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- Musadik Malik PMLN
- Nadeem Afzal Chan PPP
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00:00 the government.
00:03 Assalamu alaikum. the program.
00:23 The Muslim League People's Party.
00:34 and Mr. Blawal announced that President will be Zardari and Prime Minister will be Shahbaz Sharif.
00:42 Although when he was making this announcement,
00:44 I remembered that he said that the father should stay away from politics but
00:48 this announcement came in his favour that he should announce that
00:52 Prime Minister is Mr. Shabaz and Mr. Zardari is the President.
00:57 The first stage is done and the second stage is of course the meeting of the National Assembly.
01:02 But the crises are very big and we should keep a close eye on them.
01:06 There are two types of crises at the moment.
01:08 One is political crisis after these elections.
01:13 Solving that will be the most important stage of the Assembly
01:20 because a very strong opposition will come in the form of Tariq-e-Ansar or Sunni Tahaat
01:26 who think that they have been wronged and many other political parties.
01:30 So, this political crisis has to be solved.
01:33 On the other hand, there is a financial crisis which is a very big crisis.
01:37 Pakistan has to return 24 billion dollars in June.
01:39 There is an IMF program and this is another big crisis.
01:42 So, how will all this happen? We will talk about this too.
01:45 Many legal and legal matters have to be decided about reserve seats.
01:50 How many reserve seats will be given and to whom?
01:53 Because it is very clear that you get reserve seats according to your share.
01:59 Now, if there is no list, is it possible to solve this issue happily without a list?
02:10 Today, Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba gave a speech in Punjab
02:14 and also showed the strength of her parliamentary party.
02:17 It seems that there should be no problem in the appointment of Maryam Nawaz Sahiba as the Prime Minister.
02:23 She also gave a speech and I listened to it.
02:27 She talked about IT cities which is a good thing.
02:30 But when she talks about schools, I feel that she wants the quality of education to be the same as it is in Pakistan.
02:37 There should be bathrooms in schools and this should be there in schools.
02:41 You should make schools and hospitals in such a way that your treatment,
02:45 the treatment of the elderly and the children of the elderly can study in the school.
02:49 Until the government makes such schools and hospitals,
02:53 you are not giving the solutions that this country needs.
02:59 Let's talk about all these things.
03:01 We have with us Mr. Nadeem Zardar Chandra, whose name is being used for the Governor.
03:06 Sir, if he is there, he will tell you now.
03:09 Look, Mr. Chandra, we should do this.
03:13 But you pray, there is no such thing right now.
03:16 Our prayers are with Mr. Chandra. His name is being used for all these things.
03:21 I have only seen you on TV and not anywhere else.
03:25 You have seen me on TV?
03:26 Yes, I have seen you on TV.
03:27 Sir, look, we are with you.
03:29 We want a worker to go to a big office.
03:33 Your name is there, Mr. Kaira's name is there.
03:35 Mr. Mehmoot is sitting there, you tell him to leave it.
03:38 Call some workers from Punjab.
03:40 Would it not be better?
03:42 Okay, let me introduce the guests.
03:44 Salman Akhmar Raja is with us.
03:46 Salman, thank you very much.
03:47 He fought the election and I think he is in the legal process.
03:52 He is also saying that his seat or his votes from form 45 to 47 have changed.
04:00 And with me is Mr. Malik, who has joined us from Muslim League Moon.
04:03 Mr. Malik, thank you very much.
04:05 A worker should be a Governor, right?
04:07 Look, this is the decision of the party, which party decides.
04:11 Earlier, workers were formed.
04:13 Mr. Lateef Khosla was also a party worker.
04:15 Mr. Ahmed Mahmood is also a party leader.
04:17 He is not a worker.
04:19 People of all classes are in the parties.
04:22 All classes have to be taken along.
04:24 Big classes have to be taken along.
04:27 No comments.
04:28 You know this is my favorite topic, but for now, no comments.
04:32 Sir, will you join the cabinet or the cabinet has decided?
04:36 No, no, our decision is the decision of the CEC.
04:39 I can't say when or how, but the decision of the CEC was under a lot of pressure.
04:49 The government should be included.
04:51 But Mr. Blahul said that the decision of the CEC has included Mr. Zardari and all the people.
04:57 And you didn't want to form a government with him.
04:59 What was the need to make such speeches that we will not form a government with him?
05:02 We did not form a government.
05:04 We are doing sports.
05:06 Look, Mr. Kashyap, you have used two words.
05:10 One is of the mandir.
05:12 You have taken the mandir.
05:14 And the other one you said is of the Babas.
05:16 I want to answer both these topics.
05:18 Look, the vote that the public has taken has been given to the Babas.
05:22 Imran Khan is also a Baba in terms of age.
05:26 And Mian Sahiban is also a Baba in terms of age.
05:29 So now they have made Maryam the Chief Minister.
05:32 Or Mr. Blahul has emerged as the new leader.
05:35 So now I think the youth leadership is coming up.
05:38 And ultimately the Babas are a natural phenomenon.
05:42 Yes, but you don't want to form a government with them.
05:44 You say that you want to address this too.
05:46 Because in politics...
05:48 What option do we have? You tell me the option.
05:50 People should have faith in you on many things.
05:53 Our trust in politics is not ending.
05:55 You do something else in elections.
05:57 You do something else in the elections.
05:59 I would like to explain this point of yours a little.
06:02 Look, what option do we have?
06:04 No one has a majority.
06:06 Someone has to be united.
06:08 Someone has to be united.
06:09 And if the way of justice has been denied...
06:11 If the door of the PTI people is closed to political dialogue,
06:14 then the door of political dialogue is only open to the Noon League or the PO party.
06:19 Then we will have to talk to these parties.
06:22 The things that people want to do in political dialogue.
06:25 Those who do not believe in political dialogue or do not want to do it,
06:29 then what can we say about them?
06:31 So tell me the option. What was the other option?
06:34 We were the critics ourselves.
06:36 But we are telling the truth. We did not see any option.
06:39 So you are saying that there is no way.
06:41 Look, the people have not only played election action.
06:44 The people also want delivery. The government wants good.
06:46 The people want our problems to come.
06:48 I come to the challenges of this.
06:50 I understand your point that someone has to make it.
06:53 If he is not making one, but...
06:56 Salman sir said political dialogue.
06:59 Is there any thought of political dialogue in the PTI that...
07:03 Now we will have to have a dialogue.
07:05 Politicians will have to make their allies.
07:08 Somewhere you are not sitting with them in the government.
07:10 You must not disagree with the policies.
07:12 But engagement cannot be left.
07:14 Has this thought changed or has this thought not changed yet?
07:17 No, absolutely engagement is happening.
07:22 It is not that there is no engagement.
07:25 But we have a fundamental position that a very big revolution has taken place.
07:28 Our vote has been stolen.
07:30 Our seats have been stolen.
07:32 And these two parties have been stolen.
07:34 Or some MPMs have been given in Karachi.
07:36 So we want that this matter should be covered with transparency.
07:39 That a commission should be formed.
07:41 That there should be an inquiry.
07:43 What has happened so far in the last 14 days is very disappointing.
07:46 We have gone to the election commission.
07:48 We have got up. We are sitting.
07:50 The session is being held.
07:52 No big decision has come from the election commission yet.
07:55 But it should be clear that an investigation should be carried out at any level.
07:59 So until this thing does not happen,
08:01 this conversation becomes meaningless.
08:05 We will have to return our position.
08:08 But we are talking.
08:10 We have talked with the Jamaat-e-Ulma-e-Islam.
08:12 We have talked with the Sunni-Itihad.
08:15 I will tell you one thing.
08:17 I have my own analysis.
08:19 I thought maybe it will be done with Noon.
08:21 Maybe it will be done with PP.
08:23 Maybe you will never have a conversation with Maulana.
08:26 But you have talked with Maulana.
08:28 So you do not intend to talk with the other two Jamaats.
08:31 No, no. I intend to talk with everyone.
08:33 No, no. I do intend to talk with everyone.
08:35 But I will talk on some basis.
08:37 So it cannot be that we say,
08:39 leave this.
08:41 Leave the trust of the people on us, on your vote.
08:44 Bury it.
08:46 And start playing further.
08:48 This cannot happen.
08:50 This is such a situation that I think has happened in 2024.
08:52 If we do not do this,
08:54 then every election will be meaningless.
08:56 If you have to write the results of the election in a room and publish it,
09:00 and the votes of the people be anything,
09:02 then what will be the trust of anyone on the election?
09:05 This is a very basic issue.
09:07 In my opinion, this is a very big incident that has happened.
09:11 We cannot move forward by ignoring this.
09:14 Okay.
09:15 Mr. Musadeq,
09:17 this will be the biggest political crisis in front of you,
09:20 when your government is formed.
09:21 How do you intend to deal with this crisis?
09:23 How can you deal with this?
09:25 A new government.
09:26 How will you deal with this crisis?
09:28 I am sorry,
09:31 I could not hear you in the studio,
09:34 so I could not listen to your program.
09:36 I do not know what crisis you are talking about.
09:38 I will tell you briefly.
09:40 I have heard the last words of Mr. Raja.
09:42 Mr. Raja believes that
09:44 until the elections,
09:46 in which allegations of corruption are put,
09:48 it will not be right,
09:49 how will it move forward?
09:50 This is a big political crisis,
09:52 which many parties will pose in front of you.
09:54 How will you deal with this?
09:56 This is absolutely right.
09:59 We were talking about this in 2018.
10:01 The government continued for 4-4.5 years.
10:04 We kept saying that in the 2018 elections,
10:07 when there is no credibility in the elections,
10:09 when results were announced in the morning,
10:12 how will this government run?
10:14 So I guess,
10:15 just like it ran in 2018,
10:17 it will run in 2024.
10:19 There was a crisis in 2018,
10:21 and there is a crisis in 2024.
10:23 The only way to deal with this is
10:25 to correct the election process.
10:28 I think that our priority will be
10:31 to talk about electronic voting machines.
10:36 Today, electronic voting machines
10:38 are not Form 47, 42, 43, 49.
10:41 Whatever result comes out of the machine,
10:43 it is the same result.
10:45 This is what we were saying,
10:47 that there is a lot of confusion in the election process.
10:49 The whole history is full of results.
10:51 Every person is worried.
10:53 In this day and age,
10:55 the result of the election should not come
10:57 all night, whether it is 2018 or 2024.
10:59 There is no excuse for that.
11:01 So I think, to get out of this crisis,
11:03 first of all, we will join hands with the opposition.
11:06 We will sit with the opposition,
11:08 we will sit with the religious communities,
11:10 and we will straighten out this process.
11:12 Because if this process is not straightened out,
11:14 then, like Javed Lateef Sahib said in your program,
11:16 that this is injustice to me.
11:18 Or there are many friends of mine
11:20 who are on GT Road.
11:22 We never lost Gujranwala,
11:24 Gujranwala lost,
11:26 we never lost Faisalabad, Faisalabad lost.
11:28 The people who have lost,
11:30 their claim is that with them...
11:32 Yes, I am saying the same thing.
11:34 But on GT Road, I am saying that belt
11:36 in which we always win.
11:38 If we are losing there,
11:40 and Rana Sanaullah is also losing,
11:42 Khurram Dastgir Khan Sahib is also losing,
11:44 Khwaja Saad Rafiq Sahib is also losing,
11:46 Javed Lateef Sahib is also losing,
11:48 and there are many leaders,
11:50 Murtaza Javed Abbasi Sahib is also losing.
11:52 So this will continue like this.
11:54 We will say that look, this is very unjust.
11:56 Raja Sahib is saying that this is very unjust.
11:58 So all these things,
12:00 until we straighten them out,
12:02 until we don't decide
12:04 a credible election process,
12:06 a consensus,
12:08 then this will continue like this.
12:10 And then after any election,
12:12 there will be no peace.
12:14 Malik Sahib, you are saying that
12:16 whatever has happened, let it go.
12:18 Let's fix the next election.
12:20 Is that what you are saying?
12:22 No, I am not saying that.
12:24 Mian Shahbaz Sharif Sahib has said
12:26 that you should make a government.
12:28 If you are saying that we have a majority,
12:30 and my friend Nadeem Afzal Chansa
12:32 is sitting with you,
12:34 and Bilawal Sahib said that
12:36 we are ready to talk to PTI,
12:38 then you should talk to PTI and make a government.
12:40 If PTI and the government
12:42 say that they will not make a government,
12:44 PTI says that
12:46 they will not talk to Chansa or Bilawal,
12:48 and PTI says that
12:50 they will not make a government,
12:52 then what does PTI want?
12:54 We have not stopped them
12:56 from going to their appeals
12:58 in the legal way.
13:00 And I think that there should be justice.
13:02 Whoever has been unjust,
13:04 there should be justice.
13:06 So you go and the way of action,
13:08 whether it is the Tribunal,
13:10 Election Commission, High Court,
13:12 Supreme Court,
13:14 you should appeal in that.
13:16 And wherever it is proven,
13:18 whether it is our people,
13:20 Chansa's people, or Raja's people,
13:22 wherever it is proven,
13:24 you should correct it.
13:26 No one is stopping the process of correction.
13:28 I am saying that if you want to move forward,
13:30 yes sir.
13:32 I think I am finished.
13:34 I will come back.
13:36 I will come back.
13:38 Salman sir said that
13:40 the system has to be corrected.
13:42 And this is true.
13:44 We have been talking about
13:46 moving forward.
13:48 To correct the system,
13:50 what will we do?
13:52 Will it happen?
13:54 You think that it will be the same
13:56 as it was in the first session
13:58 in 2018.
14:00 And you know,
14:02 it happened last time.
14:04 If the system is bad in 2018,
14:06 and in 2024,
14:08 then we will see the same
14:10 in the Replace Assembly.
14:12 I don't know what will happen
14:14 in the Assembly.
14:16 But the system needs to be corrected.
14:18 This is a serious matter.
14:20 This is not a technical matter.
14:22 Why did the internet stop working
14:24 that day?
14:26 Why did the telephone data
14:28 package stop working that day?
14:30 If this had not happened,
14:32 if the results of
14:34 Form 45 had been sent
14:36 directly from the polling station,
14:38 then there would have been
14:40 a document which
14:42 would not have been possible to change.
14:44 There are many such things
14:46 that we will have to see.
14:48 Why does the system fail?
14:50 Who makes it fail?
14:52 Until we reach that point,
14:54 whatever system we make,
14:56 it will continue to fail.
14:58 So this is a very fundamental matter
15:00 of the system failing.
15:02 Along with this, we should
15:04 definitely look at the technical
15:06 issues, how the election
15:08 can be improved,
15:10 what methods can be used.
15:12 But a fundamental issue will
15:14 remain, that whether we will
15:16 be ready to take advantage of
15:18 the system's failure
15:20 every time, in every election,
15:22 or we will, as a political
15:24 group,
15:26 together,
15:28 we will protest and say
15:30 that we will not take advantage of it.
15:32 If this continues, it will
15:34 continue forever. It will be like
15:36 in 2029 and then like in 2034.
15:38 This is not stopping.
15:40 If you look at the last 20-30 years,
15:42 every election is more controversial than the last.
15:44 So we are moving towards
15:46 a very deep pit.
15:48 It is not enough to say
15:50 that PTI does not talk to us.
15:52 If you are creating a government,
15:54 if you have made a majority,
15:56 then it is your duty to
15:58 reach the bottom of this issue
16:00 and fix the system for the future.
16:02 And talk to those who are
16:04 ruining the system,
16:06 and stop this.
16:08 Mr. Chand, this challenge is for
16:10 both the big parties.
16:12 If it is the People's Party,
16:14 it has always been about improving the system.
16:16 If we say, in the past,
16:18 the system has also been in the firing range.
16:20 The main victim is the People's Party.
16:22 It is very difficult to give lives.
16:24 What is the big sacrifice
16:26 in giving lives?
16:28 They are crying over the seats.
16:30 We have let them go behind this system.
16:32 We have given them martyrs,
16:34 people have been beaten up,
16:36 people have ruined so many lives.
16:38 My second question to Mr. Suleman
16:40 is a very serious one.
16:42 Give me your list of seats
16:44 that have been snatched by the People's Party.
16:46 In KPK,
16:48 in Punjab,
16:50 in rural Sindh,
16:52 in Karachi,
16:54 or in Balochistan.
16:56 Give us a list of seats
16:58 that have been snatched by the People's Party.
17:00 There should be a little political difference.
17:02 The second thing is,
17:04 you have talked about the system.
17:06 Dr. Sadak is right.
17:08 I will say this.
17:10 Every election,
17:12 every party cries.
17:14 But this time,
17:16 they cry well.
17:18 There is political engineering.
17:20 Why should I lie?
17:22 I am a victim of this.
17:24 I have seen people being victims.
17:26 But what should we do?
17:28 Either you say
17:30 that the political class should fight among themselves,
17:32 go to the streets,
17:34 and not sit and talk to each other.
17:36 And then keep taunting others.
17:38 This is not how it works.
17:40 We talk to others, but not to each other.
17:42 This means that we are responsible.
17:44 Who has stopped us
17:46 from talking to each other?
17:48 Everything comes out of dialogue.
17:50 Everything comes out of dialogue.
17:52 And I think that ultimately...
17:54 Dialogue can be based on principles.
17:56 Sir, in the world,
17:58 this system of Govt.
18:00 without dialogue,
18:02 show me a system in the world
18:04 where there is democracy and no talking.
18:06 This is right.
18:08 If you want democracy,
18:10 you have to talk.
18:12 Opponents will give the name of the monkey,
18:14 someone will give the name of the peacock.
18:16 But you have to keep talking.
18:18 Before this, you gave extensions,
18:20 you talked about the NAB,
18:22 you talked about the Election Commission,
18:24 you talked about the NAB chief.
18:26 How many compromises have you made?
18:28 You talk about corruption.
18:30 In your parties, there are people who are corrupt,
18:32 who prevail in every party.
18:34 So you leave this, you don't compromise.
18:36 You sit and
18:38 put allegations of sectarianism
18:40 on some Jamaat.
18:42 This is the work of political Jamaats.
18:44 Using the Supreme Court
18:46 is a matter of principle.
18:48 Wherever there is a will,
18:50 the principle has been decided.
18:52 Wherever there is no will,
18:54 the principle has been taken.
18:56 So I think, whether it is a principle or not,
18:58 this system cannot be right without political dialogue.
19:00 I will ask Malik sir about this.
19:02 Please tell us another way.
19:04 A grand dialogue, Malik sir.
19:06 First, the politicians sit and make some decisions.
19:08 And first, the politicians
19:10 will have to make the decisions.
19:12 And then, the Jamaats will have to make decisions.
19:14 The question is, how will we make this inclusive?
19:16 You said that
19:18 there will be no political prisoners.
19:20 But how will we do this?
19:22 The biggest crisis is
19:24 how to manage the crisis.
19:26 Look, I am
19:30 like Raja sir and Chand sir
19:32 said, they are
19:34 my close friends.
19:36 It is not like
19:38 I have an acquaintanceship with them.
19:40 I understand their pain.
19:42 They are my close friends.
19:44 And I have no disagreement on anything.
19:46 And what you said,
19:48 I agree with you that
19:50 if we are making a government,
19:52 then it is our duty to move forward.
19:54 To go across the line.
19:56 To join hands with the people of our opposition.
19:58 What Mian Shabaz Sharif
20:00 said when
20:02 Imran Khan became the Prime Minister.
20:04 He said that we want to
20:06 do the Charter of Economy with you.
20:08 We want to broaden the Charter.
20:10 We want to do the Charter of Politics
20:12 and not the Charter of Economy.
20:14 We want to move things forward.
20:16 This is our responsibility.
20:18 And as Chand sir
20:20 said, Bilawal sir
20:22 said when the country was attacked
20:24 that Imran Khan, we are with you.
20:26 I am sure that the People's Party
20:28 will also move forward.
20:30 And Chand sir is saying, you tell me,
20:32 what is the solution?
20:34 Mian Shabaz Sharif said
20:36 that we should make an independent government.
20:38 He said it last night also.
20:40 Let's assume that it cannot be made.
20:42 Now the second way is that
20:44 we should not make it.
20:46 And obviously, the People's Party should not be formed
20:48 because they have 50 seats.
20:50 This means that the government should not be formed.
20:52 And if the government is not formed, then what?
20:54 If the government is not formed,
20:56 then we should go for re-election,
20:58 re-poll, give extension to the caretaker government.
21:00 That should continue.
21:02 That means that a political crisis should be created.
21:04 If you make an alliance,
21:06 especially when the People's Party
21:08 is inviting Imran Khan
21:10 that we are ready to talk to you,
21:12 then let's talk.
21:14 And if you are not talking,
21:16 then we are going to make a government,
21:18 then let us make it so that
21:20 the dialogue can move forward.
21:22 Or our endgame is only that
21:24 until a crisis is not created,
21:26 chaos is not created on the road,
21:28 that you should not make it, then we should not make it,
21:30 then the People's Party should not be formed,
21:32 and then a chaos should be created
21:34 in which God knows what will happen.
21:36 This is right,
21:38 but the government should not be formed.
21:40 I think this is not appropriate.
21:42 The government should be formed,
21:44 this is our first duty.
21:46 I think this is a government-building
21:48 easy action that you have done.
21:50 What you have to do after this,
21:52 the real difficult work,
21:54 you have to start after that.
21:56 You are absolutely right.
21:58 Our own friends are very angry.
22:00 We know that the analysts
22:02 were saying that
22:04 PMLN will have 85 to 110 seats.
22:06 The surveys that were coming,
22:08 they were saying that 90 to 110 seats will be there.
22:10 Now we have 70-75 seats,
22:12 our own friends are very worried.
22:14 Because of this,
22:16 this dialogue is very important
22:18 for healing, for keeping the country safe,
22:20 for moving the country forward,
22:22 and there is no other way,
22:24 otherwise we will go into chaos
22:26 if we continue with this adversity.
22:28 Now, how to deal with
22:30 this political challenge?
22:32 Because it's an elephant in the room,
22:34 somebody has to address it.
22:36 Do we have to do the same
22:38 Nizam again?
22:40 If we go to another election,
22:42 this is never ending.
22:44 So, should the political parties
22:46 first agree among themselves
22:48 that there are some bottom lines,
22:50 there are some principles
22:52 that none of us will violate
22:54 and we will be bound by them.
22:56 We will spread the seats.
22:58 But I think it was easy
23:00 to hear the speech of Mariam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba
23:02 for a Punjab government
23:04 to tell their priorities
23:06 and policies.
23:08 I think when the central government
23:10 will be formed,
23:12 its priorities will be very different
23:14 from the provinces.
23:16 Their big challenges are very different
23:18 from the provinces.
23:20 Like I said, the biggest challenge
23:22 is the political challenge.
23:24 I think the political challenge
23:26 is not being solved.
23:28 The decisions should have been made
23:30 and the seats should have been given.
23:32 People should have formed their governments
23:34 and parties should have given their lists.
23:36 Let's talk about this.
23:38 We will take a break.
23:40 Welcome back.
23:42 We are talking about the Nizam.
23:44 The issue of government
23:46 has started to move forward.
23:48 Salman sir, we were talking
23:50 about this during a break.
23:52 The Nizam has a very important role
23:54 to play in the future.
23:56 He has to solve conflict,
23:58 solve problems, troubleshoot.
24:00 The political leader has to play
24:02 a very important role
24:04 in the future.
24:06 Do you think Khan sir
24:08 has changed?
24:10 He was not ready to talk.
24:12 Do you think he has changed?
24:14 He realized that he will need
24:16 political alliances
24:18 to solve the problems.
24:20 Will that happen?
24:22 Do you think that can happen?
24:24 Yes, absolutely.
24:26 The basic stance will remain.
24:28 But the discussion is going on.
24:30 I have said this before.
24:32 No one is saying that we will not talk.
24:34 We were talking.
24:36 We are worried.
24:38 We are aware that
24:40 we have been deceived
24:42 in this election.
24:44 To create a atmosphere of trust,
24:46 it would be good if the government
24:48 would establish a commission
24:50 for investigation.
24:52 A commission was established
24:54 in 2015.
24:56 There is no need for a protest
24:58 or any other action.
25:00 The government should come
25:02 and openly say that
25:04 we are making this commission.
25:06 Let's sit down and talk
25:08 on the terms of reference.
25:10 Why will we not talk?
25:12 We will talk.
25:14 But the discussion should be
25:16 based on the basis of trust.
25:18 We will sit down and make
25:20 the TORs.
25:22 We will see what will be done
25:24 and what will be done
25:26 as a result of the investigation.
25:28 We will sit down and discuss
25:30 and then see where
25:32 the issue will go.
25:34 The atmosphere of understanding
25:36 should be there.
25:38 There should be a dialogue.
25:40 This commission will provide
25:42 the basis for that.
25:44 We learn from you,
25:46 you are an educated man.
25:48 You and I lost the election.
25:50 We both lost.
25:52 The people who won the election
25:54 and are sitting in the assembly,
25:56 shouldn't the public follow
25:58 the rule of law?
26:00 Shouldn't the elections be
26:02 reformed in our country?
26:04 We should stand on the basis
26:06 that we were defeated.
26:08 It's okay that people were
26:10 treated unfairly.
26:12 But the duty of the political
26:14 parties is not just one.
26:16 The country is in crisis.
26:18 Our foreign policy is in crisis.
26:20 Our relations with our neighbours
26:22 are in crisis.
26:24 The rule of law is in crisis.
26:26 The system of justice is in
26:28 total destruction.
26:30 Should we sit down and
26:32 sit on the basis of
26:34 election reform and
26:36 elections inquiry?
26:38 We should deliver
26:40 the message that
26:42 the political parties
26:44 are not the only ones
26:46 who are suffering.
26:48 The role of the opposition
26:50 is the same for all.
26:52 Should we stop the public
26:54 from playing the election?
26:56 The country has been
26:58 suffering for many years.
27:00 How can we fix the country
27:02 that has been suffering
27:04 for many years?
27:06 This is not something
27:08 that we should put aside
27:10 and do the rest of the work.
27:12 We have to do everything.
27:14 We have to run the government.
27:16 We have to decide the government.
27:18 But it's not possible that
27:20 we should give a message
27:22 that we have to give so many seats
27:24 to so and so party.
27:26 We will give them the seats.
27:28 It's not like they wanted
27:30 to make everyone zero.
27:32 No one was made zero.
27:34 But the voice of the people
27:36 has been changed.
27:38 If we don't make a big decision
27:40 and don't do the right research
27:42 then the turnout in the next
27:44 election will be 25%.
27:46 You are taking the trust
27:48 of the people from the
27:50 democracy.
27:52 How will you run the government
27:54 in the future?
27:56 Or should we decide
27:58 that we have to end democracy
28:00 in this country?
28:02 We have to run the government
28:04 and we have to do the work.
28:06 So this is a very basic matter.
28:08 Until you don't trust the people
28:10 and the government,
28:12 you can't move forward.
28:14 But you should definitely
28:16 run the government and
28:18 run the foreign policy
28:20 and economic policy.
28:22 But this is a basic matter.
28:24 The entire government
28:26 is standing on this.
28:28 So you can't put it aside.
28:30 You can't put it aside.
28:32 Who is responsible for the
28:34 reforms? The election commission
28:36 and the people who made the
28:38 election commission.
28:40 If we don't sit together
28:42 and talk, how will it be right?
28:44 You put the election commission
28:46 but not on the request of the
28:48 political government.
28:50 I was in PTI and you put the
28:52 election commission on General Faiz's
28:54 request. So what happened?
28:56 It was done through political
28:58 dialogue.
29:00 I agree with you.
29:02 I think that
29:04 politicians will have to decide
29:06 that instead of
29:08 putting it on their own people
29:10 that it is for their own benefit
29:12 and we have to put it on because
29:14 it is of no use.
29:16 We can do it by sitting together.
29:18 And if we don't sit together,
29:20 it will be beneficial to the same people
29:22 who have been doing it for years.
29:24 We will remain puppets.
29:26 I agree with you.
29:28 We should have a dialogue.
29:30 That is why I said that we should
29:32 sit on the TORs of the commission
29:34 and talk. We will discuss all
29:36 the things. How we will put the
29:38 election commission and what role
29:40 we will give to the election commission.
29:42 We will also discuss the technical
29:44 issues. How the EMS system or RTS
29:46 system will work. We can discuss
29:48 all these issues. We can have a dialogue.
29:50 But you should start it.
29:52 The government should start
29:54 the discussion. The government
29:56 should start the discussion.
29:58 Let's see what one of the first few
30:00 things that the Prime Minister
30:02 will do when he becomes the PM.
30:04 Mr. Malik, you are seeing this
30:06 debate. I think you will take this
30:08 debate to the assembly.
30:10 You will talk about roughly these
30:12 lines. The leader of the opposition
30:14 will also be of PTI. You will
30:16 have a daily discussion.
30:18 So, you have to address this.
30:20 You cannot move forward without
30:22 addressing it.
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