:12 7 and my name is Davis Wilson
00:15 My co-host is Nick Germany. We're both in different locations. We're both back home
00:21 And we've got a good podcast
00:24 Coming your way this week. We don't have a guest but we have a lot of of interesting interesting stuff to talk about
00:31 Nick obviously was at the
00:35 Game at Dickies arena TC Arizona State. We'll get into that and then there was a ton of
00:40 Just big 12 news generally throughout the league last this past week. So Nick
00:47 What do you want to get into first?
00:50 Yeah, we talked a lot a lot. We talked a lot last week about Kansas State and how they're kind of spiraling out of control
00:56 Obviously the Naquan Thomas situation we discussed a lot and he actually made a decision he
01:03 he went to Memphis, which is a great get for Memphis like Memphis is
01:08 Already a ranked team on the up and up and you know penny can recruit with the best of them. So
01:14 That's a nice get for them. He's gonna he's gonna help him a lot and
01:20 Just catapult them to where they even want to get farther in a AC
01:23 But in terms of looking at K State because we are a big 12 podcast
01:27 Rep going back to Tang which we talked about last week too and how Tang
01:33 didn't seem to get the say on how the Naquan Thomas situation went out which could have
01:39 Ruffled some feathers there and how he wanted to stay because he is one of the top
01:44 Coaching candidates in college basketball and he can probably get a lot of jobs that he wants if he wanted to
01:51 so they asked him in the presser if he was happy about the situation if he was happy at Kansas State and
01:56 Just his general feelings about where he was with his job at this point
02:02 And he gave an interesting answer that makes you think when I believe he said
02:06 It's in God's hands or whatever. Like whatever. I'm whatever I'm told to do by God is
02:13 Is where I'm gonna go basically he says he's not, you know staying at K State regardless
02:19 which is obviously something to be alarming with because when you have that success instantly and such a
02:24 strong connection to the fan base and the students there that he has
02:29 You would think he would give more an answer that makes you secure about where he's at
02:33 Job-wise and stuff like that. So when he gives his answer it makes you think that he's up in the air
02:38 But what he wants to do?
02:40 they're having a down season and we can talk about their loss to Nebraska too, but
02:45 from a
02:48 broad standpoint if this season does spiral out of control then I would not be surprised if
02:54 Tang either takes another job if something opens or if he talked about like he if
03:00 Coaching is even what he wants to do anymore if he could step in another role. So that's how I took his comments
03:07 I don't know. I'd love to hear your take on it
03:10 Yeah, it was really weird
03:12 Just coming off of the year. They had last year where you know, they had all the momentum
03:18 You could possibly have year one head coach with Tang and they go to the elite eight. They look really good
03:23 they lose some of these big pieces and now things are kind of I
03:27 Don't want to say spiraling out of control in Manhattan, but they're not as it's not as
03:33 It's not as fun as it was last year. I'm sure for them and yeah that answer that he gave
03:39 I mean it was very non-committal. It was he was leaving a lot in the air, you know, we're going a lot right now
03:46 we're going through
03:47 college football coaching carousels where you know a job will open up and a coach who already has a
03:53 job at a different school get asked about that opening and be very vague and
03:59 You know not really shut the door on it and that's kind of what Tang did
04:03 You know you said he basically said
04:07 I'll be here for as long as God wants me to be here and then I'll move on so
04:11 Which you know?
04:13 Whatever, that's fine, but it's not something I would get I would guess you'd want to hear the Kansas State fan
04:18 and
04:20 Then yeah to add to add on top of all this
04:22 They lost in Nebraska
04:25 Which is kind of a regional a semi regional rivalry, I guess they're kind of you know
04:31 Midwestern area, but I don't know the last two pods we've had
04:36 Kansas State has been has been the entertainment whether it's these crazy games or whether it's this off the court kind of drama and
04:44 They're doing it again we said I think it was three weeks ago
04:49 We said Kansas State may not be the best team in the big 12
04:51 But they may be one of the most entertaining and they're they're holding us to that right now
04:55 Yeah, you know when the lost in Nebraska at home Nebraska not a bad team
05:01 but at home you should have probably beat him and you got you know, the Nebraska coach Fred Holbrook and the
05:07 Low down dance in the locker room mocking Tang after the game. It's it's not going well over there
05:13 Yeah, but going back to his presser comments when you are a head coach of a team. I think you want to definitely
05:20 be
05:23 strongly worded and
05:25 obvious and what you're trying to say and so I
05:28 Think it's very obvious that if you did want to stay at Kansas State, he would just give a definite
05:33 I am staying here
05:34 Like I remember for an example when the A&M job was open at football and Dan Lanning was asked about it the coach Oregon
05:41 He was very certain like I am staying at Oregon and that's what he ended up doing
05:45 So you want to be very straightforward?
05:49 So the speculation doesn't get in your head in terms of a distraction from games and stuff like that
05:53 It is very it's very alarming that he said that yeah
05:57 Again, I would say I wouldn't be surprised what he anything what he does because he had such a strong success last year that he
06:03 Seems like he has his pick of a lot of different options
06:06 so I think the way this season goes for K State is
06:09 Will be very indicative of what he does because they could have success
06:14 Like we've said but they've lost three games already the season and they're not
06:21 You know a top tier team in the big 12. I would say they're mid right now to
06:26 lower
06:28 because they just haven't gotten that many signature wins on the year and they've been so close to
06:33 Really failure by having all these success in overtime wins that it could look a lot worse than it does right now. Yeah, but
06:40 Depending on how they do the in conference play this could either
06:43 You know be fine because they do have a lot of talent on this team or we could see it spiraling out of control where?
06:49 They start blowing games that they shouldn't and then it really looks at Tang's job as what is he gonna do?
06:55 He's gonna move on or he's gonna stay. Yeah, and that's weird because this time last year
06:59 It I mean Kansas State was Kansas State basketball was you know
07:04 It was one of the more exciting programs in the country. I'd say
07:08 and
07:10 Sure, and you know and now they're just I don't know it's it's a I thought it was a weird thing to say and maybe that
07:16 You know, it seemed like he was such a Kansas State guy when he got there. He embraced all this stuff he
07:23 You know was all into all the rivalry stuff with Kansas
07:26 he
07:29 you know he and his players seem to have a really good relationship and
07:32 now I mean he just seemed to embody Kansas State really well and now he's
07:36 You know not really
07:39 Seeming very committed and maybe that's wrong. Maybe we're wrong about this. Maybe we're misreading what he said, but it did not seem
07:48 It did not seem very committed to me and I think that is something to watch and then yeah, they lose to the Nebraska who
07:55 You know actually really isn't a bad team. They have a good coach
07:59 They and that's their third loss of the year
08:02 Like you said they've lost to USC Miami and Nebraska now and their best win is against Villanova and overtime
08:07 they beat Providence in overtime and
08:10 other than that though, it's
08:13 really a bunch of I
08:15 Don't know a bunch of mad wins for me
08:17 And maybe even some bad wins like the one against North, Alabama where they win by one point in overtime
08:23 I think there's cause for concern for Kansas State. But again, I think it's
08:27 Semi early and they have time to figure some of that stuff out
08:31 Yeah for sure
08:32 and it is to be said that Tang is has been a character and kind of an odd guy in his tenure there so
08:38 Taking what he says may not be like as
08:42 straightforward as another coach who would yeah normal because Tang is a character and that's
08:46 Why I think people are drawn him so much because he has this unique personality
08:51 So I'm just excited to see how the K-State season unfolds because yeah
08:57 That's gonna be so telling of what's gonna happen. And then the last thing on Kansas State before I move on
09:01 Just more specifically on the Nebraska game
09:05 Like their guys just didn't I mean no one really played well for them
09:11 Which is the concerning part for me like you have
09:14 You have guys on Nebraska
09:16 What's his name rank mass? I think is his name. He played well
09:21 He was the best player on the court and
09:23 Then like your guys on on Kansas State where you're hoping they're the best guys on the court like Kaluma and Tyler Perry
09:30 Both really had had terrible games
09:33 Kaluma was 2 of 10 from the field
09:36 Oh a 5 from 3 with 8 points and 5 rebounds and Tyler Perry was 3 of 11
09:42 from the field 3 of 10 from 3 with 11 points and 6 assists, so I don't know it's
09:49 Big I mean, I don't know. It's I I'm shocked to see it
09:53 Look this bad and was this a home game
09:57 Yeah, it was that yeah, okay States. I don't know
10:01 I think the brass is not bad, but this is this is a little alarming to me. I would think
10:06 Yeah, I think the K States offense is just bad to be honest like they haven't showed up
10:13 Consistently all this year and especially the last four games like they put up 75 and over time 72 and over time
10:20 75 62, I mean 46, which is
10:23 insanely bad and they're the
10:26 Via Ken palm. They're the 105th ranked offense
10:31 Of all the teams in the nation, so that's not good
10:35 If you're a big 12 team and want to compete and I think it's been telling of why they've been taking so many losses
10:41 Like their defense isn't bad at all. They played hard. I don't think efforts the issue but I
10:45 Mean, they just can't hit shots at this point. So yeah, it's it's worrisome for sure if you're case, David. Yeah. Yeah, I agree and
10:53 Yeah, Tyler Perry is it seems like he's still figuring things out he's coming from
11:00 UNT where they played at a really slow pace and
11:04 They were really effective with that slow pace, but it's a different offense. He's in now. It's kind of a it seems
11:12 Like they're trying to go faster than he is used to and you know, I don't know
11:18 he's not shooting the ball very efficiently and
11:20 I think that if their season is gonna take a turn in a good direction
11:27 It will be because Tyler Perry starts to kind of get more consistent in his shot selection and shot making
11:33 For sure
11:36 All right next up
11:39 Let's talk about West Virginia. They had another they had it. They also had a bit of an eventful week. They got
11:46 Some good news and then immediately after that good news they lose to UMass. Do you want to talk about?
11:52 the good news first
11:55 Yeah, sure. So Rayquan battle and Noah Farrakhan are to their transfers that were awaiting waivers to be eligible for this season
12:03 Specifically break on battle. It was one of the top transfers in the country and they finally got their waiver wave to be eligible
12:11 I believe Farrakhan played and battled actually didn't this game
12:14 but they both should be suited up soon and then they got Kirk Riese back who was suspended as we all know and
12:21 You think this would be their kind of last hurrah to?
12:24 You know to bounce back in their season because they've been so bad this year and we've kind of written him off a
12:32 long time ago it but and
12:35 Then they go play UMass and Kirk Riese actually plays really good
12:39 I believe he hit six threes and he just kept kind of firing
12:43 He was one of their best players in the offense, but they lost to UMass a team that they should be
12:50 Which is kind of alarming that the fact that they're just not gonna be good this year
12:54 They also lost Jesse Edwards who was arguably their best player. Yeah at the center position for at least four weeks, I believe
13:02 So this is probably one of the last times
13:06 we're gonna really talk about West Virginia because I think that it's official that they're just gonna be bad and
13:12 Injuries and you know, they don't really have a real coach right now
13:16 So yeah, I just wanted to give that note that they got their guys back and they're still
13:22 Not good, and they probably won't have a lot of success in the big 12. Yeah, I'm excited to see Raekwon battle
13:29 I think I I think I saw that he's sick, but he is expected to play. I think they played tomorrow at
13:35 against rat they host Radford tomorrow and I
13:39 mean
13:41 it's it's hard to write a team off this early, but they're 132nd and Ken Palm and
13:47 They lost to UMass team who's actually now better than them in Kim Palm. They're 129. So yeah
13:54 I
13:56 Am excited to see Raekwon battle. He's he was a he was a really great scorer at Montana State. I believe is where he was
14:02 yeah a
14:03 marquee transfer for them and
14:05 You know who knows he made he may help this team out
14:11 A lot, but I mean it seems like they have a lot of work to do and it may be beyond what one player can do
14:17 We'll see but
14:19 Yeah, they just don't have a signature win at all this year
14:21 That's when I guess Missouri State and they haven't beat any relatively good team
14:25 I think they're four and six at this point and
14:29 Big 12 schedules right around the corner so I don't see them having much success there
14:33 So I just wanted to say that we'll be looking out for
14:37 Carissa and battle and all these guys that came back, but I don't think it's really anything to
14:41 Be no fool of unless they have a big upset or something coming up soon. Yeah
14:47 What's next do you wanna
14:51 Cincinnati yeah, we'll go to Cincinnati. They lost to Dayton Dayton's not a bad team
14:56 what was your what were your kind of thoughts on this game and
15:03 You know Cincinnati was one of those teams that got off to a really really fast start and now
15:08 They they dropped this game to Dayton. I don't know. I think they're home, right?
15:14 I think I believe it was was it like a neutral site a semi home semi home. Yeah, yeah
15:20 I'm both in Ohio. So yeah like a fun. This was in Cincinnati
15:23 So maybe it was similar to kind of the TCR is gonna stay. Yeah, it was in Fort Worth
15:27 but not a home game, I don't know but
15:31 Any time mean these teams are?
15:33 Semi evenly ranked in Ken Palm, I believe
15:36 I
15:38 Don't know. I'm excited to see what Cincinnati does. This was a test for them and they didn't look great
15:44 What what are your what do you think?
15:47 Yeah, this was another
15:50 Test see where they at because they were so much you see where they were that
15:53 Seven and no team that hadn't really played anybody in the two teams. They've played that are actually good and Xavier and Dayton
15:59 They haven't passed the test so far
16:01 They even looked worse against Dayton. They lost by 14, I believe
16:05 so it just shows that
16:08 You know, we got excited for Cincinnati the beginning of the year and they had
16:12 Such a strong start at the beginning. We were getting to see where they were at and they kind of showed where they're at now
16:20 which is
16:22 Probably around a TC tier maybe worse maybe better but like
16:27 You know, they're gonna be fighting in the middle pack of that that team. Um, their best win is against Georgia Tech and they
16:33 Georgia Tech's, you know, not a great team. So until they have a big win or a big loss
16:40 I think we kind of stay with Cincinnati at the at that mid tier, but they they can definitely
16:46 Upset it. They don't have a lot of star power. I think yeah, like they have guys like Victor Lake and Dadae Thomas
16:53 You know Dan skillings who chisel James is a fun freshman
16:57 But I'm waiting to see them emerge to really pass one of these big tests. Mm-hmm, you know
17:04 Again, very similar to see you or we lost a Clemson who's probably better than us and then we beat Arizona State
17:12 Who's good but worse than us? So, um
17:16 I'm just kind of waiting out the process on Cincinnati and I thought that this would be a good opportunity for them to make a
17:22 statement win but
17:24 You know, they didn't pass a test. So, uh, I
17:27 Don't think they're anything too scary. Yeah, and
17:30 Yeah, you mentioned how they're kind of a mid team and mid to your team is a big 12
17:35 They're still 37th and Kim palm, which we've kind of talked about this for the last couple weeks
17:40 A mid to your team in the big 12 is going to probably be good enough to get you in the tournament
17:44 which is why I'm still kind of watching Cincinnati because they
17:49 Have surprised. I mean they surprised me personally. I didn't expect them to
17:53 I
17:56 Don't know. I mean, we're gonna see a lot more we're gonna figure out a lot more about them when they start big 12 play
18:01 But you're right the only two teams they've played two teams that are top
18:06 50 teams in Ken palm the rest have been a hundred or above and the two teams that were top 50 they lost to
18:16 So the only two tests on the year they have were losses. So
18:20 That's concerning. They have Merrimack and Stetson and Evansville next all at home
18:27 All should be wins and then it gets fun you get they get to go to BYU
18:31 Which is going to be their biggest test of the year
18:33 BYU is still surging somehow their fifth and Kim palm
18:38 That's gonna be a great game and then they get Texas they get Baylor and they get TCU
18:45 and
18:47 You know, even after that it just doesn't get any easier. So I'm excited
18:51 I'm excited to see them play in the big 12. I think they
18:54 It's it's a little bit scary that they lost both of their two tests, you know kind of the games where they should
19:02 Be competitive
19:06 Win or at least be competitive in and they lost both of them. So
19:10 Yeah, they haven't been a team big 12 caliber so far. So until they do that, I wouldn't give them too much
19:16 Consideration of being good. Yeah
19:21 Let's see here technically they beat, Illinois Chicago who is only one
19:28 spot below West Virginia and yeah, Ken palm, so
19:32 Georgia Tech's probably better than West Virginia. I would say - so maybe that's not exactly true. Oh, Georgia Tech is above them 127
19:39 Yeah, so the majority big teams - West Virginia West Virginia is a mess. So I don't know really count that
19:46 Who else is a mess Baylor looked like a bit of a mess this weekend? They they did
19:52 completely blown out by a Michigan State team that had
19:56 Been struggling like they were what were they top five?
20:00 Preseason AP poll team and I think there are four. Yeah, there are four and Baylor
20:09 Is that Baylor's first that's Baylor's first loss of the year and it was not pretty at all
20:15 Yeah, they got boat raced. Yeah, and I actually I
20:21 kind of it's interesting to say because Michigan State needed that win and Baylor's been good, but
20:28 man, Baylor
20:30 Had Baylor defense. I mean they are I
20:34 I think they're just soft. Yeah
20:37 If we look at Baylor teams that have had success
20:40 they obviously had that 2021 team which didn't count so but
20:46 ever that team was built on defense and
20:49 Defense and grit and toughness and they had big men and Davey on Mitchell and Jared Butler and all these tough guys
21:00 And if that season had counted they would have won a national championship, but that sucks that it didn't
21:06 but um
21:08 Ever since then they've had these soft teams built on guard play no defense and that defense is
21:14 bad, I mean they
21:16 Mission state they beat Auburn week one in that fun game. Yeah
21:24 It but ever since then they really haven't played anybody tough in Michigan State
21:29 was that first really tough game that they played since the then and they just
21:34 Completely blew it and I think it just goes to the fact that
21:38 When you're in the big 12, you have to have strong defense. All they have is guards that can score
21:44 So you're gonna have to when a team can run fast and meet you at that offensive end
21:49 Then I mean they're gonna struggle. I don't know. What are your takeaways?
21:53 Yeah, well, Michigan is sorry Michigan State is now five and five
21:57 They have been struggling on the year. We all knew I mean, I think you and me knew that they were still a good team
22:04 but that's
22:06 That's not a good loss and to your point on Baylor's defense, they're 69th in
22:12 adjusted defense on Kim palm
22:15 So, you know going based just based on that. They're not a top 64 team defensively
22:21 Which you know is gonna cause them problems in the big 12 if they don't get that figured out
22:29 And then really, you know, it was none of their guys really were were great they
22:35 And it's weird because they didn't shoot the ball all that terribly they were they were
22:41 48% from the field 31 and a half percent from three
22:45 But they just I don't I don't know they
22:49 Michigan say just kill them like it was it was really not a close game ever and at one point
22:58 Wasn't it like 45 to 15 or something? Is that right? Yeah, I mean it was over from the start
23:03 It's just a terror a really really bad
23:05 showing for Baylor and
23:08 - I mean this was was this another kind of semi away game. What was this or was this?
23:15 Send me away. So I
23:18 don't know like I
23:20 Think it's really good. I think that there's no
23:25 They got off to a bad start, but Michigan State is a good team that has had some tough losses and
23:32 you know if you're if you're a Michigan State fan, that's exactly the type of
23:37 when you
23:39 you need to kind of get it going again and
23:41 There I mean Michigan State's on their way I think and now Baylor may have some question marks
23:48 I
23:51 mean, I remember, you know, we you mentioned that Aubrey game with Baylor where
23:56 Jacoby Walter
24:01 Kind of went off and yeah, he did not
24:03 Really have a great game and I think
24:07 when you have these guards, especially these freshman guards you kind of
24:11 You don't want to depend on them, but you kind of have to he's he's a really talented scorer
24:16 He's a great player. But when you're kind of just waiting on him to have one of those big games
24:21 I don't I don't think that's the recipe for success, but I don't know. I don't know
24:25 This was just a terrible game. I don't know whether to read overreact or not, but it's definitely
24:32 Cause for concern especially as you know, we're we're like three weeks away from conference play or three games away
24:39 So it's coming up and they're gonna have to get that figured out
24:44 Yeah, I look into this a little bit and take some because they're one of the best offensive teams in the nation and they have sick
24:51 Guard play like you can go up and down and forwards like Jacoby Walter Ray J Dennis Jaden
24:56 Unlikes in love Jalen Bridges at the forward
24:59 They live on this fun guard play and they play a pretty brand of basketball where they can score
25:05 They all of them have deep bags where they can they got handles they can shoot all this type of stuff
25:11 But at the end of the day, I mean they show that Michigan State that they're gonna be a pretty team
25:15 but they're gonna be like a soft ass team when it gets down to it and they can get exploited when you play a tough
25:21 Team that keeps you in the half-court
25:23 And when you look at this big 12, I think
25:25 the top of the conference is a
25:29 Little shaky. I would be interested to see do you think Baylor is a top three team at this point in the big 12?
25:38 Mmm, that's a good question
25:40 Let me see. Well Baylor has a
25:43 Top five. I think was a top five offense that yeah, they have the yeah, I think they're just it off
25:49 Yeah, so you're right. They can score but right now I think my top three in the big 12 is Houston
25:55 Kansas and
25:58 I
26:00 Mean is it BYU is it?
26:02 Is it there be way Oklahoma's the seventh-ranked team the nation - and they're undefeated so I would give them a little credit
26:09 But I think I mean, I don't know if they're top three. It's it's not definitive like it
26:14 Was probably a week ago like a week ago. I'd say Houston, Kansas Baylor now. It's probably Houston, Kansas. I
26:22 Guess BYU which is pretty funny. But I mean maybe Oklahoma they're undefeated still and they have some amazing wins
26:30 So, I mean, maybe they're a top maybe they're the fifth best team. I don't know but yeah
26:35 I was there too and then yeah TCU and we only won loss
26:39 I don't know
26:40 It's so fun to look at the top of the conference because I would probably say at this point in the year
26:45 Houston is the best team out of all the top teams like, you know, Purdue you can make the argument for UConn
26:52 Kansas
26:54 But I think that Houston's only team that hasn't gotten a loss at the top tier teams
27:00 They just beat a good a and M team
27:01 so they'd have to be probably number one in the conference right now and I would say
27:05 Kansas is - because they have the signature wins and then I would put BYU up there too because they passed so many
27:11 tests
27:12 but it's interesting because if you have such a signature loss like this if you're Baylor then
27:17 you're gonna have to regroup fast because
27:20 To compete at the top like you can't be losing by 30 or whatever. They lost you and I know Michigan State's a good team
27:26 But it's interesting and they have a quick turnaround
27:31 This pot will probably be out maybe by the time this game finishes, but we're recording on Tuesday
27:37 Do you want to preview Baylor Duke? Yeah
27:41 Yeah, because that's that's a that's a quick. Yeah, but I guess if you say it's something
27:46 Look ahead game. Mm-hmm. If you have Michigan State on Saturday who they have struggled
27:53 They're still Michigan State, but if you were to look ahead to going to playing Duke
27:58 Then that would be a look ahead if you want to look at that way
28:01 But who do you think is gonna take this this Baylor Duke game because Duke's big kind of frauds too
28:05 So yeah, it's like a fraud game here
28:07 Yeah, this is a really really tough back-to-back for Baylor
28:12 Neither of these games are home games. This is a neutral game with Duke and I
28:17 Don't know. It's tough. I think I
28:19 Think that Baylor needs this game. I mean, they don't need it by any means, but it would be nice to
28:27 respond after a loss like that and
28:30 yeah, I think that I
28:33 Don't know. It's it's hard because they're so reliant on their on their guards and their offense. I
28:40 Guess if I had to make a prediction I'd say
28:43 Baylor I think Baylor can respond and I think they kind of are gonna want to respond
28:52 Because they were terrible they were just so bad against Michigan State and
28:55 I'm sure they're gonna want to get that taste out of their mouth immediately as soon as possible and doing it against you know a top a
29:04 top 15 team and Duke is
29:06 The way to do it the best the best possible way you can forget about Michigan State
29:13 Yeah, this game is gonna be so hype. It's at MSG. I believe that's all it is
29:20 You know as big time as it gets. Yeah, I struggle with this game, too
29:24 I think it's gonna be super close because both teams have showed insane talent and both teams have showed
29:29 weaknesses in their teams I
29:33 Might give like a slight edge to Duke
29:36 Because if they have Filipowski and
29:40 Baylor's best big man probably is Macy and
29:46 He's just so inexperienced at this point and you know loners not great either
29:51 You know everyday John
29:55 Cha-cha cha-cha or whatever you pronounce it
29:58 Because of that and Duke Dukes got great guard play to that can probably compete with Baylor a little bit
30:06 Yeah, um, I might give the slight edge there
30:08 but I'm gonna be super interested to see because whoever loses this game is gonna be called frauds and whoever wins it is gonna
30:15 Be almost crowned by being having a signature win and yeah, you know being better than two of the top programs in college
30:23 basketball, so
30:24 I'm looking at super forward to this game another game. That's big tomorrow if you want to preview that is
30:29 Oklahoma gets their first like
30:32 Massive big-time test because they're one of only four undefeated teams in college basketball and they play, North Carolina and neutral site
30:39 So what do you think about that one?
30:42 Yeah, this is the one I'm actually more excited for because I think Oklahoma might be for real there
30:47 They now have wins. We talked about this every week, but they have good wins over, Iowa
30:52 USC Providence, Arkansas
30:55 And none of those are like top 20 wins
30:58 But those are all around that 50 Ken Palm range of wins
31:02 Which is you know, they're kind of stacking them and now you get North Carolina a semi away game
31:09 North Carolina is 20th and Ken Palm
31:11 and
31:14 I think I think I'm gonna ride the big 12 across the board tomorrow. I think I'm gonna go with Oklahoma because I
31:22 Just love the way that they're put together. They're kind of this team
31:26 Similar to like a TCU where they're kind of all it's a bunch of it's a bunch of kind of
31:33 Loose parts put together and it's working really well for Porter Moser. Who's a great coach and who has won a lot of big games
31:40 So, yeah, I'm gonna go with the Sooners I think
31:44 Yeah, I agree with you that I think Oklahoma is legit because they passed so many tests up to this point
31:51 I might have to fade a little bit
31:56 I think it's gonna be super close
31:58 But the fact that it's in Charlotte and North Carolina is coming off a couple losses like to Kentucky and UConn
32:03 That we've seen recently. I think they need this win more than Oklahoma and just being at home
32:10 And they're gonna be super fired up because Oklahoma at this point being one of the 400 feet of teams of college basketball
32:16 Has this target on their back where they're not gonna be slept on anymore
32:20 I think Oklahoma is gonna have lots of success in the big 12, but they got to take a loss at some point, right?
32:27 So I would probably say North Carolina edges it out slightly
32:31 But I mean two insane tests and if you are, Oklahoma
32:36 I believe they're seventh ranked in the nation right now if you're Oklahoma and you just be North Carolina, I mean
32:42 You are
32:45 Legit legit. Yep. You know what I mean? Like if they do pull I don't know what this I'll be interested to see what the spread
32:51 Is but I'll look oh, no see
32:53 Yeah, that game's gonna be fun
32:57 Yeah. All right the spread. Oh, it's not on there. Give me one second for the spread
33:02 Yeah, I mean that's a
33:07 It's a pretty evenly matched game. Yeah, it is there's
33:10 it's interesting because I think Oklahoma is I
33:14 Mean that for me at least they've surprised me and I I didn't really know they're expecting
33:19 expect in
33:21 terms of what they what kind of team they were but they have
33:25 it's it's one of those situations in the transfer portal era where
33:29 You bring a bunch of transfers and it can go on one of two ways you can you know, these transfers?
33:36 Cannot work out and they can you know when you bring all these new guys in sometimes it doesn't work and then sometimes it
33:43 Will work and so far it's working for Oklahoma and this is undoubtedly the biggest test
33:50 So I'm excited to see so I just excited to see what happens for sure
33:55 Yeah, I mean these two games we just talked about the two biggest games in college basketball this week
34:01 I would say so it's gonna be super interesting to see where the big 12 lies
34:04 Going against the two best teams in the ACC probably. Yep
34:10 Yeah, and just to see where exactly the
34:13 Limits test if I do this conferences because if Oklahoma can go be, North Carolina
34:18 I mean that just shows just how deep the big 12 is compared to the ACC's top tier and blue bloods. Yep
34:25 I got the spread here. It's UNC minus two. So Oklahoma is a
34:30 underdog 2.0 underdog
34:33 Yeah, that's about what I would say to be honest because North Carolina just seems like a bit of a more proven team and they
34:39 need this one more but
34:41 God if they win that yeah, this ceiling is the roof. Mm-hmm
34:47 Baylor is
34:49 It looks like Baylor may be a one-point underdog against Duke I think so
34:56 - very good game slips. Yeah, really really excited to watch those two
35:01 Super excited. Yeah, they both, you know
35:03 Both could go either way and both like you said are huge tests for the big 12 just to see how deep they really are
35:09 for sure
35:11 All right, you want to take a quick break and come back and talk to use big big win
35:16 Yeah, all right. We're back. We're gonna talk
35:18 TCU basketball
35:20 TCU beat Arizona State at Dickey's Arena in Fort Worth on
35:25 Saturday night late Saturday night. Yeah, you were there really? This was the biggest game
35:30 This is the biggest game of them for the year or I guess the Clemson game was bigger, but this is the biggest win
35:36 they have so far and
35:40 just to start I
35:42 Was concerned right off the bat this looked like we call this game you called this game
35:47 it can't lose when we did our job last week and
35:50 right off the bat, it looked like TCU was gonna get smoked and
35:53 They ended up turning it around but what was
35:57 Was there something that you know, I was watching but but it's sometimes about you get a better feeling when you're there
36:03 was there something that happened that that turned it around was there a moment that
36:07 Shifted the momentum or what? What did you make of the really sudden?
36:11 kind of
36:13 eruption from TCU
36:15 yeah, as you said, you know, we got off to such a slow start and it's funny cuz
36:19 Adam Miller was kind of the guy hitting everything where he's in a state and he
36:23 Was this close to coming to TCU last year?
36:26 We were in the final two with him them and LSU Adam Miller has been around the block
36:30 I mean in three years he went from Illinois to LSU to now Arizona State
36:35 And they were just hitting everything and we couldn't hit anything and it was the story of TCU with the slow starts like we saw
36:41 In a lot of the non-conference games
36:43 Where we didn't play anybody and it showed up here for the first time really when it mattered
36:48 But I would say the turning point happened
36:51 Or at least I like to think happened because it's fun is when Arizona State had back-to-back
36:57 Technicals when it was about a tie game in
37:01 Early in the second half, I believe
37:04 Where they got a bench tech for stepping out on the court, I think and then
37:08 Bobby Hurley got mad at it
37:11 so he got a tech and ever since then I think we went on a 42 to 21 run and we won by
37:17 21 20 so I mean that's that's what it is right there
37:24 things momentum switch so fast like we started hitting threes and
37:30 You know, we started getting in the flow of the offense stopping him more. I mean our defense was down that second half
37:36 We won that second half
37:38 53 to 29 I believe which is insane to win a half by in college basketball
37:45 But the story of this game, I think we can all agree is Micah PB
37:50 Big 12 player of the week having the first triple double in his career the 10th triple double in all of college basketball
37:57 It's here in the third triple double ever in TCU history. He joined Kurt Thomas and Kendra's Williams. We're both NBA guys. So
38:04 yeah, I
38:07 Huge win for TCU. They needed this one
38:10 as I said, it was a can't lose and I was a little worried at the beginning, but I
38:14 Think something clicked where we knew we had to run and we knew
38:18 You know
38:19 We can feed these guys more and we kind of played together
38:23 Which I think was the most in an important game this year that we've done that where it was
38:28 Everybody can like a man had 18 Mike obviously with the triple double
38:31 Jameer I thought who they played his best game. Yeah, it's played so far
38:36 Jacoby had an off night
38:38 But everybody picked him up to the point where it didn't even really matter and it just showed I
38:42 Think for the first time the real potential this team has and to be the top 100 camp bomb team is extremely impressive
38:49 So yeah, those are my takeaways at least. Yeah from you. Yeah
38:54 So if I'm doing this math, right with 10 minutes and one second left in the first half
39:01 Arizona State's Kamari lands hit a free throw to make it 23 to 9 and
39:06 From that point on TCU went on a 70 to 36 run to close the game
39:11 Which is just complete like complete dominance a complete
39:15 turnaround from what what it looked like
39:19 What it looked like the game was going to be like it was just yeah, Adam Miller
39:24 How many did he have like 10 points like immediately almost? Yeah, I think you're like 15 almost immediately. It was crazy
39:30 Yeah, you can't quote tweeted. Yeah, I quote tweeted him his decision and I was like, I saw God what would have happened but I
39:37 mean, I mean
39:40 Micah PV obviously was awesome. I was I was scared Jamie was gonna I mean PV was out of the game
39:48 It's like yeah, I was I was a little worried that
39:52 Jamie was gonna not put him in but he did and he got the assist the final assist he needed so he ended with 13
39:59 12 and 10 and two steals as well
40:03 I
40:05 Thought I thought Jameer played. Well, we keep talking about him kind of waiting for him to take a step
40:11 Yeah, scoring wise he still hasn't really done that but he was fine
40:14 He had 11 points for seven from the field three or four from three and then you know two steals
40:21 Which seems like he does that every game
40:23 Great bounce back game cuz he didn't play that good. He didn't play good at all last week. So yeah, it was great to see from
40:29 him. Yeah
40:31 Just moving down the starting lineup. Ooh, day. You mentioned I completely agreed with your take on this being his best game
40:37 he played 18 minutes and
40:39 I
40:41 Don't know he scored eight points. He had five rebounds two steals
40:45 It felt like he was everywhere. I felt like he had four
40:49 just
40:51 massive dunks
40:52 Which are just always so fun when a big big guy like those Shaquille O'Neal dunks where he just
40:57 Tries to rip the rim off. I felt like he had like three or four of those and then Emmanuel Miller continues to prove that
41:04 He's this team's leader. Yeah, he had 18 points
41:07 six rebounds three steals
41:10 Just another really nice team effort and then your bench was good as well
41:14 Like Avery Anderson six points Trey Tennyson probably the best game of his season. He had a yeah, it's a big shots
41:21 Yeah, yeah a couple big shots
41:23 O'Bannon had seven rebounds in two blocks
41:28 Mustafa played 12 minutes six points and
41:32 Cork only played eight minutes and recorded two points, but I really even even spread
41:40 A production for TC I think and
41:43 That was a huge win for them, especially the way it started coming back like that and completely dominating
41:50 I mean, it really wasn't even as close as a 20-point game. I think yeah, they were so far so clearly the better team and
41:57 You know if it wasn't for that quick start for Arizona State
42:02 it would have been much worse, but TC responded really well and
42:07 Just just really destroyed Arizona State in the last I guess
42:11 30 minutes of the game. So it's so awesome to see PV
42:16 developing because
42:18 You know two years ago
42:20 He was just a defensive guy and had no offensive game at all pretty much other than a few finishes
42:24 But the fact that he Micah PV had 10 assists in 11 rebounds to career highs
42:30 He was doing everything for him. I mean he was driving making the right pass. He was playing smart
42:35 He's playing under control and he's perfect because he's so athletic to be able to push the ball and if he has this control
42:41 Continuously for this team it can be such a big boost for them if he's
42:47 efficient on the offensive end even relatively close to what this is but I
42:52 Kind of want to look into the Uday thing a little more because this is the first time really and it was against a real
42:58 opponent - so
42:59 This is the first time where we've seen
43:01 Separation for the big man where they haven't played equal minutes for the most part like Uday played
43:05 18 and Mustafa played 11 and court played 8 so I
43:09 mean that's
43:11 Showing I think what we've all wanted to see is that high ceiling of Uday that he can be
43:18 One of the top players on this team. He was extremely efficient. He was under control
43:23 He was a better finishing that he's been all year and to have that big man like you said
43:31 Being a consistent force for them because when you have the same guy you can kind of get the chemistry working
43:36 You can get the lobs
43:37 He's so athletic that he can bring so much to this team
43:40 That is such a big boost for them and I would like to see those minutes kind of stay the same because Uday does have
43:45 A higher ceiling than the other guys
43:47 Another take I wanted to bring to the table was they had 24 assists on 30
43:54 30 something field goals 31 a few goes I believe 31 and this has been a trend for them this year
44:00 They're fourth in the nation in assist as a team with 21
44:05 Which is for reference. They had 16 a game last year. I mean that is
44:10 Extremely big when you can get on the transition game and you can move the ball and
44:15 In the half-court to even especially because you don't have these breakaway
44:20 Games like you can be able to work the ball around pass it a lot and just be able to get all these guys involved
44:27 That was huge for me this game because the half-court was atrocious against Clemson. So to be able to have such a big
44:34 Boost I think from there like Mike it did such a good job there, too
44:39 And just being able to work in the half-court because you're not gonna get in transition every single time like you want
44:46 So the execution there is a big plus
44:49 And
44:51 I was just I was super pleased with this effort because there's an estate is not bad
44:54 They're coming off a loss that so they were I mean they played they came out hot and it was it was tough
45:00 But very very fun game very fun with the Bobby Hurley
45:05 Tech and I don't know
45:08 It was it was a great showing from TCU and super encouraging because you didn't know what they were gonna bring after the Clemson game
45:14 yeah, the
45:16 The assist numbers like you mentioned were really encouraging and like you said kind of becoming a trend
45:22 Also becoming a trend and we may have already known this about this team, but they forced 19
45:28 Arizona State turnovers
45:31 Which is a lot that's that's compared to TCU's 13 turnovers
45:35 TCU has the 23rd best
45:38 Adjusted defense according to Kim palm. They have the sixth best turnover percentage
45:43 defensively
45:45 And it's kind of the flip side. We were just talking about Baylor how Baylor needs to have a you know
45:51 A better defense TCU seems to have this pretty exciting defense. I mean, let's see
45:57 They have the fourth best steel percentage in the country like they're fun
46:01 They're fast
46:02 And I think that kind of thing contributes to the assist numbers you kind of you forced turnovers
46:08 and you push the floor like like Jamie loves to do and you get these assists and
46:13 Honestly, if you can do that and you can I mean the half-court was better against Arizona State, but it was so bad
46:19 I mean Simpson that if you can just
46:21 work on
46:22 you know if you can get in transition for a majority of the game and I
46:26 Don't want to say eliminate the half-court offense because you need to have a half-court offense
46:31 but TCU obviously excels when they're going fast and
46:35 this combination of their steel their steals their their quick hands their rebounding their
46:41 Assist numbers are all indicators to me of a team that is just gonna kill you in transition
46:47 And yeah, it's extremely obvious that that's the backbone of what they're trying to do. And so if you can force
46:54 19 turnovers like you said, I mean this team is pretty much unbeatable because they're they're arguably
47:00 You know one of the best fast break teams in the nation. Yeah
47:04 Yeah, so when you play this template you get those turnovers and you can get out in transition faster
47:08 I mean, that's exactly what they're trying to do. So
47:11 It's not gonna be there every game. So you're gonna have to improve on the half-court
47:15 Like we saw in Clemson, but if you can do that, I mean that's
47:19 Plan a for what you're trying to do. So that was very good to see as you said, I have one more note on Micah PV
47:27 Before we before we move on
47:30 He had such a good game, you know, one of the more fun games I've seen
47:36 One of the more complete games I've seen from any TC player in the last couple years just it did remind me of some of
47:42 That kid those Kenny hustle games years years ago
47:45 But I
47:47 Months ago when I was in Kansas City for the big 12 media dad. I
47:51 talked to Jamie about
47:53 Like what the what the guard situation was gonna look like, how are you gonna replace?
47:58 Damien bond Mike Miles these two, you know, one of the best guard tandems in the country
48:04 And he may you know, he talked about the transfers he talked about
48:06 Jameer he talked about every Anderson, but the guy he talked about
48:11 The most probably was Micah PV. He he was assuring us that Micah PV was a big guard
48:18 That was the role he played in high school. He had the book
48:21 He had the ball on his hands at Duncanville when he played there
48:24 and
48:26 It's so cool to see that come to fruition this year. Like
48:30 He was he was a guard. He was the best guard for TCU against Arizona State
48:36 He was spreading the ball around and then you add the size piece like he's a big guard so he can score
48:42 He can score inside. He's a good finisher and he's gonna grab rebounds
48:47 So, I don't know this may be a this may be an interesting take but I wouldn't be surprised if this not the last triple
48:53 Double we see from him this year and I know the triple doubles like that these days with like
48:58 You know guys like Luka and Jokic in the NBA. They make I feel like it's made triple doubles seem
49:05 More than I guess more normalized and not as big a deal but in college it is still a
49:12 Like a really cool thing. It's a massive deal in college and I think that
49:15 Micah is the guy on this team that has potential to
49:19 Turn in maybe one or two more of them. I don't know. I don't know if that's crazy
49:23 But he he looked the best he's looked all year
49:26 He was doing everything and it was super cool to see him really play the role he played in dunk at Dunkeyville in high school
49:33 now I completely agree when Jamie put out that first starting lineup of the
49:38 Season and we've gone with this big set
49:41 I I didn't expect us to do that because we've gone with two point guards pretty much with DB and Mike the past couple years
49:48 So you'd seem you think you'd want to keep that going and you'd play like an Avery Anderson or a smaller guard like that
49:54 but the fact that he had so much confidence and Mike gave me assurance that he has a potential to do this kind of thing and
50:01 As we've gone along in the season
50:04 we've seen more of this big guard stuff that we haven't seen in the past where he's been more of a small forward or just
50:09 You know that bigger forward presence
50:12 so the fact that he can be a guard and has been has gotten this comfortable to be able to put out ten assists is
50:21 Insane. I mean he's been as impressive as anybody this season
50:24 I think and has been one of the most consistent players because regardless of his offensive game
50:29 He's gonna give you one of the best defensive efforts in the country
50:33 I would say absolutely and so if he even gives you a little bit you'd be pleased
50:38 But I mean a triple doubles insane and he's become I mean he's big toe player of the week
50:43 He's become one of the best players in this conference and I think
50:47 Top three top two player on this team or yeah, you can count on every single night certainly. Yeah
50:53 Yeah, that was a big win just to just to wrap it up put a bow on it that was a massive win and
51:00 It's one thing to win these big games
51:02 It's another thing to look like they looked especially after the first 10 minutes where they look terrible the last 30 minutes
51:09 they looked like one of the best teams in the conference and
51:12 Arizona State's the top 100 team. They're not gonna be
51:17 Anywhere really near what you're gonna see in the big 12
51:19 But it's encouraging to see them have a win like that because previously their best win was Georgetown who's 178 in Ken Palm
51:27 So this is you know, this is what 74 spots better
51:30 74 spot better win with Arizona State so a great win and
51:36 looking forward
51:39 If you don't have anything else on this game
51:41 Yeah, I mean just a statement win and just show that you're that much better than a team of Arizona State's caliber is huge
51:48 Especially for if you're cuz TC might be a bubble team going on. So yeah having this type of statement when it's huge. Yeah
51:55 And it's a you know a rematch in a really great game in the tournament last year
52:02 Again, also TC also won so but looking ahead
52:06 TCU
52:09 Is playing in the Diamond Head Classic starting Thursday, I believe against old Dominion. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, we play a little Dominion Thursday
52:16 So if you just want to we can kind of preview this tournament
52:21 It's they've got there's some there's some very solid teams in this tournament, Nevada is
52:26 They're good they're not one if TCU wins their game against old old Dominion and Nevada wins
52:35 Their game against temple, I think that will be the matchup TCU will get Nevada who's a fort the 49th best team in Kim pom
52:43 and
52:45 Then who else is good in this field old Dominion is not good
52:47 They're 200 Georgia Tech's. Okay. Yeah, Georgia Tech UMass. We saw beat. Yeah, UMass just beat West Virginia
52:55 Big 12 team temples 160. So they're alright and I think actually I think Hawaii is
53:02 Decent this this year. They're 114. So there's some good teams
53:05 You can see some resin some kind of resume teams resume building teams
53:10 But obviously TCS to take care of business against old Dominion. But what are your what are you looking for in this tournament?
53:15 Is this a tournament? I?
53:17 Mean you expect to win
53:19 Yeah
53:21 Yeah, TCU is the best team in this tournament. There are some good teams
53:28 But I mean when you look at a statement like TCU should not lose to any of these teams if you do want to be
53:34 a tournament team
53:35 We've seen in bracket ologies recently TCU is on the bubble. So this is
53:39 Massive for what they want to do and if you can win this tournament
53:43 I think it gives you a big bump and in confidence and resume going into big 12 play
53:49 We start off old Dominion Thursday
53:52 in Hawaii
53:54 Obviously. Yeah, so
53:57 I mean that's gonna be a huge first step. That's another, you know
54:00 Solid win probably better than most that you've had so far this year
54:04 That you should be able to take handily and if you do get that Nevada game
54:08 I mean that would be your best win of the year obviously looking ahead and we don't know maybe temple could beat him
54:14 maybe we just blow it against old Dominion, but I think it's
54:18 It's a huge opportunity for TCU to build that resume because we've played such a week non-conference that if you get
54:24 Maybe winning at Savada, maybe winning against Georgia Tech or UMass then you can really see
54:30 Take that step above other bubble teams where hey we have
54:35 You know multiple wins non-conference that we can hang our hat on and be
54:39 proud of go looking on the resume and
54:43 This is probably the biggest test of the year playing consecutive games with so many decent teams
54:50 That it's gonna be massive for him again. Not the best slate of teams, but definitely teams that improve your resume
54:56 yeah, I would really love to see them get away in against old Dominion, which they should do and
55:02 Then I would love to see a game against Nevada because Nevada is a legit team there
55:07 They would easily be the best best team or it'd be that it'd be a potentially best win. They're better than Arizona State
55:14 They're not as good as Clemson, but they're they're a really good team and I would love to see a matchup
55:19 Where TCU, you know goes in there and wins
55:22 Or goes in there and gets an opportunity to play against Nevada. I think that would be really cool
55:27 But there are other yeah, I mean a Georgia Tech you'd see them in the finals Georgia Tech UMass
55:33 Hawaii one of those teams you probably see the finals. That's another decent win like I think right now it's all about
55:38 stacking wins and
55:41 they're gonna have a chance to get at least a couple decent wins in this tournament and
55:46 That's always exciting. I think
55:49 Definitely. I mean, yeah, Nevada would be a great win for him
55:53 They'd be Washington who's a good team and I mean, they're nine and one
55:56 The only team that lost to is Drake and Drake's not a bad team
55:59 So this is it's just exciting as a TCU fan where we finally get to see some decent competition
56:05 in the non-conference and
56:07 You know, these games are gonna be back to back to back days
56:10 so it's gonna be fun to just to watch and play over the holidays and
56:14 Be able to have an opportunity
56:17 to have some
56:19 Some nice some nice work some you know get better chemistry with the guys all that kind of stuff. So it's gonna be fun
56:26 Yeah, I believe the I believe the championship would be Christmas Eve, which would be cool. Yeah, I don't be fun
56:34 If it's 4 p.m. Christmas Eve Hawaii time. What does that I wonder what that?
56:39 It's five hours. I'm bad at that
56:44 Well, let me look a lot 4 p.m. Hawaii time would be yeah 8 p.m
56:48 So I guess not too late, but that would be cool
56:51 Get to watch them on Christmas Eve, but obviously they have they're gonna have to beat some good teams to get there
56:57 Yeah, I think at least so outside of tomorrow - and the whole college basketball realm
57:03 I mean that's really gonna be the only games of importance, you know from Thursday on so just be locked on that tournament, you know
57:10 Sneaks sneak some looks and at the holiday parties if you need it, but yeah
57:14 But yeah, I'm definitely gonna be checking out these games. It's gonna be fun. Yeah for sure for sure and then
57:21 Before we go just looking forward a little bit more we won't
57:25 Record I think I guess we'll record sometime next week, but they after this tournament they get
57:32 One home game against Texas A&M Commerce and then it is and then we're ready and then it's showtime
57:39 Saturday the 6th you get you go on the road to Lawrence you play, Kansas and then you come back home
57:45 You play Oklahoma and Houston, which I'll be at both those games. That'll be fun
57:50 But it gets serious. It's getting real right now
57:53 And so as many as many of these decent teams you can play yeah, which this tournament
57:58 you know gives you some of those opportunities is perfect and
58:01 It's about to get real and it's about to get really fun. So yeah, I mean it's the last opportunity for them in the non-conference
58:08 So you got to give it everything you got you can't sleep on any of these teams and they should win the tournament
58:13 So if you go through the non-conference only having one loss and that's Dick Clemson again looking way ahead into it
58:19 But that would be a very successful non-conference and something you can be proud of. Yeah, I agree
58:25 All right, you have anything else
58:29 You know that good episode excited to watch these games tomorrow and excited to watch the diamond head. So yeah, it'll be fun
58:35 Yeah, very fun. Well, I
58:38 As always thank you for thank you for joining us
58:41 Here at the frog fever killer frogs basketball podcast. This was I think episode 7. We'll be back next week to talk about I
58:49 Guess the diamond egg classic which will be a lot of fun that yeah dissect. Hopefully a TC about some exciting things. Yeah
58:56 Yeah, yeah, hopefully we'll have something fun to talk about but a lot of good basketball coming up big 12 plays coming up
59:03 So stick around keep coming back and listening
59:07 Yeah, I'm Davis Wilson as always
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