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- Hina Rabbani Khar (Former Foreign Minister)
- Fayyaz ul Hassan Chohan IPP
Why is Fayyaz-ul-Hassan Chohan not contest election? - Fayyaz ul Hassan's Reaction
Fayyaz ul Hassan Breaks Big News Regarding PTI Candidates
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- Hamid Khan (Lawyer)
- Hina Rabbani Khar (Former Foreign Minister)
- Fayyaz ul Hassan Chohan IPP
Why is Fayyaz-ul-Hassan Chohan not contest election? - Fayyaz ul Hassan's Reaction
Fayyaz ul Hassan Breaks Big News Regarding PTI Candidates
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00:00 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:04 Peace be upon you.
00:06 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:18 Peace be upon you.
00:19 Last night, a strange situation arose when the news came that missiles were fired from Iran,
00:28 and targets were fired at the border villages of Balochistan.
00:33 It was found that this incident took place about 90 km away from Panjgore, Pakistan,
00:37 near the Pakistan-Iran border.
00:41 When the Pakistan government was officially rejected,
00:43 Pakistan confirmed that two children were killed and three girls were injured.
00:50 Iran said that this incident was reported by the Iranian Foreign Minister,
00:55 who was in the Davos World Economic Forum a few hours ago.
01:01 He said that Pakistan is his friend, country, brother, and neighbor.
01:05 He did not target any Pakistani, but a terrorist organization called Jaish-ul-Adl,
01:10 which is an Iranian terrorist organization.
01:13 He said that he thought that this organization was responsible for the recent bombings in Iran.
01:19 A few days ago, a bomb was dropped in the Barsi region of Qasim Soleimani,
01:27 and about 100 people were killed.
01:30 But Iran's attack on the third country in the last three days,
01:35 first in Iraq, where it said that it had targeted Israeli targets,
01:41 the Israeli agency's targets,
01:45 then in Syria, where it said that it had targeted Islamic money,
01:51 and then in Pakistan, where it said that it had targeted Jaish-ul-Adl.
01:58 Pakistan was severely criticized and strongly rejected.
02:02 Pakistan has even called back its ambassador from Iran,
02:05 who will leave a while before.
02:08 Pakistan will come from Iran, Pakistan has called back its ambassador.
02:13 And the Iranian ambassador in Pakistan, who is in Tehran at the moment,
02:17 Pakistan has also told him not to come back.
02:20 That is, Pakistan has told the Iranian ambassador to leave.
02:26 A while ago, both of them spoke on the phone of Khadija,
02:29 in which Pakistan said that Pakistan considers this attack as an attack on its own,
02:34 and that there is anger and sadness in Pakistan, and the consequences of this can be,
02:37 and whatever the consequences will be, Pakistan will not be responsible for it.
02:40 China has asked both countries to show patience on this.
02:45 And a while ago, according to a report, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards,
02:51 an officer of theirs was also targeted by an unknown person near the Pak-Afghan border.
02:57 And he has been arrested, according to some reports.
03:00 So this is a very important, very big news, of course.
03:05 And we will talk about this.
03:06 And hopefully, after a while, the former foreign minister of Pakistan,
03:10 who is currently giving an interview to the International Law Institute,
03:13 will be with us.
03:14 Hinara Banikhar will talk to me.
03:16 In the meantime, let's talk about politics.
03:19 And then we will come back to this topic.
03:22 There was another important development in politics today,
03:26 that today, some other decisions have been made regarding the nomination papers.
03:30 It has been decided that Pakistan will not be able to take part in the elections
03:34 in the coming days.
03:36 Hamad Azhar, Fawad Chaudhry, who was not a part of PTI,
03:41 Hiba Fawad Sahiba and Sanam Javed Sahiba will not be able to take part in the elections.
03:48 The Pakistani Republican Party will have to go to the elections without a ballot.
03:52 The Pakistani Republican Party will have to go to the elections without its head.
03:55 And the differences in the current election campaign of the Pakistani Republican Party
03:58 are also being seen by the party leaders.
04:01 We will talk to the senior leader of the PTI, Mr. Hamid Khan.
04:04 Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:06 Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:08 Sir, thank you very much for your time, Mr. Hamid Khan.
04:12 Sir, as a lawyer, please give your advice on this.
04:15 The people I have mentioned today and others,
04:19 will not be able to take part in the elections.
04:21 This is a final decision.
04:23 But this is not a sign of change.
04:25 There is a legal point on this.
04:28 Please give your legal advice on this.
04:31 The people who win morally,
04:33 they should be bound by the discipline of the PTI.
04:36 But it will be easier for them to manage legally.
04:40 Because they will not be bound by the party discipline legally.
04:43 Is this right?
04:45 Look, the point is that
04:48 it is their goal to weaken the laws of the Pakistani Republic.
04:53 And to remove the candidates in the leadership of the PTI from the elections.
05:00 There are those who want the PTI to be completely removed from the elections.
05:08 The former MPs are also being removed from the elections.
05:14 So I think that the decisions that have been taken today,
05:19 are the only ones that have been prepared to remove the PTI from the elections.
05:29 This is a result of a court decision.
05:32 So you think there is a nexus between those people,
05:35 who you are saying do not want the PTI to be in the field,
05:37 and a court decision?
05:39 Yes, exactly the same people who are trying to
05:43 somehow take the PTI's leadership in the elections.
06:01 Even though they cannot fight on the party's side,
06:06 they are trying to remove the candidates from the elections.
06:13 And all this is a result of the same efforts.
06:16 This is a consistent situation that is coming before you.
06:19 So Mr. Hamid, in a way, you are giving your opinion about the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
06:25 that he has become a part of this thought.
06:28 Look, I am not talking about any individual.
06:32 I am talking about the institutions that are present today,
06:37 which are also against the justice of the PTI.
06:40 Like the Election Commission of Pakistan.
06:43 I think that the decisions that have been taken after that,
06:47 I am not attacking anyone's intentions.
06:50 I am just saying that the decisions that have been taken,
06:55 are not correct and historically wrong.
06:59 Like in the past, there have been many decisions of the judiciary,
07:03 on which people have been protected,
07:06 and it has been understood that there was no justice.
07:09 It is possible that in the future,
07:11 these decisions will also be taken.
07:15 What do you think,
07:16 should the request of the Qazi Faiz-e-Ishaq to the people,
07:19 who want justice and equality, be made in the court?
07:22 Or do you think that we have lost trust in them,
07:24 and the PTI should not be presented in front of them?
07:27 Look, it is true to a great extent,
07:30 that so many things have happened,
07:33 which has caused the trust to be lost.
07:40 Okay, so it is possible that you are not in a position,
07:43 to be presented in front of them in the case of any case?
07:47 No, look, we cannot leave the institutions.
07:52 We want to keep the institutions in place.
07:55 Therefore, we will show restraint to a great extent,
08:00 that we do not attack the institutions.
08:04 However, under the law,
08:07 it is allowed for every citizen,
08:10 every political person,
08:13 to criticize in their own words,
08:20 any decision of the Supreme Court.
08:32 And they should criticize in their own words,
08:36 and they have the right to criticize.
08:41 This matter is in the senior party leadership,
08:44 Shehrazad Al Marwat, the senior Naif Sadr,
08:46 and the party's representative, Rohit Basant,
08:49 who is not a party's representative,
08:51 he is not a party's senior Naif Sadr,
08:53 he meets Mr. Khan, and he gives statements.
08:56 You have also, in a way,
08:58 clarified his statements.
09:00 What is the reason for this?
09:02 Look, I do not know such a person,
09:05 nor do I want to talk about him.
09:08 But don't you think that,
09:10 when there are elections,
09:12 and there are still 20-25 days left,
09:14 there should not be any statements,
09:16 so that the party's attention is focused on the elections,
09:18 and not on these matters.
09:20 Look, these are the kind of people who are doing it,
09:23 whose duty is to create a division in the party,
09:29 and so that the establishment can say that,
09:34 the party has divided among itself.
09:37 So, the people whom we think,
09:41 who are not even a part of the PTI,
09:44 I don't know where they have come from,
09:46 when they try to divide among themselves,
09:50 there are other people behind this,
09:54 who are involved in creating various divisions in the party.
09:59 The person you are giving this opinion about,
10:01 is none other than Imran Khan,
10:02 who has voluntarily been named as the party's senior Naif Sadr.
10:04 There is a notification of this.
10:06 As far as he has told me,
10:10 he has said that he has removed him.
10:14 Because in the Mar-Mar party,
10:17 in the division party,
10:18 in the Jagra party,
10:20 they have been trying to create differences among themselves,
10:24 that is why Imran Khan has told me this.
10:27 You yourself have been told by Imran Khan that he has removed him.
10:29 Yes.
10:30 And sir, generally speaking,
10:32 we are talking about the role of Sadr-e-Pakistan,
10:35 so in your opinion,
10:37 has Sadr-e-Pakistan played its role in a way,
10:40 or has the PTI lost its confidence in the President of Pakistan?
10:44 Look, I don't think that their role is the one we expected,
10:51 because in many cases,
10:53 in very critical times,
10:55 they did not make the decisions that they should have done according to the constitution,
11:00 which has led to questions of Pakistan's policy on the implementation of the constitution in Pakistan.
11:09 And that is why I think that there will be a lot of criticism about them in history.
11:16 For example, when they gave the order to dissolve the assembly in August,
11:25 they should have given the date of the general election within 90 days.
11:30 They did not, and this has opened a new chapter.
11:34 And because of that, you see that the need for a constitution in 90 days,
11:41 the order for a constitution,
11:43 was not fully implemented.
11:46 So in this respect, I think that there are many such cases
11:51 in which they could not fully play their role.
11:55 And do you think that the reason for this is that you sympathize with them,
12:00 that there will be a lot of pressure,
12:01 so they did the best they could,
12:03 or do you think that their heart has changed?
12:08 Look, I have never met them,
12:13 so I can't say what pressure they were under,
12:16 but one thing is certain, that whatever decisions have been made,
12:22 for example, about 2-3 bills,
12:25 they said later that I said that they should be returned,
12:29 I am not at all ready to give any assent to them.
12:33 They should have said in writing at that time,
12:37 that taking the wrong advantage,
12:40 they have made two such laws,
12:43 which have been considered to be law,
12:46 although I don't think that their laws are made by the Act of the Parliament,
12:50 the amendments in the Official Secrets Act,
12:54 and the amendments in the Army Act,
12:56 both of them without the assent of the President,
12:59 they can never be made into law.
13:02 And in my opinion, those laws have not been made yet.
13:05 But there was some weakness in that too,
13:08 that they showed a story,
13:10 and at that time, they should have sent it in writing,
13:13 but they told their subordinate to return them,
13:16 and said it in their own language,
13:19 and that person was displeased with what they said,
13:22 and said that they had not said it.
13:24 What was the result?
13:26 The result was that two wrong kinds of laws,
13:29 which were not really made into law,
13:32 were considered to be law,
13:34 and they were made a part of the Statute Book,
13:37 and they are being used in cases,
13:39 and they are being used to give support to people,
13:42 and they will be used in military courts too.
13:46 This is a huge loss.
13:49 If they had rejected them in writing,
13:54 and sent them back to be brought in joint session,
13:58 then this matter would have been over.
14:01 Still, I think that those laws were not made,
14:04 and the Act of Parliament was not made.
14:07 Thank you very much,
14:09 we were talking about this.
14:11 Now, let's come back to our initial story,
14:14 which is not only about Pakistan,
14:16 but is a big news around the world,
14:18 about which we have told you,
14:20 what happened, when, and what happened,
14:22 we have with us, the former Masjid-e-Kharja of Pakistan,
14:25 Respected Hina Rabbani Khar Sahiba.
14:27 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
14:28 Yes, Walikum-Salaam.
14:30 First of all, tell us, what is your comment on this?
14:33 You have been on the helm of affairs,
14:35 and have dealt directly with the countries.
14:37 Why did Iran choose,
14:39 obviously, there is no communication,
14:41 there is no India,
14:42 with which the inter-relationship is good,
14:44 or not good,
14:45 or the channels of communication are open,
14:47 or not open,
14:48 instead of talking,
14:49 this type of attack,
14:50 even though their Foreign Minister says,
14:52 we had talked to Pakistan,
14:53 they said in a very vague manner,
14:55 that we had talked to the Foreign Minister.
14:57 But how did you interpret this action,
14:59 what is the thought behind this,
15:01 behind this Iran?
15:03 Okay, first of all, Mr. Rasim,
15:04 let me say that you have said,
15:06 that what is our reaction to this,
15:09 because this is a largely stable relationship.
15:13 Right.
15:14 The relationship between Iran and Pakistan,
15:16 is not like India and Pakistan.
15:18 And with Afghanistan,
15:19 you have seen,
15:20 there are many issues,
15:21 large movement of people,
15:22 and goods,
15:23 often, issues keep on going.
15:25 With Iran,
15:26 there is a generally stable relationship,
15:28 which is moving towards the best of the best,
15:30 generally, Pakistan has tried,
15:32 border markets are also opening,
15:34 meaning, if you look at the last 5 years,
15:36 10 years,
15:37 even 15 years,
15:38 it is moving towards the best.
15:40 Now, to understand the context of this,
15:43 you have to understand from here,
15:45 the extra-military stance,
15:47 which you said,
15:48 that their Foreign Minister said,
15:50 that they have talked to Pakistan's Foreign Minister,
15:52 KJ's Foreign Minister,
15:54 that after the strike,
15:56 we should talk about Davos,
15:58 which he called,
16:00 about which the Foreign Office has already told.
16:02 But the day this strike happens,
16:04 in the morning,
16:05 in Davos,
16:06 KJ's Prime Minister is called,
16:08 Iran's Foreign Minister,
16:10 and he,
16:11 his own concern,
16:13 about what is happening from your place,
16:15 there are our forces there,
16:17 we should act together,
16:18 he shows no concern of this kind.
16:20 At the same time,
16:21 your CT dialogue is also going on,
16:23 your dialogue of counter-terrorism is going on,
16:25 and your dialogue with Iran,
16:27 is also going on.
16:29 Inter-state, military,
16:31 side,
16:32 but,
16:33 for the management of the country.
16:36 If we could reconnect you quickly,
16:38 Mr. Anar,
16:39 because your voice is coming and going,
16:41 if we could reconnect you quickly,
16:43 and meanwhile,
16:44 we show,
16:45 what the translation of KJ's Foreign Office,
16:48 that is,
16:49 what is the official response of Pakistan on this,
16:51 and it has been said,
16:52 that now our ambassador is back,
16:53 and their ambassador should also leave our country,
16:55 and what has been said,
16:56 we show.
16:57 Illegal act,
16:58 is completely unacceptable,
17:00 and has no justification,
17:02 whatsoever.
17:03 Pakistan reserves the right,
17:05 to respond,
17:06 to this illegal act,
17:08 and the responsibility for the consequences,
17:10 will lie squarely,
17:12 with Iran.
17:13 We have conveyed this message,
17:15 to the government of Iran.
17:16 We have also informed them,
17:18 that Pakistan has decided to recall its ambassador from Iran,
17:22 and that the Iranian ambassador to Pakistan,
17:25 who is currently visiting Iran,
17:27 may not return for the time being.
17:29 We have also decided to suspend,
17:31 all high-level visits,
17:33 which were ongoing,
17:34 or were planned between Pakistan and Iran,
17:37 in the coming days.
17:39 Hina Sahiba,
17:40 please,
17:41 you were saying,
17:42 that this is a largely stable relationship,
17:43 and we have to look at the last two decades,
17:45 and in that context,
17:46 there can be no comparison,
17:47 between the Pakistan-Iran relationship,
17:48 Pakistan-India,
17:49 or even the Pakistan-Afghan relationship,
17:50 but you were explaining the context,
17:51 that what do you understand,
17:52 why this act was done,
17:53 despite having a largely stable relationship.
17:55 Yes, please.
17:56 One thing is,
17:57 that it is a largely stable relationship,
17:59 long term,
18:00 short term.
18:01 One thing I was explaining to you,
18:02 that in today's time,
18:03 in the last two or three days,
18:05 and in the next two or three days,
18:06 two naval ships from Pakistan,
18:08 called them to the port,
18:11 for joint training,
18:13 you know,
18:14 their special envoy to Afghanistan,
18:17 came to Pakistan,
18:18 and on the same day,
18:19 he called the foreign minister,
18:20 the Prime Minister of Pakistan,
18:21 on the same day,
18:22 he called on them,
18:23 he came to meet them,
18:24 and there was no doubt,
18:26 or suspicion,
18:27 that you are doing this,
18:28 or that you are doing that,
18:29 no such issue was raised.
18:31 The dialogue on counter-terrorism,
18:33 started two or three days ago,
18:35 and today,
18:36 apparently,
18:37 the Joint Border Trade Commission,
18:38 had a meeting with them,
18:40 which Pakistan has called off.
18:41 So, in this completely stable,
18:43 normal environment,
18:44 which this country...
18:46 (inaudible)
18:56 Unfortunately,
18:58 we are getting a lot of noise.
19:00 Let's see if we can reconnect,
19:02 to Hina Ravanikar Sahiba,
19:04 we are not able to hear her voice,
19:07 and meanwhile,
19:08 show us that...
19:09 Yes, Hina Sahiba,
19:11 Yes, can you hear me?
19:12 Yes, I can.
19:13 I hope that we can hear you too.
19:15 Hello, I can hear you.
19:17 Yes, yes.
19:18 So, basically,
19:19 I am basically...
19:20 So, we have heard you,
19:22 you are saying that,
19:23 in recent days,
19:24 there was a proper dialogue,
19:26 and then you will continue,
19:28 Ms. Ghamidi.
19:29 Yes, this intensive engagement,
19:31 which is called,
19:32 at every level,
19:33 military to military,
19:34 intel to intel,
19:35 diplomatic,
19:36 special envoy has come here,
19:38 our naval ships have gone,
19:39 CT dialogue,
19:40 I am talking about these 4-5 days.
19:42 Right.
19:43 In between,
19:44 when a strike comes,
19:45 which is completely illegal,
19:47 unprovoked,
19:49 I would believe,
19:50 completely irrational thought,
19:52 escalatory,
19:53 irresponsible,
19:54 and,
19:55 see, on sovereignty,
19:57 this Westpalian model,
19:58 or the UN charter,
20:00 every country's sovereignty,
20:02 within the geographical borders,
20:04 has a right,
20:05 if someone,
20:06 even if something happens against anyone,
20:07 it is not an issue,
20:08 hopefully.
20:09 So,
20:10 that too,
20:11 at that level,
20:12 you are doing an illegal,
20:14 completely illegal,
20:15 irrational work.
20:16 And which country does this,
20:18 which is isolated in the whole world,
20:20 which is supported by countries like Pakistan,
20:22 frankly speaking,
20:23 in the diplomatic world,
20:24 on the international stage.
20:26 So, these people,
20:27 who are repeatedly saying,
20:28 that militarily retaliate,
20:30 we have the capacity,
20:31 we can do it.
20:32 But on that,
20:33 you will get conflict escalation,
20:35 and you will not have a complete,
20:38 you know,
20:39 you cannot walk back.
20:41 Then it will continue to go on.
20:43 In this,
20:44 the reaction we gave in Pakistan,
20:47 that diplomatic channels,
20:48 sent their ambassadors back,
20:50 who were there,
20:51 they were not able to stay there.
20:52 They called their ambassadors back.
20:54 All kinds of relations,
20:55 they have kept them on hold,
20:57 or have finished them.
20:59 And,
21:00 apart from this,
21:01 there are many such channels,
21:03 in which an isolated country,
21:05 which is our neighbor,
21:06 Iran,
21:07 on which you know,
21:08 there is a lot of western escalation,
21:10 which is there,
21:11 repeatedly for support,
21:13 how is it?
21:14 There are many such groups,
21:16 which I do not want to tell you clearly,
21:18 where Pakistan helps them a lot.
21:22 So, Pakistan has many things,
21:24 that Pakistan can do,
21:26 militarily,
21:28 militarily,
21:29 striking,
21:30 or,
21:31 they say,
21:32 of ignorance,
21:33 or of ignorance,
21:34 giving answer to ignorance,
21:36 perhaps,
21:37 maybe people's anger will reduce,
21:39 people will be happy.
21:41 But,
21:42 in my opinion,
21:43 Iran has compromised its national interest,
21:46 for the interest of its regime.
21:48 And they,
21:49 by giving their domestic compulsions,
21:51 because they had to react,
21:52 which were pointing towards them,
21:54 that their military,
21:56 and other institutions,
21:58 were attacked,
22:00 they had to show some kind of reaction,
22:04 post 9/11 type of scenario, right?
22:06 And they did it in Syria,
22:08 in Iraq,
22:09 Iraq is taking it to the National Security Council,
22:12 and then,
22:13 look,
22:14 there is a little bit of that,
22:16 there is the presence of international forces,
22:18 and they can find many reasons to justify it.
22:20 I mean,
22:21 it can still not be justified,
22:22 but still,
22:23 but like Pakistan,
22:24 this unprecedented escalatory,
22:27 and if we take it to this extent,
22:30 then there will be a huge conflagration here,
22:33 right?
22:34 Which is something that,
22:35 they certainly can't afford,
22:36 with as many fronts as they have already opened,
22:39 all over the world.
22:40 And Pakistan obviously,
22:42 has a lot of problems of its own,
22:44 we have to make a stable country,
22:46 we don't want to give way to conflict,
22:48 conflict has to come back.
22:50 So I think,
22:51 till now,
22:52 there has been a very measured,
22:53 restrained response,
22:54 but I am telling you,
22:55 the cost of this,
22:56 I think people don't fully realize,
22:58 that the diplomatic support,
23:00 we have just ended diplomacy,
23:02 I mean,
23:03 we have called our ambassadors,
23:04 but the kind of diplomatic support,
23:06 they get from us,
23:07 in different institutions of the world,
23:09 where each vote counts,
23:11 and a lot of strong support,
23:13 if I can say,
23:14 Pakistan has given to their people,
23:16 because of whom,
23:17 their work continues.
23:19 So all my things,
23:20 are all on the table.
23:21 Right?
23:22 And I think,
23:23 my assessment is,
23:24 that they did not think about the day after.
23:27 They did not assess it fully,
23:29 they took a huge step for their diplomatic appeasement,
23:33 which they did not fully see,
23:35 what kind of repercussions it would have.
23:38 That surprises you,
23:39 that such a big decision at a national level,
23:42 can be made without any calculation?
23:44 Look,
23:45 when a country feels very lonely,
23:48 and a country gets used to it,
23:50 that it can get away with it,
23:52 then it sometimes missteps right, left and center.
23:56 I think the difference is,
23:58 that they do not realize,
24:00 and I hope that Pakistan holds firm,
24:02 I am talking restraints,
24:03 I am not talking about any kind of military strike.
24:06 Because in my opinion,
24:07 if a country is doing something illegal,
24:10 then you have to do something legally,
24:13 and you yourself become an irresponsible nation,
24:16 and you become a sick nation.
24:18 Any country that does this,
24:20 becomes a sick nation,
24:22 because it does not have any kind of international support.
24:26 So,
24:27 So you understand,
24:28 the reactions so far are completely measured,
24:31 and answering this with a military strike is very easy,
24:35 but it may not solve the problem,
24:37 it will take the matter further.
24:39 Now the matter has come to this stage,
24:41 how to go back to normal from here?
24:44 You said there are some other channels,
24:46 whose sensitivities are also yours,
24:47 that maybe they cannot be discussed,
24:49 but you think that China's statement has been made public,
24:51 maybe that also had a role in it,
24:53 to take it back to normal?
24:55 Look,
24:56 you asked me,
24:58 what should I do if I am there?
25:00 To preserve my national interest and sovereignty,
25:04 the role that I have to play,
25:06 this is not a normal thing,
25:07 I don't think we should consider it as normal.
25:09 Even though I say that there should not be any military,
25:11 but if we let this go on someone's words,
25:16 I don't think that would be correct also.
25:19 Your question was that,
25:22 they have done this thinking,
25:24 when domestic compulsions are very high,
25:26 you have seen it in the world,
25:27 there is a trend,
25:28 to satisfy their domestic interest,
25:30 to satisfy their domestic population,
25:32 or to show them how strong we are,
25:35 sometimes you do a lot of things,
25:37 but the domestic population is at a loss,
25:41 so this is a general trend in the world.
25:45 So I think diplomatically,
25:47 I would look for diplomatic escalation of this,
25:54 as a completely normal thing for Pakistan to do,
25:57 in fact a necessary thing for Pakistan.
25:59 And how do you think America is looking at this?
26:02 Obviously they have given an official response,
26:04 like Mr. Mushaid Sahib was saying,
26:06 that the weddings that are being held there,
26:08 that there is a problem between them,
26:09 how do you think America is looking at this development?
26:12 Look, obviously,
26:14 I won't say this,
26:16 but surely if there is a country,
26:19 with which there is a lot of tension,
26:21 a lot of tensions in the relationship,
26:24 then their interest would be completely different.
26:26 I will say this again,
26:28 look if I say that in Pakistan,
26:30 in the last 15 years,
26:31 there was a government, People's Party,
26:33 in which we started engaging a lot with them,
26:35 because until we bring about re-establishment,
26:38 prosperity, trade, normalization, etc,
26:41 everything has to happen in the interest of our people.
26:43 So this is really important,
26:45 that we preserve that.
26:47 But despite that,
26:48 if someone starts taking your sovereignty casually,
26:52 because of their domestic compulsions,
26:55 so I don't think it can go without a reaction.
27:00 Not a military reaction,
27:02 but a reaction which is slightly more short term,
27:05 medium term,
27:07 and where they have to de-escalate,
27:09 now they have to show resolve,
27:12 and commitment to de-escalate.
27:17 And how exactly? By a few statements maybe?
27:19 Look, there can be many ways to do it.
27:23 I mean, more than just statements,
27:27 I think commitment,
27:28 and obviously, you know,
27:31 with evidence-based commitment,
27:33 and obviously they will have to do a lot of things,
27:36 and it will take some time.
27:41 But in my opinion,
27:42 the problem is that they are only in one place,
27:45 I am shocked that they have turned towards Pakistan,
27:49 because they are going everywhere.
27:51 They are pretty much isolated on the world stage.
27:54 Very isolated on the world stage, right?
27:56 So when such a country starts doing this,
27:59 it also shows that there is no normality prevailing.
28:05 This is not normal, responsible behavior at all.
28:09 It is not rational either.
28:11 Thank you very much.
28:12 Thank you very much.
28:13 Hina Khan Sahiba,
28:14 the former Foreign Minister of Pakistan,
28:16 was talking to us.
28:17 We will be back after a break.
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