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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Senator Dr Afnan Ullah PMLN
- Sharmila Farooqi PPP
Why could the PTI leaders not meet Imran Khan today? - Salman Akram Raja's Reaction
Kya PTI Kay Achay Din Anay Walay Hen??? - Salman Akram Raja's reaction on Hamid Raza's statement
"Imran Khan Kay Case Ka Faisla Ju Bhi Ho, Muzakrat Par Asar Nahi Hoga", Salman Akram Raja
Pakistan Main Internet Ki Bandish - 1.6 Arab Dollar Ka Nuqsaan? - Afnan Ullah Tell Inside story
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Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Senator Dr Afnan Ullah PMLN
- Sharmila Farooqi PPP
Why could the PTI leaders not meet Imran Khan today? - Salman Akram Raja's Reaction
Kya PTI Kay Achay Din Anay Walay Hen??? - Salman Akram Raja's reaction on Hamid Raza's statement
"Imran Khan Kay Case Ka Faisla Ju Bhi Ho, Muzakrat Par Asar Nahi Hoga", Salman Akram Raja
Pakistan Main Internet Ki Bandish - 1.6 Arab Dollar Ka Nuqsaan? - Afnan Ullah Tell Inside story
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00:00Asalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Ameem and today's Top Stories is Muzakira.
00:14We have started but couldn't meet Mr. Khan today.
00:17How fast this phase will move ahead and what will happen next.
00:20We will talk about this in the first segment of the program.
00:22After that, the internet ban in Pakistan has come to number one in the list of economic losses.
00:29This is a moment of concern for all of us.
00:31We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:33In the end, the Pakistani Republic is facing serious threats.
00:36We will talk about exactly how the PILDAT report has been issued this week in the last part of the program.
00:42Let's start. Pakistan is increasing the practice of justice negotiations.
00:45We have also seen from the government that the atmosphere is good.
00:49The kind of statements that are being given, the kind of careful language that is being used around the negotiations.
00:56This is a good sign because after many years of polarization and toxicity,
01:02it is still there but at least we are moving towards talking.
01:05This is a good sign.
01:07But during this time, we have also seen some reservations.
01:10Mr. Mehmood Khan Achakzai categorically said that why are the negotiations taking place?
01:15What will be achieved by this?
01:17He is very sceptical about this negotiation.
01:19What did he say?
01:21Hand over the stolen mandate to that party.
01:24Negotiations are taking place.
01:26What kind of negotiations?
01:28Is this a legitimate government that my friends are negotiating with?
01:33So, Mr. Achakzai raised a question on the legitimacy of the government.
01:37The government is asking for its demands in writing.
01:42The government is asking for its demands in writing.
01:47The government is asking for its demands in writing.
01:51Why are there so many differences in the meetings?
01:54We will also ask this to our guest today.
01:56But why is Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf not giving its demands in writing?
02:00Rana Sanaw Allah Sahib smells something fishy.
02:02He says that he does not want to tell. He does not want to sabotage.
02:05We have heard his language.
02:07Why is Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf not giving its demands in writing?
02:10Why is Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf not giving its demands in writing?
02:11They have not presented their demands in writing.
02:13They are in a hurry.
02:14What do you think is the reason for this?
02:16I am aware of my assessment.
02:20But since I am a member of the committee, I do not want to say anything
02:24that would raise objections.
02:28On the other hand, the allies of Tehreek-e-Insaaf think that
02:34the time to cry has passed and the time to smile is coming.
02:37Mr. Hamid Reza has tweeted this many times.
02:42They have started practicing.
02:45Time is coming soon. You will see. Listen to those voices.
02:49After two and a half years of beatings and sacrifices,
02:51it is time for us to smile.
02:55Tehreek-e-Insaaf's body language, tone, speech and attitude
03:00were refreshingly strong.
03:04This is their own opinion.
03:06They are speaking very strongly.
03:08Tehreek-e-Insaaf's body language, tone, speech and attitude
03:11were refreshingly strong.
03:32Tehreek-e-Insaaf's body language, tone, speech and attitude
03:36were refreshingly strong.
03:38They are speaking very strongly.
03:40They are speaking very strongly.
03:42They are using a very soft language.
03:44They are using a very soft language.
03:46On the other hand, there is a threat of street pressure.
03:52On the other hand, there is a threat of street pressure.
03:54On the other hand, there is a threat of street pressure.
03:56Politicians say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:00They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:04They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:06They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:08They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:10They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:12They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:14They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:16They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:18They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:20They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:22They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:24They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:26They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:28They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:30They say that Pakistan is buying time.
04:32On the other hand, there are taking to the government.
04:34On the other hand, there are taking to the government.
04:36They show they have to leave, but it's noticeable in their statements.
04:38They show they have to leave, but it's noticeable in their statements.
04:40Slip of tongue, carefully crafted propaganda.
04:44Anyone can use these words as they wish.
04:48Even Wazir Azam Shahbaz is being manipulated.
04:50He has been certified by other things, but nothing has stopped him from police cut him.
04:58This is a great, beautiful, and reverent change.
05:00I have not seen such a partnership in the past, I have a lot of doubts, but I pray that this
05:14partnership continues to the next day."
05:18And these doubts were further clarified by Azma Bukhari Sahiba, who said that if the
05:27people are forgiven, then they will be forgiven again and again.
05:30She was complaining to the third party, she was giving a message to them, to the PMLN.
05:37Listen.
05:38A person who is apologizing will be forgiven, and if there is relief for such incitements,
05:44then I am sorry, then on 9th May, there will be again and again, you will see.
05:47On one hand, you write an apology letter, and on the other hand, you go out and say that
05:51the same emotions are ready to come back on 9th May.
05:54These people are not worthy of forgiveness, they should not be forgiven.
05:56This is a request from the Pak Army, I think they will have to think about it again.
06:27in the next few days.
06:28This is a request from you that we have met the Pir, the government does not give permission,
06:34if permission is given, then it is given three days later.
06:36What is the mechanism of permission, and why is there such a pause in the meetings?
06:41Yes, the last meeting that took place on 2nd January, we said that we will meet today,
06:47tomorrow.
06:48From our side, there is no delay in this, but it is obvious that the meeting with Imran
06:55Khan Sahib is necessary, and in such an environment where we can talk openly.
07:00Earlier, there was a meeting in a small, narrow room, where it was completely visible that
07:05the families were also present, the relatives were also present, so this is not a meeting.
07:10We need such a meeting where we can have all the discussions openly, and the future
07:16plan can be decided.
07:18Where can that meeting be held?
07:20Where can it be held?
07:22What is the recommended place?
07:24It can be held in a small room, instead of a small room, if there is a lawn, a field,
07:32it can be held anywhere.
07:34In the past, such meetings have been held outside that room.
07:38There is no reason not to meet outside that small room.
07:42There are 6-7 people from the Muzakirati Committee, there is no place to sit in that
07:48room where a meeting was held.
07:50I think it was a legitimate request.
07:54It has not been confirmed yet.
07:56Today is 4th.
07:58Obviously, a couple of days have passed.
08:00If it happens tomorrow or the day after, then the next day.
08:04What is the reason given?
08:06Because it was decided, as far as I know, that if the Muzakirati Committee is to be
08:10promoted, then the government will facilitate regular meetings.
08:14But they are not happening.
08:16What is the reason given for that?
08:18There is no reason given.
08:20That is why we are waiting.
08:22If we want to move this action forward quickly, then it should not be delayed.
08:28And who has the right to permit this?
08:32Of course, legally, it is the right of the government.
08:36The administrative control over the JEC is that of the Punjab government or the
08:42Iraqi government.
08:44It is possible to hold regular meetings.
08:46Then Mr. Sadaullah or Mr. Ishaqdar are their representatives.
08:50Mr. Ishaqdar is almost a deputy prime minister, de facto prime minister.
08:54They operate in the same area.
08:56You are not getting permission.
08:58If you are not getting permission to meet, then how confident are you that
09:02they will have authority over the rest of the conditions and TORs and their
09:06implementation?
09:10They have to answer this question.
09:12We have come with a clear intention.
09:14We have come with a clear intention.
09:16This was demanded in the media and in the political circles.
09:20Why don't you talk?
09:22Mr. Imran Khan said, let's talk.
09:24If you have the right to listen to us, then listen to us and act.
09:30The demands we are making are absolutely legitimate.
09:34There is a law in relation to the commission of inquiry.
09:38We are just saying that under that law, you should make a commission of
09:42inquiry.
09:44We will not talk about the martyrs.
09:46We will not talk about their ancestors.
09:48They are not making the government.
09:50They are not making the government.
09:52They are not letting you meet.
09:54This is an interesting dynamic.
09:56Look, no one can complain to us that we were not ready to talk.
10:00We did not try to advance political action.
10:04We did not try to advance legal action.
10:06Similarly, we are talking about the release of prisoners.
10:10Mr. Imran Khan's release is included in this.
10:12This is the last release that we want.
10:14If all the other prisoners are released, then they will also be released.
10:18We are saying that you can give bail in the law.
10:20Why are you in jail on the way to bail?
10:22People have been in jail for the past two years.
10:26The trial is not being completed.
10:28Shah Mahmood Qureshi was sentenced to 500 days.
10:30Yasmeen Rashid is in jail for more than that.
10:34Mr. Mahmood Rashid, Aijaz Chaudhary Sahib, Uttar Pradesh Chima and St. Luke.
10:40All these people should be released on bail.
10:42The case will continue.
10:44The case will continue.
10:46All the meetings that have been held so far,
10:48do you feel that the government's attitude is increasing?
10:52Do you feel that there is a lot of room for action at this point?
11:00There is room for action legally.
11:04There is room for action legally.
11:06We are not talking about the law here.
11:08There should be a lot of action legally.
11:10I am asking you politically.
11:12I am saying that since there is no legal action that is not going to happen,
11:20the rest is up to fate.
11:22The talks that have been held so far are obviously positive.
11:26That is why we believe that there will be some progress.
11:30But if there is no progress, then the matter will come to light.
11:34There was no objection from all sides that we will not talk.
11:38We will not sit down.
11:40We sat down and talked.
11:42In those meetings, Mr. Hamid Reza also goes with you.
11:44He feels that the days of smiling are coming.
11:46You share his enthusiasm.
11:48Do you also feel that the days of smiling are coming?
11:52I am a little more careful.
11:54I am a little more careful in this regard.
11:56I am not smiling right now.
11:58When there is a serious reason, I will smile.
12:02But obviously, they understand with a clear intention.
12:06They clearly understand that the matter should move forward.
12:10That is why I understand what they have said.
12:14Look at it in that context.
12:16I am not coming out.
12:18You will wait for a while.
12:20What is your policy before smiling?
12:22Wait and watch.
12:24Was it a unique thing for you that the government did not put an agenda in front of you?
12:32Did not put a formal demand from you?
12:34Did not put an agenda?
12:36Whenever there is a negotiation, it is based on some low and some high.
12:40They are not one-sided.
12:42They are sitting to give you relief.
12:44I am using the word relief in their context.
12:46They must also want something in return.
12:48You said that there is no demand.
12:50I had asked this.
12:52I had asked this.
12:54Mr. Zakdar said that there is no demand from our side.
12:56But I have said that if these two basic requirements are fulfilled,
13:04then the matter of stopping remittances or civil disobedience,
13:10we can take a second look at it.
13:12So that the next phase of negotiations can move forward.
13:16So from our side, if these two things are agreed upon,
13:22then we will stop the matter of remittances.
13:26Mr. Surai, if your two requirements are agreed upon,
13:30which are very strong requirements,
13:32and as a result, you will take back your demand for remittances,
13:36will the government not have any other requirement from you?
13:38They will say, okay, you can accept the remittances.
13:42We have come to an equal footing.
13:44We have come to a good deal.
13:46We have come to a good negotiation.
13:48Is it enough?
13:50The government has not made any requirement.
13:52I had asked.
13:54That is why I am surprised that when you discuss with each other,
13:56no demand has come from there.
13:58Isn't this surprising for you?
14:00Look, the written request that we had not given,
14:04nor any Charter of Demand,
14:06we had only asked that if there is an exchange of documents,
14:10when a written request will come from both sides,
14:14then this exchange of documents will be exchanged.
14:18But the answer from there was that there is no demand from our side.
14:22Right.
14:24So if there is no written document from there,
14:26will the written document be sent from your side?
14:30Or if a document comes, will you give it?
14:34No, we will not give it.
14:36We have made it clear that no document will come from their side.
14:40We will have a very short document,
14:44in which these two sentences will be written.
14:46I don't understand anything more than this.
14:50Okay, and if these sentences have to be written,
14:52it is decided, it is everyone's demand from the beginning.
14:54Children know this.
14:56You repeat it again and again in every press conference.
14:58So in writing those sentences,
15:00and till now,
15:02why is the duration so long?
15:04No, no, the duration has not increased because of writing sentences.
15:08This is happening because of the meeting with Imran Khan.
15:12Whatever delay is there,
15:16it is only because we are not able to meet with Imran Khan
15:20in a free environment of a joint nature.
15:24Okay.
15:26So I was listening to your statement,
15:28in which you said that if to allow the system to run,
15:32we have to find an opportunity.
15:34Especially if we talk about allowing the current system to run after the 2024 elections,
15:40then that opportunity can also be found.
15:42Do we understand this correctly?
15:44You are saying that this opportunity is possible
15:46because in those two demands of yours,
15:48your demand for 2024 elections is not visible.
15:52It is on the back burner.
15:54So this opportunity…
15:56No, no, I did not agree with that at all.
15:58I did not say that we will throw mud and say that everything is fine, everything is good.
16:04It will remain in its place.
16:06So what do you mean by an opportunity?
16:08How will the opportunity come out?
16:10Look, we are talking about a discussion.
16:12We would like to find an opportunity through a discussion.
16:14Look, a government has been established.
16:16The way it has been established,
16:18it is a government at the moment.
16:20If we have to turn this government,
16:22we think that there should be some other government,
16:24we have to move the process forward,
16:26from that point of view,
16:28I said that to move the process forward,
16:30we will come up with an opinion.
16:32This will not happen.
16:34If we snap our fingers,
16:36this government will not end.
16:38You are right.
16:40Can there be a mid-term election?
16:42Is there a formula like this for a mid-term election?
16:44Can we find an opportunity for that?
16:46Yes, there can be.
16:48Absolutely.
16:50There can be such things.
16:52And then we will be able to have that discussion.
16:54Okay.
16:56What is your legal team expecting
16:58from the decision of the £190 million case?
17:00Are you expecting this decision to be heard?
17:04Look, there is no reason
17:06that the decision should not be heard.
17:08But if it is not heard,
17:10then it is up to the judge.
17:12We think that the decision will be heard
17:14and we do not have any doubts about it.
17:16Just like the decision of Indut was made earlier,
17:18or the decision of Saif-ud-Din was made,
17:20the decision of the state will come.
17:22The decision of the state will come.
17:24Then we will take it to the court.
17:26In the past, decisions were made
17:28and they were dismissed in the court.
17:30So we do not have much to do
17:32in this regard.
17:34But we understand that there is no step.
17:36The government did not suffer any loss,
17:38nor did Mr. Khan or Mr. Mishra benefit from it.
17:40If this decision comes against them,
17:42if they are charged with a crime,
17:44then they will definitely investigate.
17:46Is there a connection
17:48to the negotiation process
17:50whether the decision should be heard or not?
17:52Because this decision should have been heard
17:54a few days ago, two weeks ago.
17:56It was not heard.
17:58Do you hope that this appeal
18:00will not be heard by some journalists
18:02who are claiming to be messengers?
18:06No, I do not associate this
18:08with the negotiation process.
18:10All these decisions are not
18:12warranted by us.
18:14These decisions are being heard
18:16as an argument.
18:18We will go to the court.
18:20We will fight the case
18:22at the legal and political level.
18:24We want to move forward
18:26for the welfare of the country.
18:28The atmosphere of lies, deceit,
18:30coercion and thorns is over.
18:32Will this negotiation process
18:34be affected
18:36if Mr. Peer is sentenced?
18:38Will this negotiation process
18:40be sabotaged?
18:42Will this negotiation process
18:44be affected by the conditions
18:46at the deadline?
18:48No, it will not affect me.
18:50We will see this decision
18:52separately.
18:54We will tell the world
18:56about this decision.
18:58We will also protest.
19:00But we believe that the negotiation
19:02process should continue.
19:04Do you think there will be
19:06a breakthrough by 31st January?
19:08If it has to happen, it will happen.
19:10If there is an intention
19:12to move forward,
19:14our demands are such
19:16that there should be
19:18no delay in accepting them.
19:20If it is not possible
19:22by 31st January,
19:24then it will be clear
19:26where the denial comes from.
19:28No one will be able to say
19:30that we did not sit down
19:32with the political leaders.
19:34You are buying some time.
19:36Do you think there will be
19:38a global political change
19:40after 20th January?
19:42No, it is not like that.
19:44On one hand, it is being said
19:46that we have given very little time
19:48and 31st January is very close.
19:50On the other hand, it is being said
19:52that we have given more time
19:54and why did we take the matter
19:56ahead of 20th January.
19:58So, there is a contradiction in
20:00both these things.
20:02Thank you very much.
20:04Pakistan Telecom, Salman Haji
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26:48that he is waiting for the answer from Starlink.
26:53We will talk about this.
26:54I have with me Dr. Afnarullah Khan,
26:56Rukun-e-Qaima Committee, Barahi IT Senate.
26:58Rukun-e-Qaima Committee, IT,
27:00Dr. Sharmila Faruqi is also here.
27:02Since both of them are here in this session,
27:04we will also ask about the report on the internet
27:07that has been published today.
27:08Thank you both very much.
27:10Doctor, both of you are doctors,
27:11let me call you Dr. Afnan.
27:13First of all, tell me,
27:15if you have seen this report today,
27:17it is damn negative.
27:19For 1 billion dollars from IMF,
27:21the way we have been humiliated,
27:24more than that, we have lost everything
27:25because of the internet.
27:27In the name of God, the most merciful, the most merciful.
27:30Look, there is no doubt in this
27:32that if the internet is shut down,
27:34it will have a bad impact on the economy of Pakistan.
27:37Especially on the IT sector.
27:39No one can deny this.
27:41As far as this report is concerned,
27:43it is not as easy as they have oversimplified it.
27:47Do you have any estimates
27:48that this is a loss?
27:50The government should find something of its own.
27:52If you do a simple math,
27:54there are official exports of 3.2 billion dollars.
27:57In reality, it is more than that
27:59because a lot of money is kept out
28:01by freelancers and IT companies.
28:03The money is also of the Pakistanis.
28:05If you look at it,
28:07it is a loss of 1.6 billion dollars.
28:09It is a loss of 1.6 billion dollars.
28:11It is a loss of 1.6 billion dollars.
28:13I can only give you an estimate
28:15to double this amount.
28:17It will be the same amount.
28:19If there is a loss of 7 billion dollars
28:21from the Pakistanis,
28:23you can divide it by 3.65 billion dollars per day.
28:26But let's agree on the fact
28:28that there is a loss.
28:30There is a financial loss.
28:32The dollar that we go to the countries
28:34to get extensions
28:36and our roll over happens,
28:38we are losing it because of our restrictions.
28:41We cannot contest this.
28:43I agree with you.
28:45If there is an internet outage,
28:47there will be a loss to the economy.
28:49There is no doubt about it.
28:51The government is trying to resolve these issues.
28:54How?
28:56If you tell me honestly
28:58that this is what we have done
29:00to resolve these issues.
29:02After a while, I will issue with you.
29:04You know that I have a lot of commitment
29:06to this cause.
29:08I also have a lot of commitment.
29:10The thing is that if you see
29:12the IT revolution in Pakistan,
29:14when did it happen?
29:16You must have an idea
29:18that Mian Nawaz Sharif
29:20started the telecom infrastructure in the 90s.
29:23After that, the Muslim League Noon
29:25came into power in 2013.
29:27They auctioned 3G and 4G licenses.
29:29The government was trying for at least 10 years
29:31but they could not do it.
29:33Because of its success,
29:35the investment was of billions of dollars.
29:37After that, the IT industry
29:38exports increased exponentially.
29:40You could not do it before.
29:42There is no way.
29:44Why are you turning it into a graveyard?
29:46I will give an example.
29:48Surveillance is a threat
29:50internationally.
29:52There is no doubt about it.
29:54Governments do surveillance
29:56on the internet.
29:58I am not taking the names of
30:00the big countries.
30:02But it does not cause a loss.
30:04The issue is that
30:06the internet is slowing down.
30:08We are working on
30:10addressing it.
30:12With time,
30:14the internet services
30:16have improved.
30:18If you compare it with
30:20the deployment of
30:22firewalls,
30:24there is an improvement.
30:26But there are still some issues.
30:28Let us ask Sharmila Sahiba.
30:30She was very vocal in this committee.
30:32I heard Sharmila's statements.
30:34Sharmila Sahiba,
30:36Mr. Afnaan is saying
30:38that the government
30:40is trying to solve this issue.
30:42You ask questions
30:44of the climate committee.
30:46Tell me,
30:48have you been able to identify
30:50who is the interior ministry?
30:52Who is the PTA?
30:54Who is Shaza Fatima Sahiba's
30:56own ministry?
30:58Have you been able to answer
31:00this question?
31:02Thank you, Maria.
31:04We have been going
31:06to the climate committee
31:08since August.
31:10This was the fourth meeting
31:12of the climate committee.
31:14The stance of the government
31:16is that there is
31:18no issue.
31:20In August,
31:22they told us that
31:24there is a cable which is
31:26broken.
31:28It will be fixed by October.
31:30In the recent committee,
31:32they said that the issue
31:34was resolved.
31:36There is no other issue
31:38in Pakistan.
31:40Everything is well.
31:42Mr. Afnaan is saying
31:44that the government
31:46is trying to solve this issue.
31:48When there is no problem
31:50as per the government,
31:52what is the government
31:54trying to do?
31:56E-commerce is ruined.
31:58Companies are shutting down.
32:00They are going to neighboring
32:02countries.
32:04The Prime Minister's
32:06vision is to increase
32:08export in the IT sector.
32:10Of course, it has a potential
32:12of exponential growth.
32:14There is no doubt about it.
32:16You are destroying the sector
32:18by installing firewalls and
32:20slowing down the internet.
32:22But no one is ready to believe it.
32:24Chairman PTA was very emotional
32:26during this meeting.
32:28He said that he will speak
32:30to the government.
32:32I felt pity for him.
32:34He said that he received a letter
32:36from the Ministry of Interior
32:38saying that he is bound
32:40to shut down the internet.
32:42There is definitely a security
32:44threat in the country.
32:46Do you remember how many
32:48bomb blasts there were in 2013?
32:50There were bomb blasts in
32:52Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad.
32:54There is no worse situation
32:56than that in Pakistan.
32:59Can you tell us what kind of
33:01threat is this?
33:03Who is the actual enemy here?
33:05You are trying to shut down
33:07the internet.
33:09The problem is that
33:11I know about the damage
33:13in my home.
33:15Similarly, there are
33:17other people in our
33:19friends and families.
33:21You are talking about e-commerce.
33:23You are giving a breakdown
33:25to people.
33:27Can you explain to people
33:29what the damage is?
33:31What is the extent of the
33:33problem?
33:35If the internet slows down,
33:37your business slows down.
33:39You cannot cater
33:41to your clients.
33:43What will you say?
33:45You are talking to
33:47international clients.
33:49The internet is slow.
33:51People get frustrated.
33:53The most important thing
33:55is connectivity.
33:57I was in Islamabad.
33:59My 6-year-old son was in
34:01Karachi.
34:03I could not talk to him on
34:05WhatsApp.
34:07I could not send him a voice
34:09note.
34:11This is a small problem
34:13in a normal family.
34:15The government says
34:17there is no problem and
34:19there is no damage.
34:21The top ten VPNs,
34:23Pasha, Statista are lying.
34:25The whole of Pakistan is
34:27lying.
34:29If the government says
34:31there is no problem,
34:33then nothing can be done.
34:35You talk about
34:37200,000 jobs and IT professionals.
34:39Your IT professionals
34:41have been taxed and killed.
34:43You are ruining their business.
34:45They will leave.
34:47The brain drain from your country
34:49is due to this.
34:51What do you say?
34:53When is the next meeting?
34:55The government does not
34:57agree.
34:59In this meeting,
35:01we have requested
35:03the chairman of our committee
35:05to call Pasha in the next
35:07meeting and
35:09Wazirat-e-Dakhla in the next
35:11meeting.
35:13We want to know the
35:15actual issue.
35:17Why is the internet
35:19shutting down?
35:21Where is the threat coming from?
35:23You are ready to
35:25do a benefit analysis.
35:27Short-term gains.
35:29If you are damaging Pakistan,
35:31where is the wisdom?
35:33The problem is that
35:35they do not have a solution to the
35:37political problem.
35:39That is why they are saying
35:41to slow down the internet.
35:43Political problems and issues
35:45are in their place.
35:47They have always been in Pakistan.
35:49But that does not mean
35:51that the sector has
35:53stopped.
35:55Women's safety is compromised
35:57if there is no internet
35:59connectivity.
36:01That is what I am trying to
36:03tell you.
36:05I cannot be in touch with
36:07my family.
36:09I want to ask you another
36:11question.
36:13Elon Musk tweeted that if
36:15the government wants approval,
36:17Starlink Pakistan will come.
36:19What is the status of this?
36:21Do you want approval or
36:23negotiation?
36:25This is a mutual issue.
36:27I raised this issue
36:29three years ago.
36:31It was the PTI's government.
36:33We were very agitated about
36:35Starlink coming to Pakistan.
36:37There are many
36:39rural mountainous areas
36:41where internet
36:43is very expensive.
36:45But it is very cheap for you.
36:47If you have a satellite panel,
36:49you can connect.
36:51If you are talking about
36:53negotiations,
36:55the government will be
36:57concerned because
36:59the usual internet traffic
37:01comes through the gateway.
37:03But if it connects directly
37:05with the satellite,
37:07you cannot monitor it.
37:09If we can channel it from
37:11one place, it will be easy.
37:13Where are you standing?
37:15Do you want approval?
37:17PTI will give approval.
37:19Then FBR will allow it.
37:21If they cannot import it,
37:23you cannot use it.
37:25What is the probability that
37:27it will happen?
37:29Elon Musk's statement
37:31does not come.
37:33They are willing to bring it
37:35to Pakistan.
37:37They have sent thousands of
37:39satellites.
37:41Pakistan is a huge economy.
37:43They are interested.
37:45It depends on the
37:47negotiations.
37:49Samila has explained
37:51how it affects.
37:53She is right.
37:55But we should not say
37:57that the government is not
37:59accepting it.
38:01You are accepting it.
38:03People in the committees are
38:05not accepting it.
38:07I was in the same committee.
38:09PTA chairman did not accept
38:11that the Ministry of Interior
38:13has written a letter.
38:15He accepted it after six months.
38:17I have followed his case.
38:19You are right.
38:21We have convinced him
38:23that the Ministry of Interior
38:25through PICA law
38:27has written a letter to PTA.
38:29There is a debate about
38:31whether it is the mandate of
38:33the Ministry of Interior or not.
38:35You can close a certain
38:37content in the law.
38:39You cannot close a technology
38:41or an app.
38:43What law is it?
38:45Whose authority is it?
38:47How will you slow down the internet?
38:49It is not like that.
38:51If you are doing
38:53surveillance,
38:55there is a bottleneck.
38:57That is why the internet is slow.
38:59I do not know what is happening.
39:01Will there be any improvement?
39:03Or will we use the internet
39:05because it is costing us dollars?
39:07You are right.
39:09I will give you an example of
39:11dollars.
39:13Pasha said it in a meeting.
39:15One of the biggest ISPs in Pakistan
39:17said that
39:1930-40% decline in internet speed
39:21and true social media.
39:23There is no
39:25issue in this.
39:27We are trying to
39:29resolve this.
39:31Is there a timeline?
39:33You said
39:35that we were trying
39:37the technology.
39:39The firewall.
39:41There are filters.
39:43Is there a timeline?
39:45Twitter has been around for a year.
39:47What are the
39:49high-level threats?
39:51My government
39:53is afraid of
39:55political statements.
39:57There are
39:59different opinions.
40:01I do not see any
40:03difference between
40:052024 and
40:072013-14.
40:09Social media
40:11spreads fake news and
40:13disinformation.
40:15You are using it to
40:17debug it.
40:19Because of this,
40:21people in Pakistan
40:23make fake news.
40:25People in Pakistan
40:27do not know about it.
40:29It is dangerous.
40:31Do you want to
40:33use this technology
40:35or shut it down?
40:37We have deployed
40:39firewalls to
40:41manage it.
40:43Sharmila,
40:45you said that
40:47the government
40:49has improved.
40:51We are fighting for it.
40:53We will improve it.
40:55Dr.
40:57is a little
40:59complacent.
41:01He is more vocal.
41:03He cannot say
41:05much.
41:07I can understand his
41:09predicament.
41:11He wants to say something
41:13but he cannot.
41:15The issue is
41:17in its place.
41:19As members of
41:21the IT committee,
41:23we are very
41:25vocal.
41:27We will get
41:29the issue
41:31out of the
41:33government.
41:35We will try to
41:37resolve it.
41:39Thank you,
41:41Sharmila.
41:43We tried to
41:45get the issue
41:47out of the
41:49government.
41:51We tried
41:53to
41:55get this
41:57issue
41:59out of the
42:01government.
42:03We were
42:05a part of
42:07our
42:09government.
42:11We were
42:13According to the Build Act, these political parties were formed as a result of the pre-election and subsequent interference, which was already in power.
42:21The policy appointed by Muktada will continue to be credible.
42:25The report said that just as the democracy faced various difficulties all over the world during 2024, similarly, the democracy of Pakistan was also under severe pressure.
42:34Under Article 26 of the Pakistan Constitution, the implementation of the decision-making process in the Supreme Court was changed to be facilitated and the court was divided into two branches to deal with the legal and other matters.
42:44Political parties, whether in the dream of the government or outside the government, continued their non-democratic attitude against political opponents for their temporary political interests, so that they could gain political benefits for a short period of time.
42:58In order to suppress political disagreements, the current government has also tried to limit the use of the Internet and social media platforms.
43:07The report came to the public after 11 months after the elections on February 8, 2024.
43:14According to the findings of this report, the democracy of Pakistan has become weaker than before as a result of these elections.
43:24The 2024 elections in Pakistan may be the most controversial elections in the history of this country.
43:32We are still observing the repercussions of the system and the government as a result of this.
43:38Whether it is the negotiations between the Justice Movement and the government at this time, or the legislation that has been implemented during this time,
43:46they had a direct implication in the upcoming elections on February 8.
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