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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Ali Muhammad Khan PT
- Mehtab Haider (Economist Analyst)
"Humein Waqt Say Phele Bolna Hoga...", Javed Latif Told Everything
Tahaffuz Aen Pakistan Tehreek Ke Maqasid Kya Hain, Mafahmat Ya Muzahmat Konsi Siyasat Hogi ?
" Mehengai Mein Izafay Ke Nateejay Mein Gurbat Aur Be Rozgari Barhay Gi "
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Maria Memon
Guests:
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Ali Muhammad Khan PT
- Mehtab Haider (Economist Analyst)
"Humein Waqt Say Phele Bolna Hoga...", Javed Latif Told Everything
Tahaffuz Aen Pakistan Tehreek Ke Maqasid Kya Hain, Mafahmat Ya Muzahmat Konsi Siyasat Hogi ?
" Mehengai Mein Izafay Ke Nateejay Mein Gurbat Aur Be Rozgari Barhay Gi "
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00:28 but how will this movement continue and to achieve its political objectives, how will they carry it forward?
00:36 We will ask these questions in the second part of the programme.
00:39 At last, Pakistan has become the most expensive country in Asia and this is the new report by ADP.
00:46 And the economist is not that confident.
00:49 We will talk about this in the last semester of the programme, but let's start.
00:51 Nawaz Sharif is the one who is going to end his silence.
00:54 And he is claiming that he is the senior journalist Salman Ghani, who met Nawaz Sharif a few days ago.
01:02 What does his story say?
01:04 According to senior journalist and critic Salman Ghani, Nawaz Sharif's silence on political issues is the result of his special wisdom.
01:11 Nawaz Sharif wants that the government should not be troubled by his emotions, feelings and statements.
01:16 But this does not mean that he has taken a separate approach from government and political matters.
01:22 It is reported that in the coming days, Nawaz Sharif can again lead the Muslim League.
01:27 Because despite being the president of Shabaz Sharif's party, the party's leaders consider Nawaz Sharif as their leader and president.
01:35 According to Salman Ghani's analysis, Nawaz Sharif is not ready to forget the 2017 defeat.
01:40 That is why he asks why he made a running government in 2017.
01:46 Nawaz Sharif thinks that all the traps and traps have been opened.
01:52 Therefore, if the Supreme Court is going to end the case on the orders of the judges, then we will also be a team.
01:58 For the freedom of justice in Pakistan, it is necessary that the judge's order should not be the basis and should not be based on a full court.
02:07 In order to solve the problem, the statement of the former judge of Islamabad High Court, Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui can be made valid.
02:16 According to other senior journalists who met Nawaz Sharif, he says that what is the activity that he should meet the public based on.
02:26 When Nawaz Sharif was asked about the government, he said that it is a closed government and we are a nozzle.
02:33 But he said that he has already made all the arrangements and he knew that he is not the Prime Minister.
02:39 Nawaz Sharif thinks that the government has many challenges, especially to reduce the cost of electricity and gas.
02:47 If he does not work on these, then there will be a severe reaction.
02:51 When asked about Shahid Khan Abbasi, Nawaz Sharif said that he has a good relationship with him.
02:58 According to the statement, Nawaz Sharif has written the name of Shahid Khan Abbasi in this list, from whom he has to go to Murree and meet.
03:08 Before this, we tell you that Shahid Khan Abbasi has already announced to form a new Jamaat.
03:13 Those who have met Nawaz Sharif, they say that they think that if they still contact Shahid Khan Abbasi, then maybe they will come back to the party.
03:22 In the first part, we have with us Mr. Mian Javed Latif.
03:28 Mr. Mian Javed Latif is one of those people who have been talking about these thoughts for a long time.
03:37 But it seems that now he is becoming more active.
03:41 People in the Jamaat are carrying his thoughts.
03:44 Mr. Javed Latif, the first important question is a very simple question.
03:47 It would be better if the director answers it.
03:49 There are 6 judges' letters. Is PMLN going to become a party? Is this correct as reported?
03:55 Yes, the majority of the people in the Maria Party think that we should become a party.
04:04 There are many reasons for this.
04:06 One of the reasons is that you will start from somewhere.
04:10 You cannot take the letter of 6 judges and give a verdict on it.
04:19 And 5 judges whose decisions have destroyed the country, whose decisions have destroyed the economy of Pakistan, whose decisions have not only harmed the Jamaat but also harmed the state.
04:29 So why don't you start from there with their decisions?
04:32 And the fact is that if you look at the two walls, whether it is from 2013 to 2017 or 2018 to 2024, the two walls have been ruled by two different Jamaats.
04:45 And these same characters have made the same decisions in the last 4 years or the last 5 years.
04:52 And the people who used to come under pressure and make decisions, all those characters…
05:00 So Javed Ladhi Sahib, this is the same opinion of yours and Imran Khan's Jamaat.
05:07 Tariq Insaaf is saying this, Nawaz Sharif is also saying this. This is a common ground in both your Jamaats.
05:13 Look, Maria, we should not look at who is saying what. We should look at what is being said.
05:23 You can connect me to someone or remove me from someone, that is a different matter.
05:30 But the point is that if you want to investigate, then you will not be able to do justice, then you will not be able to break anything, then you will not have a firm intention to move Pakistan forward.
05:50 Javed Ladhi Sahib, when I said that Tariq Insaaf has similar opinions, PMLN is also saying this,
05:56 then I am saying that the two major Jamaats of this country have the same opinion on the two walls.
06:03 Have you prepared for the legal challenge you have thought of, or have you made a decision now, or have you done the legal homework, or do you just want to fix the cornerstone?
06:15 No, Maria, work is being done on this, and because the decision will be made by the leader of the party, Nawaz Sharif,
06:24 but the majority of the party is forcing the party leadership to become a party to become a party.
06:34 Because the leadership is a little hesitant, so that no one says that maybe we want to take advantage of our own,
06:47 like the last few days we were called Ladla and today we are seeing someone else, so we do not want to hear this, we want the direction of Pakistan, the direction to be at least correct.
06:59 So Javed Sahib, what you said that a very large number of people in your party think that the party should be formed, does Shabaz Sharif also think the same?
07:06 He is also among those people who are telling Nawaz Sharif that we should form a party?
07:10 Look, Maria, everyone has their own opinion, it is a big party, and what you just said that Nawaz Sharif is going to become president or is going to take over the leadership of the party,
07:25 the leadership was already with him, yes, the party office is from all the workers of the party to Shabaz Sharif,
07:34 everyone has a consensus that Nawaz Sharif should take over the leadership of the party so that we can organize the community from this crisis.
07:48 But Javed Sahib, my question was a little different, you said that the community has a very clear opinion that the party should be formed,
07:55 does the Prime Minister of Pakistan, Shabaz Sharif also agree with this opinion of Nawaz Sharif?
08:00 Look, when this final decision will be made, then they will definitely take this opinion.
08:06 What is their opinion? I mean, the decision has been made, what is your opinion?
08:10 Look, I am Maria, now how can I sit here and know their opinion?
08:18 They will give their own opinion when the party will consult with them.
08:22 So, they will definitely give their opinion.
08:25 But I told you that I heard the majority of the party that everyone thinks,
08:32 in fact, you can say that 95% of the people think that we should form a party.
08:40 When the leadership will decide, then definitely the President of the Muslim League, Shabaz Sharif will also take his opinion.
08:48 Okay, when the current government, when this matter came to Shabaz Sharif,
08:55 then the press conference that was held, Mr. Javed Latif, he said that all the six judges who are accusing,
09:02 he called them baseless.
09:04 And there was also an objection that the law minister, the government gave its mind,
09:08 they are denying these accusations.
09:10 So, they do not think that there is any life in these accusations.
09:13 The government's position was very clear, they said that they do not agree with the accusations of the judges.
09:18 Maria, because this is a case that is being discussed in the Supreme Court,
09:34 I will definitely say this without talking too much about it,
09:38 that because you are talking about the press conference,
09:43 we have the same opinion, but despite this, some people demanded this,
09:51 so why should we be a hindrance in it?
09:53 We say that this should be a matter of milk and water.
09:58 Sir, one second, I am not getting a little clarity.
10:01 You will remember this.
10:02 I am not getting clarity because you said that when the party will ask for Shabaz Sharif's opinion,
10:07 then his government will give his opinion that these accusations are baseless.
10:11 Nawaz Sharif is saying that all these investigations should be done.
10:14 So, when he will give his opinion, he will give the same opinion that he gave in the press conference,
10:17 which was given by the law minister.
10:19 No, Maria, one second, one second.
10:22 You are talking about the letter of 6 judges.
10:26 Yes, yes, yes, you are talking about becoming a part of it.
10:28 We are talking about becoming a part of it, about the 5 judges whose names we have been taking,
10:33 because this notice itself was made after that, after that press conference,
10:38 and only after that we have thought of becoming a part of it.
10:42 Before that, this was not the case.
10:44 And you see that when in 2008-09, when the president was Asif Ali Zardari,
10:54 he requested a reference of Zulafqar Ali Bhutto from the Supreme Court.
11:02 So, in my personal opinion, the present government should also become a part of it,
11:11 as prime minister should also become a part of it,
11:14 so that the decisions that were made in the last session,
11:21 which led to economic downfall, which led to inflation, which led to the unexpected collapse of Pakistan,
11:27 which led to terrorism in Pakistan again,
11:32 which led to the removal of a prime minister from his post,
11:37 to fulfil someone's wish.
11:40 So, all those decisions should be discussed in the notice itself,
11:47 so that no one can remove a person who has a two-thirds majority from the post of prime minister.
11:54 You are absolutely right. I was just saying that I could see a difference in their thinking,
11:58 but you said that they should also become a part of it.
12:00 Another important question, when they become a part of it or not, your Jamaat will decide.
12:04 But there is a judgment of the Faizabad protest case.
12:06 The present Chief Justice can talk about the implementation of the case directly,
12:12 and in the present government, Mr. Shahbaz will have to focus on its implementation.
12:18 This can also be a test case, where the first step is to talk about the correctness of the decisions.
12:24 You are absolutely right.
12:28 The reference file that was filed on the judgment of the Faizabad protest,
12:34 who said it and who got it filed,
12:40 both of them should be brought to the court.
12:43 And you should not forget that Justice Seth Waqar, who gave a judgment on the case of Amar,
12:53 and he was told, the government at that time said that his mental balance should be checked.
12:59 The words used so far should also be seen.
13:03 Then it should also be seen that the Supreme Court has already given a judgment on Justice Shaukat Siddiqui.
13:10 Then those people should also be brought to the court.
13:14 I am saying that you should also become a freak.
13:16 I am also saying that the present government should also become a freak.
13:19 It is absolutely right.
13:20 What you are saying is very clear.
13:22 But when you are talking, it does not seem that your government is in the Vifak and Punjab.
13:26 It seems that the government is not yours, you are demanding from the present sitting government.
13:30 Sir, it is your party's government.
13:32 So, should we do it or not?
13:34 We will ask you that when will it happen, is there a timeline?
13:37 We have to ask you this question.
13:40 No, Maria, listen to me.
13:43 If you say this, then these things should remain in your mind that can you punish the accused of 9-10 May?
13:54 11 months have passed.
13:56 There was also an interim setup in that.
13:58 The present government has been there for a month.
14:00 So, why should the implementation be on it for 10 months?
14:03 Look, the state is asking for justice from the courts that why have you made the attackers your beloved?
14:12 Now, you are not seeing that you punish in the case of the interim setup.
14:17 You punish on the cipher.
14:21 You punish three times in a week.
14:23 You can immediately impose the punishments after the election.
14:29 Then why can't you punish the accused of 9-10 May in 11 months?
14:34 Or should we say that they are innocent?
14:36 Should we leave them?
14:37 Sir, you should have an idea.
14:41 Sir, the government, you are saying that it has to be a team.
14:44 Your government can be a team.
14:46 You have to implement the Faizabad protest.
14:49 You may not do it now, but you can show your intent to implement it.
14:54 Neither of them has been done yet.
14:56 It seems that you are sitting in opposition.
14:59 Maria, one second.
15:01 Maria, look, in political parties, point scoring is done.
15:08 Keep it aside.
15:10 I am going to request you today.
15:13 I am going to request you that look,
15:16 a Supreme Court has taken a notice today
15:20 on writing a letter to 6 people in its own court.
15:25 So I am requesting that the judges of the last 5 courts
15:31 whose decisions have harmed the state,
15:35 they should also be told on whose pressure they took those decisions.
15:39 The 6 judges who are saying that we have pressure,
15:44 on which cases there is pressure and who is putting pressure,
15:47 all these things should be revealed
15:51 so that there is no need for a Shaukat Siddiqui again.
15:55 So that there is no need for a Faizabad protest again
15:58 and so that there is no need for a reference against it.
16:00 So that there is no need for a Prime Minister
16:03 who has a double standard,
16:05 to be taken away from his son.
16:07 So that there is no need for a refusal
16:10 to fulfill his wish.
16:13 So Javed Latif, do you think that after Eid,
16:15 will Dawahshree be more vocal?
16:17 Will we see that he is doing press conferences,
16:19 media interactions, giving political statements.
16:22 He also talked to the journalists publicly,
16:24 and a report was made.
16:26 Will we see him more active in the media?
16:28 Because he just said that my statements can cause problems for the government.
16:31 Look Maria, the thing is that it is not a government issue,
16:37 it is a state issue.
16:39 There are many secrets in the heart,
16:43 but they are not saying it
16:46 so that the state does not suffer.
16:49 Many things are not being said
16:52 so that the troubled nation
16:55 does not get more pressure.
16:59 But there are some people who say
17:03 what is acceptable, even if it is false.
17:06 They are saying it.
17:08 But we are a responsible community.
17:12 This is my Pakistan.
17:14 This is my nation.
17:16 We are not saying that.
17:18 But if our sacrifice
17:21 and the unacceptable decisions we have made for the state,
17:24 do not benefit the state,
17:27 then I will have to talk.
17:30 And the time is coming
17:32 when I should talk.
17:35 And I have been saying this for a long time.
17:37 But the time has come very soon, Javed Latif.
17:39 You have just become a government in 3-4 months.
17:42 The time has come very soon for you to talk.
17:45 The reason for the time to come soon is
17:49 that the passion with which we thought
17:53 that we will improve the economy,
17:56 even if we have given up.
17:59 But the way our passion is being taken
18:03 or the way you are seeing the environment,
18:07 then we will have to talk before time.
18:10 What is the environment that you are worried about?
18:16 Look, there are two or three things.
18:19 I said that the path of Nawaz Sharif has been blocked.
18:24 I said that he has been deceived.
18:29 I said that the elections of Pakistan have been picked and chosen.
18:35 I said this.
18:37 So today you see that the beneficiaries,
18:41 not a majority of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
18:45 where the clean sweep has been done,
18:49 what is the government saying?
18:54 And today you have heard the conversation in Balochistan.
18:59 After that, I will not open my mouth.
19:02 So all four branches of Pakistan are gathered under the center.
19:08 The problem is that the beneficiary is Shabaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz.
19:14 There is a CM ship in Punjab.
19:17 Listen, if you consider Shabaz Sharif as a beneficiary,
19:25 then I will say this first.
19:28 We did not want to form a government in any way.
19:33 We had answered.
19:35 The next day, the leadership of the PTI and the leadership of the People's Party said that
19:41 we do not want to form a government.
19:44 We had to negotiate with the financial institutions of Pakistan.
19:50 We saw the challenges and we put this funda in our neck.
19:56 In Punjab, there is a government.
19:58 In the whole province, there is a CM, Maryam Bibi.
20:01 She is also a little beneficiary.
20:03 If you are in Punjab,
20:05 we did not want to form a government in the center because we did not have a simple majority.
20:12 And as and when we had a clear majority in Punjab,
20:17 then why did we not form a government while there was a clear majority?
20:21 Tell us this too.
20:22 Thank you very much.
20:23 Javed Latif was with us.
20:27 Ali Muhammad Khan will be with us.
20:29 This movement has started.
20:30 How will we take it to the logical conclusion?
20:32 What are the actionable steps?
20:34 We will talk to you on the break.
20:36 Welcome back.
20:41 The foundation of a grand alliance against the government has been laid.
20:46 Today, the first gatherings have been held in that regard.
20:49 The movement is called the 'Tafuz-e-Ayn-e-Pakistan'.
20:53 We see that we are leading it.
20:55 Mr. Achak Zahi, Mr. Mingle are also a part of it.
20:58 Can we see Maulana Fazlur Rahman in the near future?
21:03 The Pashtun Family Awami Party, the Pashtun Unity Council, the Islamic Community, BNP,
21:08 Tariq-e-Insaf, all these people are present in this united movement.
21:13 The speeches are obviously being held around the mandate.
21:16 These are the reservations of Maulana Fazlur Rahman.
21:19 Apart from this, will the movement continue to grow in the midst of the conflicts?
21:28 There are many such questions that Ali Muhammad Khan Sahib will try to answer.
21:31 Thank you Ali Muhammad Khan Sahib for joining us.
21:33 The first question is that we have seen that six communities are initially a part of this grand alliance.
21:39 Is there a possibility of more communities joining this?
21:42 Thank you very much.
21:45 In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate.
21:46 May Allah bless us all.
21:49 First of all, happy Eid to you and your viewers.
21:53 After Eid, the core committee and the party mentioned that after Eid,
22:03 our protest campaign, which includes Jalsas and Jaloos,
22:07 and outside the parliament,
22:09 will be intensified to demand the release of Imran Khan and the detainees and the return of the mandate.
22:15 You saw a series of this in Pesheen today.
22:18 Can some other communities join this?
22:21 Of course they can.
22:22 They will come to this one point of ours.
22:24 The return of the mandate and to act 100% in accordance with the constitution.
22:30 I think that all the communities who want to come with us should come.
22:34 But there is one community right now, Maulana Fazlur Rahman's community.
22:36 They have objections. They say that they want to withdraw their mandate.
22:39 PMLN has reservations.
22:40 But the government has been shut down.
22:42 People's Party is silent.
22:43 So this is JYF.
22:44 Have you had any contact with them?
22:46 Have you spoken to them?
22:47 Is it possible for them to join?
22:49 Or are you thinking of reaching out to them?
22:52 Look, we have met them a couple of times.
22:57 We have had some members.
22:59 Maulana Sahib himself complains about the Dhanji.
23:03 But his point is that Khair-e-Pakhtun are the people.
23:07 And what Dhanli we do, what facilitation we have.
23:11 Because the seats where they claim, Jyf has won from there.
23:15 Despite that, we say that if Maulana Sahib wants to join the issue of Dhanli with Jyf,
23:21 then we welcome him.
23:23 But one question will still remain in its place.
23:26 And that is that Jyf, in the same condition we are in today,
23:29 and in the same condition we were in,
23:31 on 4th February, the way we were in the leader's jail,
23:34 and all the things are in front of you,
23:36 the way everything was against us,
23:38 in the jails, the police, the police, breaking homes,
23:41 picking up people, taking documents from women,
23:45 and then by Form 39, giving the winning seats to the people.
23:49 I don't think we were in a position to manage not just one seat,
23:52 but even one polling station.
23:55 But still we say that Maulana Fazl-e-Rehman Sahib wants to come with us on the issue of Dhanli.
24:00 If his issue is genuine, then our stage is available for him.
24:04 So what was the discussion about the leadership that you had?
24:09 And is there a consensus or middle ground between the two parties?
24:14 Or was it a formal meeting?
24:16 Can't the matter be further advanced?
24:18 Look, there was a meeting in the beginning,
24:21 in which Asad Qaisar Sahib, who was not political,
24:24 his close relative passed away.
24:26 It's been about 4-5 months since he passed away.
24:30 That was a prayer.
24:32 After that, there was some political engagement
24:35 between Asad Qaisar Sahib and our other leadership, Maulana Sahib,
24:39 on the issue of Dhanli.
24:41 So the issue of Dhanli is such that there can be a common ground between us.
24:45 But there was a development,
24:48 which again brought a little distance,
24:52 that on one hand, Maulana Sahib is complaining about Dhanli,
24:58 but on the other hand, the election of Islamabad in the Senate,
25:02 his most respected member, Ghafoor Hajri Sahib,
25:05 was sitting on the government benches.
25:08 Maybe he voted for the government.
25:12 So those are the things that we think,
25:14 if he wants to sit in the opposition and strongly support a movement,
25:18 then he will have to get rid of such adjustments.
25:22 So that there is a strong stance on the issue of Dhanli.
25:25 And what do we want?
25:27 We want the one who has the mandate to be given.
25:29 Whoever wins from where, should be given the mandate.
25:31 So, there are different ways of doing it, right?
25:34 First, you are fighting in court,
25:36 then you are present in the parliament,
25:38 now you have started Jalsas.
25:40 What is the strategy? Is it a talk-talk fight?
25:42 There will be disagreement, then there will be disagreement,
25:44 then there will be disagreement,
25:46 or there are no ways of understanding.
25:49 Or maybe your voter, who has voted for you,
25:52 he does not want to talk about understanding at this time.
25:56 No, who can deny improving the situation?
25:59 But it will depend on what conditions and what things.
26:02 Imran Khan Sahib himself, who spoke before Eid,
26:06 he had a very strong stance.
26:08 And he spoke about the issues he raised.
26:12 Yes, he increased the pressure, Ali Sahib.
26:14 He put his foot on the gas.
26:17 So, is this the policy that full throttle,
26:19 this will be a heads-on engagement?
26:23 But Khan Sahib gave a clear stance in this.
26:27 I have spoken in the past,
26:29 and I am ready to talk to anyone for Pakistan.
26:32 But what will be the principle in that?
26:34 Will the return of our mandate,
26:36 the release of Imran Khan Sahib and the prisoners,
26:38 and the way people have been mistreated on the pretext of 9th May,
26:41 will there be any justification for that?
26:44 Or will we be given space?
26:46 If there is an expectation that only Imran Khan Sahib will be given space,
26:49 then that is something that will not work.
26:51 We will put political pressure.
26:53 Our mandate has been stolen,
26:55 our leader has been put in jail,
26:57 the RD party has been broken.
26:59 At such times, we cannot sit comfortably in the parliament.
27:02 But that does not mean that the political community does not want to talk.
27:05 They want to talk, but the issues must be brought forward.
27:08 But the political opponents say that no one wants to talk to you.
27:11 That is, there is no contact, no one is talking to you.
27:14 This is why you have this strategy.
27:17 What will you say to this allegation?
27:20 Look, I don't think you can ignore a community
27:23 that has a two-third mandate,
27:25 whose leader is the biggest leader in this country.
27:28 And apart from that, you have no other solution.
27:31 Look, if there is no public mandate behind any government,
27:34 the public has not given you a vote,
27:36 and you have been put in government.
27:38 Can you run the country?
27:40 Can you make strong decisions for the country?
27:42 The nation is not behind.
27:44 What will the government do if the nation is not behind the government?
27:47 So are you in contact with him?
27:49 Are you in contact with him or not?
27:51 Tell me once on record. Do you have contact?
27:54 Look, I have no opinion about whether or not I have any contact with Imran Khan.
27:58 Because when I met Imran Khan, he did not say anything like this.
28:03 And there was no such thing in the committee about this matter
28:06 that who met Imran Khan.
28:08 If he has met him, he is a big leader,
28:10 it is possible that he has met him, but I don't have that knowledge.
28:13 Okay, the situation is that June and July are coming up.
28:16 If you look at the history of Pakistan's politics,
28:20 then the movements do not run in the summer season.
28:22 This is a very basic, practical thing.
28:24 So do you think that in the next two to three months,
28:27 the way you want to launch this movement,
28:29 the weather, the situation, will all be consistent?
28:32 Or will it catch up with you at the end of the year?
28:37 Look, we are not going to take a million people and launch it in Islamabad.
28:42 We want to do a peaceful political movement,
28:44 in which Jalsa Jaloos is a very big part of it.
28:47 And you may know that we have held very big Jalsas of our history,
28:52 we have held big Jalsas on Minar-e-Pakistan or other places.
28:56 They are held at night.
28:58 In the summer season, the atmosphere of the festival is the same at night.
29:01 Everyone is awake.
29:02 So, God willing, I don't think that the weather will have such a big factor
29:07 that it will be a matter of not being able to do our activities.
29:10 Yes, there is a problem when you are in a long march
29:13 and you have to march all day.
29:16 I don't think that right now is the stage that we have to do a long march.
29:19 But you can do Jalsa, Jaloos, you can protest,
29:22 you can do your activities, you can do seminars,
29:26 you can do small and big corona meetings.
29:29 So, what are the political effects of this, Ali Sahib?
29:32 Because there was a protest in 2014.
29:34 Yes, there was a protest in 2014, it was a very big protest.
29:38 As a result, the kind of demands you wanted to make,
29:41 you were not able to make your political demands.
29:44 So, you think that by running such a movement,
29:46 you will be able to make your political demands.
29:49 In terms of pressure, it is fine,
29:51 it is visible that this can be a strategy.
29:54 But rolling back the mandate,
29:56 how will you achieve these goals with the return of Khan Sahib?
30:02 When we have gone out in public twice,
30:06 there has been a way forward.
30:09 What was the result of that? That is another issue.
30:12 In 2014, we went out to protest, we marched,
30:15 and sat for 129 days.
30:17 And after that, the Judicial Inquiry Commission was formed in the Supreme Court.
30:21 What was the result of that?
30:23 Did we get our mandate back? That is another issue.
30:25 We can discuss that, but there was a way forward.
30:28 When Panama was issued, we marched in Raiwind.
30:31 We held a big rally in Raiwind, one of the biggest rallies in Pakistan's history.
30:35 The whole of Punjab, Nawab-e-Faqtad-e-Fasin, people from Rojasthan, Kashmir,
30:40 after that, there was a development,
30:42 Mian Sahib's government broke down,
30:44 Mian Sahib had to go, and Shah Afzal Khan Sahib replaced him.
30:48 So, a big political movement's result is achieved.
30:52 Now, if a Judicial Inquiry Commission is formed,
30:54 I had put a stand before the Court Committee,
30:57 and now, in our next meeting, I will repeat this again.
31:02 I personally think that we should go to the Supreme Court in 184.3,
31:07 we should request the Supreme Court.
31:09 So, you have a mandate, so why don't you request?
31:13 As of today, Nawaz Sharif is thinking of becoming a team with those six judges.
31:20 This is their political and legal strategy.
31:23 Whether they do it or not, we will see.
31:25 But they are thinking about it.
31:27 The Judicial Inquiry Commission is saying that it should happen,
31:29 but will you take any actionable steps for it?
31:32 Or are you still thinking about it?
31:34 Look, the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
31:36 we said on the first day that the Supreme Court should take a so-moto notice.
31:40 It was not taken on the basis of this very big mandate.
31:43 That's why we should go to the Supreme Court in 184.3,
31:46 and request them to take a so-moto notice on such a big fraud in Pakistan's history.
31:52 Because when Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib, the Chief Justice, was getting this election done,
31:57 and the courts were opened at night,
31:59 I remember the famous words of Qazi Sahib,
32:01 in which he said that this is a stone on a line,
32:03 this election will be on 8th February.
32:05 My question is, was it necessary to get the election done,
32:08 or should it have been clear?
32:10 If it was clear, then the election commission did not accept the Supreme Court's order in the letter and spirit.
32:17 That's why there should be a so-moto notice on it,
32:20 and a judicial inquiry should be conducted on this election.
32:22 So, what you are saying, that it should be done,
32:24 is a clear statement,
32:25 but what do you think, will the Justice Movement go?
32:27 Is there any serious thought about it?
32:29 You have such a big legal team,
32:31 you have many MNAs, senators,
32:35 are you going to the Supreme Court legally or not?
32:39 I think we will have to go,
32:41 because we have already filed petitions,
32:43 we have gone to the tribunals,
32:45 and in many cases, the petitions have already gone to the Supreme Court.
32:50 But, a so-moto notice, 184.3,
32:53 in which the Supreme Court sits in an inquisitorial form,
32:57 and investigates,
32:58 I am saying that there should be a big investigation of theft,
33:03 and not a small one.
33:04 The entire election has been stolen.
33:06 Right, thank you very much.
33:07 Our Sadali Muhammad Khan was present,
33:08 Pakistan Tariq Insaab is also present.
33:09 We will go on a break,
33:10 when we come back,
33:11 when we come back, the Asian Development Bank says that
33:13 Pakistan is among the most expensive countries in Asia,
33:17 and that this year, the inflation rate will be 25% higher.
33:20 We will talk about this on the break.
33:21 Stay with us.
33:22 Welcome back to the last part of the program,
33:26 we will talk about the latest report of ADP,
33:30 in which the outlook of the Pakistani economy has been discussed.
33:32 What has been said in that report?
33:34 It has been said in that report,
33:35 that the Asian Development Bank,
33:37 in its annual outlook report,
33:39 has stated that the inflation rate will be at the highest level of 25%.
33:44 It has been said in the report,
33:45 that in the past year,
33:46 inflation has been recorded more than five decades,
33:50 while in the report,
33:51 for the next year,
33:52 the rate of inflation has been stated to be 15%.
33:57 In the report of ADP,
33:58 the annual inflation rate of Pakistan is expected to be 1.9%,
34:02 while in the next year,
34:03 the rate is expected to be 2.8%.
34:07 In the report of ADP,
34:09 it has been emphasized the need for women's participation in the economy.
34:15 It has been stated in the report,
34:16 that the financial year has improved in the agricultural and industrial sectors,
34:20 but the increase in the cost of construction in the industries,
34:23 and the increase in the tax have affected the development.
34:26 In the report of the Asian Development Bank,
34:28 it has been stated that the Pakistani economy has been reduced from the political instability,
34:31 and the destruction caused by floods.
34:35 Therefore, it has been stated in the report,
34:37 that Pakistan will have to rely more on international financial institutions and friendly countries for foreign investments.
34:45 The economy that has been reduced due to political instability,
34:49 will only be fine when political stability comes here.
34:52 Anyway, we are waiting for it.
34:55 Mr. Baitab Haider,
34:56 senior journalist,
34:57 expert economist,
34:58 will explain this report to us in a simple language.
35:01 What is this report saying?
35:03 And what will be the effects of this report in the near future?
35:07 Assalam-o-Alaikum,
35:08 thank you very much for joining us.
35:10 The inflation rate in Pakistan will be at the highest level of 25%.
35:14 What are the reasons for this?
35:17 And they are saying that it will remain stable.
35:21 What is the basic reason for this?
35:24 Look, basically,
35:25 if you look at the inflation in the last three years,
35:28 the number of inflation has been very high.
35:31 The average inflation rate has been more than 20%.
35:34 Last year, it was around 20-25%.
35:37 This year, it is expected that by the end of the year,
35:40 it will be between 21-22%.
35:43 Basically, higher inflation and low growth.
35:47 It basically means that there are two meanings of this.
35:51 As a result of the increase in inflation,
35:53 poverty will increase and unemployment will increase.
35:56 What is the reason?
35:57 The reason is that all these multilaterals are expecting growth between 1.8% and 2%.
36:03 Pakistan's population growth is 2.6%.
36:06 So, if your GDP growth is less than the population growth,
36:11 it means that instead of increasing per capita income,
36:14 dollar terms will be less.
36:16 This is the basic reason.
36:18 As a result, it is called stagflation in economic terms.
36:21 The basic purpose of stagflation is to increase the growth of the 40 lakh people in the job market.
36:30 The growth of 2% means that 9-10 lakh people will get employment.
36:35 30 lakh people will not be able to get employment.
36:38 So, people are coming to the job market, but there are no jobs.
36:43 And the jobs are low quality jobs.
36:46 People are getting jobs in small jobs in the services sector.
36:51 So, these are the basic issues due to which there is low growth and higher inflation.
36:57 The main reason for inflation is that the exchange rate was the main reason.
37:03 In addition, the prices of oil have increased in the international market.
37:07 Now, I will tell you the biggest threat that I see.
37:10 The oil prices are increasing again in the tension region.
37:14 Yesterday, the price of oil went up by more than $90.
37:18 So, these are all the dangers that are in front of us.
37:21 And in this report, where you were giving reference that we have more than external requirements.
37:26 For this reason, we will have to go to a new IMF program.
37:31 The one that is going today for the Minister of Finance is going to America.
37:35 We will go there and request that the current program will be completed by the end of this month.
37:40 And we are going to request for an extended fund facility.
37:44 Which will be available in Pakistan for at least three years in the IMF program.
37:48 And what are the possibilities of this?
37:50 Because this program has been announced with great progress.
37:54 This review has been completed.
37:56 They have to give approval to the board.
37:59 And as a result of that approval, Pakistan will get $1.1 billion by the end of this month.
38:04 Let me add one more thing to this.
38:06 When I am talking to you, we have repaid the international bond of $1 billion during the PMLN.
38:19 So, basically, the money that has been issued will be compensated by the IMF.
38:24 But if you look at the next financial year, we have a requirement of $25 billion.
38:29 We have to repay the debt.
38:32 And if we take the current account deficit of $3-4 billion, we will need $28-30 billion in one year.
38:39 And this cannot happen without the backing of the IMF.
38:42 The chances are that we will have to accept the tough conditionalities.
38:46 We will have to make the next budget according to their will to go to the IMF program.
38:50 But since this will be a three-year program, the most important thing for the policy makers is that they should stagger this program.
38:57 What will be the IMF's effort?
38:59 Front-loading.
39:00 Because we have a trust deficit.
39:02 We run away after completing one or two reviews.
39:05 So, their effort will be to not act on the maximum conditionalities in the first year.
39:10 In this report, I was seeing that the inflation rate is 25% this year.
39:14 The projected inflation rate for next year is dropping.
39:18 It is likely to come down to 15%.
39:20 Is it on the basis that we get the IMF program and then comply with it?
39:24 And will it be as a result?
39:26 There is another fundamental reason for it.
39:28 When your base is higher, you have to compare it with that base.
39:36 The 15% inflation is not a low inflation.
39:40 The fundamental thing is that there may not be such a reduction in prices.
39:45 But when you compare it with the last year, then we may feel a little less.
39:49 Or it will not increase in that way.
39:51 Yes, exactly.
39:53 And there is another thing.
39:55 We are an agricultural country.
39:58 If you see the figures of the last three years,
40:01 we import food for $10 billion every year.
40:05 We import pulses, wheat, tea, cotton, palm oil.
40:15 We have imported $1.6 billion of wheat.
40:26 These are the fundamental things that are smuggling.
40:30 You see that the bumper crop was destroyed last year.
40:32 Despite that, we are importing.
40:34 And people tell me that we will have to import every year for the next 5 to 10 years.
40:38 This is a border issue.
40:40 Secondly, our consumption requirements are also increasing.
40:42 We need to pay attention to both these things.
40:44 So concluding note.
40:46 For the next one to one and a half years,
40:49 you see that the prices will increase.
40:51 There is a price of gas, electricity, and food.
40:56 So, I don't see any cushion in this whole year.
40:59 A common man watching TV, tell him a realistic picture.
41:01 The realistic picture is that when we go to the IMF program,
41:06 the next IMF program will be the toughest program.
41:11 The reason is that the projected fiscal deficit of this year
41:19 will be the biggest deficit in Pakistan's history.
41:22 8% of GDP is the World Bank's share.
41:25 This means that the deficit is more than 8,000 billion rupees.
41:29 When the loan is so big, what will the IMF do?
41:32 The IMF will say two things.
41:34 First, it will say that you should increase taxes.
41:36 Second, it will say that you should reduce expenditures.
41:39 The pension reforms will be included in the next IMF program.
41:42 The system of getting pension for three, four generations will be finished.
41:46 The rules of business will be changed.
41:48 The government will have to bring in some people.
41:52 There are many sectors that are not in the tax net.
41:55 They will have to bring them in the tax net.
41:57 And the leakages will have to be fixed.
41:59 Thank you very much, Mr. Mehta Paitar.
42:01 We have tried to understand in a layman's language
42:05 what the ADP report is actually telling us.
42:09 The program is over.
42:10 Don't forget to give your feedback.
42:11 Take care. Goodbye.