Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 14th October 2024

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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi

Guests:
- Salman Akram Raja PTI
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
- Aslam Ghauri JUIF
- Dr Azim uddin Lakhvi PTI

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Transcript
00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:14These days, in Islamabad, SCO is being held.
00:17You must have heard about the three-day holiday.
00:20It has been announced that a very big event is being held in Islamabad.
00:23Many international dignitaries are attending it.
00:27But politics is also taking place around it.
00:29And what is politics?
00:30Politics is that Tariq-e-Insaf is coming to Islamabad to protest.
00:37Their demand is that they should meet a doctor or a politician.
00:44Chairman of Tariq-e-Insaf, Imran Khan.
00:47This demand came to light four days ago on the 11th.
00:52And on the 11th, it was announced that he would come to Islamabad on the 15th.
00:59Now, Tariq-e-Insaf waited for four days.
01:03I asked my friends, why did you feel the need to wait if you are so worried about Imran Khan's health?
01:09Someone said, sir, it takes time to mobilize people.
01:12People will come, so we will have to bring people.
01:15So the government sees it as a blackmail.
01:19They say that Tariq-e-Insaf is blackmailing on this occasion.
01:22But it seems that it also suits the government that Tariq-e-Insaf protests in these days.
01:28What kind of words have been used for Tariq-e-Insaf?
01:32I will tell you that too.
01:33Mr. Salman Khan Raja is joining us in the program.
01:36Secretary General of Pakistan of Tariq-e-Insaf.
01:40One thought is also that Tariq-e-Insaf will meet.
01:46So there was a chance to become a hero.
01:48Many people said that we are coming, we will bring a sea of lakhs.
01:52On the thought that if the jail was opened at 7 in the morning, then it will be opened again.
01:59I don't like the positions of both sides so beautifully.
02:04Tariq-e-Insaf can wait to protest.
02:07And what is the problem with the government?
02:09You have closed the jail in the name of security.
02:11Everyone knows what it means to close the security of the jail.
02:15You have also closed Islamabad in the name of security.
02:18If there can still be an SCO in Islamabad, then there can be a meeting in the jail.
02:23But he is stubborn.
02:24He is standing on his side.
02:26Now, the caravan from Lahore will be brought by Hamad Azhar, the president of Tariq-e-Insaf of Punjab.
02:33Will the caravan from KAP bring Ali Amin, Gandapur?
02:36The real question is that mixed news is coming about it.
02:40Mr. Salman Raja is with us.
02:41Mr. Raja, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:42Assalam-o-Alaikum.
02:43Why did you say on 11th that we will come on 15th or 12th or 13th?
02:47Mr. Imran Khan's life should have been so important that you should have gone immediately the next day.
02:51If you think that things are bad, his health is very bad.
02:55No, it is not possible.
02:56There is a logistics of it.
02:57This is a very pleasant thing.
03:00Plus, we were very sure that this will be seen on human basis.
03:08We said that only his doctor, Mr. Asim Yusuf, should be allowed to go.
03:13He is a non-political person.
03:17He has never come out and talked about politics.
03:20So, we were very sure that this will be accepted on a humanitarian level.
03:28We still hope that Dr. Asim Yusuf is present in Islamabad at this time.
03:32But you were denied, right?
03:33No, I was not denied.
03:34I have read the notification of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
03:37Someone said that there is a discussion going on.
03:41They said that this will be a special treatment.
03:45If others do not have it, then why did you give this favour to Mr. Khan?
03:48Look, this was done for Mr. Khan.
03:50Mr. Khan was given a special favour when he was released from jail in the morning.
03:56Look, he is the leader of the biggest political party in the country.
04:00The treatment that is being given to him has always been special.
04:04The way he has been kept, no good treatment has been given to him.
04:09But in view of all this, there is a situation at the moment.
04:14You say that the last meeting with him was on 3rd October.
04:17Now, when he will be presented in jail on 19th October, then the meeting will take place.
04:22For 16 days, you have terminated the meeting with him.
04:26No lawyer, no family, no doctor.
04:28So, our request was that the political matters related to him,
04:34the political matters of the country, the engagement of the people,
04:37keeping all this in view, let him go and see his doctor once.
04:42He will come and give his statement.
04:44He will not talk about his health in any political way.
04:47The rest of the people in jail are not Imran Khan.
04:52Anyway, the millions of people of Pakistan do not have such a relationship with him.
04:57Look, the restriction that he has imposed,
05:00he has not imposed it for the 8000 people who are in jail.
05:03He has imposed it for Imran Khan.
05:05As I said, the security is the same as it is in Islamabad at the moment.
05:11And the SCO that is taking place in Islamabad,
05:14a meeting can take place there.
05:16Earlier also, the jail was open.
05:18If you don't send your sister, then send the doctor.
05:20There was no such thing in this.
05:22This is being done.
05:23But do you realize that when you say at the time of SCO that we will protest,
05:27this is the government.
05:29As I said, both things, I find them absurd.
05:32With great respect.
05:36First of all, the government will not let us meet.
05:38Because this is not mischief.
05:40Governments are not mischievous.
05:42It should not be.
05:43But we also do not want to cause any harm to the country.
05:45But the SCO is taking place on this side.
05:47On this occasion, let's say you come to Islamabad with a group,
05:52and tears are flowing.
05:53What message are we sending them?
05:55We do not want this message at all.
05:57And tears should not flow.
05:59If, for example, a protest group or a crowd comes,
06:06then let it come.
06:08What is the need to shed tears?
06:10There is no intention of violence here.
06:12There is no intention of breaking anything.
06:14People come, come in order, and leave in order.
06:17We do not want to give any protest.
06:20But in spite of all this, we do not want any scene to be created in Islamabad.
06:26And we had and still have full hope that
06:28Mr. Imran Khan will be met on human grounds.
06:31But sir, has anyone from your party spoken to the Superintendent of Jail?
06:37Look, I do not want to go into too much detail,
06:39but there is some connection.
06:41Let me tell you, your Chief Whip,
06:43his conversation has been made by the Speaker with the Jailor.
06:47He said that he had an ear infection.
06:49It was probably a tooth infection.
06:51It went into his ear.
06:52They gave him the medicine and he is okay.
06:54Did you receive this message?
06:55Yes, we received this message from the Jailor
06:57that his health is not in such a state
07:00that the people of Pakistan are worried about.
07:05This message has come from there.
07:07But in spite of this, we want that
07:09his trusted physician,
07:11whom he trusts, the nation trusts,
07:13Dr. Asim Yusuf,
07:15let him examine him, let him meet him.
07:17Do you trust what the Jailor is telling you?
07:20No, look, it is not possible.
07:22We cannot trust the Jailor 100%.
07:24That is why we are saying that
07:26let Dr. Asim Yusuf go.
07:28But look, along with this,
07:30if we are told that we are giving evidence of irresponsibility,
07:34which we are not giving at all,
07:36we consider ourselves a government in waiting.
07:38But sir, you are using SEO, aren't you?
07:40No, no, I am not using it.
07:41How is this possible?
07:42Let me tell you.
07:43You can wait for four or six days.
07:45No, no, look, then the matter will end.
07:47Exactly.
07:48No, look, we will meet on the 18th anyway.
07:50We are saying that we cannot wait for so many days.
07:52This is a ban until the 18th.
07:54There is no after that.
07:55We can meet on the evening of the 18th anyway.
07:57I will share a few statements with you.
07:58Let me talk for a minute.
07:59Look, when you say that there is SEO
08:01and we should not do anything in respect of SEO,
08:04then the government should not kidnap people
08:06in the guise of SEO.
08:08It should not go to people's homes and commit atrocities.
08:11We are also being told that
08:13the meeting will be called on the 17th or 18th
08:15and a constitutional amendment will be made.
08:17During that time, our people will be chosen.
08:20I will talk to you about the constitutional amendment.
08:22I am just saying that
08:24the government should also respect SEO.
08:26Sir, you are a politician.
08:28You are using SEO.
08:29You are also using it.
08:30If it were not for SEO,
08:31you would know that the government
08:33would be under a lot of pressure right now.
08:35No, it is not like that.
08:36They are looking at it this way.
08:38It is possible.
08:39What do you say about your protest at the SCA conference?
08:43It is a reflection of hostile thinking.
08:45These are just a few words that have been used.
08:47We know what you are saying.
08:49The country is hostile.
08:50Yes, the country is hostile.
08:51It is a contradiction in political terrorism.
08:53Okay.
08:55It should be done in a constitutional manner.
08:57But if it is not done,
08:58then it is a declaration of war against the state
09:00of the movement of corruption.
09:01Okay.
09:02These are the words that are being used.
09:04These are just words.
09:05These are just words.
09:06They will do it after a long time.
09:07These are just words.
09:08But look,
09:09we will not give them a chance, God willing.
09:11We are a responsible community.
09:13We have contacts with our country.
09:15It is not like that.
09:16We have lived in a government.
09:17And we will continue to live in a government.
09:19That is why we will maintain our relations.
09:22Nothing will happen
09:23that will allow us to reach Pakistan.
09:26But what is to be seen,
09:27which has now become evident to everyone,
09:29to the whole world,
09:31that SEO has been used for coercion,
09:34for coercion,
09:35people have been kidnapped,
09:36beaten,
09:37such a reform
09:38by which the legal system of Pakistan,
09:40the judicial system,
09:41will be completely defeated,
09:42the whole effort to do that is going on.
09:45This was a point that came in front of everyone.
09:47It came in front of you too.
09:48It came in front of the whole world.
09:50Now we will decide this evening
09:51what we have to do.
09:52Ali Ameen's statement has come.
09:53He gave a speech in the assembly.
09:56Meeting Bani PTI is our legitimate demand.
09:59If the government does not fulfill this demand,
10:02then we will go to Islamabad.
10:04I think we will meet.
10:07I think this statement is being made
10:10so that someone at the back door knows
10:12that there will be a breakthrough.
10:14God willing.
10:15Look, I understand with a lot of honesty.
10:17This is politics.
10:18We know what we are doing.
10:19Look, this is not politics.
10:20Otherwise, we would have sealed it.
10:22This is a human thing.
10:23They have sisters,
10:24they have a family,
10:25and millions of people are going to keep in touch with them,
10:28who are really worried at the moment.
10:30Leave politics in this.
10:32If Asim Yusuf looks at them for 10-20 minutes
10:36and says that they are fine,
10:38then the issue will end.
10:39This is it.
10:40The problem is that,
10:41let's take a look at the scene, Mr. Salman.
10:44On one hand, there is the SCO,
10:45and the Chinese Prime Minister,
10:47and the Russians,
10:48whoever has come to Islamabad at this time.
10:51On the other hand,
10:52Ali Ameen Gandapur is coming to Islamabad
10:54leading a group.
10:56On the other hand,
10:57Hamad Azhar said,
10:58let me die,
10:59I will also lead one.
11:00I am sure you will lead the people of Islamabad and come out.
11:03So, in Islamabad,
11:05law enforcement and the clerics
11:07must be fighting each other.
11:09This is what will happen.
11:10This should not happen.
11:11But if it happens, then this is it.
11:13This should not happen.
11:15See, it should not happen,
11:16if it does not happen.
11:18But if they do not meet,
11:19then this will happen.
11:20We will see what happens.
11:21We have to make some decisions today evening.
11:24So, coming to Islamabad
11:25and protesting,
11:26is there any guarantee?
11:27We will see.
11:28We will see.
11:29We will keep this matter
11:30in front of our different committees
11:32and will make a decision.
11:34There was news about you in the newspaper
11:36and everyone thinks,
11:37as far as I have talked to Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaab,
11:39that there are two groups in your party.
11:42You are a pro-protest group.
11:44You are with those people
11:45who want to protest in Islamabad.
11:47Is this right?
11:49Look, I will not go into these news.
11:51Internal matters are internal.
11:52Let them stay there.
11:53What is your personal opinion?
11:54Should there be a protest
11:55if there is no meeting?
11:56Look, this should be done
11:58with the majority opinion.
12:00We will keep this matter
12:01in front of the committee.
12:02The majority opinion will be followed.
12:05I will tell you this.
12:06The division of your party
12:07is very clear in the political statements.
12:10Listen.
12:12We will all say
12:13that there should be no opposition.
12:14If you do not let us meet
12:16with Mr. Khan till 14,
12:18then on 15, Islamabad is coming.
12:20I am not in favour of it
12:21and I have said this.
12:23The decision will be made soon
12:25if there are some people
12:26who want to protest.
12:27These are his fundamental rights.
12:29According to me,
12:30if he does not exist,
12:31then we do not have
12:32any other way other than protest.
12:34Look, this conversation is going on.
12:37I just said this.
12:38Sir, Kala Ali Ameen
12:39has to come out of Peshawar.
12:40He has to take care of the people.
12:41Hammad Azhar has to take care of the people.
12:43Are you sure?
12:44No, this conversation is going on
12:45and this conversation will continue.
12:47Why are you confusing people?
12:49Look, this is a political situation
12:51but it is also a human moment.
12:53So, we will continue the conversation.
12:55This is also a political moment.
12:56This is also a national moment.
12:58This has to do with the dignity of the country.
13:01So, we will put everything in front
13:03and make a final decision.
13:04Like last time,
13:05if you have put people on the streets
13:07and the leadership is missing
13:09and you have come in front.
13:11This is what happened last time.
13:12The leadership was missing.
13:13There was no leader on the streets.
13:14This is your good luck
13:15that someone raised a slogan
13:17that let's go, let's go,
13:18our minister has been taken away.
13:19Let's go to the KP House
13:20and someone stopped it.
13:21Otherwise, if this is the momentum
13:22to go to the D-Chowk or the red zone,
13:24which can be done,
13:26you did the same thing last time.
13:28Will we see similar scenes again?
13:30Look, we should not take anything.
13:32So, what is the plan then?
13:34Look, as I said,
13:35we will have a meeting.
13:36There will be a discussion.
13:37We do not have any plan
13:38that there will be any problem.
13:40Everyone should work patiently.
13:43No tear gas should be shelled here.
13:46No bullets should be fired.
13:48Imran Khan sir has given instructions.
13:49Hamad Uddar sir has said in your group
13:51Imran Khan sir has given instructions
13:52that everyone should reach Islamabad on the 15th.
13:54Look, these are rumours.
13:56What are the instructions?
13:57What is not there?
13:58That is the internal matter of the party.
14:00This is not expressed through YouTube.
14:03People make their own rumours.
14:06Sir, but do you realize?
14:07Okay, because you talk about everything
14:09politically inside your party.
14:11No, I don't want to talk about it.
14:12I can't do it.
14:13I shouldn't do it.
14:14I respect that you don't want to talk about it.
14:16But you talk about practical things.
14:18These are political matters.
14:19These things will happen politically.
14:21Even now.
14:22Look, we want there to be dialogue.
14:24There should be dialogue.
14:25They are not talking to you.
14:26This is a human decision.
14:27Sir, they are not talking to you.
14:28They are refusing to do it.
14:29No, it is not like that.
14:30And I understand why they are doing it.
14:31It is not like that.
14:32It is not like that.
14:33We are talking.
14:34Something or the other happens.
14:35It is not like that.
14:36Look, people give the impression
14:37that PTI does not talk to anyone,
14:39does not talk to political parties, etc.
14:41It is not like that.
14:42At every level,
14:43there is a conversation somewhere every day.
14:45Whether it is at the committee level
14:46or at some other level,
14:47there is a conversation.
14:49But it is happening right now.
14:52It happens at some level.
14:56And that level is such that you trust it.
14:58Or you give importance to it.
15:00And did you see any green signal
15:02that your wish will be fulfilled?
15:04Look, I believe that
15:06the human attitudes
15:08are established somewhere.
15:10It is not like that
15:12that humanity has completely died.
15:14So we believe that
15:16decisions will be based on humanity.
15:18Politics will be in its place.
15:20Sir, political decisions are made in this country.
15:22No, this is our thought.
15:24But it is not like that.
15:25Look, humans are humans anyway.
15:27And humanity
15:28expresses its existence somewhere.
15:33Tell me this.
15:36When you talk about humanity,
15:38it is better not to talk about
15:39the law, the law of humanity
15:40and morality in this country.
15:41No, we will definitely talk about it.
15:42Look, it is an injustice.
15:43Look, it is not an injustice.
15:44I do not agree.
15:45Decisions will not be based on money.
15:46No, not at all.
15:47It is not like that.
15:48Look, when we started talking to
15:50Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
15:52he made some announcements.
15:54People said, look, this will not happen.
15:56Maulana will leave your hand.
15:58I came out on the same day and said
16:00that I have seen the determination
16:02in Maulana's eyes.
16:03I have heard the depth of his words.
16:05No, he will not leave.
16:06He has adopted a position.
16:07It is a principled position.
16:08He will remain on it.
16:09Many people have also worked on it.
16:10And you proved wrong today.
16:11No, I proved wrong.
16:12They said that there was a lot of
16:14corruption.
16:15Believe me, it did not happen.
16:17The basic things that we discussed
16:19with them, the matters that we
16:21decided, they are standing there.
16:23I will come to Maulana on this.
16:25I want to say that in this country,
16:27even in politics, I think,
16:29there is an interference of
16:31principles and humanity.
16:33We become very cynical for no reason.
16:35We are not cynical.
16:37No, we are wrong to some extent.
16:39Look, if we leave the belief in humanity,
16:41if we say that everything is a
16:43business, then this country will
16:45fall at once.
16:47It has fallen.
16:49It is a business.
16:51Wake up, you are the Secretary
16:53General of Pakistan.
16:55It is a business.
16:57It is run like business.
16:59We will go to the people of Pakistan
17:01on the basis of decency, humanity
17:03and principles.
17:05And we will insist that politics
17:07should be based on decency, humanity
17:09and principles.
17:11It should not be.
17:13It should not be.
17:15Despite this, you see, people are
17:17not understanding.
17:19There has been a change in politics.
17:21When people join politics, they
17:23want to see the value in politics.
17:25The people who put millions of votes
17:27in the cities, in the streets,
17:29children who voted, who came
17:31and hugged me on February 8,
17:33they want there to be humanity
17:35and decency in politics.
17:37We do politics for them.
17:39We will not do politics for those
17:41who have given us money.
17:43Today your voter, your supporter
17:45who goes out and protests for you,
17:47what message will he get from you
17:49that we went out to protest.
17:51You say we should stay awake
17:53till 12 at night.
17:55There will be a meeting of the committee
17:57at 12 at night.
17:59We should make sure that we
18:01will stand up for Imran Khan,
18:03for the politics of PTI,
18:05for the constitution of the country
18:07and we will take the decision that is right for the majority.
18:11We are a political party and we are not running this individually.
18:14Right now, the decision will be taken by the majority and the decision will be taken by the majority.
18:18I know people who have said that if they are told to go out and announce that there is no need,
18:26they will say that we cannot do it.
18:28The same thing was told to me the day you came to Islamabad.
18:31Your chairman told his committee that the demand has come from there.
18:38End the trade.
18:40He said that you go out and announce it yourself.
18:42We will not go. People will vote.
18:44These words have been used there.
18:45It is not like that. This is a misunderstanding.
18:47Look, Mr. Imran Khan had already postponed it on 22nd August.
18:51It is something else to do with Khan.
18:53His principles are that if that day in Islamabad…
18:57People accept the U-turn of Khan.
18:59Minus Khan does not accept the U-turn of anyone.
19:01Look, there should be courage to speak the truth.
19:03If a decision is made on the basis of principles and the majority does it, then we will see what happens.
19:08Look, we are not afraid of YouTube or social media.
19:12We will make the right decisions based on principles and democratic traditions.
19:16But your party reacts to social media.
19:18We will see. We will see how it reacts and where we stand.
19:21If we do not stay, we will go home.
19:23We are doing something else.
19:25This is a new. This is the first time I am listening.
19:27Because I know that your party, which is happening on social media,
19:30is usually making decisions based on that.
19:32How do we go to Karnataka?
19:34No, this should not happen.
19:36Look, decisions should be made on the basis of thinking, understanding and understanding.
19:41There should be no pressure that someone said this on his YouTube,
19:44someone is compromised, someone is adulterated, someone is a thief,
19:47so we should bow down. This will not happen.
19:49If I am present here, then I will speak about what I think is right in the party.
19:54I will present arguments for that.
19:56I do not care what someone says to me on social media.
19:59Right. But this is not happening before your party.
20:02Give me a minute. Let me take a point of view.
20:05If you protested at the meeting, then I will come to you.
20:08Because this is a holistic.
20:10A very big thought is also that some of your people are broken.
20:14There is also a thought or news is coming that some people are being forced to break or break.
20:20Where do you stand on this?
20:22Let's talk about this. You can take your opinion later. I am in a bit of a hurry.
20:26Then you tell me.
20:28Mr. Bilal, I have only two questions to ask him.
20:30I wanted to complete this segment of your protest.
20:33After that, I will complete it in this segment.
20:35I will take a longer one.
20:37Mr. Bilal, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
20:38Wa-alaikum-assalam, Mr. Kashyap.
20:40Mr. Bilal, are you meeting Imran Khan of PTI?
20:43Doctor.
20:44Doctor.
20:45Yes, look.
20:46Yes, this is Akbar-e-Karim Kashyap.
20:49Firstly, thank you for taking me on the show.
20:51Look, the thing is that I don't know.
20:54I have seen in the news today that the PTI has also made a request.
20:58And look, the administration will look into the matter.
21:02Whoever is a prisoner according to the Jail Manual should be met.
21:08Sir, these things are not according to the Jail Manual.
21:10You don't open the jail according to the Jail Manual at 7 in the morning.
21:12But you also open it in the context of politics.
21:15So let's not get into what the Jail Manual says.
21:18This is your political decision.
21:20Yes, look.
21:21This is the Jail Administration.
21:23They have also gone to court.
21:24I say that any prisoner should be met according to the Jail Manual.
21:29Because so far they have received a lot of rights from the Jail Manual.
21:33They are also getting the machines of their choice.
21:34They are also getting food.
21:35They have also been meeting the companions daily.
21:37And it is absolutely right that it should be done.
21:39But, I am sorry to say that on 15th October,
21:42it is absolutely unacceptable to do this protest with the execution of the FCO.
21:47What will you do if he comes to Islamabad?
21:51No, not at all.
21:53We will not let him come.
21:54And for that, the law will be in effect.
21:57This can't be a joke every other day.
22:00A spoilt child, again and again,
22:02making noise in attention-seeking behaviour.
22:04I mean, even now, such a Jamaat,
22:06which left the FCO meeting 3-4 days ago,
22:09which last week,
22:11even rejected the Palestine Fraud Party Conference,
22:14and is behind the politics of his ego and his small chair,
22:17should we repeat the same drama of that Jamaat?
22:20Today, foreign media is present here.
22:22Foreign leaders are coming.
22:23Pakistan has such a big opportunity.
22:25And even in this, these people don't understand
22:28that there is something beyond their politics.
22:30And the second thing is that
22:32they leave Imran Khan's meeting and make some other excuse.
22:36They are worried about why this FCO meeting is taking place.
22:39They are asking for a doctor's appointment.
22:41They are saying that they will meet again tonight.
22:44They don't want to protest at all.
22:46I know that KP is exhausted.
22:48Lameen doesn't want to protest either.
22:50They don't want to do it.
22:52They want to meet him.
22:54They are getting news like this.
23:00I have asked this question.
23:02It could have been on 11th, 12th, 13th, 18th.
23:04This protest could have been done later.
23:12So, you look at it as blackmail.
23:28So, you have zero patience for them after this.
23:30But it's okay.
23:31Mr. Bilal, thank you very much.
23:32This is what I wanted to ask.
23:33People say that they are blackmailers.
23:35I will tell you about this later.
23:37Now, quickly, because...
23:39Tell me this.
23:41Do you think that reform is happening or not?
23:44Look, they don't have a number for reform right now.
23:47Our people are not broken.
23:49Maulana is standing strong.
23:51He is against the Constitutional Court.
23:54He has proposed a Constitutional Bench.
23:56Our lawyer has been proposing this for a long time.
23:59That they should make a Constitutional Bench.
24:01It is also in India.
24:02There is no problem in that.
24:04So, if you look at it from this perspective, there is no number.
24:08Four people are broken here.
24:09No, no one is broken.
24:11Where is Maulana standing?
24:12Maulana is standing with us.
24:13What does he say about the Constitutional Court?
24:14He is totally against the Constitutional Court.
24:15So, what he is saying is that the demand has almost been born.
24:17What did he say?
24:18Just now, Mr. Kamran Murtaza has said in another TV program
24:22that we are totally against the Constitutional Court.
24:24We will not support it.
24:25So, the Constitutional Court is the biggest contention.
24:27The Constitutional Court is the biggest contention.
24:28He is very clear on that.
24:29Look at the article.
24:30Article 8 and Article 199 were also there.
24:32It is also clear that fundamental rights are fundamental rights.
24:35They will not tolerate any violation on that.
24:37They will not accept the rights of the High Court.
24:39They will not accept the issue of taking judges from one High Court
24:42and sending them to another High Court.
24:44So, all these fundamental rights are there.
24:46Why do you have to hide your people and keep them KP?
24:48Because they are kidnapping, beating our people.
24:50We do not want our people to be beaten.
24:52How many people are there?
24:53As many as there are, they are safe.
24:55Therefore, as far as our people are concerned,
24:57as far as Maulana is concerned, the matter is clear.
24:59Now, they have only one way to get these reserved seats
25:01issued against the decision of the Supreme Court
25:03by the Election Commission.
25:05I see this as their only option.
25:07They have no other option.
25:09And this will happen?
25:11Let's see.
25:13They have found a way.
25:15Okay.
25:17Look, we also see what is coming.
25:19But this is not a matter of beating.
25:21This is a matter for Pakistan.
25:23This is a matter for Pakistan.
25:25We will not talk about it with a smile.
25:27What they are trying to do is so scary
25:29that you have to pity all of us.
25:31We will not talk about it with a smile.
25:33We have got used to seeing these scary incidents in Pakistan.
25:35But this will affect all of your children in the future.
25:37Therefore, this is not a matter of beating.
25:39This is a very basic attack on the rules of Pakistan.
25:41But I am again saying that whatever transformation
25:43should be made,
25:45it should be done with broad-based consensus.
25:47But I am again saying that whatever transformation
25:49should be made,
25:51it should be done with broad-based consensus.
25:53broad-based consensus
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27:18Today, when Maulana Fazlur Rahman spoke to the press, he said something that seemed to be a coincidence between the government and Maulana Fazlur Rahman.
27:30Listen to what he said.
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