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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Shandana Gulzar PTI
- Muhammad Malik (Senior Analyst)
- Sardar Awais Laghari PMLN
" Duniya Hamesha Taaqatwar Ke Sath Hai, Palestine Ke Sath Koi Khara Howa Nahi Hai.."
" IPPs Ka Maamla Itna Sada Hota To Gohar Sahib Jab Wazeer Thay To Khud Hal Kar Letay ",
Kya Imran Khan Kay Halat Tabdeeli Ki Tarf Jarahy Hen? - Shandana Gulzar's Big Statement
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Shandana Gulzar PTI
- Muhammad Malik (Senior Analyst)
- Sardar Awais Laghari PMLN
" Duniya Hamesha Taaqatwar Ke Sath Hai, Palestine Ke Sath Koi Khara Howa Nahi Hai.."
" IPPs Ka Maamla Itna Sada Hota To Gohar Sahib Jab Wazeer Thay To Khud Hal Kar Letay ",
Kya Imran Khan Kay Halat Tabdeeli Ki Tarf Jarahy Hen? - Shandana Gulzar's Big Statement
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, Peace be upon you.
00:11We want to talk about the politics of the country, but obviously,
00:14this is such a big achievement on a global scale.
00:16The martyrdom of Ismail Hania, the political leader of Hamas,
00:20and the way in which this whole incident took place,
00:23the way in which it was shot, the way it was filmed,
00:26obviously, this is a big shock.
00:29Because it is also telling us that whatever is happening in Palestine,
00:34the massacre, may Allah forbid, but it also seems that this is a very
00:38horrific matter. It is not going to end.
00:40Rather, this war is going to spread further.
00:43This instability is going to spread further.
00:45Other parts of the world, in some way or the other,
00:47are going to be engulfed by all this.
00:49Anyway, today, Ismail Hania's funeral prayer was performed in Iran.
00:54In such a restricted environment, obviously, this is not a good news.
00:58But anyway, this is a visual.
01:00In this regard, you can see on your screens, a very good,
01:04should I say a good or a powerful, yes, that's the right word.
01:09Thank you very much.
01:10This is a very strong visual.
01:12Obviously, at this time, the biggest name of the protest is Ismail Hania.
01:18And obviously, everyone knows that as far as the issue is concerned,
01:21Ismail Hania is related to the Ahl-e-Sunnah.
01:24And then his funeral prayer was held in Iran.
01:27Ayatollah Saeed Ali Khamenei, the leader, led the funeral prayer.
01:30And obviously, everyone knows that Iran is an Ahl-e-Tashih government.
01:33And the way in which millions of ladies and gentlemen participated,
01:36and the way in which, this is a very powerful,
01:39it is certainly a signal, a very powerful visual.
01:43And may Allah make the Muslim Ummah,
01:46and many other countries, which have big titles and everything,
01:51all of them, at least on this issue,
01:53like this is a visual where there is no division of opinion
01:57regarding Shia or Sunni.
01:59The matter is above that.
02:01Because the one in front is also hitting,
02:03he is not differentiating between Shia and Sunni, he is hitting.
02:05So here it would be very stupid if Muslims get into a dispute with each other.
02:08Anyway, from that perspective, it is a very powerful visual.
02:11But of course, there is also a very big development.
02:13In fact, I would like, in today's first segment,
02:16the two guests, we have given them political comments.
02:19But the senior journalist, I would like an initial comment.
02:22And then we will come to the politics of Pakistan.
02:25We have with us Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, his MNA.
02:28And we have to talk a lot with many people.
02:30Shandana Gulzar is here, I am very thankful to her.
02:32Thank you very much, Madam.
02:33And there is no need for any introduction.
02:35Very senior journalist, senior journalist.
02:37Mr. Mohammad Malik is here in the studio.
02:39Sir, thank you very much for your time.
02:41Sir, but I want, this is such a big development at the international level.
02:44What do you think, where will this matter go now?
02:48One thing in Gaza and what has happened, two things have become very clear.
02:52There is a lesson for us.
02:53That if you are a poor nation, and if you are weak militarily,
02:57then the world is always with the powerful and rich.
03:00And Israel does whatever it wants.
03:02Unfortunately.
03:03No one is going to speak.
03:04And unfortunately, all the hypocrites in the Muslim world,
03:07they also give lip service to Palestinians.
03:10No one is standing with them.
03:12This is the reality.
03:13But this is not just a national issue, this is a regional issue.
03:16God forbid, if this war escalates and Iran takes direct action,
03:21as it was happening, its repercussions will come here.
03:23If they come here, then our borders are cut off.
03:26And after that, the disruption of oil and other things,
03:29this is going to play a huge role.
03:31So inflation is going to play a huge role.
03:33Economically, it will have a very direct impact.
03:35And apart from that, regional impact,
03:37regional impact, you start such things,
03:39you don't know where they will go.
03:41When Putin came to Ukraine, he thought there would be a limited war.
03:45All of Europe got involved, the world got involved.
03:48So, just pray.
03:50And we can only say that may Allah guide us.
03:52And you agree that now it seems that the painful visuals we are seeing in Palestine,
03:56it also seems that this matter is not going to end very soon, right?
04:00Anyway, Palestine has been destroyed.
04:03But you tell me one thing,
04:05all the rich countries of ours, Muslims,
04:10where will all their money and investments go?
04:13It is in those countries, right?
04:15It is in America, it is in London,
04:17from where the bombs are also going,
04:19from where all the unqualified support is also going.
04:21If you want to do it, there are many ways.
04:23If you don't want to do it, then...
04:25There are many ways for that?
04:27There are many ways for that.
04:29Practically, what options does Iran have?
04:31No, look, I thought Iran would be indirect.
04:35But they didn't just kill Ismail Haniyeh,
04:39they also killed their military commander.
04:42Then they also killed Hezbollah's number two.
04:46So, it seems that Netanyahu wants to expand the war.
04:51He wants this thing to escalate.
04:53He is extremely unpopular in his country.
04:55Extremely, there are protests against him.
04:58He has now become a child of conflict.
05:00Only war will sustain him.
05:02I think it is better to stop Iran.
05:07If you react to Netanyahu's timing,
05:10then maybe you will play into his hands.
05:14There is a very smelly, religious, crazy government.
05:18It is an extreme right-wing.
05:20I mean, their national security minister
05:22is the person who has been in the Israeli army
05:25for two years for mandatory service.
05:28He has become their national security advisor.
05:31He was taken into mandatory service
05:34on the basis that this guy is very extremist.
05:37Oh, and now this guy has come to this stage.
05:40This guy is the national security advisor.
05:42This guy is the one who is attacking through settlers.
05:45The army is doing what it is doing.
05:47There is madness there.
05:49So, I think the Muslim world will have to think a little.
05:53And they will have to think instead of their bank balances
05:56and alliances.
05:58Ultimately, why are we fighting?
06:01We are Muslims.
06:03There is a lot of difference in the Middle East and the Gulf.
06:07There is a difference in the thinking of the people
06:09and the thinking of the rulers.
06:11And this difference is very dangerous, ultimately.
06:13Oh, God will do this.
06:15God bless you.
06:17Now, let's jump to our local political scenario.
06:21Now that we have come to Islamabad,
06:23there is the same issue everywhere.
06:26What is happening?
06:28Yes, brother, what is happening?
06:30What else is happening?
06:32And one of the big reasons for this is that
06:34there has been a change in the state of affairs
06:36in Pakistan in recent statements.
06:38Where these messages used to come,
06:40which the PTI's Twitter account used to tell every day
06:42that today Imran Khan has said this,
06:44that Asim Munir is responsible for this.
06:46Today he said this, today he said this.
06:48From there, these statements are coming
06:50that I want to give this message to the army
06:52that this Noon is fighting me.
06:54We will not let this happen.
06:56I am sure you will not let this happen either.
06:58Then today Nasir Abbas also says the same thing.
07:00Then Halima Khan says that we request the army chief.
07:02So why is all this happening?
07:04Has something happened because of which these statements have come?
07:06Or are these statements the reason for something to happen?
07:08This is the biggest question.
07:10Let's take a look at this.
07:12First, let's ask Shandana Gulzar.
07:14No, before Shandana, let me ask you a question.
07:16What happened?
07:18The one who took a guess and boarded a ship from Karachi
07:20When I boarded the ship,
07:2295% of the time I thought
07:24that the position was the same on the other side.
07:26But after coming here,
07:28I am 1000% sure that the position is the same on the other side.
07:30Now let's move forward.
07:32Yes, that is absolutely the case.
07:34So, all my journalists,
07:36Kashif Sahib,
07:38I have lost all my hopes.
07:40So, Shandana Gulzar Sahiba,
07:42you tell me,
07:44what is this
07:46new statement of Mr. Khan
07:48that has changed the situation?
07:50Of course,
07:52that is your position,
07:54that we want the situation to improve.
07:56Do you think
07:58that the other side is very rigid
08:00and is not flexible?
08:04Thank you, Mr. Rasim.
08:06With your permission,
08:08I would like to greet Mr. Malik.
08:10Look,
08:12there can be two kinds of things.
08:14One is
08:16what is the position of Imran Khan
08:18for the last 1.5 to 2 years.
08:20And the other is
08:22what is the position of Mr. Khan for the last one week.
08:24Clearly, I am not the center of the universe,
08:26but since the last 6 months,
08:28since the election,
08:30I have met Mr. Khan
08:32on 24th or 25th February.
08:34And I myself asked Mr. Khan,
08:36this is our first show after that,
08:38I said, sir, what Mr. Ali Muhammad
08:40and Mr. Asad Qaiser are saying,
08:42they talk about rapprochement,
08:44my army, my people,
08:46my martyrs, my police.
08:48I said, sir, the police have cut our threads,
08:50they have broken our heads.
08:52At that time, there was no Bahawal Nagar incident.
08:54So I said, sir, what kind of statement is this?
08:56So, Mr. Khan, this is the only statement I have.
08:58I had a fight with Bajwa.
09:00Who else did I have a fight with?
09:02He has done our VOMC,
09:04economically destroyed Pakistan.
09:06So why should we fight the institution?
09:08When I said this on Twitter,
09:10when I said this in 5-6 interviews,
09:12I got a lot of votes,
09:14that no, she joined from Pindis and ISI,
09:16and I lost my mind.
09:18I had only one statement for 6 months.
09:20Now that thing, Mr. Khan said to the public yesterday.
09:22He gave us advice 6 months ago,
09:24publicly, okay.
09:26One more thing was happening for a long time.
09:28I was watching a show of Sohail Warraich.
09:30He says, Mr. Khan,
09:32they don't let mosquitoes sit on the nose,
09:34and there shouldn't be so much rigidity,
09:36and there should be flexibility,
09:38and no one can work without the institution.
09:40Whatever people send me,
09:42I don't agree with it,
09:44but if you want to talk about it,
09:46then do it.
09:48I don't understand what Mr. Khan should do,
09:50if he doesn't talk to them.
09:52We are asking the question,
09:54what is the reason for this change?
09:56You are saying that there is no change.
09:58This was their first opinion.
10:00It was not close to me,
10:02and I have witnesses,
10:04there were 3-4 police officers,
10:06Sher Afzal, Sheryar,
10:08Khatib, Shahram,
10:10Jamal Ahsan and Ahan Abbas Bappi,
10:12Mr. Khan said this in front of us.
10:14He said that he had a fight with Mr. Bajwa,
10:16but did they talk about the current
10:18constable?
10:20No, not at all.
10:22In fact, Mr. Khan went one step further.
10:24He said,
10:26truth and reconciliation means
10:28that someone has apologized to you.
10:30He said, I don't want to go there,
10:32but I will tell you that I will forgive
10:34those who attacked me,
10:36because if Mr. Khan is forgiving them,
10:38then what about the rest of the Pakistanis?
10:40Zill-e-Shah, Ashraf Sharif?
10:42Mr. Khan said, no,
10:44reconciliation is limited to a limited extent,
10:46but I will create an environment
10:48so that the separation of Bangladesh
10:50does not happen again,
10:52so that the federation is broken.
10:54I can see that situation.
10:56You talked about Ismail Hania,
10:58God bless him,
11:00about his funeral in Iran.
11:02First of all,
11:04at least for me.
11:06At least for me.
11:08I like the provisor, at least for me.
11:10She is right over there.
11:12Look, if there is to be stability here,
11:14then it is very important
11:16that the conflict between the army
11:18and the judiciary ends,
11:20that the conflict between the army
11:22and Imran Khan ends,
11:24and that Imran Khan should at least
11:26talk to the other political parties,
11:28directly or indirectly.
11:30There have been a lot of conflicts,
11:32so that the country can move forward.
11:34And no one can run this country alone.
11:36Neither can the army run it alone,
11:38nor can Mr. Khan, nor can the judiciary.
11:40Everyone should understand this.
11:42Everyone has run it.
11:44Mr. Khan has also run it.
11:46It doesn't work. You have to co-exist.
11:48But having said that,
11:50take this statement.
11:52Mr. Khan's problem is not about intention.
11:54He has his heart in the right place.
11:56Mr. Khan's problem is the choice of words.
11:58You talk about reproachment.
12:00You say, these are spoiled children.
12:02This is a condescending attitude.
12:04I want to talk to you.
12:06You talk about equality.
12:08I don't say,
12:10you are a spoiled child.
12:12Then you say,
12:14he thinks I am a child,
12:16he thinks I am inferior to him.
12:18You start with the wrong toning.
12:20In the same statement,
12:22you say that there is virtual martial law in the country.
12:24In the same statement,
12:26you say that the violence on May 9th
12:28What is the red line
12:30between the two?
12:32That is May 9th.
12:34He does not move away from his statement.
12:36He says it is a false flag.
12:38He says that he should disown him.
12:40He does not move away from his statement.
12:42He did not show flexibility.
12:44When Mr. Khan said,
12:46if our people are involved,
12:48you should punish them.
12:50But he says,
12:52the people involved are not ours.
12:54They are perpetrators.
12:56Even though they are involved in elections,
12:58they are not involved in public diplomacy.
13:00This is the latest statement.
13:02Then you say,
13:04we nominated Mr. Mehmood Achakzai.
13:06Do you remember,
13:08when Mr. Mehmood Achakzai came to the field,
13:10we all said,
13:12what a brilliant move.
13:14If he does something,
13:16credit will go to Mr. Khan.
13:18If he does not do anything,
13:20it is fine.
13:22The next day,
13:24he himself made a request.
13:26He insisted.
13:28We said,
13:30you also complete the argument.
13:32He is clearly mishandling the issue.
13:34And also,
13:36Mr. Mehmood Achakzai is a perfect man.
13:38If you want to talk to Nawaz Sharif,
13:40and you want to talk to Mr. Zardari,
13:42he is not perfect for Pindi.
13:44He cannot stand Pindi,
13:46and Pindi cannot stand him.
13:48Whoever did generalism in Islamabad,
13:50for 25 years,
13:52he knows what Mr. Mehmood Achakzai is capable of.
13:54Everyone knows what he is capable of.
13:56This is the same thing,
13:58that I send such a person to you,
14:00who you cannot tolerate.
14:02This is the same thing,
14:04that when Mr. Khan said,
14:06that the army should appoint a representative,
14:08they said,
14:10Shahbaz Sharif is our representative.
14:12Exactly.
14:14Didn't Mohsin Naqvi say this?
14:16He was a smart reporter.
14:18Exactly this happened.
14:20They appointed Shahbaz Sharif,
14:22and they appointed Mr. Achakzai.
14:24The choice of messenger is very important.
14:26This is what we are talking about today,
14:28that in the next 15 days,
14:30we will have a grand alliance.
14:32Mr. Fawad Chaudhary says,
14:34that to get Mr. Khan released,
14:36nothing can be more effective,
14:38than all the opposition parties
14:40coming together on one stage.
14:42He is absolutely right.
14:44If all the parties come together,
14:46then Mr. Khan will be released.
14:48Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
14:50who was in my program,
14:52he said,
14:54that we will have to
14:56come out of the protests.
14:58He said,
15:00that we will not be able to work
15:02in the protests.
15:04They have to talk
15:06to political parties.
15:08In English,
15:10you have to line your ducks.
15:12At least bring your ducks
15:14in one row.
15:16You are not talking to anyone.
15:18You want to talk to those,
15:20who don't want to talk to you.
15:22You are saying,
15:24that we will do it in two weeks.
15:26Look at the psyche of the other side.
15:28The hawks of the government,
15:30the hawks of the establishment,
15:32they think,
15:34that they are not capable
15:36of heating the road.
15:38Not even by bringing together
15:40the opposition parties.
15:42You will be surprised
15:44when you meet them.
15:46They have mutual mistrust.
15:48They have a common political turf.
15:50They cut each other off.
15:52That is why,
15:54there is an inherent contradiction
15:56in this alliance.
15:58It is not a simple alliance.
16:00But let me tell you,
16:02there is a lot of pressure
16:04on the establishment
16:06and the political hawks,
16:08that they cannot heat the road.
16:10If they cannot heat the road,
16:12then they will not be able
16:14to do anything.
16:42This is not the case.
16:44They will have to heat the road.
16:46I am not quoting your words,
16:48but correct me if I am wrong.
16:50Sir, they will either heat the road,
16:52or cool down the temperature
16:54of their rhetoric.
16:56Do you also think,
16:58that they will have to get out,
17:00they will have to eat two sticks,
17:02they will be arrested,
17:04but there is no other way.
17:06And if the party leadership
17:08decides on this,
17:11Thank you Mr. Haseem and Mr. Malik.
17:13We are having a Punjab-centric
17:15discussion right now.
17:17And the level of psychosis in Punjab,
17:19that three of our MNAs were arrested,
17:21Muzaffar Ghat, Muazzam Jatoi,
17:23Ameer Sultan,
17:25Lahore Sun,
17:27and still Haji Imtiaz,
17:29from Mandi Bahauddin.
17:31These are MNAs who never speak
17:33other than their budget.
17:35They are not aggressive like me.
17:37And this poor guy was arrested
17:39to change his loyalties.
17:41But the Election Commission
17:43has already entered all the documents.
17:45So the road will only get hot
17:47when you let us live.
17:49When you put us in jail,
17:51we haven't even left yet,
17:53and you put us in jail.
17:55Secondly, it may be arguable
17:57that in Punjab,
17:59you see this scenario in KB,
18:01there was a peaceful march in Bannu,
18:03now there are miscreants in the middle,
18:05who fired first,
18:07and now there is a peaceful march
18:09everywhere in KB.
18:11Even after being shot,
18:13the march from Khyber to Karachi
18:15cannot be stopped now.
18:17People have understood
18:19that either there will be
18:21duction, or bullets, or beatings.
18:23And we have decided that
18:25if Jallianwala Bagh is also
18:27set up in Pakistan,
18:29we will leave.
18:31The question is of timing.
18:33Let's give Khan a sign.
18:35We are still waiting.
18:37I will try to meet him day after tomorrow.
18:39But let me tell you one thing.
18:41All gloves are off.
18:43All bets are also off.
18:45Anything can happen now.
18:47The global reset button that
18:49America had turned on,
18:51they had a dream that Ukraine
18:53will succeed, China will fail.
18:55That theory has failed miserably.
18:57They will give it to KPK, to Afghanistan.
18:59And I have a doubt that
19:01the blood they are spilling,
19:03they are standing and saying
19:05that we don't want to live in Pakistan.
19:07We want to go abroad.
19:09And I am sorry.
19:11That is not the position of PTI.
19:13It will never happen.
19:15I was born in Pakistan.
19:17I will die in Pakistan.
19:19So please don't ignore
19:21the international hand.
19:23We have China, Afghanistan,
19:25and Iran on our border.
19:27These three traditions
19:29have always been your royalties,
19:31and they desperately need G20.
19:33And Mr. Shandana,
19:35Mr. Malik has a question for you.
19:37But tell me,
19:39when it comes to the Grand Alliance,
19:41how confident are you
19:43as a Maulana
19:45that Mr. Maulana will join you
19:47in street power?
19:49I am not saying that
19:51Mr. Asad Kaisar will feed him halwa.
19:53No.
19:55I will be honest with you.
19:57I will be very direct.
19:59PTI doesn't need JAYF.
20:01We don't need anyone.
20:03The whole of Pakistan is with us.
20:05Let me tell you about my circle.
20:07The majority of my circle
20:09were Islamists, followed by ANP,
20:11followed by PTI, followed by so many other groups.
20:13In this election,
20:15all the parties voted for us.
20:17Because they were so fed up
20:19in the last two years.
20:21Let me tell you,
20:23the prices of petrol and gas
20:25will rise along with electricity
20:27PTI doesn't need JAYF.
20:29But you need a person to organize a protest.
20:31But this is only after two months.
20:33Then you need more organizational skills.
20:35This is a strong point of JAYF.
20:37Their madrasa crowd can also come.
20:39They can resist.
20:41So sometimes you need a person
20:43to heat up a street.
20:45But these are old matters.
20:47Mr. Singh, the current situation in KP
20:49the blood that is being spilled,
20:51the whole of Pakistan is on one page.
20:53I can assure you of that.
20:55Mr. Khan's opinion is that
20:57only when all the parties
20:59are on the same page
21:01will Mr. Khan's opinion become easier.
21:03You seem to disagree with it.
21:05You think that PTI's voting
21:07alone is enough.
21:09Look, this can be an opinion.
21:11But the reality is different.
21:13I am not only in my circle.
21:15I am in Bannu, Punjab, Balochistan,
21:17Karachi, I go everywhere.
21:19At this time, people are exploding.
21:21They are saying, get us out.
21:23They are saying, patience, patience, peace.
21:25I understand what you are saying.
21:27Okay, Shandana,
21:29I hope your assessment is correct.
21:31Because in my opinion,
21:33PTI's party structure has always been problematic.
21:35Even when the situation was better,
21:37your party structure was not there.
21:39But Mr. Khan's personality was so strong
21:41that he used to cry outside.
21:43Everything was going on.
21:45Then your structure was broken after May 9th.
21:47Even now, your party has a lot of
21:49factional infighting.
21:51You are also considered a group.
21:53Then Bhor Ayub,
21:55Umar Ayub, etc.
21:57Even Mr. Khan has said
21:59that I will call both groups
22:01and talk.
22:03I don't expect you to comment on it.
22:05I don't want you to comment on it
22:07because it is your party's thing.
22:09But we all know that the grouping is everything.
22:11Secondly, you said in the beginning,
22:13when I talked to you,
22:15you said, look, in Punjab,
22:17they are not letting us breathe,
22:19they are not letting us breathe.
22:21You want to put a lot of pressure
22:23on the party structure
22:25without
22:27your voters.
22:29He voted on 8th February.
22:31He came quietly and voted.
22:33But you expect him
22:35to go on the streets and get beaten
22:37on his own and on her own
22:39and stay in jail for 6 months.
22:41That is not party structure.
22:43If it was possible,
22:45would Imran Khan have been in jail for a year?
22:47If it was possible,
22:49would there be a drama case every other day?
22:51Would you still have people in jail?
22:53I don't think so.
22:55I think the other side is convinced
22:57that you talk and you don't have
22:59street power.
23:01And you don't see a revolution
23:03on the shoulders of the tenants.
23:05If you have to walk on the shoulders of the JUI,
23:07you don't see a revolution.
23:09So I think you will have to realistically assess
23:11what we want.
23:13And I agree with people that
23:15we don't agree on
23:17base points
23:19on a democratic agenda.
23:21So it is very difficult
23:23to sit on your own.
23:25What have you done in the past year?
23:29Mr. Malik, I agree with you to an extent.
23:31That is one way of looking at things.
23:33But let me give you an example from history.
23:35If we keep
23:37looking for examples in the past
23:39about understanding,
23:41how it was in other countries,
23:43how it was in Pakistan,
23:45then I am afraid that our children
23:47will never be able to do it.
23:49I am not saying it is a compromise.
23:51I am talking about clarity of thought.
23:53I am not saying it is a compromise.
23:55If you say that we have to talk
23:57but you appoint Mr. Mahmood Achakzai,
23:59then it becomes non-serious.
24:01People who know the ground reality
24:03say that it is not a serious thing.
24:05If you say that it is a choice of
24:07a mystery, then how will the rest be right?
24:09You are talking about de facto
24:11and de jure.
24:13The government should have been
24:15de facto and de jure.
24:17But right now, both the de facto
24:19and de jure are sitting
24:21with the pirates of 9th February.
24:23So, which truth are we seeing right now?
24:25Truth A or Truth B?
24:27These are just exhibits.
24:29I am telling you something else.
24:31I am saying that the winds have changed.
24:33But right now, the people and Khan
24:35are seeing with bated breath
24:37where the pro-Pakistani forces
24:39are going.
24:41They don't say in English that
24:43everything is in the air right now.
24:45They don't say that pieces have fallen on the ground.
24:47If the other side had decided
24:49that they don't have street power,
24:51I can assure you
24:53that the 20-30 MNAs
24:55that we sit in the assembly
24:57through the roster to protest,
24:59if it wasn't so strict that
25:01we would have called 100 policemen
25:03and 50 rangers,
25:05we would have called the Supreme Court.
25:07Khan's monologue
25:09on audio with the Supreme Court
25:11is released.
25:13I can assure you that this is a double or triple game.
25:15But it doesn't matter.
25:17Right now, our focus is only on Pakistan.
25:19I want to ask a question to Mr. Malik.
25:21Mr. Malik, you are saying
25:23that there is no street power.
25:25So, let me paint a scenario.
25:27Let's say that we are waiting for a call from Mr. Khan.
25:29Tomorrow morning, Mr. Khan will say
25:31that you have to leave.
25:33You have to leave Punjab and go to KPK.
25:35Every third day, there should be a rally.
25:37So, there won't be a big rally in KPK.
25:39Of course, there will be a rally in KPK.
25:41Will there be street power?
25:43No.
25:45Secondly,
25:47pro-active politics is reactionary politics.
25:49If I file a case against you
25:51and you bail me out,
25:53this is a reactionary reaction.
25:55So far, they have been feeling everything.
25:57They have done this.
25:59People's anger is natural.
26:01Have you capitalized on it?
26:03The Jamaat-e-Islami has capitalized on it.
26:05The Jamaat-e-Islami has put forward the protest.
26:07I am just saying that
26:09when you saw a pro-active plan,
26:11frankly, I didn't like it.
26:13Let's conclude this debate.
26:15A few weeks ago,
26:17you were saying in our program
26:19that when Mr. Khan was very angry
26:21and was giving a dangerous statement,
26:23you were saying that Mr. Khan
26:25believed that he won't get anything
26:27from this system.
26:29You were saying that
26:31you won't get anything
26:33from this system.
26:35What has happened today?
26:37Why has this changed?
26:39Why don't you think
26:41that you won't get anything from this system?
26:43I think that Mr. Khan
26:45still has the same conviction.
26:47People say that you don't talk.
26:49You don't do this.
26:51If I put so many conditions
26:53and talk,
26:55who will do it?
26:57The PTI officials
26:59gave a statement.
27:01Mr. Khan talked to the media reporters.
27:03In the evening,
27:05they gave a statement.
27:07What were the first three conditions?
27:09Return the mandate.
27:11You have to get what you want
27:13through negotiations.
27:15You have put the preconditions.
27:17On May 9th,
27:19you said that you didn't put any allegations.
27:21You have put allegations.
27:23You have put allegations of murder.
27:25There is no such thing.
27:27You have put allegations.
27:29But I need to move forward.
27:31In black and white,
27:33there should be a clear categorical intent
27:35of the conversation.
27:37When your conversation
27:39is not discussed in press conferences
27:41in the world.
27:43It is behind the scenes.
27:45If they have to come out of jail
27:47and give them offers
27:49and send you to talk to the army,
27:51then no one can be a non-serious starter.
27:53Mr. Chandana,
27:55what is your analysis?
27:57What should be done?
27:59I am not able to hear you.
28:01Yes, this is my question.
28:03I am not able to hear you.
28:05Are you able to hear me?
28:07Okay.
28:09No, Mr. Padami.
28:11We are talking from a different perspective.
28:13I am not disagreeing with anything.
28:15I am saying something else.
28:17Let's put it that way.
28:19Let's talk about polarization.
28:21The situation in Pakistan was so bad
28:23and so strict.
28:25I am coming back to the street power issue.
28:27Why does Pakistan
28:29revoke its permission
28:31after giving DC permission in Islamabad?
28:33Not once, but five times.
28:35Why are you afraid that
28:37100-200 people will come out?
28:39What is the need to ruin our permission
28:41and remove our containers?
28:43Why are you waiting for DC's permission?
28:45Mr. Chandana,
28:47where in the world
28:49does Maulana Fuzair Rahman
28:51always come with DC's permission?
28:53Has the People's Party
28:55always come with DC's permission?
28:57Does the JUI come with DC's permission?
28:59Seriously, people don't take
29:01these things seriously.
29:03People say that these are just excuses.
29:05No, Mr. Malik, I disagree.
29:07Listen, Mr. Malik, I disagree to the extent
29:09that the first Jalsa in Peshawar
29:11was in my house.
29:13I was blind.
29:15I didn't get bail in Islamabad.
29:17I didn't get permission.
29:19But when Mr. Khan
29:21is asking for permission,
29:23how can we say
29:25that we didn't listen to him
29:27and we have to do it ourselves?
29:29What is in his mind?
29:31I have no idea.
29:33But if a person is in jail
29:35and says something wrong,
29:37it is not incumbent upon us
29:39to disagree with him.
29:41In the last 30 seconds,
29:43do you see any change in the scene
29:45or is it difficult?
29:47You will find out in 10 to 2 weeks.
29:49In 10 days to 2 weeks.
29:51Okay.
29:53Or you can call me Sheikh Rasheed.
29:55In the next 12 to 14 days.
29:57But in 10 to 14 days.
29:59Let's see.
30:01Sir, thank you very much.
30:03Thank you very much.
30:05After the break,
30:07we have a very relevant minister
30:09with us, Minister for Energy,
30:11the head of the Power Division,
30:13who says that this is an IPP,
30:15it produces electricity,
30:17but there are agreements
30:19that there is a capacity payment,
30:21that you have to pay the same amount
30:23whether it produces 1 MW or not,
30:25and you have given so much.
30:27End these agreements so that electricity
30:29becomes cheaper.
30:31What does the relevant minister
30:33say?
30:35Is it possible or not?
30:37Is it that easy or not?
30:39Do we have any good news for you
30:41today?
31:11Is it possible or not?
31:13Is it that easy or not?
31:15Do we have any good news for you
31:17today?
31:41Do we have any good news for you
31:43today?
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36:23If you have a demand of 30,000 megawatts,
36:27in the summer, it is one-third of what it is in the winter.
36:31This is how it is.
36:32You have five months when the demand is one-third of what it is.
36:37What do the plants do in those days?
36:39If they don't produce, what do they do?
36:41If they don't produce, then the capacity payment
36:44is to keep that plant available 24 hours, 365 days.
36:51Whenever you want to run electricity,
36:53there is an amount of that which is in the capacity payment.
36:57And this is how it is all over the world?
36:59See, if this thing doesn't happen,
37:02and what you keep hearing,
37:04take and pay and take and pay.
37:06If this doesn't happen, and if you go above take and pay,
37:10then the price of your fee unit will go up.
37:14Will it go up even more than it is today?
37:16No, no.
37:17It can reach close to that, or it will be a little less than that,
37:22if you go above take and pay.
37:24But when these plans were put in place, Mr. Bhadani,
37:28at that time, the rate of dollar and interest was low.
37:32Let me tell you that if the plans put in place in 2016,
37:36which talk about capacity payments,
37:39if the plans were put in place at that time,
37:42if the dollar and interest rate were the same,
37:45then today your electricity would be about 7 to 8 rupees per unit cheaper.
37:51Despite saying these things,
37:53we had about 28 plants in the policy of 1994 and 2002.
38:01The Prime Minister of those 28 plants,
38:04gave us a task before the press conference.
38:09The task has been almost completed.
38:11And whatever you are hearing these days,
38:14this is mostly happening because they know that the government is going to do this.
38:19Everyone will definitely try to put their share in it and take their credit,
38:24which is their full right, and we are thankful.
38:27All the IPPs that are being talked about,
38:31this is our agenda, which has been discussed from the beginning.
38:34What is going to happen?
38:36Complete the matter.
38:3728 IPPs, 28 plants, according to Mr. Shahbaz Sharif, what is going to happen?
38:41At the moment, there are about 28 plants of 1994 and 2002,
38:50which we have completely dissected and analyzed.
38:55How many plants are needed?
38:57How many plants should go on take and pay?
38:59How much upfront money should be given to retire?
39:02So that in the future, there is a savings of several hundred billion rupees.
39:07So, before talking about their wisdom,
39:12we have started action on this.
39:15By the way, Mr. Minister, please tell us, what is your opinion?
39:19Some people also say that suddenly things did not start like this.
39:22This also started when it was said from somewhere.
39:25Yes, wherever it has been said, thank God, it has been said.
39:30They are supporting our program.
39:33And this is almost at the end of March or in the first week of April,
39:41this was done by the Prime Minister of the Reform Program Power Sector,
39:45whose news was also going on.
39:48Revisiting all the IPPs and seeing them,
39:54this was a fundamental part of our program.
39:57So very soon we will get some IPPs.
40:00One thing, Mr. Wasim, we are the government.
40:04We do not want to take any such step
40:07that in our International Courts of Arbitration,
40:11there is a challenge in such matters,
40:14where the taxpayer has to give instead of taking.
40:18So we are not playing such a big band.
40:23We are quietly doing serious work.
40:26And the result of that serious work
40:29will be less in the price of people's electricity.
40:33And this is the Prime Minister's own program.
40:36Probably the political parties that are protesting today
40:40and the industrialists who are claiming this thing,
40:43we are four steps ahead of them, but we are walking quietly.
40:47And when the time comes to express this thing,
40:50then we will express it on a strong footing.
40:53And this work, God willing,
40:55can't be true news for the public, if it happens.
40:58So will there be a rough timeline in the next 3-4 months?
41:03Sir, I am absolutely irresponsible.
41:06Who knows, it may happen much earlier.
41:09I don't want to state anything irresponsibly right now,
41:13but I must tell you that this is the Prime Minister's
41:17and the state's priority right now.
41:20And the owner of any IPP,
41:23I don't have any uncle or any son,
41:26so right now, instead of people's interest,
41:29and along with Pakistan's interest,
41:32no one's interest, along with Pakistan's interest,
41:37is more important than people's interest.
41:41And sir, do you agree with this?
41:44You have already said that dollar-rupee parity,
41:47currency devaluation has become such that
41:50all the equations are out, it has become so expensive,
41:53or else the fee unit would have been at least 8 rupees cheaper.
41:56Having said that, will you still say that
41:59contracts with IPPs were not good, they could have been better?
42:02Or will you say, no, they were like that,
42:05now the rest of the issues have come, the rest of the factors have come,
42:08so that's why bad luck has happened?
42:11If there had been electricity at the right time,
42:14from the 1990s to the present,
42:17if there had been electricity at the right time,
42:20if there had been ad-on at the right time,
42:23and if there hadn't been so much gap,
42:26and if Pakistan hadn't been so desperate for electricity in those days,
42:29and if the economic conditions of Pakistan
42:32hadn't been so desperate at that time,
42:35who knows, we would have gotten a better deal.
42:38Every country has its own risk,
42:41so the macroeconomic conditions look at the percentage of the loan risk,
42:44the insurance cost, and everything else.
42:47If we had put up electricity plants after 2015,
42:50which our government was proud of,
42:53and it still is today,
42:56if the economy had continued to grow,
42:59and if there hadn't been depreciation of rupees in the time of Imran Niazi,
43:02and the interest rates hadn't gone up,
43:05and if there hadn't been economic growth,
43:08the same IPPs would have been a source of pride for you.
43:11the same IPPs would have been a source of pride for you.
43:14the same IPPs would have been a source of pride for you.
43:17The more capacity they had,
43:20the more they were producing,
43:23the more demand we had,
43:26and there was no supply-demand gap.
43:29And Mr. Badami, if there hadn't been a rupee devalue,
43:32if there hadn't been a rupee devalue,
43:35there would have been a lot of post-Imran Khan.
43:38Yes, there would have been,
43:41but the slide started at that time.
43:44Yes, there would have been, but the slide started at that time.
43:47And in the government of Imran Niazi,
43:50there was a report on IPPs,
43:53there was a report on IPPs,
43:56it was said in that report,
43:59it was said in that report,
44:02that this report is not satisfactory yet,
44:05that this report is not satisfactory yet,
44:08there is going to be more investigation in this report,
44:11and despite that,
44:14and despite that,
44:17the cabinet of Imran Khan,
44:20on the basis of that half-baked report,
44:23the IPPs and the government of Pakistan,
44:26the IPPs and the government of Pakistan,
44:29were sent to the International Court of Arbitration,
44:32so that our government doesn't get a chance
44:35so that our government doesn't get a chance
44:38to make a report and forensic,
44:41and we can't prove our case.
44:44This was another big issue at that time,
44:47which we are studying and will unfold responsibly.
44:50which we are studying and will unfold responsibly.
44:53We will dissect the case and study it,
44:56and we will assume the space available,
44:59and we will assume the space available,
45:02and we will do it with mutual understanding.
45:05Thank you very much, Mr. Sagar.
45:08Everyone would like to believe it.
45:11Everyone would love to see it happening.
45:14Everyone would love to see it happening.
45:17We will conclude after the break.
45:24We will conclude after the break.
45:27We will conclude after the break.
45:53We will conclude after the break.