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00:00 All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots Beat podcast

00:07 here on the CLNS Media Network presented by our wonderful friends over at PrizePicks and

00:12 GameTime.

00:13 It is Brian Hines back with Alex Barth.

00:16 We are a few days removed from being back at the Gillette Stadium practice fields for

00:21 a rookie mini camp.

00:23 We'll talk about what we saw about that today.

00:26 We had some roster signings.

00:28 We have a new executive vice president of player personnel we can talk about.

00:32 And then I'm sure we're going to yell about the Bruins at some point during this, but

00:36 we will get you off as well before the Celtics tip off.

00:40 So a lot to talk to.

00:42 So we'll get right into it with rookie mini camp.

00:44 Again, it was Saturday, day two of rookie mini camp.

00:47 They opened it up to the press.

00:48 So we were there about an hour session, shorts, t-shirts, no contact allowed.

00:55 Very low key, as you probably would expect.

00:57 It was mostly positional drill work.

00:59 They did get a little competitive seven on seven period at the end, but again, it was

01:03 no contact, none of that allowed.

01:08 But we got to see these prospects for the first time, right?

01:10 It was the eight draftees, it was about 20 undrafted free agent invites, and then the

01:18 I think seven or eight.

01:20 What did their UDFA class end up at this point?

01:27 I guess after today's signings, it's 13 because it was nine going in.

01:32 Yeah.

01:33 Now it's 13.

01:34 So there was a good amount of prospects out there or rookies at this point now.

01:38 So I mean, I guess we could start right with the quarterbacks, Drake May and Joe Milton.

01:44 We've heard so much about those guys' arm and their arm strength, and that stood out

01:48 immediately on the practice fields, even though they weren't pushing the ball very far downfield.

01:53 They were doing a lot of short, quick game work, but like those arms are live and it's

01:57 a lot different than what they've obviously had here in the past, the last few years.

02:01 Yeah, it's just apparent.

02:03 It's very clear the way the ball pops out of their hands.

02:06 It's different.

02:07 It's different.

02:08 And this isn't necessarily a distance thing in terms of arm strength.

02:12 It's the, the, the RPMs, the MPH on the ball.

02:15 Like they can, they can reach different parts of the field with zip than, than Mack Jones

02:19 or Bailey's app.

02:20 He can.

02:21 There's going to be certain route combinations, certain parts of the field that are accessible

02:27 to them that haven't been for the past couple of years.

02:31 You saw, they were throwing some, um, some deep corners was really the one route that

02:36 the, the, the route that I think fits this the best.

02:39 They did a whole period of just throwing deep corners and it's the ball on the line, 25,

02:44 30, 35 yards down the field outside the numbers to the receiver.

02:48 That's not a throw they could make consistently, you know, in the past and you know, will it

02:54 be consistent now?

02:55 Obviously with Joe Milton, there's questions about that with Drake may, they're going to

02:58 work on his, his accuracy, but in terms of just getting it there, you're not going to

03:03 have ducks going down the field.

03:05 Like you're going to have balls on a rope going down the field.

03:07 Now the question becomes, can they consistently, you know, put it on the receivers?

03:11 Yeah.

03:12 Yeah.

03:13 There was one, it was may, I think it was during the seven on seven.

03:15 I forget the receiver, but it was just like, it's just like a little 10 yard curl hit route

03:20 outside the numbers, but he like drove that ball on a line and I was standing next to

03:25 Taylor.

03:26 I'm like that's a pass that their old quarterbacks might not even attempt.

03:29 And if it does, it probably is going to get picked off and maybe pick six the other way

03:33 because you know, the coverage was close.

03:35 The guy was right there, but it was just the arm strength to drive it outside the numbers.

03:39 And I think it was Javon Baker.

03:41 It might've been, but he was able to make kind of a contested catch there.

03:45 So plenty of power.

03:46 We did see, like he, he saw some of that maybe spray accuracy issues, which, you know, you

03:52 kind of expect, we saw that with them, um, coming from college, especially in the quick

03:58 game.

03:59 But again, like, and we can transition this kind of into Polk and Baker, like these guys

04:03 have big catch radiuses and really good hands and you saw them kind of be that accuracy

04:07 eraser eraser at times, uh, you know, going up and catching some, some of those passes

04:13 outside the frame.

04:14 So what'd you, what'd you see from the receivers?

04:16 You know, first look at them, Scott, to see how they move, uh, in person as well.

04:21 I think the big thing that, that stands out for me with the receivers is Jalen Polk moves

04:26 so much smoother than I expected.

04:28 He's a bigger guy, six, one, two, three, but his ability to get in and out of breaks, he

04:34 does a receiver that's much smaller.

04:36 And why that holds value is you kind of project him forward.

04:39 You project him into a role in this offense.

04:41 And he's a guy, I think you're going to want to have a rather diverse route tree.

04:45 So he's going to have to adapt and learn more routes, being able to get in and out of cuts

04:50 and cut easily and move quickly is part of what makes a good route runner.

04:54 So that has to transition into the route tree.

04:57 And that's something we'll learn when we get to camp in the preseason, but this was kind

05:00 of a, okay, there are elements there that lead you to believe he has the tools to make

05:07 that jump.

05:08 He asked, he actually has to make it.

05:10 That's another story.

05:11 And that's not what this weekend was for.

05:13 Gerard may have even said it was kind of introductory in the sense that yes, they studied these

05:17 guys on tape.

05:18 Yes, they meet with them, but you, you can only do so much in a four month span, right?

05:22 And get these guys on the field, work with them hands-on.

05:25 You don't have the kind of risk.

05:26 There are obviously significant restrictions.

05:28 The NFL puts a ton of restrictions on all these off season practices, but you don't

05:32 have the kind of restrictions you have at a pro day or a, even, even a pre-draft workout.

05:36 So you see the way he moves.

05:39 He's got, I keep going back to Jacoby Myers.

05:42 Like there's, I see a ton of similarities to where Jacoby Myers was as a rookie.

05:48 And now we see, you know, can they take the next steps there as for Javon Baker?

05:51 The one thing that stood out to me is he go out and snatch the ball.

05:58 That's what he does.

05:59 Um, there's some other things like he's a little too aggressive in his route running.

06:02 He's a little too impatient, but strong hands, good hands catcher.

06:05 Those are the kinds of guys that tend to succeed in New England, especially when it gets cold

06:09 and it gets wet.

06:10 Like you gotta be able to catch the ball away from your body and you gotta be able to secure

06:13 it outside of your frame.

06:15 And Baker looks like the kind of guy who can do that.

06:18 Yup.

06:19 The other thing with them just kind of off, like off the field.

06:21 The first thing I noticed with Polk was before practice even starts, he runs up the stairs,

06:26 right?

06:27 He's jumping.

06:28 Like I got like, I'm like, is Kendrick Bourne here right now?

06:30 Like what's going on?

06:31 But you know, really high energy guy, like good leader.

06:34 It seems like him and Baker were really close, you know, on the field, uh, poke and, and

06:40 Drake may to, you know, the yelling at each other, like, this is the guy right here as

06:44 they leave.

06:45 We saw him at the Bruins game, obviously last night, like, and we can talk about the lineman

06:48 too soon.

06:49 Like Caden, uh, Caden Wallace and laid Robinson said they'd been in separate role, uh, in

06:54 the facility.

06:55 So it seems like these guys are really like gelling well together off the field.

06:59 We talked about that, you know, during draft week is they really seem to target these kinds

07:03 of high character guys, guys who are captains, guys who are leaders in college.

07:08 And you're kind of seeing that translate now on the field.

07:10 And it sounds like it's translating, uh, in the locker room and in the meeting rooms as

07:14 well.

07:15 So, you know, I know we want to talk about on the field, but there's not much to take,

07:19 you know, from an hour rookie mini camp.

07:21 So it's nice to see kind of these other things that are, are translating off the field as

07:25 well.

07:26 Yeah.

07:27 Just, just seeing the way these guys seem to seem to gel, I think is encouraging because

07:31 this is not just a rookie class.

07:32 This is who you're looking at to be the core of the, you know, initial Elliott Wolf, Gerard

07:39 Mayo teams.

07:40 These are supposed to be cornerstone players.

07:41 So, uh, the fact that they seem to be getting along early is obviously encouraging.

07:45 Yep.

07:46 Uh, mention the offensive lineman though, we saw as we expected Caden Wallace right there

07:51 at left tackle.

07:52 They told us literally an hour after they drafted them, that that was the plan to switch

07:56 them from left tackle, uh, or from right tackle to left tackle.

08:01 Excuse me.

08:02 He seems very confident after about it.

08:03 He's like, yeah, I practice it all the time at Penn state.

08:06 I played left tackle, uh, in high school.

08:09 So he seems pretty, he's not worried about making, making the switch there, but he was

08:14 left tackle, uh, Laden Robinson, who actually played a hundred percent of his college snaps

08:18 at right guard was next to him next to Caden Wallace at left guard.

08:22 So maybe setting the stage there for a training camp competition with Cole strange at that,

08:27 at left spot, but, uh, maybe two rookies there are manning the left side there of the offensive

08:33 line come week one.

08:34 Well, the left side is, is where it is to be run one.

08:37 Like I think on the right side, Michael and windows city.

08:40 So you're locking that in and obviously David Andrews.

08:42 So the left side is where the spots are to be one.

08:44 And that seems to be where they're getting these guys ready to go.

08:46 I still have my reservations about Caden Wallace at left tackle as, as I do with Chuks, Corifor

08:51 as I do with any right tackle, trying to make that switch.

08:54 I actually think we need to talk about Calvin Anderson more in that position battle.

08:58 But if you're going to do it, you got to start getting them ready as soon as possible.

09:01 And it seems like that's the plan right now.

09:03 So they're not screwing around with this.

09:05 It's not, we're going to develop as a swing tackle that can hopefully play left.

09:08 Uh, it seems like the plan is for him to, to compete at left tackle and his focus in

09:13 the lead up to the season here is going to be at left tackle.

09:18 Did it make you feel any better?

09:19 Like how confident he was in the switch or is it still like, I'm

09:24 with you.

09:25 I have my reservation still like, cause you just don't know how it's going to look flipping

09:29 from the right side to the left side.

09:31 But he like, again, you said he did it all in high school.

09:34 You practiced it at Penn state, which I think Elliot Wolf told us that too, after the draft.

09:38 So just does like the confidence there, does that raise, I don't know, just make you feel

09:43 a little bit better.

09:44 I mean, like, look, I'm not going to say it makes me feel worse, but like, go out, okay,

09:49 go out and do it.

09:50 It's that kind of thing.

09:51 Like a lot of guys talk a big game about what they're going to do.

09:53 And I'm not saying that he's being too, too cocky or anything like I, he said all the

09:58 right things and I have no like good for him, but it's still got to translate.

10:01 It doesn't matter if it doesn't translate.

10:03 There's been a lot of players that said the right things and came out and just never made

10:07 it work.

10:08 Didn't work.

10:09 Right.

10:10 So, yep.

10:11 Um, let's see other draftees, Jaheim bell, anything from him, nothing to really take

10:18 away other than he seems to be right in that, in that court with, with may Polk and Baker

10:23 in terms of like, just being involved in the, in the whole chemistry building of it.

10:27 I mean, I'm, I'm so excited for him and look, we only really saw him use as a traditional

10:31 tight end.

10:32 They didn't do a ton of formational stuff.

10:33 Anyway, it was mostly just individual.

10:35 The couple of formational things we saw, he was playing traditional tight end, but this

10:38 was just, this was very basic technique stuff.

10:41 I don't think anything they did with the receivers is super indicative of use, especially for

10:46 a guy like bell, who's probably going to have a role that's a little deeper in the playbook.

10:51 Interesting how to talk to though.

10:52 Fun guy to talk to.

10:53 He's going to be, uh, he's going to be interesting as the year goes on.

10:56 If you assume he makes the team said he, uh, he didn't know Gerard Mayo was the head coach

10:59 when he visited, uh, cause he thought he was one of the players, uh, just the way he was

11:04 acting.

11:05 And then he said that anything under 60, he's in long sleeves and sweatpants cause he's

11:09 from Florida.

11:10 So he, he, he's in for a bit of a rude awakening.

11:13 Hey, you got a good taste of the, uh, new England weather Saturday.

11:16 It was like the sun was out and you're sweating and then the clouds come and you're freezing

11:20 and the wind picked up.

11:21 But, um, uh, yeah, there were only, I was just looking quick at the, I found the roster.

11:27 There were only three tight ends there total.

11:29 So not much to look at from like a positional point of view.

11:31 The one thing that got me kind of excited was him.

11:34 There was one point Drake may, it was like a play action bootleg and they just, you know,

11:39 ran a bell on like kind of a skinny shallow crosser and he hit them and it was just like,

11:45 that's the role you kind of project him in where you get them the ball, you get a move

11:48 and you get them the ball and then you let it kind of his yards after the catch skills,

11:52 uh, take over.

11:53 So that, that was the one kind of thing from bell that stood out.

11:57 I'm like that, that, that's how we kind of projected them to be used.

12:00 Like I could see that, uh, kind of taking shape, uh, when he gets more of a, you know,

12:06 concrete role throughout training camp.

12:08 But um, I mean, Marcellus dial, it was, it was tough to look into the defensive guys

12:15 really throughout, throughout the day with, with no contact, but, um, anything from him

12:21 or like anyone else kind of, we can talk about the guys they signed too, but anyone else

12:25 like just kind of stand out to you at all throughout the day.

12:29 I was a little bummed that Zuri Henry wasn't there.

12:32 The only rookie they have with actual left tackle experience, a kid out of UTEP and then

12:36 he was the only absence.

12:37 I mean, I watched Deshaun Fenwick a little bit, um, thought, you know, not in pads.

12:41 He moved well for a guy as size.

12:43 I'm not going to tell you he's Dion, Dion Lewis.

12:46 Um, but I still think that he's, you know, they, they, they didn't need to do running

12:51 back drills.

12:52 They really didn't.

12:53 That's not something they need to focus on.

12:54 And they did.

12:55 So I think they're getting him ready, gearing him up.

12:56 Cause I do think he's going to compete with, uh, Kevin Harris.

13:01 Yep.

13:02 Uh, unfortunately they didn't show us the kickers.

13:05 They were down on the bottom field, so we didn't, we didn't get a look at them.

13:09 Uh, we can talk about, they signed four guys today.

13:13 Uh, we had a little movement in the running back room.

13:16 They released to Sean Vaughn who they claimed off waivers, I believe at the end of last

13:21 year.

13:22 So he's been around and they, uh, signed Terrell Jennings who was at Florida A and M I believe

13:28 six foot 217 pounder, uh, played 13 games last year, 120 rushing attempts for 700, four

13:34 yards, 10 touchdowns, uh, two guys on the defense side of the ball in Jay person, a

13:40 linebacker in Jotham Russell and Australian defensive end who they got an international

13:46 pathway program, uh, exemption for him.

13:49 So he doesn't count against the 90 man roster, something they've had before with, you know,

13:53 Yakub Johnson, they've had these guys in.

13:55 So, uh, get the Australian defensive end in there.

13:58 And then they added a guard to, and Ryan Johnson, six foot, six foot, two 306 a pound guard

14:04 there.

14:05 So for these kind of rookie mini camp, tryout guys, uh, land deals here.

14:10 I don't know.

14:11 I mean, are you expecting anything out of them?

14:12 It'll be fun to see this, uh, you know, Australian defensive end go, but, uh, just kind of some

14:18 depth at a few spots there.

14:21 Yeah, that's, that's pretty much where I'm at.

14:23 Uh, we'll, we'll see.

14:24 I don't know in there.

14:25 Most of them are positions where the Patriots have a ton of depth.

14:28 So, um, well, we'll see.

14:31 Uh, but I, I think the, the original UDF is probably a stronger case.

14:35 Yep.

14:36 Former Australian rugby player who converted to defensive end six, four, two 39.

14:41 We're just six, four, two 39.

14:44 I had him on here at, Oh no, I'm thinking of the other guy they signed.

14:48 Um, uh, person.

14:51 Yeah.

14:52 He's a little smaller.

14:53 I just realized I'm holding my paper up in front of the camera.

14:56 Like I got mine.

14:58 So I know, but I'm holding it up here.

15:00 Like I totally forgetting I'm on camera.

15:02 Just like, where is it?

15:03 We can just hold both of them up.

15:04 Yeah, that's, that's good.

15:05 That's, that's the podcasting right there.

15:08 Um, person is six, two, two 37.

15:12 Yeah.

15:13 She's a little smaller.

15:15 Yep.

15:16 Yeah.

15:17 So we'll see some depth there, but, um, anything, anything else?

15:22 Rookie mini camp recap.

15:24 I think that the one other notable thing is just the way the coaching staff worked and

15:28 it does seem like it's Alex van Pelt and Drake may, and that's the bearing and TC McCartney

15:32 worked a little bit with may a little bit with, with Joe Milton.

15:35 Um, you saw Evan Rothstein or with the quarterbacks, but I think he was just kind of observing

15:39 more than anything else.

15:40 Uh, it, it, and Ben McAdoo was over there as well.

15:44 But again, I think he was, there was one point we saw him working with Milton, but it does

15:47 seem like Alex van Pelt, Drake may that's those two are working together and then everybody

15:52 else is doing their things on top of that, but they're, they're having van Pelton and

15:55 Mayo told us and helped be the lead man in terms of getting Drake may ready.

15:59 And, uh, it, it, it looked, it looked like that when we got out on the field.

16:04 Yep.

16:05 Yeah.

16:06 They even posted that, that picture of the, all the rookies together after the practice.

16:09 And it's literally like Drake may and Alex van Pelt is right over his shoulder in his

16:14 ear.

16:15 So just kind of fitting how that, that worked out.

16:17 But, uh, yeah, that was rookie mini camp, uh, recap.

16:21 It is in the books.

16:22 They finished up Sunday.

16:24 So we'll get our next look at them on when OTAs begin next week, I think a week from

16:29 today, right?

16:30 It starts Monday the 20th and I think we'll be there as well.

16:34 So that's the next time we'll see the rookie class in live action, but let's take a very

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18:00 All right.

18:03 So we have a schedule coming up on Wednesday release, but before we very quickly talk about

18:09 that, we do have our executive vice president of player personnel that search wrapped up

18:14 on Saturday and Elliot Wolf, uh, as we kind of all expected, uh, officially got the job

18:19 there.

18:20 Again, we all, we all saw that coming, but it was just kind of good to see, um, that

18:25 that'd be official and that confirmed with Wolf there.

18:28 Yeah.

18:29 Again, they got it right.

18:30 They got it right.

18:31 They did what they needed to do.

18:32 Um, he, you give him the power to, and I'm not saying they were wrong, but you give him

18:37 the power to put together the roster, spend all the money he spent, um, use the third

18:43 overall draft pick.

18:45 That's your guy.

18:46 That's that, that's your guy.

18:47 That's just, they invested too much to then suddenly turn the keys over to somebody else

18:52 who might have a different vision.

18:53 Yup.

18:54 Yup.

18:55 That's where it seemed to be headed, but, um, and should have been headed after, you

19:00 know, like, like you said, he, he had the keys to the car there throughout the whole

19:03 off season, but, uh, we have our schedule.

19:06 It is coming Wednesday, officially announced Wednesday, I believe eight o'clock 8:00 PM

19:11 Eastern time is when they, uh, announce it, but we'll get our leaks and rumors and everything

19:15 all throughout the day, a fun day.

19:18 But, um, the only concrete thing or not, I guess not concrete, but Mike Reese reported

19:23 that the Philadelphia Eagles are coming to the preseason and week two, and it will have

19:28 a joint practice, just one joint practice session, uh, with them.

19:32 But outside of that, what are you kind of looking at for the schedule coming out here?

19:39 I think you're looking really for two things and, and they both relate to Drake may and

19:44 you know, when's he going to start.

19:46 Right.

19:47 I should say three things.

19:49 Um, the bi-week the Thursday night game, the West coast road trip, because you want to

19:54 find if he doesn't start the season week one, you want to find a logical spot for him to

19:58 take over and the bi-week helps you get extra time to prepare them coming off the Thursday

20:02 night game.

20:03 It's a little more extra time.

20:04 So something like that.

20:05 And do they want to be getting him ready out in the West coast at another facility, or

20:10 maybe they don't have everything they'd usually have.

20:13 So we did this in 2021 with Mack Jones that ended up being a fool's errands, but I, a

20:17 fool's errand, but I think we'll do it again where we'll get the schedule and all right,

20:21 here's the bi, you know, here's the Thursday night game.

20:24 Maybe there's another with the Monday night game.

20:26 You get an extra day or something like that.

20:28 I know there's a lot of speculation.

20:29 They'll go to London as well.

20:31 I don't know that you want to making his first start in London.

20:33 You look at the opponents when San Francisco, I don't think you want to making his first

20:37 start against that defense.

20:38 And that will probably be what most of the schedule reaction is, is where, where, where

20:47 does it make the most sense?

20:48 If Drake may doesn't start week one to, to give him the keys.

20:52 Is there an ideal spot for you?

20:55 Like assuming he doesn't earn the job out of camp week one, is there like an ideal timeframe

21:00 where you're like, well, Ernie Adams always says the best bi-week is week 10.

21:04 And who am I to, to doubt Ernie Adams or something like that?

21:08 So I always look for the bi-week.

21:09 I think anything really between like eight and 10 is kind of in that sweet spot.

21:14 So, you know, you don't want like a week four by you don't want 2021.

21:17 We were worried because their bi-week was like week 13.

21:19 It was the latest, not only was it the latest bi-week that year is the latest the NFL had

21:23 ever put in a bi-week.

21:24 It was ridiculous.

21:25 Um, and then their Thursday night game was super late too.

21:28 So it was like, no, they're just going to have to do this on a regular week, except

21:31 obviously they didn't.

21:32 So yeah, I, I think probably in the middle of the season.

21:38 And then what I would hope is you have the Thursday night game in October, say like early

21:44 October.

21:45 Right.

21:46 So call it week four, five, six, something like that.

21:49 And that's your first chance to make the switch.

21:51 And then if you don't make it, then throw the bi-week eight, nine, 10.

21:55 And then there's your second chance.

21:56 I think if you get to Halloween and he's still not starting like one, what's gone wrong

22:02 to at that point, there should be enough going on behind the scenes that you don't need the

22:06 extra lead up time.

22:08 If it's going to be early on like a month in, yeah, it might help.

22:11 I, you know, as bill Belichick used to, used to always say, there's no such things as rookies

22:15 once you get past Thanksgiving.

22:16 So, um, and I, can they play Thanksgiving game this year?

22:20 No, they don't play Detroit or Dallas.

22:22 I guess they could get the late one, but I always look for that.

22:25 The week 12 bi-week is the one I want.

22:27 Cause that's, that's Thanksgiving, right?

22:29 Yeah.

22:30 Cause that's one it's Thanksgiving.

22:31 It's my favorite holiday.

22:33 I just want to eat myself into a coma.

22:35 It's tough to do that when I got to go to work on Friday and Sunday.

22:37 Um, I know it's a tough life.

22:39 I got to go watch football.

22:40 Um, but the other thing is I've always wanted to go to the iron boat.

22:45 I can't go off to Patriots have a game.

22:47 So a couple of years ago they played on Thursday, but for other reasons I couldn't go that suck.

22:51 So all I've ever wanted is a week 12 by we'll see if this is the year knock on wood love

22:57 week 12 favorite week of the year, which is, it's, it's a great, you get all the Thanksgiving

23:01 football, which is great.

23:03 You get a college football rivalry weekend.

23:05 I don't want to be working that week.

23:07 I perfectly fine if the Patriots are not a part of that, or at the very least, if they

23:10 play on Thursday or we could get like the Wednesday Christmas game, isn't that a thing

23:16 this year?

23:17 Hell no.

23:18 I'm not on that one.

23:19 I don't think the Patriots, the level that they're going to put on, on that, but so far

23:23 out on that, that's, I mean, does it have to be, well, that's late in the, isn't that

23:31 like week 14 or 15?

23:33 Cause it would be, yeah.

23:34 A month after week 12, which is Thanksgiving.

23:37 So yeah, well like week 15, 16.

23:39 So that they're not even going to be able to have teams like come off a bi-week and

23:43 do that.

23:44 Right.

23:45 It's just going to be, I have no idea what that's going to look like.

23:47 Cause it shouldn't happen.

23:49 It shouldn't.

23:50 So we're just saying they're making it up as they go.

23:52 I think.

23:53 And it's on Netflix too.

23:54 So it's on Netflix.

23:56 Get out of here.

23:57 Stop.

23:58 Sunday football, three networks, one game on Monday, maybe one game on Thursday.

24:03 It's too much.

24:04 They're watering down the product.

24:05 I hate it.

24:06 It's really annoying.

24:07 And it's, I know it sounds stupid.

24:09 It's I think it's ultimately bad for the game.

24:11 I really do.

24:13 I mean, yeah.

24:14 Like players just come out and say, even the Thursday night games, they say like this sucks.

24:19 So when they first started doing Thursday, it was after Thanksgiving, like Thanksgiving

24:25 was the first week of Thursday night football.

24:27 And it was, it was weeks 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

24:31 Cause the time was only 17 weeks.

24:33 That was perfect.

24:34 Cause at that point in the year, you're already kind of in a rhythm.

24:38 You're already, you know, you don't need, you don't need to spend as be as vigorous

24:43 as practice.

24:44 Cause everybody knows what they're doing.

24:45 A lot of the times those games were the second meeting between divisional teams.

24:50 So you weren't starting from scratch on a team now that they can flex Thursday, all

24:56 the more reason to go back to that.

24:57 You can guarantee they're good games.

24:59 Just go back to November and December, Thursday night football.

25:02 Honestly, if they want to make up the games, here's what I would do because, um, they can't

25:08 play on Saturdays cause some antitrust thing from like the sixties, Thursdays and Saturdays

25:15 from Thanksgiving on give me Sunday and Monday to start the season Thursday, Saturday, Sunday,

25:21 Monday from Thanksgiving on I'd say Friday would be great, but there's another whole

25:25 ridiculous antitrust thing in there.

25:28 They sneak Friday games in there occasionally.

25:30 Don't they?

25:31 They did last year for Christmas and they had to get a whole, uh, like waiver from the

25:37 government to do it.

25:38 Stupid.

25:39 It's all very stupid.

25:41 It all goes way back to things that just don't make sense.

25:45 Yep.

25:46 NFL is King though.

25:47 They put it on people.

25:48 Oh yes.

25:50 People will watch, but, um, yeah, you mentioned looks like they're going to play in London

25:56 again.

25:57 They obviously did Germany last year.

25:58 That could be Jaguars, Drake Bay versus Mack Jones.

26:03 Anybody in London?

26:04 Uh, but yeah, it's a tough, tough schedule opponent wise.

26:09 We'll obviously see how the weeks shake out and everything, but, uh, they got, they got

26:14 their money's worth for a fourth place schedule.

26:16 They got kind of screwed with Joe Burrow getting hurt.

26:19 So the bangles are on the last place schedule.

26:22 The bears, you know, they look like they're going to have a good year with Caleb Williams

26:26 and some of the pieces they got offensively.

26:30 The AFC South, you have the Texans, uh, the Colts look good.

26:36 The Jaguars obviously with Trevor Lawrence and then the NFC West, the Niners, the Rams,

26:41 the Seahawks.

26:42 Um, so it's a tough schedule, uh, team team wise.

26:47 So hopefully they can get some help with how these, these kinds of games, uh, shake out

26:51 rest wise and all of that.

26:53 But, uh, any, any last thoughts there on that?

26:56 We'll obviously be, you know, our, our Thursday show we'll go through most of that.

27:00 Uh, that'll, that'll be what that's about.

27:03 But any other last, last quick thoughts there?

27:06 Um, nah, I think that's it.

27:09 Yeah.

27:10 We'll just, we'll, we'll wait till Thursday.

27:11 We'll see.

27:12 Who do you want to open against?

27:13 Just open a home.

27:14 I don't really care.

27:15 Just open at home.

27:16 All right.

27:17 I don't think they will.

27:18 Cause they had like five home openers in a row.

27:22 And then last year they were at home.

27:24 I think they've opened once on the road in the last like seven years.

27:27 So they're due, but it's always fun.

27:30 Let's open in Tennessee because the last time we opened in Tennessee, our rookies Chandler

27:36 Jones and we're awesome.

27:39 So let's, let's run that one back.

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29:32 I heard Drake May and Jalen Polk use game time to go to the Bruins game last night down

29:39 with the people.

29:40 We got in the front row.

29:41 Yeah, through the suite.

29:43 We are going on the glass.

29:46 If anyone hasn't seen it go, I think the NHL was the NHL.

29:49 The NHL tweeted out.

29:51 They were mic'd up for the game.

29:53 It was a really awesome like minute 30 clip of May and Polk at the Bruins game last night.

29:58 But unfortunately they saw a bad one because I don't know.

30:05 I don't know what's going on with them.

30:06 I'll say the Bruins are not playing well offensively.

30:11 They are the worst team than Florida on paper on the ice.

30:15 I mean, it's like 50 shots last three games.

30:18 They are playing horrible hockey, but they also got screwed big time last night.

30:23 That was just a horrible call with the guy who Sam Bennett, who shouldn't even been on

30:29 the ice because he sucker punched Brad Marsh on the player.

30:32 Department of player safety had nothing to say about that.

30:35 And then he gets away with the cross check goal interference like that.

30:39 That was just horrible last night.

30:40 And I see everyone saying, oh, they got outshot.

30:44 They got outplayed.

30:45 They didn't deserve to win the game.

30:47 And I mean, they got outplayed, but Vancouver two hours later, they got outshot 42 18 and

30:54 they still won the game.

30:55 So they've been getting outplayed.

30:56 They need to play better hockey, but it's frustrating when the game was right there

31:01 and maybe they could have tied up the series even while getting outplayed.

31:05 And then the refs kind of kind of dictated that because you can't beat Florida and the

31:09 refs there, they're too much compiled for this version of this Bruins team.

31:14 Yeah.

31:15 So I'll start with the shots.

31:17 Look, I know people say in Jim Montgomery and Don Sweeney both talked about.

31:22 They're not a high volume shooting team.

31:24 That was the one thing they were willing to say.

31:25 They weren't willing to talk about the rest, but they're willing to talk about that.

31:28 You don't have to be a volume shooting team.

31:32 Nobody is asking for 50 shots on goal game in the regular season.

31:36 The Bruins had a negative shot differential.

31:38 The average shot differential was 28 to 30, but they got 28 shots.

31:44 Nobody's asking for 50, but it can't be freaking five either.

31:47 Yeah.

31:48 Especially when the goalie and Bobrovsky can't see the puck right now.

31:52 He's got what an eight 80.

31:54 They had two goals on five shots in the first period.

31:56 It doesn't need to be perfect.

31:58 It doesn't need to be perfect.

32:00 Get the, this is a team.

32:01 You have James Van Ream's like you have Pat Marone, you have Charlie coil, get the puck

32:06 on net score, dirty goals.

32:09 I'm sorry.

32:10 You're not a sniping team.

32:11 That's not what they are.

32:12 David Poster not can do his thing.

32:13 Not everybody's David Poster knock.

32:14 So shoot the freaking puck and the comments from the coach and the general manager tell

32:19 me they don't think that part's an issue when in reality, yes, they've had some issues clearing

32:25 the puck from their defensive end.

32:26 Yes.

32:27 Turnover's been a problem.

32:28 The biggest issue is they're just not putting the puck on the net and I don't think the

32:30 people in charge either.

32:32 They don't see it that way or they just don't care.

32:35 As for the penalties, egregious, egregious officiating last night, that being said, so

32:42 here, here's what I do with officiating.

32:44 This is my personal.

32:45 Was this your one game?

32:47 So yeah, you've heard me say that.

32:48 I thought of that immediately after that game.

32:50 You don't know because I don't like to be the person that blames officials.

32:53 I believe maybe not over the course of a game, but over the course of whatever it, it, it

32:58 all evens out.

32:59 Right?

33:00 So I give myself one game all across all sports calendar year to blame the officials.

33:07 I usually save it for football season.

33:09 After that game last night, I said I was going to sleep on it.

33:11 Here's what I'm going to say though, Brian, even after the blown interference call, the

33:17 blown interference review, it is a three to two game with 1220 to go.

33:23 That is a game that a team with a championship medal looks at and says, we're not going to

33:29 let this disrupt us.

33:30 We're not going to let this bother us.

33:31 Let's go back.

33:32 Let's tie this game up.

33:35 Instead they turtled.

33:36 They did not get another shot on goal.

33:39 The rest of the night, even before that, they let that Barkov goal.

33:43 They just let him walk right through them.

33:46 That was the easiest thing of all time.

33:48 That was the game winning goal.

33:51 That's not my game.

33:52 I'll sit here and say the officials are terrible.

33:55 And they were, and the one thing I wish both Montgomery and Sweeney had gone after the

34:00 rest, take the fine.

34:01 Yes.

34:02 You've built this whole culture where, you know, people want to come play for the Bruins

34:08 and it's all about sacrifice and commitment to the team and all that.

34:11 You won't take the fun for your players.

34:13 It needs to be something a little more than that.

34:16 That being said, and the one thing I think Sweeney was right about today is the officials

34:21 should be held accountable.

34:22 And there's a questionable call in an NFL game.

34:25 Brian, we send Mike Reese down and he talks to the ref and we get a pool report.

34:30 We get an explanation.

34:32 The NHL doesn't do that.

34:34 They should.

34:35 Every other league does.

34:36 Baseball makes an umpire available.

34:38 The NBA does the same thing in terms of pool reports.

34:41 The refs aren't available after every game, but if something comes up, somebody representative

34:45 will go talk.

34:46 They have like the two minute report too.

34:48 Yeah.

34:49 They have the last two minute report as well.

34:50 The next day, the NHL does none of this.

34:52 And especially in the age of sports betting, it needs to be done.

34:56 It needs to be done.

34:57 That all being said, and the rest are terrible.

34:59 They're not why the Bruins lost.

35:00 They're not why the Bruins are down three, one.

35:02 They're down three, one because they refuse to shoot a freaking puck.

35:05 Yeah.

35:06 You just can't have that.

35:07 I mean, even when they were up to nothing, you're like, they're getting outplayed right

35:10 now.

35:11 Like the Panthers are, and again, the Panthers are the better team on paper and on the ice,

35:16 but the disconnect is what's concerning between Sweeney and Montgomery saying, you know, we're

35:22 not a high volume shooting team.

35:25 We like quality over quantity.

35:27 And then Pat Maroon gets in front of the mic where side note, why is Pat Maroon the one

35:31 who, you know, I love what Pat Maroon has brought to this team, but why is he the one

35:35 standing in front of the media today?

35:36 Like answering for this, it should be a guy with a letter on his, on his chest.

35:41 I know Marsha and can't right now, but, um, but yeah, Pat Maroon getting up there and

35:45 saying we need to put more pucks on net.

35:48 So there's a disconcern, a disconnect there.

35:52 It seems like, which is, which is concerning, but, uh, yeah, I wish Monty got up there and

35:59 looked for a fine.

36:00 Uh, instead he said, you know, I think the league handles as well.

36:03 I didn't love that.

36:04 I wish pasta could call him out.

36:06 Like he called pasta out.

36:07 And then I thought Sweeney was going to go all scorched earth on us today when he schedules

36:11 a press conference.

36:12 But, uh, he kind of blasted the NHL without blasting the NHL and getting a fine, but, uh,

36:20 it's frustrating, but three, one doesn't look good, but who knows hockey is hockey.

36:26 Maybe Jeremy Swainman can steal you three more games here and absolutely stand on his

36:31 head.

36:32 But, um, Celtics up to one Donovan Mitchell out for the Cavs tonight.

36:37 That should just be three, one easy work for them.

36:40 It should be, but I'll say this, I just did this.

36:43 I feel like it's the same problem in the complete opposite problem with the Bruins and the Celtics.

36:48 Now Celtics are a better team.

36:49 They're playing lesser opponents.

36:50 So this is more of a down the road projecting kind of thing than an immediate thing.

36:55 But neither one of them will make in game adjustments.

36:58 Neither one of them, they both refuse.

36:59 They go in with the game plan.

37:00 They bang their head against the wall for the Bruins.

37:04 They refuse to shoot for the Celtics.

37:07 It's too much shooting.

37:09 It's too much.

37:10 Just go down, Jack up a three.

37:11 They need to attack the basket.

37:14 Give me pick and rolls when they, I think what changed in game three and they have made

37:18 game to game adjustments, which the Bruins haven't done.

37:21 They may, there was more of an emphasis, especially from Jason Tatum of getting to the basket,

37:26 whether that was off the ball, you know, drive and kick, whether that was putting us back

37:31 to the basket and then working off of that, he had the one really nice spin move against

37:34 Karis LeVert.

37:35 They, they, it needs to be more than three.

37:39 The three pointer can be your main weapon and that's all well and good.

37:42 And when the Celtics have it going, they are unbeatable, but, and that will beat most of

37:47 the teams in this league, but not all.

37:50 When you get to Denver, when you get to Minnesota, whoever it is in the final, you are going

37:53 to need a plan B. You are going to need a left jab to compliment the right hook.

37:58 And it's a lot, I think with Porzingis it's easier because they can run the pick and roll

38:02 with him and he has such an excellent back to the basket player.

38:05 And it was an issue.

38:06 This, this whole thing of not having a plan B didn't feel like as much of an issue this

38:10 year as it did in the past.

38:11 And Porzingis was a big part of that.

38:13 We'll see when he comes back, hopefully they lock this thing up tonight.

38:16 If they do that, they could get, or lock this thing up Wednesday.

38:19 If they do that, they could get about a week off.

38:21 Cause boy, that, that Knicks Pacers series feels like it's going seven.

38:24 We know it's going to at least six.

38:27 They got a plan B. That being said, it was really good to see Jason Tatum get going in

38:31 game three.

38:33 I think he needed that.

38:34 I think the team needed that.

38:35 Let's see if he can keep it going tonight.

38:37 Do not let up because Donovan Mitchell is out.

38:39 Yes.

38:40 Do not let up.

38:41 They should win by 30 tonight.

38:43 Break the spirits of the Cavs heading back to Boston.

38:45 Get this thing done in five, get that rest.

38:48 And then we can start talking about when Chris stops, Porzingis comes back.

38:51 Yeah.

38:52 Yeah.

38:53 I think we talked about it before the playoff started.

38:54 Just wrap these up as quickly as possible, especially now that Chris stops has hurt.

38:59 Just wrap these up, get as much rest.

39:01 Uh, cause some of those Western conference, like even now the nuggets are getting tested

39:05 by the Timberwolves that might go a seven, obviously going six, but you know, those teams

39:10 are going to beat each other up over this path.

39:13 So as much rest as you can get, uh, you need it.

39:16 So wrap this up, you know, keep your foot on your gas, even without a Donovan Mitchell

39:21 in the lineup and just blow them out again.

39:24 Just blow them out there.

39:25 They're the Cavs without Jared Allen, without Donovan Mitchell, just blow them out.

39:27 But yeah, uh, we can wrap it up there.

39:30 We will get everyone on their way to go watch that C's game.

39:33 I think it's seven o'clock, right?

39:35 So I mean, seven 15 tip or seven 20 tip, whatever.

39:38 But um, we will be back on Thursday.

39:42 We will have a schedule to break down and any other Patriots news that comes across

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