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00:00 Celtics B is brought to you by FanDuel, the exclusive wagering partner of the CLNX Media Network.

00:07 What's up everyone? Welcome to another Celtics B two in one week. Imagine that. We may start to

00:13 make that a regular thing, but it's nice to have you back here with us and it's nice to be with you

00:19 on the heels of a win versus what was just a like a soul-crushing loss to the Warriors

00:27 against Golden State out there in the Bay Area. Not, I'm not saying it was like, Oh, you're like,

00:32 your season's over this. You, if you can't beat Steph when he's red hot, you can't win a time.

00:38 That's not what we're doing here or anything like that. It was just, you know, to be up as much as

00:43 they were, what 17 points to have Steph Curry with five fouls when he was still stuck on 13

00:51 and to see him go nuclear finished with 30 plus, not find a way to get him out of that game,

00:56 or at least avoid the collapse late and lose an overtime. Part of it is I'm pissed about how my

01:01 bets tracked that night, but look, things just got a little wonky. Hell of a response the following

01:08 night against Sacramento. Chris Stapp's forcing us back in the lineup. Jason Tatum was out Al

01:13 Horford, expectedly out it being a back to back in the seas still, despite actually being underdogs

01:20 for the very first time all season went in and thumped absolutely thumped the team. The, the,

01:26 the, the, the, the team, they said, take your beam and shove it up your arse. We're going to be by

01:31 25 points. And it was a majestic thing to watch Adam Kaufman, Evan Valenti, Dan Greenberg is here

01:37 with us from barstool sports. Good friend of this program. And we're not going to like break down

01:41 these games in vivid detail. Other places have done that. That's not what this show is a bigger

01:46 picture stuff, obviously, but certainly highlight some of the key moments and things that have

01:52 happened in the last couple of games since we last had a show. And I will tell you, depending

01:56 on when you're listening to this, you have one more game, of course, before the big Christmas

02:01 game that is finishing off the well, these will both finish off the West coast trip, both with

02:08 Los Angeles. First, the Clippers who are a totally different looking basketball team these days.

02:12 And of course, the Lakers who don't seem to be trying as hard when it's not the in-season

02:16 tournament, that will be your Christmas day showdown at five o'clock Eastern. And then

02:21 it's back home off the West coast swing for a couple more games. So guys welcome. It's good

02:26 to have you as we always like to tell you rate review, please subscribe to the podcast Celtics

02:30 beat wherever you find it. Greeny. I'll start with you here now, admittedly, and I've talked

02:35 about this ad nauseum, so I'm not going to do so now I will just simply say the win over the Kings

02:40 while exciting while entertaining. I just need to deal. I need to cope. I need to get with the

02:45 times. It's not my brand of basketball to just watch a three-point competition for two and a

02:50 half hours. That's what it was, but I'm at least happy to sell this. We're on the right side of it.

02:54 How much did it impress you the day after losing the way they did against the Warriors to go out

03:00 absent their best player in Jason Tatum and really after that first quarter, just take it to the

03:05 Kings and not relent? Yeah, I think I think we all have the same PTSD trauma, whatever you want

03:13 to call it. And whenever this team faces Golden State, I mean, Steph Curry is, is just ruining

03:19 our lives. But when this happened last year, at the same time with the Celtics with the same record,

03:24 there was the start of their spiral, right? Like that's, I think what most of us wanted to see.

03:30 Okay. You were in Golden State. You had another opportunity to stomp on their throat.

03:35 You didn't. Steph Curry buried you. Now you're at the risk of really letting this West Coast trip

03:42 spiral out of control. You don't have your best player. You don't have your sixth man.

03:46 The Kings were 10 and three at home, had one three in a row. So it's like, okay, now show us that you

03:51 have the mental focus to not let the Golden State game bleed into how you're going to play moving

03:59 forward. So I love that they played with the exact same approach that we saw in Golden State.

04:05 You know, they obviously mixed in some, some Porzingis mismatches and, you know, attacking

04:10 switches in the post with him, which is great. But I think it says something to where you're going

04:15 in another tough building to play on the second night of a back to back. And we didn't see the

04:20 whole woe is me. We're mentally dominated by Golden State. Maybe we're second guessing how

04:26 we should play or who we are as a team. You know, I know you don't like the threes, but I will stress

04:31 again, they were all quality looks of good ball movement that this team should be taking. And it

04:38 just goes to show you, you know, they're not always going to miss 41 threes in the game.

04:42 So it's like, you have to understand that for the subjects to be successful,

04:47 they have to play with confidence. And for them, that means taking a look when it's there and also

04:52 finding a way to hunker down defensively. So seeing them actually play defense after that

04:57 first quarter was encouraging. But, you know, we'll see if they give it back on Saturday

05:02 and backtrack and then lose to the Lakers and finish this trip one and three. You know,

05:06 I'm not feeling great, but, you know, it's always good to see them bounce back.

05:10 And to your point, 22 out of 42 from three in that game against the Kings and probably zero

05:17 people would have predicted 22 made three pointers in a blowout win in which Jalen Brown hit zero of

05:24 them. It was, you know, everybody else, you know, Peyton Pritchard off the bench, 20 points. He had

05:29 six threes on 11 attempts, six of nine for Derek White, who is suddenly everybody's favorite player

05:35 on the planet, let alone on the Boston Celtics. And he has been amazing, obviously, with a lot

05:41 of hometown bias, true holiday hit for Chris Dabbs, Porzingis three, a couple for Sam Hauser,

05:46 who was in the starting lineup. It was nice to see, but bigger than that, we were texting about

05:50 this have, you know, I, I mentioned no three pointers made for Jalen Brown, big deal, 28 points,

05:57 six assists, five rebounds, 29 minutes, efficient shooting night, over 50%, not a single turnover.

06:05 There are certain games we've talked about this in the past where Brown has to rise to the occasion.

06:11 And I'm not being critical in saying that he's done so plenty of times, but there are certain

06:16 spots where he needs to be the guy, or if not, you know, one, a one B, especially when Jason

06:23 Tatum is not around with Tatum unavailable, Brown needed to go out and have a game, not talking best

06:30 game of his career, but he needed to have a game. And he did just that. And I think the zero

06:34 turnovers is as important a stat as anything. Yeah, certainly a impact of the game, both ends

06:40 in the 29 minutes that he played, right. That game was over by the time they were going to bring it

06:44 back in. No need to bring Jalen back in 20 minutes, 28 points, six assists, five rebounds,

06:49 no turnovers, just tremendous stuff. The Jalen we've seen the last like six games.

06:55 We got to bottle that up and keep that. I think, and I think a lot of other people have put clips

07:01 together and numbers together and all these things, the Jalen Brown experience is starting

07:05 to feel a little different. The ball movement's a little better. He's attacking quicker. He's,

07:10 he's, he's not trying to go like one on three as much anymore. He's certainly passing out of

07:15 double teams a little bit more. And this is the corner that I think the Celtics need Jalen to

07:19 take, nor for them to take that next step in order to get the offense at the end of games,

07:24 to not bog down and get everybody touches and to have it all move around. This is really encouraging.

07:30 I mean, the fact that you had 28 on no threes is spectacular, but again, it's the ball movement.

07:34 It's the way he's moving off the ball, how he's confident in his teammates to either take the

07:40 right shot, or if they can't get one, get the ball back to him. So we can do is, you know,

07:44 max player, all star, all NBA stuff. If they need to at the end of the shot clock,

07:48 the Chris taps, poor Zingas Jalen Brown minutes are extremely positive. What's more positive

07:56 are the Jalen Brown minutes with Derek white and no Jason Tam on the floor there. I think

08:00 they're what plus was a plus 12 and a half or whatever it was. Forrest Berg had that earlier

08:04 today. I just, it's exceed me at the current moment. Um, but the, the numbers, sans Jason

08:09 Tatum with Jan on the floor have been really, really good. And that to me is the biggest stat

08:15 from the entire season. So far, I said it all last year. I said it all off season.

08:20 And here we are in the beginning of this season, roughly 32, 33% of the way through the season.

08:25 And we finally have an answer potentially to a question that has plagued the Celtics for quite

08:30 some time is what happens to this offense when Jason Tatum hits the bench, usually craters.

08:36 And lately it hasn't, they've grown leads with Tatum on the bench and Jalen Brown is becoming

08:43 sort of a facilitator playmaker kind of guy that we've all kind of been waiting for. And Jalen's

08:49 Ascension to this player changes the ceiling of this team. Let's see if it lasts again. I think

08:56 a lot of us might be a little skeptical and see how long it's going to last Kaufman, but you can't

09:01 deny that it's, that it's not happening anymore. All the Jalen Brown stands are, I would say like

09:06 defectors out there that don't care for Jalen Brown have been awfully quiet lately because he's

09:11 been, I mean, you could call certain guys, Derek white, the best player in the team, Jalen's

09:16 playing the best ball. I think best team basketball on both ends of the floor in his career right now.

09:22 And it's, it's very evident to anybody that actually watches the games. Well, green,

09:27 yeah, no, please. Well, I was going to say, I would actually piggyback off that evidence and

09:33 say, it's better than you're saying. So you're saying the last six games, if you look back on it,

09:39 the, the, like the changing of, of his season really started with the Milwaukee win about a

09:47 month ago on the 22nd, since then over his 13 games, I mean, he's well over 50% his turnovers

09:54 are under two and a half a game. His passing is better. Like you said, but what stands out to me

10:00 is where is his approach, right? Like last, or, you know, the Sacramento game, we're saying

10:06 chains out. Jalen has to be the guy that didn't mean he needed to score 40, right? Not once during

10:12 that game. Did you ever get the vibe that Jalen now, you know, needs to force the issue offensively.

10:18 The shot distribution was even his willingness as a passer is what you want. And to your non

10:24 Tatum minutes, this is the biggest story of the entire Celtics season. The Celtics net rating with

10:30 Tatum off the floor is the same as it is with him on the floor. You're going to win a title.

10:35 If you're not losing the Jason Tatum minutes, that's a fact. That's what happened with the

10:40 nuggets. They figured out how to survive the non Yoko minutes. It's what's plagued the Sixers

10:46 during the entire and beat era. They can't seem to figure out how to survive the non and beat

10:51 minutes. If you look at each of the players between drew and Porzingis and holiday and white,

10:57 they are all elevating their play in the non Tatum minutes. And I think you have to credit

11:02 Missoula with how he's structured their lineups of he's finding that balance of combinations

11:08 that are, you know, there are going to be times where they maybe don't score for three or four

11:12 minutes, but on the whole, I think it's like a plus 8.8 net rating with Tatum on and a plus 8.2

11:19 net rating with Tatum off or something around those, those numbers. We've never seen that at

11:25 any point of the Tatum and Brown era. It's always, they play like a 39 wind team when he's off and a

11:30 65 wind team when he's on, if that's going to change and they're going to play like a 50 something

11:35 wind team when he's not on the floor, that is how you're going to win the NBA title.

11:40 - But I think a lot of what we're talking about, like Evan saying one thing and Greenie,

11:45 you're saying another, but I think what interconnects these things more than anything

11:49 else is Jalen Brown, the facilitator. That he doesn't need to go out to your point, score 40

11:55 points, just be efficient, get your shots. You know, obviously it's, if he's, you know, averaging

12:00 24 to 26, like that would be amazing. That would be great. And you'll blow up for 30 occasionally.

12:06 And occasionally he's going to have a, you know, a sub 20 game like this, these things,

12:10 they all average out. But I think the notable thing about Brown is he's continued to grow and

12:15 develop and we've praised him for years and years, about every off season, he adds a little something

12:19 to his game, whatever it may be, whether it's, you know, trying to obviously protect the ball

12:25 less, turn the ball over, you know, less frequently, all of that, the assist, the

12:30 facilitating, like going back, if you look at his career, four years through his career,

12:36 he had never averaged more than 2.1 assists and was often down in the one point something. And I

12:42 had a number of people, keep in mind, still young, obviously he, you know, entered the league as a

12:47 teenager, but you know, he was four years in and I had people saying to me like real basketball fans,

12:53 Celtics fans just looked at Jalen Brown and said, this is not a guy who is ever going to average

12:59 three to four assists per game. It's just not his game. It's not how he's built. There's some,

13:04 you know, bad luck involved in there, but it's just, it's never going to be him.

13:08 He's never going to do it. And then you start to see him turn a corner, obviously 2021, which,

13:13 you know, I think for a number of reasons, it's an interesting turning point, but it starts to

13:18 slowly climb 3.4, 3.5, 3.5 this year, currently through three through 26 games, he's at 3.7.

13:26 You could look at that and say, well, 3.7 to 3.5. That's, that's not a big jump. I understand that,

13:32 but again, recent sample size and it's small last couple of games, six assists, seven to six,

13:39 six assists before that, even before four, five, four, four, that's your, your stretch basically

13:46 for December. I would not be at all surprised greenie because we have a lot of season left.

13:51 If he has someone who is averaging four, even 4.1 assists per game, if he continues on this

13:56 trajectory, obviously, and he's fully capable of being that guy. Yeah. He's still going to turn the

14:01 ball over a couple of times a game to two and a half. We know that's not going to change,

14:05 but if he can regularly get teammates involved in the way that honestly Jason Tatum does,

14:11 if we can see this from Jalen Brown on a nightly basis, like Tatum, like Derek White, even now that

14:17 he's obviously the, the starting one to, you know, for whatever people believe in, in positional

14:24 basketball. I know it's not really a thing anymore. I think it's just such a, a gigantic

14:28 thing in terms of this team's offensive performance and leads to obviously that success in the non

14:34 Tatum minutes. Yeah, I would absolutely agree with you, but I also think we have to be a little

14:39 consistent, right? Like, I don't think we can only focus on his assist total, right? If, if there are

14:45 going to be games where he has zero assists and then we want to be like, well, you have to watch

14:49 and how he's playing and moving the ball. Like there's more that goes into his playmaking

14:54 evaluation than just his assist average. At the same time, I think when you're watching him play,

14:59 you can see his head is up more. He's making reads and finding guys that he wasn't making,

15:06 you know, in the years past. So if a guy misses a shot, but it's a great read, I don't care. Like,

15:12 I don't deem that as Jalen's not growing because he didn't get the assist. Right. So there was one

15:17 play. I think it was Hauser where he had it in the paint. He was driving and he kept his head

15:22 up and he looked off and made the read to Hauser in the corner for one of his corner threes. And

15:27 I just think that's the evolution that's going to unlock everything more so than if he, if he only

15:34 averages three and a half assists, but he's making the right reads, that's more important to me than,

15:39 you know, if he's just finding a simple dump off pass for an assist, but he's still driving into

15:44 traffic or he's still, you know, playing with his head down with tunnel vision. Those are the

15:49 glaring issues. But I think when you look at how he's seeing the floor, combining with his turnovers

15:55 going down, that's, that's the growth that you can say, okay, he's clearly addressed what played

16:03 him in a playoff series, but I also think his role is changing right now. He doesn't just need to be

16:08 the guy who is the receiver of those passes to then shoot and score. Now, Brad gifted him a gift

16:16 from the basketball gods in Port Singh is to where he can be way more dimensional in how he approaches

16:23 his offense, right? Like you don't need to be a super talented passer to say, Hey, this guy's

16:28 seven three, let's maybe just give him the ball, but the willingness to run actions with him and

16:34 the understanding that this is where Porzingis can get the ball in spots to where he's an absolute

16:40 force makes everybody look better, right? Like Derek White being a confident catching two,

16:46 three point shooter now helps everybody look better. So I just think it's a, the, the growth

16:52 in Jalen as a passer is attributed to his own work, but it's also credit to what Brad has built

16:59 around him to enhance those skills and enhance those playmaking, you know, growth. And I think

17:05 when, and I'll keep going back to it when they traded for Porzingis, I think we all said,

17:10 we got Tatum this new toy, that's going to unlock things. I think it was more for Jalen. I really

17:16 do because Tatum fits with everybody. We have never seen Jalen operate this way with a two-man

17:23 game before like he does with Porzingis. And I think Brad saw that and said, if we're going to

17:28 get over the hump and we're going to get, we're going to make Jalen become a passable playmaker.

17:34 We need to find something that works for him and unlocks that. That's what Porzingis does for him.

17:39 Just want to finish up here. Cause I, I, I attributed it for his bearing. I want to make

17:43 sure I get this right. So he had this in his article very recently, 14.4 is Brown's average

17:50 assist points created per game or Boston's last seven games. In fact, Brown leads the team with

17:55 5.1 assists per game in that span, just to show everybody's, you know, we're all on the same page

18:01 with Jalen. He's just been out of control. Forest Berg had the stat. And again, the other stat I'm

18:04 looking for is the number that Celtics are without Tatum in the lineup. I'm still looking for that,

18:12 but those are the numbers. Check my timeline. I, I pull tweeted, uh, trade from Celtics Twitter.

18:18 He had, uh, he had the screenshots of the stats. It's like my, it's on my timeline somewhere.

18:23 I'll look for that, but that's, that's the other big thing that's like kind of really

18:27 happening right now is the fact that this team again can survive with Tatum off the floor.

18:32 It's impressive. Yep. Well, and not to be

18:37 overlooked, undervalued, uh, ignored certainly is, you know, I, I think we do need to have a

18:42 few moments to just celebrate Derek White because obviously not enough good things can be said about

18:47 the way he is playing this year. I will fully admit I've said this before, but I will fully

18:52 admit, uh, while I was pro Derek White at the trade, I loved it. I saw his value when, you know,

18:59 some people were out there critical of him and, and the deal. And, and what does he bring live?

19:04 I've always been something of a Derek White stand, but only to a point to the point where I still

19:11 thought going into this year, he was going to be your sixth man. He was going to be coming off the

19:15 bench. I did not foresee this, you know, all-star Derek White, you know, as, as Joe Mazzola referred

19:22 to him the other night, you know, he has been just a, a revelation. He is a consistent double

19:28 figure scorer in a group where he is, you know, you would think on paper is your fifth scoring

19:34 option. It has not been the case, obviously that's I'm saying that when everybody is healthy,

19:38 obviously, and you have holiday and porzingis along with the Jays, these last couple of games,

19:43 not to again, sample size it, but I think I heard a stat that the 58 points 30 against the Warriors,

19:50 28 against the Kings, the most he has ever had in a two game span. It wouldn't surprise me at all,

19:55 if that was the case. Uh, but again, the way that, that he is shooting, you know, he's well

20:00 over 50%, 60% in those two games overall, the shot volume is incredible. I mean, you're talking about

20:05 58 points on 37 attempts, including 27, three pointers. So the guy is, you know, regularly

20:13 living outside and hoisting threes. He's taken as a matter of fact, uh, more than eight per game in

20:19 the month of December, but he's hitting about 48% of those. So he is locked the hell in right now.

20:26 It has been incredible. It doesn't really get to the free throw line. It's not a surprise. He's

20:29 not a guy that goes to the basket. He's, you know, he's taken jumpers, but you know, what white is

20:34 doing and facilitating, by the way, he's getting you five assists per game this month. What white

20:38 is doing, it just, again, unlocks another piece of this offense. Greeny that, that, you know,

20:45 they had it at moments last year, but this is why so many people, you know, including Evan and I,

20:51 at the time and greeny, I'm sure you, you know, were bitching and moaning late in games about

20:56 some of those rotations where, you know, smart and or Brogdon route there. And, you know, white

21:01 might've had a great third quarter and all of a sudden he's nowhere to be found in the fourth.

21:05 They have opened things up to where Derek white has to be out there and they want him out there.

21:10 And you're seeing the rewards. Yeah, I think it's, it's sort of like Jalen, right? I think

21:16 first you have to attribute it to his individual improvement, right? Like the work he's done

21:22 to fix himself as a shooter ever since, you know, the end of the finals run, right? Like he had that

21:28 great game one, but he still was what I would consider an inconsistent shooter. He came back

21:33 last year. It was like a revelation. What we're seeing this year is that on steroids. So it's like

21:40 you have to attribute you to the hard work to improving a glaring weakness. First, second,

21:45 I think, like you said, is opportunity, right? They've, they've cleared the path for him.

21:50 They've given him the keys. They've embraced him. Is this, you know, not just a sixth man type guard,

21:56 but a integral part to their success. I also, then you then have to go to, you know, he's more

22:04 comfortable, right? Like this is a guy who came over mid season that takes time to acclimate.

22:10 Then last year. Okay. Well now even after making the finals, he has to figure out his role now

22:15 with Brogdon in the mix. Now he can fully feel confident in his role on the team and how they

22:23 want him to play. How many times have we heard Jason Tatum be like, we all need to like, we yell

22:28 at Derek that he needs to be more aggressive. Now he shaved his head. He turned into Michael Jordan

22:34 and now he has no problem being an aggressive player. And you can see what a difference that

22:40 makes just because, you know, now you have to worry about him, not just as a catch and shoot

22:45 three point shooter, but he's taking pull up threes off screens. He's driving to the rim

22:49 and getting to his float game. He's shooting 15, 16, 17 times a night, which are things that I

22:55 don't think we would have dreamed of his first year and a half as a Celtic. So I think you're

23:01 seeing a guy enter his NBA prime. Who's empowered, who's developing and who has the confidence that

23:09 if he has to feel like he needs to call his own number, that's not going to be a problem because

23:14 everybody knows this team is at his best when they have an aggressive Derek.

23:17 Yeah. I mean, I'm just taking victory laps here. I love Derek White. It's been awesome.

23:23 You're ahead of me. No doubt about it. He was just, he's just like,

23:26 gives the game what it needs. And that varies from night to night and from possession to possession.

23:32 But the guy's just, I mean, he does everything well. And again, he's probably not going to make

23:35 the all-star team just because that's not how this works, but he's certainly playing on an

23:39 all-star level. I mean, he plays both ends of the floor. He's a highly efficient score,

23:43 moves the ball around cuts. There's all this stuff. I mean, you guys,

23:47 he's as good as it gets and he's like overqualified, but yet perfect for this team.

23:57 Like overqualified to be on this team. Like he should be on a different team with more

24:01 responsibility to be frankly, honestly, however, on this team, the fact that he's so good at so

24:06 many things just gets highlighted every single night because every night Boston seems to need a

24:11 little something different, right? Tatum hasn't been on the best shooting, you know, rhythm the

24:15 past couple of games. So we've needed a little bit more Derek White in terms of shooting the

24:18 basketball. You know, I tracked it with, with Weiss that the shot distribution has changed a

24:24 little bit. And the biggest change is that Derek White's just taking more shots and guess what?

24:29 It's good for business, baby. We love it here. We love this stuff. I am, I am such a big,

24:35 I was a proponent of him being the starting point guard when the year started. Cause he's the only

24:39 guy I thought was capable of making an entry pass on this team. He just, he's, he's excellent. I,

24:46 I smile every time I see him play, you know, he's just perfect. And, and the fact he's humble about

24:52 the whole thing too, which makes him even more like, like it'd be hard press for any non Celtic

24:59 fan. I obviously sees fans. We're all obsessed with the team. It's fine. The biggest compliment

25:05 is when other fan bases are like, man, I wish we could have Derek White. Or like my favorite is

25:10 I'll get in these like rabbit holes with, with Spurs fans who were like, you know, should we have

25:16 kept Dejounte Murray or Derek White? And every answer is Derek White. Everybody's like, no,

25:21 we should have kept Derek. Derek's awesome. And then I heard Simmons today with Justin Termini

25:25 talking about how they, you just can't believe what they got Derek White for.

25:30 When you look back at the trade people, again, people at our own company, Kaufman

25:34 did not like this trade. Not very anti you can't believe you're giving up future assets for Derek

25:40 White. What are you talking about? Josh Richardson's playing. What are you doing now?

25:45 Romeo we're giving up on a Romeo Langford for, for Derek. Now we're all here saying this is such

25:51 a steal of a trade. Brad has just masterfully put this roster together. Beast by beast,

25:57 little by little. And now you're at the point where the Celtics have, you know, outside of

26:02 Philly's best five who inflated their stats against really awful competition. Now they did

26:08 beat the wolves the other night, so I will give them credit for that. But the Celtics have just,

26:12 if not the best five minute league, one of the best five minutes of the league. And that's

26:17 because they got the guy pulling the strings, Brad Stevens, who sees the future. It's amazing.

26:20 And I think we're seeing why Derek turned down that early extension. Yeah. It's a bummer, huh?

26:26 You know, you're going to have, you're going to have to max them out at this, at this rate. He's,

26:31 he's playing his lane to a max extension, whatever that number is.

26:34 I mean, you can't not give it to him. Kaufman. You've been talking about this for years.

26:39 This is the, this is going to be the guy that makes wick put his money where his mouth is right

26:44 here. Oh yeah. If, if it's very obvious in Kaufman, this has been your, you've been on this

26:51 for like four years. Cause you're like, he keeps saying when the team's right, they'll spend it in

26:55 the tax. Very clear at this point, Derek white needs to be on this team. You're going to have

27:01 to pay the tax to retain the services. Let's see it. Wick. Let's see. He's not the only one true.

27:08 Drew's coming up to extension. So it's like, this is your put up or shut up moment. This is it.

27:14 It's it's no brain. Oh, you gave Jason Tatum a max extension. Oh, you gave jail in a supermax.

27:18 Yeah. No kidding. Like that's not a hard decision to make. These are the ones where

27:24 you have a guy who isn't an all-star quote, but is so integral to your team and is playing so well,

27:32 you now have to pay him like an all-star. If you don't, you don't have any way to replace it.

27:38 So if that means that, you know, you got to jack up, take your prices, jack them up because every

27:43 single fan will pay more to keep Derek white on this roster. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Well,

27:49 just to see a, an annual contender, you know, which obviously this team is,

27:54 is built to be like, you could make cases over the last couple of years, you know,

27:58 who was the guy that, that was, that wick was, you know, we keep saying wick because obviously he is

28:04 the chairman, but wick and company, the ownership group that was going to make them collectively,

28:09 potentially a little bit uncomfortable was Grant Williams going to be the guy you had to give,

28:14 you know, give grant 40, $50 million. Well, you could have made the case, you know, for obviously

28:20 his role on the team, he fit a, a certain need, but he wasn't irreplaceable. You know, you allow

28:29 yourselves to, you know, get nothing in return for Derek white, Derek white just leaves. Like

28:34 you've created a hole, you have created a gigantic problem. And I, I just have to believe that,

28:41 you know, this goes beyond that ownership group again, saying they're willing to spend and being

28:48 fans of the team. In addition to owning the team, this is good business sense. This is being,

28:54 you know, this is the breeding ground for the guys making the billions of dollars that they have to

29:01 get where they are in their careers. This is looking at it and saying, you know, if, if we

29:07 can win titles, you know, or at least be in the title conversation annually, you know, it's that

29:12 much more we're making, like you said, on ticket sales on rev, you know, merchandising, like

29:16 everything it's, you know, bringing, bringing, it sounds so ridiculous that we're talking about,

29:21 you know, Derek white in this way, but that's where you're at. Because like you said, greenie,

29:25 you don't have a question when it, unless you're like the red Sox with Mookie Betts and Xander

29:29 Bogarts, you don't have a question when you are a basketball team and you have a top level,

29:35 you know, talent and, and two of the better players to, you know, one, a top five, another,

29:40 a top, whatever we want to call Brown, 15, 20 player in the NBA. I realized the money doesn't

29:47 equate and that drives people nuts. But you know, when you have these two upper echelon players,

29:52 yeah, you got to pay them. Derek white, you know, drew holiday, Chris taps, Porzingis,

29:58 obviously Porzingis already got his deal. Like this is, this is not cutting time. This is when

30:03 obviously you have to pay these guys to keep yourselves at that threshold. Yeah. And I just

30:08 think it's the reality of life in the NBA, right? Like I think we're all pretty certain drew

30:13 holidays, turning down his player option this, this summer. So he can get his new deal. You have

30:19 this year and next year with Derek white. If you don't extend Derek white this summer, NBA history

30:26 tells you, you have to then trade him because if you don't and he leaves you for nothing, you're

30:33 already a second apron team. You don't have, you know, it's not like all that money comes off your

30:38 books and you can spend 30 million on another player. If you don't extend him while he has one

30:43 non, a fully guaranteed year left, you have to get ahead of it because the longer you wait,

30:49 if you wait until the trade deadline, his value goes under. So I just think people,

30:54 and I think WIC probably understands the fact that like, like you said, it's not just that

30:59 in the NBA, you have to pay your good players. His team is going to drastically change and they

31:05 will be forced to make a trade or do something that probably makes them worse. If he doesn't

31:11 pony up and as long as they're past the second apron, who gives a shit how much it costs? Like,

31:17 it's not like you are trying to be under that line. You're already past it, right? You have Tatum

31:23 Supermax coming down the road anyways, after next summer. So it's like, if you want to contend,

31:28 you have to pay. If you don't pay, you have to gut your roster because you do not have the tools

31:34 to replace those players. And I do not think we want Brad operating in a position where he is

31:40 trying to make a trade without leverage. It's just not the recipe for success. So this is it. You

31:45 either extend them this summer or your hand NBA history tells you it's kind of like what the

31:50 bulls are going through right now with like DeMar DeRozan. They didn't extend him. He's now an

31:55 expiring deal. The longer they hold him, his value is going to tank. It's like, if you are going to

32:01 decide that you don't want to keep a player, you have to trade them a year early as opposed to the

32:07 year they're an expiring deal. That's just how it works. On top of that greedy. And you know,

32:11 people who are much smarter than me, not exclusive group, by the way, have written about this and,

32:17 and, you know, the, the capologists out there have examined like people, we talk about this,

32:22 you know, the Royal, we, we talk about the whole, like the second apron. Oh my God,

32:26 what's that going to mean? The penalties. When you have the kind of money, these guys have owners of,

32:33 of basketball franchises, the penalties are truly not that severe. They're not that egregious to

32:41 where, you know, you're going to be, at least if you have a contending teams, one thing, if you

32:46 don't, but if you have a contending team, like the warriors for so long and, and, you know, spending

32:52 the way they spent or obviously the Celtics, the way they're positioned right now among other teams,

32:57 it shouldn't scare you off. It's not so much money where it's like, I don't know, can we like,

33:03 we're tight around the collar. Can we do that? No, of course you do that. You don't even hesitate

33:08 to do it because you want banners. Right. And I think the penalties for the second apron,

33:13 I always view more, the things that matter are the team building restrictions. You can't count,

33:18 you know, you can't combine salaries. You can't sign buyout guys. That's what matters.

33:23 If it comes to just wick writing a check, like you're the majority owner of the Boston Celtics,

33:27 who have been the best team in the league and are in a title window. If you're not prepared

33:31 to reach into your billions, sell the team to someone that will like, what are we talking?

33:36 Like we like take a look around you what's happening with the other franchises in your city

33:41 and what's happening where those riches, how billionaires are getting rid of generational

33:47 talent because they don't want to pay. It has closed their title window. You're going to

33:51 willingly do that because you don't want to write like a $70 million tax bill that, you know, you're

33:56 probably regaining an interest by the time you wake up the next morning. I just think, you know,

34:02 wick to his credit has stepped up when he's been in these spots before. Well, now we're talking

34:08 about money that's higher than anything he's ever had to pay when he has previously stepped up and

34:13 footed the bill. You know, it's a lot easier to, you know, foot a max contract when that max

34:19 contract's a hundred mil. Well, now what are you going to do when that max contract is 225? It's

34:23 just, it's a different scale, but if you win, you're going to be making so much money that I

34:30 just, I mean, I don't know what his finances work, but common sense says if your team is good and

34:35 you're the only team in the city that is contending and people are buying your products and the

34:41 ratings are going up and you know, you have one of the faces of the lead. My gut says that probably

34:46 brings in a decent amount of revenue to offset your tax penalty. It's not like you're paying

34:52 second apron money for a 30 win team that nobody cares about. You know, and I hadn't even thought

34:57 about this, Ev until Greeny just mentioned it, but there is maybe I'm more of a sucker for this

35:04 than is, is true, but there there's a narrative street component to that. There's, there's ego

35:10 on the part of the ownership group of the Celtics, or at least there could be ego there where you

35:14 look at it and say, as Greeny said, like the Bruins fine. I mean, they're, they're playing well,

35:19 but they're probably not going to win a cup. You know, the, the, and when I say that, I mean,

35:24 like in, in the next few years, the, the Patriots, obviously, yeah, they could turn things around if

35:29 they draft the next guy in, in, in the upcoming draft at the quarterback position. But right now

35:34 it's in shambles. The red Sox, I mean, need, they need to be sold and be in the hands of,

35:39 you know, ownership group that actually is going to spend again and spend the right way.

35:43 So the Celtics, they have a window here where it can be the freaking eighties again, man. I mean,

35:52 they can be the center of the basketball universe. And not only that they can be the only show in

35:58 town, they can be the talk of Boston when it comes to sports. And I have to think Wick and

36:04 company are aware of that. 100%. These guys aren't, these guys are not stupid. I mean, they're,

36:08 you know, they're all doing very well for themselves for a particular reason. And if you

36:13 need any advice on what it's like to own the city for a while, just ask Robert Kraft, you know,

36:17 life's really good. Life's great when you own the city, especially in a city that loves sports as

36:20 much as Boston does. And you're right. I mean, the red Sox are an absolute disaster, an absolute

36:25 joke. I don't want to get into that. Cause I'm gonna get really mad about it. The Bruins are fun,

36:29 right? They're, they're, they're playing fun in the Patriots, you know, look 20 years of

36:34 unprecedented dominance. Like it's going to eventually come back down and they're gonna

36:37 have to rebuild and we'll see how it goes. But Boston has an excellent opportunity to become

36:41 the face of a city that loves sports. And that's as you, you know, talk to, you know, people that

36:45 work in programming in people that, you know, do radio shows are the country. There's a reason why

36:51 the ratings in Boston, Trump, whatever's in LA, the people that live in the city of Boston,

36:56 the people that root for these teams are way more fanatic about it than the people that live

37:01 on the other side of the state. And again, by owning a city that loves sports, you're going

37:06 to be in the new cycle, 365 days a year. And that's good for biz, right? You're, you're constantly

37:12 call it top of mind, advertiser, top of mind, whatever you're always in, in the views and

37:17 in the brains and the ears of, of everybody that, that watches his team. And that's going to be a

37:22 positive thing. I, again, this is, this is going to be real interesting. This off season. I know

37:26 we're, we're fast forwarding a little bit and we've been fast forwarding for the entire season,

37:29 pending the guests. I mean, yes, last this earlier this week, Steve will pet much like

37:34 some other guys who had the show. Like it doesn't matter. This team doesn't make it. The season

37:37 doesn't matter. You got to wait for the post season. So we're just sitting here waiting for

37:40 the post season. Well, now here we are waiting for the off season to figure out what wick's going to

37:44 do and what the rest of the guys are going to do in terms of keeping this group together. Cause

37:47 this is a special, special group of guys and you know, it's going to be costly. Sure. But I don't

37:53 think golden state, uh, uh, has any reservations about paying all those guys as much as they did.

38:00 They were the face of the league for a long time. Steph Curry was the face of basketball,

38:04 probably still is kind of for a long time. I'm not saying Tim's gonna be the face of basketball.

38:08 We'll see. It's already kind of that way. Like to what you're talking about when the

38:13 does retire, when Steph does retire, you know, keep in mind how much younger the Jays are than

38:18 these guys. Like if it doesn't mean what it once did, obviously, I know you're getting a pair of

38:23 those new shoes, a flower in the garden. Those are the Celtics could be the lead on sports center

38:29 every night, man. Like that's, that's what they could be. That is the world that they could be

38:34 entering into. We'll talk about the rest of this West coast trip here in a sec, but have let's,

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41:15 There was a, a bet to that point. I think it's real. I mean, I've seen the bet slip circulating

41:21 on social media. I guess it could be Photoshop, but I think it's real, uh, on, I believe, well,

41:27 I'm not sure which book was used, but the, uh, and this was made prior to that game in which the,

41:33 the Pistons were again, favored to beat the jazz. Uh, it was the Pistons to not win another game

41:39 this season. Somebody bet $40 to win 40,000. If that's not enough, if you win that bet,

41:48 I feel like they should give you like a million dollars.

41:50 If the Pistons go winless the rest of the way plus, you know, however many zeros that is.

41:54 Now we do have to say though, you know, they have these two back to back against Brooklyn.

41:59 I think if they lose both of those, it's the Celtics game on the 28th. That's for the all-time

42:05 record. I don't know. There's like 3% of me. That's like, hold on a minute. No, no, no, no.

42:12 They're not like 3% of me. That would it's their first game coming off the, uh, West coast ship.

42:19 I believe, I think they're going to have two or three days off. I don't know. I know like that

42:25 just screams a game to me where a lot of years, here's the thing, right? Big seven threes or

42:30 something crazy. Here's the thing. We've been doing this all season long. We had bullpen on last, uh,

42:35 on Monday. And one of the things that we talked about was the way this season feels different

42:40 because the Celtics seem to pick themselves up when they fall, they catch themselves a little

42:44 bit. Now that can be within the same game, right? They could, they could blow a lead and take it

42:48 right back. We've seen that already this year, or in the instance where they lose to golden state,

42:53 they play the next night after going on overtime without all these dead legs, they get on a bus

42:58 ride. Nobody says a word, the entire bus ride, they refocus up and they pull the doors off the

43:02 Sacramento Kings. So this team did, you know, in the past, greenie I'm with you. This is a,

43:07 like, this is a trap game. We're all looking at it, but this is, this is old Celtics teams.

43:13 I'm with you. I think I'd be a little more nervous about this with this team this year.

43:16 I'm not even sweating this. These guys are professionals. They're going to,

43:19 as long as they're healthy, like, like I'm almost to the point and maybe green, you tweeted this

43:24 out. It's like, as long as Chris steps, poor Zingas is on this team. Like they're just going

43:28 to beat most of the teams they play. Like as long as he plays, because he presents such an

43:32 interesting nightmare matchup for so many teams, like the fact that they just went, you know, uh,

43:37 get the switch. They wanted to that. Like Kevin Herter probably still has nightmares about Chris

43:42 steps, poor thing is after what ports the other night in Sacramento, as long as they have their

43:47 full compliment of players, or at least the majority of them, including poor thing is white.

43:51 They're going to win that game. I'm not even sweating. I'm just putting it into the basketball

43:55 universe, the basketball gods. I respect the Detroit Pistons. I am not overlooking that game.

44:00 I am not chalking it up to a, an automatic. I just think, you know, it's going to be the worst

44:06 day of my life. If they are the team that 28 game losing streak, I mean, that's just going to be a

44:12 tough day for me and I just don't want it. All right. In a few minutes, we've got left here.

44:17 There are a couple more games on the West coast. And while I think most people to some degree are,

44:24 or at least mentally may be taking for granted a win over the Lakers on Christmas day, even though

44:29 we know LeBron and company are going to be absolutely amped. I mean, it may as well be

44:33 the in-season championship game all over again, Christmas day clash with the Celtics, you know,

44:39 bus is going to be rolling over in his grave. We're going to have John C. Riley in attendance

44:45 out there, you know, in, in, in costume decked out cheering on the Lakers maybe. But this first one,

44:52 this next one against the Clippers on Saturday night, they're, they're not your dad's Clippers

44:56 anymore, folks. I mean, this team has won nine out of 10. They're, they're blowing doors. And

45:00 most of those they've got James Harden turned back the clock. Russell Westbrook has a roll

45:05 off the bench. Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are playing most nights. These guys are connected.

45:10 They're playing well. Ty Lou has, has tapped in. He's got it figured out with this collection of

45:15 former and still some current all-stars. What are your expectations for this game?

45:19 Really? I think, you know, whenever Tatum, I feel like he always goes crazy against the Clippers.

45:29 If he plays, I mean, I don't know if we're thinking this is playing, I'm just going to assume

45:33 everybody's back. I think it's going to be another iron sharpens iron type test. You know,

45:40 there are no cupcake games on this four game road trip. I think if you want to, if you want to talk

45:46 about the Celtics being the best team in the NBA, this dominant team, they have all this talent.

45:50 Well, that means that when you go up against talent, you still have to beat it. It's not an

45:55 excuse to, Oh, this is, you know, the same way it's not an excuse. Like, Oh, they lost to Golden

46:00 State. They're still pretty good. Well, no, they had enough talent to win. I think, you know,

46:05 you're going to have to battle the nightlife of LA being undefeated that I'm sure they've been there

46:11 for a little while now. And, you know, I, I like these in-season tests of, you know, where are you

46:19 amongst some of the hottest teams or most talented teams in the league? They're deep,

46:24 just like you are. They're well coached just like you are. And they feel revitalized now that they've

46:30 made their lineup change to have hardened being, you know, they're starting guard when he's engaged.

46:35 We know when, when Harlan was on a team and that team is in the honeymoon phase,

46:40 that team is really good. So, you know, I do not think this is going to be a game where

46:45 the Southers can just show up and think that they're going to roll over. I think,

46:48 you know, given how well the Clippers are playing, you're trying to take you being on your,

46:53 you know, P's and Q's to, to pull out a win. And it would not shock me if this is another

46:59 clutch time opportunity against a good defense that has good size that you're going to have to

47:04 execute down the stretch. -

47:06 Yep. - Yeah. I mean, this is,

47:10 this is going to be an, again, another tough one. This has been like the most grueling schedule

47:15 that I can remember. Just playing the toughest schedule where out of the gate like this is

47:21 not fun for anybody. And at that same, you know, I'd sound like a hypocrite if I,

47:26 if I didn't at least admit to the fact that I like this, like there was a take earlier in the

47:32 season when I wanted Boston to do as well as they could in the in-season tournament, because you're

47:36 going to play better teams and like playing better teams, you'll get a better idea of where you're at

47:40 instead of playing cupcakes the entire time. So I, I, I do, I am excited for this, both of these

47:46 games. Cause again, like Kauffman said, I think that the Lakers are coming out guns blazing here

47:51 for sure. I mean, that's just the way - - Yeah, I don't think you can, like,

47:53 I think they're one in five since the tournament, but like - - Yeah, but this is going to be - -

47:57 - I'm talking about Celtics-Lakers, like - - Yeah, LeBron's getting up for this game,

48:00 folks. There's no question about that. But this, this, you know, it's a measuring stick game,

48:05 I think for Tatum and Brown specifically, because they're looking at two guys that are the older

48:08 version of themselves, right? With George and with, with Kawhi. And, you know, I, I don't know

48:13 if it was the last time they played Kawhi or maybe two before that, where Tatum, like, went at Kawhi,

48:18 I think it was maybe two years ago. First game was in LA and they went at it. And the Clippers

48:22 were, I think, a tough one in overtime. - Overtime, yeah.

48:25 - And then the Celtics came back when they played in Boston and just absolutely, I think, I think

48:28 they beat them pretty handily throughout the entire game. And I remember Tatum kind of being,

48:32 like, like he's just going at Kawhi the entire game, trying to show the world, like, hey,

48:37 you're the old, you're old news, I'm the new guy, like, this is the way it's going to be.

48:41 I am excited for that. I love when they take matchups personally. And then, and you know,

48:45 LeBron's taking this personally, like, you just know it. And, you know, he probably still has

48:49 Eastern Conference Finals games, you know, against the KG Celtics still buried in his

48:54 head somewhere where he's, he's just fired up about, you know, he sees green and all of a

48:58 sudden he gets nuts. So it should be fun. I, you know, coming out of this trip to, you know,

49:03 they can get out of two and two, one, two, three, and three and one. That's a terrific trip,

49:08 a terrific trip. And this team has been dialed tested so far. So you got to feel confident

49:12 heading into this thing. But as long as they keep moving the basketball the way they've been moving

49:16 it, good luck. Good luck. Yeah. And I think, you know, again, assuming Tatum plays, I think it's

49:21 a good test for him of like, hey, the rest of your team did you a solid salvage the trip up to this

49:28 point by winning in Sacramento. Now's the time for you to say, all right, I'm back. Don't worry

49:33 about it. I'm going to make sure we finish this trip strong. It's kind of like a, it's like a

49:39 statement final two games of, all right, you, you know, you had your struggles against Golden State.

49:45 You responded without the best player against Sacramento. If he's going to be back, these are

49:50 the two games where Tatum says, hey, Kawhi, Paul George, LeBron, you guys are old news. This is now

49:57 how the NBA is going to work. I'm a top five, top 10 guy. I would hope that he could elevate his

50:04 game to make sure like they can't afford a Tatum egg. They can't afford a Jalen egg. Like these

50:10 are the type of games where your best players need to step up, close out the trip, get home

50:16 with the momentum. And then you're going to, you know, start to enter the easier part of your,

50:20 of your schedule. I'm curious before we go, knowing that you are as passionate,

50:26 as lively, as self-expanded as one would find, certainly check out Greeny on,

50:31 on Twitter and you will see it in and around games, battling with people out there on social media.

50:37 Do you allow yourself, like, are you wired to allow yourself to believe this could be the year

50:44 or do you need to like, do they need to reach the NBA finals before you even let your brain go there?

50:53 No, I mean, I, the product I see on the court right now, I mean, I felt the Celtics have been

50:57 good enough to win the title probably since the bubble. I just think there's a difference between

51:02 are they good enough versus, you know, you and your brain saying, holy crap, they might actually

51:07 hoist the banner this year. Watch what I mean. That's, that's my, that's how I viewed them.

51:12 You know, especially these last two years, I just think, you know, we've seen a large enough

51:18 sample to know that when they play to their potential, they're the best team in the NBA.

51:22 They haven't won the title because their two best players have faltered in the two biggest moments

51:28 in consecutive seasons. That's just the reality. The hope is as you enter your NBA prime, if they

51:35 continue to play the system that has gotten them to where they are, they should win the NBA. I

51:42 don't even, I think even making the NBA finals and losing is a failure based on my own expectations.

51:48 There is, if they are healthy, there is not a team in the NBA that I would say it's okay that they

51:54 did not win an NBA championship over if they play to their potential. I just think, you know,

52:00 there's a lot of variables in the playoffs, there's matchups, there's injuries. Even knowing all that,

52:06 you cannot look at this team and say, this is not a true tier one NBA championship.

52:13 I'm with you, man. I totally agree.

52:17 Just need to see it play out. It's a good conversation to take us into the Christmas

52:21 break. Of course, we hope everyone has been enjoying their holiday season thus far. If you

52:26 celebrated, you know, Hanukkah, hopefully it was a happy Hanukkah and Christmas right around the

52:31 corner. Have a very merry Christmas, you, your families, whatever it is that you celebrate.

52:35 Obviously, we hope it's a wonderful time, a restful time. You get to mix in some basketball

52:40 on Christmas day. That'll be great for all of us, sitting around all the football. NFL is

52:44 still going to find a way to strip Christmas away from the NBA because football's king. That's just

52:49 the way, the way the ratings work, but maybe not in Boston, maybe not in Boston. It'll be a big

52:54 focus on Celtics-Lakers. It's going to be a huge game to close out that trip. Hopefully they get

52:59 that win against the Clippers first. And we will be back with you sometime next week before the

53:05 new year for one more check-in on 2023 before we turn the calendar in 2024. But it's been

53:11 an awesome time, loads of fun. Greeny, we always enjoy when you hop on with us, obviously, bud.

53:17 And, you know, happy holidays to you. We'll do it again soon. Absolutely. Appreciate it.

53:21 All right. For Dan Greenberg and Valenti, I'm Adam Kaufman. This has been Celtics Beat. Thanks

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