WATCH: 'What Are We Getting For Our Loyalty?' ESSENCE Black Futures Now Honorees Speak Candidly About The Upcoming Election

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Civil rights attorney Mawuli Davis and Moms Demand Action Executive Director Angela Ferrell-Zabala sit down with ESSENCE to discuss our Black future and critical voter issues.
Transcript
00:00 The perception is this, I have a 24 and a 26 year old graduates of Howard University and
00:07 and have voted and their peer group are they're really on the fence about whether or not they're
00:15 even going to vote right and and we are no longer in position to say do it because of what your
00:24 ancestors sacrificed. They're just not hearing that as a an appeal to vote. They want to see
00:31 some tangible results for black people and one of those that I think would be one of the clear,
00:40 a clear statement is an executive order around reparation.
00:50 Hello everyone, I'm Essence News and Politics Editor Melissa Noel. This month we are celebrating
00:56 Black History Month at Essence with our inaugural Black Futures List Now, highlighting select
01:03 change makers across the country who are fighting for our economic and racial justice. Today I have
01:10 the pleasure of being joined by a few of our honorees. First up we have Angela Farrell Zawala,
01:17 Executive Director of Moms Demand Action and Civil Rights Attorney Mauli Davis,
01:23 founding partner of the Davis-Boseman-Johnson Law Firm for a really important conversation on the
01:30 issues that matter to our communities as we approach the 2024 presidential election and I
01:37 know we have a lot to talk about so I want to just say thank you first of all for joining me today.
01:44 Thank you. Thank you. I want to start off of course on a positive note and I want to ask
01:51 each of you to tell me what it is that gives you hope about our black future as a community.
01:59 You're going to start off hopeful. Well I'll jump in and just say there's so many things that give
02:03 me hope about our community. I just, the way that I get up every day and I work on gun violence
02:09 prevention which is a really hard traumatizing issue. We understand how pervasive it is in this
02:14 country and we understand the impacts to black community but I get up every single day and make
02:18 the choice to do this because I know I wouldn't be here without hope. I wouldn't be here without
02:24 hope. I know that our ancestors, I know my family members have moved us to a place where we can do
02:29 this work and our voices can be elevated. I also look at young leaders nowadays that are stepping
02:36 up and taking things into their own hands and using different modalities to do that whether
02:41 through art and culture or whatever it may be. They're finding the spaces so I have a lot of
02:46 hope and I'm going to continue living on that hope to make sure that we can fight for safer
02:50 communities. Thank you for that. I share a lot of the same hope. My hope is based largely on the
02:59 work of our ancestors and their ability to accomplish incredible feats in spite of
03:07 meager resources and have so much more in resources than they had but they had will,
03:14 they had integrity and so standing on those ancestors' shoulders allows us to be able to see
03:23 above the negativity. It allows us to see beyond the challenges that we have and the young people.
03:34 We have a couple of young people that we work with, organizations, the Black Man Lab, the Black
03:40 Woman's Lab are really youth-focused gatherings where we're creating what we call safe, sacred,
03:46 and healing spaces and we're able to hear these young people's, their voices, their needs, their
03:52 desires, to be able to help them reimagine what the future could look like. I also have the honor
04:00 of working at one of our great HBCUs, Clark Atlanta University, in the Dr. Mack Jones
04:07 Political Science Department and so my students, they come in and they're on fire. They are ready
04:15 for a new day and not only are they ready for it figuratively, they are prepared to work towards
04:23 it and that gives you the fuel that you need in our work as organizers, public policy makers,
04:33 and I do have a challenging day because we do civil rights and so often our civil rights are
04:39 violated and it's hard to win in this arena under the current structure but we believe that we have
04:47 all that we need in our classrooms, in our organizations, in our community to be victorious
04:54 in our struggle for liberation. No, and I thank you both for kind of, you know, starting that
05:00 conversation here, looking ahead, right? We have so much we have to talk about for right now. We
05:06 know what's happened in the past but we also know that it's important to look ahead so I think it
05:11 brings us really greatly into the conversation where Angela, I'd like to ask you, you know,
05:17 Moms Demand Action looks at all forms of gun violence, not just the school shootings that
05:24 make the news but the everyday gun violence that is impacting Black and brown communities.
05:30 Can you share with us how you believe we can build not only on awareness but also take action
05:38 on a policy level starting within our local communities similar to the ways that you have
05:44 and many of the people that you work with do? Yeah, thank you for that very important question.
05:51 There's many things. You talked about building awareness and I think I don't want to overlook
05:55 that. Making sure that we're where the impact is most greatly felt is really important and we know
06:03 Black and brown communities in particular are disproportionately impacted by gun violence in
06:07 this country. It is a public health crisis and frankly it's been a public health crisis in Black
06:12 communities for some time. One in three Black people or someone that they care for has been
06:18 shot and killed by a gun. That's a big number and so we want to make sure that we're doing the
06:24 outreach where the people are, whether that is, I talked about young leaders, whether we're talking
06:28 about talking to young folks at HBCUs, we're talking about talking with people in their
06:34 communities and make sure that they are included in strategy. It's critical because they often
06:41 know exactly what is needed, they just are lacking either the resources to accomplish or really scale
06:47 up what they're doing. We want to make sure that we're centering the stories of Black survivors and
06:52 students and volunteers and also leaders and elected officials that have stepped up to help
06:57 address this crisis and so many other and that gets to electing people that actually represent us,
07:04 whether it is, you know, again we have so many champions right now that are doing the incredible
07:08 work, but also looking inward and seeing how do we represent ourselves. Are there folks within
07:13 our own ranks that we should be pulling through or building a bench that represent at every single
07:18 level, whether it is governmental or elected officials or it's in different industries,
07:24 we need representation and that's how we make sure that we have a greater impact. There's also so
07:29 many policies when it comes to gun violence prevention that we can uplift and work on from
07:33 community violence intervention and prevention and healing funding that is critical. These are
07:38 often front line in communities where the violence is taking place, where the shooting is happening,
07:43 where the trauma is living and they're right there doing the important work but often are
07:48 under-resourced. We want to make sure that we're addressing root causes of the violence. While we
07:52 can have policies that are good about making sure we're keeping folks safe when it comes to gun
07:59 safety, we want to also make sure that we're looking at all the intersections of the things
08:03 that get us in a position where black and brown communities are disproportionately impacted.
08:08 And I would be remiss if I didn't say we need to work on things that disarm hate. We know that
08:13 people that have been convicted of violent or threatening hate crimes shouldn't have a gun
08:18 and we want to make sure that we're checking all gun violence, including police gun violence. So
08:23 there's lots of things to be done and we are constantly looking for ways and listening
08:26 to communities about what they need so that we're building our strategies and walking alongside
08:32 folks doing the work so that we can actually get to the end that we want to see.
08:36 No, and I appreciate that. And just a quick follow-up there, you know, you named a lot of
08:41 really great things there, but for a lot of voters, sometimes they may feel overwhelmed about
08:46 where to start. So can you offer any advice there on how, what's a simple way that someone can get
08:52 involved in potentially helping to advocate for policy or doing a little door knocking or just
08:58 something simple where they could get started right now? Yeah, that's a great question. I get
09:02 that oftentimes I travel around the country and meet different folks. And even my, I'm a mother
09:07 of four and I have my two oldest, the twins are 22. And I often have these conversations with them.
09:13 It starts very local. It starts with your household. It starts with your block. It starts
09:18 with your community, your church, wherever you go, having those conversations and just talking
09:24 about what's at stake, what's happening, but not just talking about all the things that we know as
09:28 black community that are like impact us, that not just talking about, for instance, the gun violence
09:33 that are happening in neighborhoods around us or the fact that we have so many survivors of gun
09:38 violence in this country, but also what can we do about it? There is possibility to do something.
09:43 This is not an inevitability. This is not a natural disaster. This is something that we
09:48 actually can take steps to manage and measure and change. And so I think having those conversations
09:55 is really important. That's a very first step, because as you said, oftentimes people are pulled
09:59 into so many things in their day-to-day lives. And while this is something that impacts them and
10:04 that they're concerned about, they really have to prioritize where they put their energy. I think
10:08 just having a conversation, once you have that conversation, you might get a small group of folks
10:12 and say, Hey, what can we be doing in our neighborhood, our community, or how can we be
10:16 utilizing the resources that we have to make it different, to make really material impact and
10:23 change? Law and policy, very important. But we also need to figure out what are the day-to-day
10:28 things that are going to help people not just to survive, but to thrive. So I always say,
10:33 let's start with having those conversations with folks. You can always reach out to our
10:37 organizations, Moms Demand Action, Students Demand Action. There are others around that
10:40 are doing incredible work. But I think having that conversation first and getting people
10:44 in the habit of understanding that even when we see tough stuff going on around us, even when
10:50 it feels insurmountable, that if we put one foot in front of the other and we get a team of people
10:56 to do that, our neighbors, our community leaders, then we actually have momentum and power to make
11:02 some difference and make some change when it comes to this issue. Thank you, Angela. And Maui,
11:07 to bring you back into the conversation here, we're talking about gun violence. And when it
11:13 comes to policing, we know that policing and race were signature issues of the 2020 election
11:21 presidential campaign. And achieving police accountability on the federal level, however,
11:28 has been met with several obstacles. The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act was passed in March
11:35 of 2021 by the House, but it did not actually go through in the Senate. And President Biden
11:42 had an executive order on policing that he signed on the second anniversary of Floyd's
11:48 murder in 2022, but that has yet to be implemented. What kind of impact can these setbacks have on
11:56 voters and voter turnout? And what are some things that you think that we can do about that? Because
12:03 in some ways, we are hearing and seeing voters being despondent a bit about what their impact
12:11 really can be. Sure, sure. No, that's a great question. And what we as civil rights lawyers
12:19 here in the Deep South realize is that what we're experiencing in terms of police violence
12:26 in our communities, it's not localized. It's really a national issue that continues. And so often,
12:35 we want to really isolate that police violence is happening just in the South or just in the
12:42 rural areas, but it's happening in our cities, in our small towns, because really what this system
12:49 has said is that Black lives are really not valued, right? And that's why the organizing effort has to
12:59 continue to lift it up. One of the things that's been interesting is that we have one of what we
13:05 believe is probably one of the most horrific death cases involving police violence of Deacon
13:11 Johnny Holloman Sr., who was a deacon leaving a Bible study on his way to his wife and had a minor
13:20 traffic accident and was tased. Ultimately, he dies at the hands of an Atlanta police officer.
13:27 And the coverage has been different than the George Floyd and right after. It's almost as if
13:38 certain media outlets have put a wet blanket kind of on, like essentially America's had enough
13:45 of seeing Black bodies, because there's a video of seeing Black people tortured and killed at the
13:54 hands of police, but it continues to happen. So even though it's underreported by certain
14:00 media outlets, it doesn't mean that the numbers have in fact decreased. Here in Atlanta,
14:05 which has often been called the Black Mecca, we have right now excessive force cases at 100%
14:12 African-American. And Atlanta, even as the Black Mecca, is not a 100% African-American city.
14:22 And so it demonstrates that there is and remains a crisis of policing in our communities,
14:30 in communities of color, but in Black communities in particular. And our work is for our elected
14:38 officials to be held accountable, that they have to address how will you deal with the policing of
14:46 our communities and not allow police unions and other police interests to outweigh what we,
14:56 our lived experience. This is what we see. This is what we're dealing with. And it's real.
15:02 And so the organizing efforts, Southern Center for Human Rights has been incredible in their work
15:09 here in Atlanta and in the South to lift this up. Attorney Tiffany Williams Roberts has done
15:15 a tremendous job of highlighting that policing is still an issue. So as we attack
15:22 these individual cases, we also have to address the system, the system that says our lives are
15:30 valued less, that we can withstand more pain than other people, all kinds of misnomers that
15:39 put our young people at jeopardy on a daily basis as they drive, they walk, they go to school,
15:46 they shop. In all of those spaces, we are at risk. And so that's why our organizing has to remain
15:56 consistent and we have to keep pushing it up to the top of the agenda. And I agree. I think there
16:02 is some fatigue by Black folk as it relates to electoral politics that, what do we see tangible
16:10 that has changed as a result of our voting efforts? And so we also push forward the issue
16:19 of reparations and stirring that. This has been huge, right? Huge at both local,
16:25 some local municipalities, state, national, but because we're seeing stalling at the national,
16:32 at the federal level, how can we keep people engaged? And that burnout, that fatigue that's
16:38 happening, how can we continue to counter that? We encourage people to be in an organization.
16:44 Kwame Ture would say, "Organize, organize, organize." And I think that is our work,
16:49 that we're at a point that everyone has to be in an organization, period, right?
16:58 Just pick one or pick two, but be in an organization and not on the sidelines.
17:03 We don't have any time for just analysis and critiquing. We have to be engaged in taking
17:10 control of our own destiny, our own future, one that we imagine, one that we see, and not fall
17:18 into the idea that it's only what they say can happen, can happen. Whatever we want to happen,
17:26 can happen when we're organizing around it and addressing the issues. We have been getting out
17:32 organized for a long time. That's the reality of it. And there have been times that we have peaked
17:39 and we see, "Oh, wow, we can do this. We got Georgia. We were able to do this." So the question
17:45 for each of us, are we prepared to do more? Are we willing to overcome any of our differences
17:54 and find where we can be unified around certain things and do that work together?
17:59 - I'm hearing from both of you, consistency, collaboration, and also just the engagement
18:06 in the groups that do actually exist to help push efforts like this forward. So I think that
18:15 brings me to the last question I have here, which I will pose to both of you, which just has to do
18:22 with, we're talking about voting here and the issues that matter to our communities. When it
18:26 comes to these issues of policing, gun violence, as we talked about a little bit, youth involvement
18:33 and activism, is there any candidate that's currently on the ballot for president here in
18:40 this 2024 election that is being responsive to these issues that we continue to see, not only
18:47 in the polls, we don't just need the polls to tell us, we see it in our own communities that people
18:52 are truly concerned about? And Angela, I'll ask you to go first.
18:56 - Yes, absolutely. The first thing I'd like to say is that the election is just where it starts.
19:02 When we exercise our electoral power, that is just the beginning. I think sometimes that's not
19:07 communicated that way. People think that you vote and the person's in and everything's solved.
19:14 I think what Maloui said is absolutely right. We have to hold people accountable and organized.
19:19 We have to hold their feet to the fire for what we bring them in to represent us. So we have
19:25 the obligation and the power to make sure that we're holding people to account. And with that
19:30 being said, I think some of the few, there's so many people that are actually doing incredible
19:35 work all up and down the ballot. We'll start at the top. You mentioned presidential. The Biden
19:39 Harris administration, hands down, has been this strongest in history when it comes to gun
19:44 violence prevention efforts. They've done everything in their power and worked hand and hand
19:49 with us to make sure that they're passing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act that happened,
19:55 BISCA, we call that, that was a bipartisan effort that broke a 30-year, nearly 30-year log jam
20:02 at the federal level. But all down, they're doing everything from making sure funds get to
20:09 violence interruption groups on the ground. They're making sure that they're looking and
20:14 centering survivors and communities most impacted. So we've had a great time working with them and
20:20 there's so much more to be done. So we are going to do everything in our power to make sure that
20:24 they come back. We also do not want to roll back progress that we've made. We want to continue
20:28 moving forward and do so much more. I think around the country, there's so many people I'm looking at,
20:33 our very own representative, Lucy McBath, who was one of our Moms Man Action volunteers in Georgia,
20:40 who is absolutely incredible, has her own story, our son Jordan Davis, who we want to get back in
20:48 and is doing incredible, incredible work. We have Mayor Quentin Lucas in Kansas City. We have our
20:53 own volunteers who are stepping up and not just advocating for good policy, but now going and
20:58 running for office and winning and writing that good policy. So I think there's lots to look out
21:03 for, but at the end of the day, and this is what I tell my 22-year-olds because they are a prime,
21:08 and when they go, especially my son, who doesn't like a person or doesn't have exactly everything
21:13 that you are looking for and necessarily a candidate, there's two things I say.
21:16 Number one, we got to look broader and look at how this is going to have a bigger impact on so
21:22 many things, because if we're not showing up and making our voices heard by voting, even though we
21:27 may not always be the most excited, like my son is, you know, he's constantly thinking, like,
21:32 do I want to vote for this person or this person? It's like, you have to make your voice heard,
21:37 because if you don't, someone else will make decisions on your behalf. So that's one. We
21:41 don't want to roll back incredible, important progress that we've made. And I think if you
21:47 don't like what you're seeing, then we need to get up and we need to step up, and we can also
21:52 run for office, up and down, from school board all the way up to U.S. You're thinking about our
21:58 two chambers, U.S. government. We can run for office, or we can go to organizations, as was
22:06 said earlier, that are actually doing this important work. We cannot be on the sidelines,
22:10 and so there's so much that we can do, and we can drive and really drive that hope forward,
22:16 because there is, if we have a vision for the future and what we're looking for, and we walk
22:20 that walk and walk the path, doesn't mean it won't be hard, but we will continue to move forward,
22:24 and we will get to where we need to get to. Thank you for that. So get up, get out,
22:28 don't sit at the keyboard and complain. Actually get involved in what actually exists. I pose that
22:34 same question to you, Auli, as well, about is there any candidate that is speaking to these
22:41 issues right now that we are talking about that are so important to Black and brown communities?
22:47 I think there's a challenge, and I think the Democratic Party has a challenge, and that
22:55 there has to be... The perception is this. I have 24 and 26-year-old graduates of Howard University
23:05 and have voted, and their peer group, they're really on the fence about whether or not they're
23:14 even going to vote, right? And we are no longer in position to say, "Do it because of what your
23:22 ancestors sacrificed." They're just not hearing that as an appeal to vote. They want to see some
23:30 tangible results for Black people, and one of those that I think would be one of the clear...
23:39 A clear statement is an executive order around reparations, right? I think that the time has
23:46 come. I think there has to be some radical movement, and I don't think it's radical anymore.
23:51 I just think it's about really raising an issue that undergirds all of what we experience when
23:59 we look at what's happening in policing, when we look at what's happening as it relates to
24:05 our treatment in public health. All of that's undergirded by the fact that we have yet to reckon
24:12 with the vestiges of our enslavement, and Jim Crow, and this country's not really being honest
24:23 about our issues around racism, white supremacy, structural racism, institutional racism,
24:31 and those issues. And reparations allows us to really begin to frame that better,
24:38 and that needs to happen, and an executive order can be issued. The work Cam Howard has been doing
24:44 around this issue in terms of Earn the Vote, earntheblackvote.net, I'd encourage people to
24:51 take a look at that. The Democratic Party's going to have to do something different on a national
24:56 level in order to really engage young Black voters and a lot of Black people who are wondering,
25:04 what are we getting for our loyalty and allegiance? And so that's going to be a
25:11 challenge, but I think it's time. We've worked around this issue since I was a law student,
25:17 and that's been quite a while, and I think we're ready. I think the Democratic Party has to have
25:24 the courage to do something differently, and it can't be so evenly matched with other politics
25:32 that it's hard for us to really see and feel the difference. I know Angela has had great results
25:40 as it relates to this administration in the space that she's been working in, and I think that has
25:48 to be lifted up more as well, because these young people are getting most of their information from
25:53 social media, and they don't still feel the results that I thought we were all expecting
26:01 when this election in 2020. Yeah. I want to thank you both for joining me today and really sharing.
26:11 I know we only had a limited amount of time, but I think we got in quite a bit of information here,
26:16 especially with resources and organizations that our audience can go to to find out more
26:21 information, and as each of you said, to get involved. So I want to thank you both, Maui Davis,
26:27 Angela Farrell Zavala, for joining us this afternoon. Once again, everyone, my name is
26:31 Melissa Noel, News and Politics Editor at Essence. We celebrate Black History 365, but of course,
26:38 especially this month, we are spotlighting our honorees for our inaugural Black Futures Now
26:44 list and the work that they are doing, particularly in this important presidential election year.
26:50 Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you.
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