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00:20 and what's to be avoided.
00:22 I'm your host, Kelly Crichton,
00:23 and I'm joined today by National World TV
00:25 critic Benjamin Jackson,
00:27 and new to the podcast, Philip Cunnington,
00:29 another TV critic based in the Northwest
00:32 who has been writing about TV for quite a while now,
00:35 I think you'd say, Phil.
00:36 Welcome to the show.
00:37 - Hello, thank you for having me.
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01:00 each week we'll be chatting about what we are watching
01:02 as well as looking more closely at a new program
01:05 or something making the headlines on the deep dive.
01:08 This week, Benji is going to talk to us
01:10 about the BAFTA TV nominations.
01:13 Yes, award season is still going on.
01:16 It's still going on.
01:18 Finally, we go back to the future
01:19 to tell you about a program you may have missed
01:21 when it first aired or streamed.
01:23 And this week, Philip is going to talk to us
01:24 about The Last Kingdom.
01:27 But first, as always, we like to talk about
01:29 what everyone has been watching recently.
01:32 And Philip, it seems as you're new to the podcast,
01:34 why don't you tell us what your sort of favourite genres
01:37 of TV or film are, and then you can tell us
01:40 about what you've been watching more recently as well.
01:43 - Yeah, well, as you say,
01:46 I've been reviewing TV for quite a long time.
01:49 So I tend to watch pretty much everything,
01:52 although I'm not a huge fan of reality shows.
01:57 But I watch everything, drama, comedy, documentaries,
02:03 in history, I'm particularly interested
02:05 in history documentaries.
02:06 And yeah, I tend to watch a bit of everything, really.
02:12 - Yeah, you're a bit like me, so.
02:13 Do you watch The Soaps?
02:15 (laughing)
02:15 - Well, now you say it, that's the one thing I don't watch.
02:19 - I'm always like, everything plus The Soaps.
02:22 - Back in my youth, I used to watch Neighbours every week,
02:26 every day.
02:27 - Oh yeah, there you go, there you go.
02:28 At least you know what I'm talking about.
02:30 - Yeah.
02:30 - Cool, so tell us, what have you been watching recently then?
02:35 - Right, well, a bit of everything, really.
02:38 This week has been, well, the last two weeks,
02:40 it's been the new series of "Hunted" on Channel 4.
02:43 - Okay.
02:44 - This is where, sort of, this is the civilian version,
02:47 there is a celebrity version.
02:50 But pairs of mothers, daughters, friends,
02:53 sisters and brothers are sent out,
02:57 sort of, from a central point,
02:59 and they have to evade a group of hunters,
03:01 which, as far as I can make out, are mainly ex-coppers.
03:06 - Yeah.
03:06 - And it's all very, very serious.
03:08 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
03:09 They've got a control room and stuff, don't they?
03:11 - Yeah, in the, well, if the sort of B-roll
03:15 is to be believed in the gherkin in London.
03:17 - Oh, is it?
03:18 (laughing)
03:19 - I suspect it's in some awful hangar TV studio
03:22 in Middlesex.
03:23 - Yeah, probably, yeah, yeah,
03:24 in some horrible conference room, like in, yeah.
03:26 (laughing)
03:27 - So they have, they say at the beginning,
03:29 there's a disclaimer where,
03:31 'cause they're not allowed to use AMPR
03:33 or, you know, the CCTV system in reality.
03:36 - Okay.
03:37 - So some of that is simulated.
03:39 - Okay, oh, right, okay, right, okay.
03:41 Gonna have to suspend belief a little bit then, yeah.
03:43 - You do, you do, definitely.
03:45 But it is treated with the utmost seriousness with,
03:48 you know, the police in the control room
03:50 getting really quite frustrated by the huntees evading.
03:55 - Am I right in saying that, like,
03:58 do they get given, like, a cash budget
04:03 or is it just down to them to sort of evade them
04:06 without spending, without using their cards?
04:09 How does that all work?
04:10 - There is a topper limit, I think.
04:13 I'm not sure how much it is.
04:15 But obviously in this,
04:17 they can track the use of their cards and things.
04:20 So they try not to do it.
04:22 And they're allowed, as far as I can tell,
04:24 they're allowed to sort of set up their friends
04:27 so their friends know what they're doing
04:29 and they know they might call in.
04:31 So their friends sometimes have things that might help them
04:34 or will give them links to different places.
04:37 - Okay, interesting.
04:39 - But you do wonder how much it's constructed
04:41 because they leave, they're allowed to go into their homes.
04:46 The hunters are allowed to go into their homes.
04:49 - Okay.
04:50 - And sort of search them.
04:52 And they do find some very incriminating stuff
04:54 they've left behind.
04:56 You do wonder how much help they need.
04:57 - Like a postcard of my favorite holiday home.
05:00 And they're like, "They could be a holiday home."
05:02 - Well, that's pretty much what it is.
05:03 There's lists of contacts with telephone numbers
05:06 and things that they just leave behind.
05:07 - Oh God, like literally nobody has anymore
05:09 'cause it's all in their mobiles.
05:11 Yeah, okay.
05:11 - But having said that, you get kind of drawn into it.
05:16 - Of course you do, 'cause you start to like the characters,
05:18 don't you? - Yeah.
05:19 - Or dislike them, one or the other.
05:21 - Yeah, a bit of both, definitely.
05:22 And you want them to get away.
05:26 And it's one of those shows where you end up,
05:30 first of all, thinking, "I would never do that.
05:32 "You're being an idiot."
05:34 And then sort of screaming at the TV,
05:36 saying, "They're around the corner,
05:37 "they're around the corner."
05:38 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:39 - It does draw you in.
05:41 - I get you.
05:42 I always had that feeling about "The Apprentice."
05:43 For the first six years it was on, I was like,
05:46 "These people, oh my God.
05:49 "How can they get it so badly wrong?
05:51 "I should go on here and show them how it's done."
05:54 (laughing)
05:54 But sure, of course, then you realize
05:56 there's so much editing and all this.
05:58 They just set people up to look stupid.
06:00 - Yeah, "The Apprentice" definitely has a format now.
06:03 - Totally.
06:04 - Everyone looks appalling up until interview week,
06:07 and then suddenly they're the best people in the world.
06:09 Like, "Oh, Teresa."
06:11 - Cool, interesting, yeah.
06:12 As I said before we came on air,
06:14 I have, it's one of those programs that you see
06:17 on Gogglebox, 'cause it'll be something phenomenally stupid
06:21 or a really close call that they show the clip,
06:24 and it always looks really good and really exciting,
06:26 but then you have to remember it's on Gogglebox,
06:28 'cause that's the most exciting thing that happened
06:29 that week or whatever.
06:30 Okay, cool, thanks for that, Phil, thank you.
06:34 Right, Benji, we had a little week off last week,
06:38 and I, for some reason, didn't watch an awful lot of TV,
06:42 either, I don't know what was going on,
06:43 but yeah, tell us what you have been watching.
06:45 - Well, I mean, I needed a break from television,
06:48 which isn't productive considering the podcast
06:51 is called "Screen Babble,"
06:52 but I did still watch stuff on the screen.
06:55 - To be fair, I think we were going through
06:56 a little period of sadness after Stephen's departure,
06:59 so we were like, "I'm just gonna respect it
07:01 "by not watching TV too much."
07:02 - It was like I had mourners arriving,
07:05 wailing over my copy of "The Sopranos" that Stephen gave me.
07:10 It was a thing, it was a thing.
07:12 No, so--
07:13 - Oh, "Peepin' at the Reservoir Dogs" T-shirts.
07:16 - So I had an interesting conversation with my wife
07:19 about Ryan Gosling, because I think for a lot of people,
07:24 sometimes they think that Ryan Gosling, "La La Land,"
07:28 "Crazy Stupid Love," kind of falling into that
07:31 rom-com actor kind of trope,
07:33 but I decided to show Maeve a movie he made
07:37 when he was only 21 years of age called "The Believer,"
07:40 in which he played a Jewish person
07:43 that was actually a neo-Nazi that's coming to grips
07:45 with the whole idea of how can I be Jewish at the same time,
07:50 but I loathe kind of like these people,
07:54 and it's a very, considering that it was only
07:57 his third feature-length movie,
08:00 it was before he did "Murder by Numbers"
08:02 with Sandra Bullock that led to that whole
08:04 Sandra Bullock-Ryan Gosling relationship.
08:07 And it's just a testament that if people seem to think
08:10 that he's just a pretty boy, pretty good-looking face,
08:13 Canadian heartthrob, that no,
08:15 he really, really does have some acting chops.
08:18 And I know that people might argue that "Drive"
08:22 might have been the indicator
08:23 about more of his harder-edged stuff,
08:25 but I still think that a lot of people got thirsty
08:28 over "Drive" and kind of neglected-
08:31 - I mean, "Drive" was good,
08:32 but he's kind of got one sort of look in it, doesn't he?
08:35 It's not like an amazing acting performance.
08:39 Do you know what I mean?
08:40 He's not like, you don't see a gamut of-
08:43 - I don't know if I agree with that, though,
08:45 because his character predominantly is meant
08:47 to be the hard-boiled kind of detective/pulp fiction,
08:52 noir-ish character, so much like in Western films,
08:57 the cowboy, the gunslinger that walks into town
09:00 doesn't necessarily have to have a whole bunch of charisma.
09:03 The fact that he is the gunslinging cowboy is it?
09:06 So I kind of- - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:08 - But yeah, I really enjoyed that.
09:10 But then I also, just to have a little bit
09:12 of a cheer me up session, ended up re-watching,
09:15 for Stephen, "Gah! Meringue's Dark Place,"
09:18 because "Meringue" now has released two books
09:21 in the real world, so it was just nice to go back
09:24 and revisit just the absolute absurdity
09:26 of that Channel 4 series.
09:28 - I have a backlog of stuff to talk about
09:31 that I finished a couple of weeks ago
09:32 that we never got around to talking to on the last podcast.
09:35 But a couple of things I wanted to mention.
09:38 First was I watched this documentary.
09:40 You know me, I love a documentary
09:41 'cause it's kind of in and out in an hour and a half.
09:44 So it's called "Buried," the 1982 Meadows Alpine avalanche.
09:49 And it's about, as you guessed it, an avalanche in 1982
09:55 that took place at the Lake Tahoe Ski Resort in America.
09:59 And it's just your classic disaster recovery story,
10:04 but it's well put together.
10:10 And they have actually quite a good mix of,
10:13 there isn't a lot of video footage,
10:15 but there's quite a lot of stills.
10:16 So it's really well put together.
10:20 And there is quite a bit of video footage
10:21 in terms of interviews with people,
10:23 survivors, et cetera, afterwards.
10:26 So if you're looking for something sort of,
10:28 I would say interesting, and there is quite,
10:32 I mean, stuff happens in it you wouldn't expect, as it were,
10:37 that's worth a watch.
10:38 It's on Netflix.
10:39 And the other thing was I finished "The Way."
10:42 If you remember, that was like a three-part series
10:44 that was on drama, that was on ITV a few weeks ago.
10:48 And it's kind of this strange sort of disillusion
10:53 dystopian kind of future.
10:56 Well, it's set around now,
10:57 but like in an alternative world, I suppose,
11:00 where kind of something similar to "The Miner's Strike,"
11:05 but a modern version of that starts happening
11:06 in Port Talbot in Wales.
11:08 There's a steel factory that's gonna be closed down.
11:10 And next thing, there's this big sort of rebellion.
11:14 And next thing, the authorities kind of start coming down
11:16 on them, and then one particular family
11:19 is kind of held up as being the sort of ringleaders,
11:22 and they get chased out of town.
11:23 And next thing, they're shutting the borders,
11:25 and it turns into this sort of real dystopian world
11:30 for Welsh people.
11:32 But anyway, worth a watch.
11:34 And yeah, a couple of good actors in it as well
11:38 that you'll be familiar with,
11:39 Stephen Rodgerie, who was Dave Couch's in "Gavin and Stacey,"
11:43 and Callum Scott Howells, who played Colin in "It's a Sin,"
11:46 if you remember from a couple of years ago.
11:48 Right, that's it for me and us.
11:49 Come back in part two, where we'll be hearing
11:52 about the BAFTA nominations and "The Last Kingdom."
11:54 (upbeat music)
11:57 Benji, BAFTA TV nominations.
12:07 People always get confused about BAFTA, BAFTA,
12:09 and then BAFTA TV.
12:10 So we only got BAFTA TV last week.
12:12 We had BAFTA BAFTA, which is the film, about a month ago.
12:16 So BAFTA TV, our bread and butter really, isn't it?
12:19 And the other thing to say is,
12:21 the other confusing thing about this is,
12:23 their timeline is warped, isn't it?
12:26 Their timeline is a year up to the end of like October
12:29 or something last year.
12:30 It's weird.
12:32 It's delayed kind of.
12:34 So we've things like "Happy Valley" appearing,
12:36 which haven't been on the TV for a very long time.
12:39 Yeah.
12:40 - Yeah, I mean, it's gonna look like a situation
12:43 where some of the shows that have finished
12:45 may still get additional flowers by the end of it.
12:48 And you've mentioned,
12:50 you've mentioned "Happy Valley" of course,
12:52 which, alongside "Sheryl Lancashire"
12:55 is probably deemed as one of the favorites this year
12:58 to pick up a BAFTA TV award, along with "Succession" as well.
13:02 But I get the feeling, Kelly,
13:04 that much like with Stephen, yourself and me
13:07 during the Oscars and a little bit at the BAFTAs,
13:10 if you've looked at the nominations,
13:13 it seems like it could be quite a predictable one.
13:16 Yet again, there's nothing there that for me screams,
13:21 oh, is there gonna be perhaps a little bit
13:24 of a polarizing title or two within the categories.
13:28 I think the closest we're gonna get, for me anyway,
13:32 is looking at the international television selection,
13:36 which is "The Bear" on Disney+, "Beat" on Netflix,
13:39 "Class Act" on Netflix, "Death and Love" on ICBX.
13:43 And the two things that I think are gonna duke it out
13:45 on that one, "Succession," which has been a huge,
13:49 huge, huge success, I think.
13:52 Well, I was just putting it mildly, isn't it?
13:54 With Brian Cox also up for a Best Actor award.
13:57 But at the same time, "The Last of Us"
14:00 really did resonate with a lot of people,
14:03 especially that I know over here.
14:05 So could it be potentially-
14:07 - I feel like if you put your house in it,
14:09 it would need to be "Succession," wouldn't it?
14:11 - I don't know, 'cause I think that "Succession"
14:13 has gotten a lot of flowers, and I'm not disputing
14:16 the fact that it's a fantastic TV series anyway,
14:19 but it's already received so many flowers.
14:22 It would be nice to see "The Last of Us,"
14:24 especially with Bela Ramsey, who is up for the Best Actress
14:27 after TV award as well.
14:30 Part of me is wondering if there's gonna be
14:33 maybe an inclination towards maybe giving the nods
14:37 to more British productions rather than other productions.
14:42 - I wondered if "Succession" might have an advantage
14:44 'cause it's finished now, hasn't it?
14:46 - That's what I was about to say.
14:48 - They'll give them the awards
14:49 because it's a nice way to bow out sort of thing.
14:53 - We're expecting more from "The Last of Us," I'm sure.
14:56 - Yeah, I mean, there's possibly that aspect to it.
15:01 Would that be a form of tokenism, though?
15:03 Like, "Oh, let's just give it the flowers.
15:04 It's over and done with now,"
15:05 where if you were to say, "Give the award to 'The Last of Us,'
15:09 perhaps it's gonna propel people
15:11 that weren't interested at the beginning
15:13 the added feeling of when season two comes around,
15:16 oh, it got up after 'Wim,'
15:18 maybe it's worth checking out.
15:20 Ant & Dec, let's all be honest with each other
15:23 right here, right now.
15:24 They're gonna pick up
15:25 the Best Entertainer's Award once again, aren't they?
15:28 Definitely Ant & Dec picking up a television award
15:32 without question.
15:34 And yeah, I just think that it's,
15:38 I think that Steve Coogan being nominated
15:41 in Leading Actor for "The Reckoning,"
15:44 I don't know if it might end up shocking Brian Cox
15:48 or Dominic West seems to be enough a popular favorite
15:52 for that Leading Actor BAFTA TV Award.
15:54 Yeah, for "The Crown," but, you know,
15:57 he's up against Brian Cox.
16:00 He's up against Papa Esidu,
16:02 who is not the favorite to play Bond anymore
16:05 if there's anything to go by.
16:08 I just think it's gonna be more of the same.
16:12 It's gonna be the usual suspects,
16:14 but I don't think that's a knock on the BAFTAs
16:16 by any means, Kelly.
16:17 I think that's more of an indication
16:19 of just the quality of television
16:21 that we've been given two or three years in a row now.
16:24 So if you wanna bet your house on it,
16:27 "Succession," definitely.
16:29 And "Succession," "Happy Valley,"
16:30 if you wanna start up an accumulator
16:32 or something like that.
16:35 I kinda think so.
16:36 Like, I kinda think that's the way it's gonna be.
16:39 Phil, what you reckon?
16:40 Well, I think, again, "Happy Valley"
16:43 is probably the favorite because it's finished again.
16:46 So, but to be fair, it was really good.
16:50 Yeah.
16:51 I've not seen some of the other categories.
16:54 I think there's a comedy performance
16:55 that David Tennant's nominated in.
16:57 Yeah, for "Good Omens."
16:59 Yeah.
17:00 Fairly open, yeah.
17:00 It seems like a fairly open category.
17:04 It's funny that James Norton
17:05 didn't get the nomination for "Happy Valley," isn't it?
17:08 Because everybody was like swooning over him during that.
17:11 But I mean, it looks like a fairly robust category
17:14 this time, the leading actor category.
17:16 But yeah, just a lot of good stuff, isn't there?
17:20 And then it's funny because some of the categories
17:22 are kind of thin, like scripted comedy
17:24 and reality constructed and current affairs.
17:27 There's only like four programs shortlisted
17:31 in each of those.
17:31 I don't know what the criteria is.
17:33 I think they took at least one of the nominations
17:36 out of the soaps category as well.
17:37 I think there's only three nominations in the soap,
17:40 in the best soap category.
17:40 Yeah, Coronation Street's not up on it at all,
17:42 which I found a bit strange as well.
17:44 But anyway, look, yeah.
17:46 Who knows what goes on at BAFTA?
17:48 Certainly not us.
17:49 We try to, but we maybe don't in the long run.
17:52 Okay, well, that'd be interesting.
17:54 We can put a bet on Mr. Bates
17:56 versus the post office for next year.
17:58 For next year.
17:59 If we want to get ahead.
18:00 Absolutely, absolutely.
18:02 Okay, so when is it on?
18:04 So-
18:05 When are we going to find out?
18:05 That is going to be on BBC One and BBC iPlayer
18:09 on the 12th of May, 2024.
18:12 Right, moving along.
18:14 Phil, we are delighted for you to look after
18:18 Back to the Future for us this week.
18:20 And The Last Kingdom, which is Netflix, am I right?
18:24 Yes, it is now.
18:25 Netflix.
18:26 It's all five series and a film.
18:29 Oh, wow.
18:30 It brings everything together at the end.
18:32 And a film, yep.
18:34 Yeah, they're all on Netflix now.
18:36 Great, tell us about it.
18:38 Well, it started on BBC Two in 2015.
18:43 The first two series, in fact, were on BBC Two.
18:46 And then it didn't do hugely well with the ratings.
18:51 Okay.
18:52 But Netflix saw something in it and took it on.
18:54 So they took the first two series
18:58 onto their streaming platform,
18:59 but then funded the next three and the, let's say, a film.
19:01 Actually made them, oh, right, okay.
19:03 Yeah, so there is a difference, I think, anyway.
19:06 You can sort of see there's a slightly more
19:08 expensive look to it from series three.
19:11 Right.
19:12 So some of the battle scenes, for example,
19:14 in the first series,
19:15 there's sort of 40 people in a very tight shot.
19:18 In a field, yeah.
19:20 In a small field somewhere in the counties.
19:23 You can sort of tell that they've spent
19:25 a bit more money on it.
19:27 Do you think it needs it, yeah?
19:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah, to be bigger.
19:29 Needs a bit better sexing up.
19:31 To a degree.
19:34 Yeah.
19:34 I mean, "The Last Kingdom" is about,
19:37 it's sort of set in the ninth century,
19:40 around the time of Alfred the Great,
19:41 who features fairly prominently
19:44 in the first sort of two and a half, three series.
19:47 And they're based on a series of books
19:49 by the Bernard Cornwell, who wrote the Sharp novels,
19:52 which I think you talked about a few weeks ago,
19:55 at least the Sean Bean.
19:56 Oh, yes.
19:57 Adaptation.
19:58 Yes, yes, yes.
19:59 And it's based around a guy called Uhtred of Bebbanburg,
20:04 who goes by several names over the course of the series,
20:06 which does get slightly confusing.
20:09 Oh, no.
20:10 So he's a Saxon up in Northumbria,
20:14 who's taken hostage by raiding Danes,
20:17 and raised as a Viking.
20:18 And then for the rest of the series,
20:21 there's this sort of tension between his Saxon birth
20:26 and his Danish upbringing,
20:27 between Christianity and paganism,
20:30 between sort of a sense of duty to England
20:35 and his own ambitions for himself,
20:38 'cause he wants to get,
20:39 the overarching sort of ambition
20:41 is that he wants to get back to his rightful lands
20:43 and his castle in Bebbanburg,
20:45 which you never hear the end of.
20:48 But while it's sort of gritty and bloody,
20:56 and earthy, there's also a lot of humor in it.
21:00 There's some really good relationships
21:01 between the characters.
21:03 Right.
21:04 There's some terrific battle scenes,
21:07 but there's also over the course of the five series,
21:11 they really work hard to sort of build up
21:13 the relationships between the characters.
21:16 Okay.
21:16 To make the characters someone that you care about.
21:18 So.
21:19 I get you.
21:20 It's not sort of games of throney
21:22 and you don't know who's going to die and who isn't.
21:24 But you do care about these characters
21:29 and there are a few that,
21:31 I'm not gonna give too many spoilers away,
21:33 but there are a few who sort of meet an end that,
21:35 it leaves you with something in your eye.
21:39 Oh, yes.
21:40 It's a tribute to it.
21:42 Yes.
21:43 You're obviously connecting with the characters.
21:44 Yeah.
21:45 Okay.
21:46 And I mean, it doesn't hurt that
21:47 he's quite a handsome young man, isn't there?
21:49 I'm sure there's plenty of romantic going on.
21:50 And it's like that.
21:52 You get to realize the Vikings generally
21:55 all look like they're baristas from the back.
21:58 (laughing)
21:59 They sort of,
22:00 nicely trimmed goatee beards and long hair.
22:03 I'm always trying to remember what it was,
22:05 we agreed on this before, Benji,
22:06 traditionally good looking.
22:09 Was that what we did?
22:10 Is that what the phrase we used?
22:11 Conventionally. Conventionally good looking.
22:14 Conventionally.
22:15 Conventionally good looking is the way we put it, isn't it?
22:17 Oh yeah, yeah.
22:19 They can sort of load them with mud and earth,
22:22 but they've all got very nice teeth.
22:24 Oh yes, thank God.
22:25 'Cause we wouldn't want to look at those foul teeth, yeah.
22:28 And all the Danes are called Guthremunds,
22:31 or the variations on Sigurd.
22:32 And all the Saxons are clean shaven
22:36 and called Ethel something,
22:37 Ethelred, Ethelwald, Ethelfled.
22:39 I've, you know, I have to say,
22:41 and I've not watched a ton of anything with,
22:44 well, I've watched quite a few TV programs
22:46 that have a Scandinavian influence or are Scandinavian.
22:49 And usually it's for the better, you know what I mean?
22:51 Usually they add something.
22:52 And so how many series and is it finished?
22:56 And yeah, sort of what was your overall take on it?
23:00 So there's five series.
23:02 The first two have eight episodes each.
23:04 The last three have 10.
23:06 So there's 46 episodes in total.
23:10 And then there's the film at the end,
23:12 which is called "Seven Kings Must Die,"
23:15 which wraps everything up.
23:18 Yeah, nice.
23:19 Yeah.
23:20 That's brilliant.
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