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00:00we go. What's going on
00:09everybody welcome back into
00:11another edition of the Patriots
00:12daily podcast here on the C. L.
00:14N. S. media network I am Mike
00:16Adler in for Taylor Kyle's
00:18joined by Alex Barth we have a
00:19little Patriots beat throwback
00:21here- I don't think I've seen
00:23myself and Barth on a screen
00:25together alone for- for a
00:26little while now we did my one
00:28and a half years ago. I don't
00:30remember the name it's your
00:31podcast plug it could be I
00:33thought. I would like to hide
00:35the mic go check it out it's in
00:37my Twitter bio behind the mic-
00:39where we peel back the curtain
00:40on the sports media industry
00:41but that's not what this is
00:42this is Patriots daily. And
00:44we're here for a mailbag
00:46episode it's the offseason
00:47things are slow- but- there's
00:50always- there's always
00:51questions as always Patriots
00:52stop and Alex mean you haven't
00:54chopped up Patriots in quite
00:55some time- at least for the
00:57offseason we'll- get together
00:59but- I guess we'll start with
01:01this one and we can preface it
01:03with- the Devon Godshaw news
01:06because- me and Taylor talked
01:08about this a lot we have a
01:09couple Patriots daily- shows
01:11coming out on YouTube over the
01:12course of you know today and
01:14tomorrow- but Devon Godshaw is
01:17in the news because- he
01:18actually tweeted out his- sort
01:21of side of things and thoughts
01:22on their contract negotiations
01:24saying that he wants to sign
01:25here he wants to remain a
01:27retired here- but that it has
01:29to be good for his- him and his
01:30team and you know both parties
01:32etc so from the old man mob
01:35should the Pats give Devon
01:36Godshaw a new contract and if
01:38so what should the deal look
01:40like- Alex what do you think
01:41about this one what do you
01:41think and- what do you think of
01:43the question and then your read
01:44on the- Godshaw situation as a
01:45whole. Yeah I so and I talked
01:48about this I catch twenty two
01:49earlier today with Evan like I
01:51don't think. You want to be
01:53careful giving every single
01:55person who asks for more money
01:57more money. Right and you don't
01:59want to set that precedent and
02:01I'm not saying Devon Godshaw's
02:02where you draw the line I
02:03actually think the line is
02:05somewhere between him and Josh
02:07Uche asking it and we don't know
02:08this for sure but Joshua Uche
02:10was mentioned in. Mike Reese's
02:12Sunday notes as a player who
02:13might be looking for new
02:14contract. Dude you just signed
02:15you haven't played again yeah
02:16right as you signed your last
02:17call you took the hometown
02:18discount like you can't just
02:20kind of rescind all right right
02:21that the line definitely exists
02:22somewhere in between there.
02:24What I'd say with Godshaw's he's
02:25thirty he does play his role
02:29well and it is an important role
02:31but I wouldn't call it an
02:31expansive role. And there you
02:35can get good defensive tackles
02:37now in the draft I mean we we
02:38see really good early down nose
02:41tackles fall in the draft
02:43because some teams just don't
02:44value that position we see guys
02:46come a little cheaper and free
02:47agency. That being said they are
02:49trying to establish a culture
02:50he's an important locker room
02:51guy I kind of look at where not
02:55defensive tackles like I don't
02:57factor in Chris Jones right when
02:58I look at his evaluation because
03:00Christian is obviously a very
03:01different player does very
03:02different things right is Devon
03:04gotcha under paid for his
03:05position a little bit what I
03:08would do he has like a million
03:10dollars in roster bonuses and I
03:12think that's probably part of
03:13where his concern comes from is
03:15he's an older player plays a
03:16very physical position in a
03:18contract here if he gets hurt he
03:19doesn't want to be left out to
03:20try you convert some of those
03:23roster bonuses maybe to
03:24guaranteed money yeah you give
03:26him a little bump that way I
03:27don't know that I'd extend him
03:29significantly maybe as far as I
03:31go if he if the money's not bad
03:33I'd give him a year but I'm not
03:37rushing to give a fully reworked
03:39contract to a 30 year old nose
03:41tackle yeah I'm I'm pretty much
03:43with you on all of that I think
03:45I wrote about this a little bit
03:46today for CLNS media.com I'm
03:48doing my depth projections on
03:50all the position groups heading
03:51into training camp and I touched
03:53on the defensive line first
03:54partly because of God being in
03:56the news and like you mentioned
03:58they're sort of doing this thing
03:59where they're rewarding all
04:00their guys right and right you
04:02know it's obviously good and but
04:04you also can't really set that
04:05precedent as you mentioned have
04:07to pay everybody and look God
04:09are you right he's 30 and he or
04:1229 going on 30 and that room is
04:14already starting to get younger
04:16the for one of the first moves
04:17this new regime made was cutting
04:19bait with Lawrence guy and
04:20saying hey you can go you know I
04:22don't know if he wants to ring
04:23chase or kind of go to your own
04:24thing but we're rebuilding here
04:25we're trying to get younger the
04:27next step could be saying look
04:28Devon God job you're great but
04:31you're 29 and we have guys in
04:33you know Jeremiah farms and even
04:36Daniel quiet who's a little bit
04:37older but you know not asking for
04:39that much money you can just say
04:41look it was great we appreciate
04:43you but we're not going to do
04:45this and then it's up to him
04:46whether he wants to continue
04:47this hold in whether he wants to
04:48maybe be traded I don't know if
04:50they could trade him I wrote
04:51about him as a trade candidate
04:52because like you said he's in
04:53that final year but I don't see
04:56him getting I'm with you that it
04:59should be more so a you know
05:01here's the guaranteed money that
05:02you know he has no guaranteed
05:03money here's what you're
05:04supposed to be making we'll give
05:06it to you up front you don't
05:07really need to extend them you
05:08got you have guys in the
05:09defensive line room you just you
05:11just signed Christian bar more
05:12to a you know a fat extension you
05:14don't need to continue to
05:15rebuild this room that's
05:16already pretty good and has some
05:17guys you know sort of in the in
05:19the cockpit if you will so I'm
05:21with you I don't see this being
05:22a a necessary move for them I
05:25think this is the one where they
05:26could sort of hold out and kind
05:28of play hardball with him so
05:30let's go to another one here
05:32this is from Tim Naughton this
05:33is another one I feel like we
05:35answer this every single week on
05:36our Patriots daily mailbags but
05:38he's also in the news again he
05:39did meet with the 49ers there
05:41was a rumor that he also might
05:44have requested a trade to
05:45Washington because he's good
05:46friends with Jaden Daniels so
05:48what is your thought on IU quit
05:50the Patriots what what should be
05:52the price draft picks and salary
05:54and ultimately should the
05:55Patriots do it yeah I I mean
05:59should they do it let's see what
06:01the price is I I think it's
06:03going to be costly because
06:04there's really you don't just
06:07have to give up what Brandon I
06:09you because worth which is
06:10probably a top 50 pick so for
06:12them that's a second round pick
06:13but you're going to have to
06:15outbid other teams right so like
06:17what some people have said it's
06:18all right well if you have the
06:21Chiefs come in and you pencil
06:22them in for a pick that starts
06:24with a three in the first round
06:25right 30 31 32 and you're the
06:27Patriots you can offer like a
06:29pick that's probably also going
06:31to start with a 335 36 37
06:33something like that okay can you
06:35also offer like a fourth round
06:37pick to sway it okay well then
06:39what happens when the Chiefs add
06:40a fourth because they might do
06:42that and you can keep going up
06:43and up like that there's also
06:45the element of the Niners are
06:46playing for a Super Bowl Kyle
06:48Shanahan is entering his eighth
06:49year at the head of the Niners
06:52without a ring there is not one
06:54and talking a while there there
06:57do one there's not one active
07:00coach who's been with his team
07:01longer without a ring than Kyle
07:02Shanahan so they're all in like
07:06it it there's yes they could
07:09move I you can get something
07:10back for him I guess that's the
07:12incentive but is that greater
07:14incentive than having a
07:16maximized roster to try to chase
07:18a ring I don't think it is
07:19especially when you factor in
07:20that Debo Samuel has struggled
07:22with injuries and we heard this
07:23at the at the draft and I think
07:24a lot of people have forgotten
07:25about it remember when the
07:28Niners are going to try to trade
07:29Debo before they're going to try
07:30to trade Brandon Iuke like what
07:31happened to that maybe that
07:33comes back into play so that all
07:35being said let's say you
07:36actually get on the phone for
07:37him it's definitely going to cost
07:39you your second pick and then I
07:41think on top of that I think it's
07:43going to cost your second your
07:45fourth and then probably one more
07:47middle round pick to get it done
07:49that's a lot for a team that
07:50still has a ton of needs on top
07:53of that you're probably going to
07:54need to pay them high 20s per in
07:58terms of salary yeah it's a lot
08:00I'm not saying they shouldn't do
08:01it but that's a lot you know to
08:03rush into that right now without
08:06seeing the rest of them here's
08:06like I don't think I use getting
08:08dealt okay at least not maybe we
08:11get to the right maybe we get to
08:12the trade deadline and maybe they
08:14have a but the niners a bunch of
08:15injuries and it's going to be a
08:16down year for them and they trade
08:17them like we can talk again then
08:19but as it stands right now the
08:21other thing is it's a complete
08:23sellers market the Niners of all
08:24the leverage next year when Terry
08:27McLaurin is going to want a new
08:28contract and maybe a guy who
08:29could be traded when DK Metcalf
08:31is going to be eligible for a new
08:32contract and is a guy that maybe
08:33could be traded and there's a
08:35whole other list of receivers that
08:36are up next year I'd make the
08:39move then because you may get a
08:41better receiver for less right
08:44so I this is not me saying they
08:46don't need a receiver they
08:47absolutely do I think rushing to
08:49get it done right now we've
08:52talked about this being a two to
08:53three year rebuild you don't need
08:54to rush to get it down to get it
08:56done right now and get Brandon
08:58Iuke they're going to have
08:59opportunities to make this kind
09:01of trade they may have better
09:02opportunities make this kind of
09:03trade if they're just a little
09:04bit patient yeah I'm that that
09:06is a good way to look at it like
09:07you said you don't need to rush
09:09into the receiver because I've
09:10mentioned it a million times but
09:12we're not really like they're
09:13not a 2024 team there are 2025
09:15and beyond team so like even a
09:17guy like Devon gotcha who we
09:19just talked about he shouldn't
09:20really be in the plans or if you
09:24plan on him being a part of the
09:25plan for 2025 then extend them
09:26if not then don't because right
09:29this year is going to be kind of
09:30a wash not that they're going to
09:31tank or anything but there could
09:33be other receivers available
09:34eventually so maybe don't pin
09:35yourself to IU necessarily but
09:39if he's available and there's a
09:41bidding war and there's a price
09:42at least throw your hat in the
09:43ring I mean you've seen I feel
09:46like I'm not saying don't make
09:48the call but so I personally feel
09:51free to disagree with me I think
09:52DK Metcalf's a better receiver I
09:54think DK Metcalf's a better
09:55receiver than Brandon Iuke okay
09:56if you give up call it a second
09:59and two fourths to get Brandon
10:00Iuke now in next year you can get
10:03DK Metcalf or T Higgins for Terry
10:07McLaurin for just a second right
10:11I mean why does he need to be
10:13right why does he need to be here
10:14this year we know that wide
10:16receivers are going to become
10:17available they always all that is
10:19the one position you can count on
10:21becoming available via trade they
10:22never come available for free via
10:24free agency you have to draft
10:25these guys or trade for them but
10:28I just like I said about Martin
10:30Harrison Brandon Iuke is not the
10:32last great receiver that's going
10:33to become available and the
10:35Patriots don't need to it's not
10:37to do he's not the difference
10:38between them winning the Super
10:39Bowl right now or not now is
10:42getting a receiver like that part
10:44of the difference between them
10:45winning a Super Bowl eventually
10:46yes right but you're going to
10:48have other opportunities to get
10:50receivers like Brandon Iuke he's
10:51far from a one of one guy as
10:53talented as he is they need I
10:55just named our one of one guys
10:56they need to do it eventually
10:57they need to find or get that
10:59true number one wide receiver they
11:01didn't do it with Mac Jones the
11:03entire time he was here so now I
11:05feel like me and Patriots fans
11:07and the idea of it it's like
11:08you're chomping at the bit so
11:09every chance you get you want to
11:11connect into the Patriots but
11:13you're right it doesn't have to
11:14be necessarily be right now but
11:15I'm with you free hat in the
11:17ring see what happens don't again
11:19get into this massive bidding war
11:21because frankly you might lose it
11:22and I guess if you lose it it
11:24doesn't matter but it all kind of
11:26makes sense I do think they
11:27should be involved in any wide
11:29receiver at the top because they
11:30need it it'll help direct me as
11:31development they still have a
11:32bunch of twos right now they could
11:34use the number one we're going to
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12:54were loaded up before I see this in
12:55the chat and I got to ask you Alex is
12:58Kyle Shanahan a top 10 most overrated
13:01head coach quarterback guru head
13:03coach yes those are two separate
13:05things and I think this is why people
13:06get confused it's not a good he's an
13:08overrated head coach great with
13:09quarterbacks great at designing an
13:11offense not a good head coach I don't
13:14necessarily I don't disagree I think he
13:16is that the offense you can't argue
13:18that the offense has sort of been
13:19taken over the league you know what
13:21they've sort of built with that outside
13:22zone the McVeigh stuff it's kind of
13:24all this this new age offense but
13:26you're right at this point I do think
13:28it's fair to say that the head coaching
13:29is an issue I guess I'll kind of leave
13:33it at that you get to the Super Bowl you
13:34can't you know you can't finish it you
13:35have leads in both and you kind of lose
13:37it there's not really any excuse all
13:39right let's go to a defensive question
13:40here this is from Boston 907 heard a
13:43lot about cornerbacks this spring but
13:45didn't hear Marcus Jones or Marcellus
13:47dials name a lot were they non-factors
13:49not involved or did this guy just miss
13:51it yeah they were they were both
13:54banged up they're both limited dial
13:56specifically I'm interested to see like
13:57we kind of know what Marcus Jones can do
13:59we know what his role is Marcellus
14:01dials a guy that can play has played on
14:02the boundary but may be able to play
14:03slot may be able to please play safety
14:05so I'm interested to see what they do
14:06with him but yeah they you didn't miss
14:10much they were they were both limited
14:11for most of the spring especially those
14:14last few days when they really ramped
14:15up dial was always a seemingly a lower
14:18field guy from the practices we've been
14:20at he was kind of back and forth
14:22Marcus Jones me and Taylor talk about
14:25him a lot as a guy who is just strictly
14:28as a defender might you know be a little
14:30bit overrated but his special team
14:32skills bring a lot so like I we didn't
14:35see a lot of them I'm curious to see
14:37when he's fully healthy what he can do
14:38with the you know with the special teams
14:40and you know being that a return man and
14:42a factor in this new system but as far
14:45as like being non-factors they they just
14:47weren't really that that available but
14:50let's talk about the room as a whole how
14:51many cornerbacks do we each see making
14:54the 53-man roster who do you believe
14:57will be the last corner to make it on I
14:59gotta pull up my roster projection yeah
15:00I'm gonna be the same but we can sort of
15:03workshop it and go gonzo obviously yeah
15:05well so I I had seven corners okay my
15:08last Ross projection 98 by the sports
15:10hub calm the last guy I had on was
15:14Marco Wilson but you could go Marco
15:18Wilson or Sean Wade I think the the four
15:20of Austin Gonzalez Jones and Jones you
15:23feel pretty good about I feel pretty
15:25good about Isaiah Bolden like it's
15:28really Isaiah Bolden Marco Wilson Sean
15:30Wade Marcella style Mikey Victor is
15:32easy hern how many guys I just named
15:35five or six guys for two or three spots
15:37yeah kind of what it boils down to to
15:39make yeah I think so too I think I the
15:42last guy on for me is also Marco Wilson
15:44obviously I think Austin gonzo the
15:46Jones's make it Bolden will be
15:48interesting they didn't really use him
15:51much in the what what we saw on special
15:54teams and that can kind of be his his it
15:56factor because he was one of the best
15:57you know better special teams or
15:58return men and in college football
16:00history we didn't see that much I wonder
16:02how that factors in we'll see more of
16:04that in training camp but yeah I think
16:07one two three four five six or seven
16:09obviously is the number and it's going
16:11to go between Wilson and and Bolden for
16:13me what that number comes down to is and
16:16this is something if you you watch
16:17Patriots beat you know I talk about a
16:19lot of the at-large roster positions
16:20right that you're going to carry at
16:22least four corners and a lot you're
16:24gonna carry at least two quarterbacks
16:26at least three running backs at least
16:27two tight ends you know on and on and on
16:29and there's certain roster spots that
16:31can only be one your backup quarterback
16:34may not be one of the 53 best players
16:36on your team but he's going to make the
16:39roster so now the 53rd best player
16:41potentially gets knocked off and think
16:43about like March Madness so yeah that's
16:45where those other cornerback spots come
16:47in right for guys like Marco Wilson and
16:48Shawn Wade if they're going to carry a
16:50six if they're going to carry a seventh
16:51corner does Jalen Rager make the team as
16:54a six receiver do Juju or Taekwon make
16:56the team as a seventh receiver right
16:59does Jaheim Bell get on do they carry
17:01three tight ends they carry four tight
17:02ends what happens with a guy like Sam
17:05Roberts does he get on safeties Jalen
17:08Hawkins right we're like Kyle Duggar
17:11Marte Mapu Jabril pepper that's enough
17:12safeties on your roster to start the
17:14season if you carry a fourth that's one
17:17roster spot that can't go elsewhere so
17:19you know the exact number of corners
17:21I'm going to guess it's going to be
17:22high the minimum I usually go with is
17:24four I would be very surprised if they
17:26keep four like you need four you need
17:29four on the roster just to operate I
17:31would say my minimum for them off their
17:34talent is five it could be as many as
17:36seven depending on how things fall at
17:38other positions yeah you mentioned it
17:40as like an at large thing in like March
17:41Madness I also kind of think of it as
17:43like you know like the saying like
17:45don't cross sports because there's no
17:46easy way to compare them right it's like
17:48how do you actually compare the fifth
17:51wide receiver in the fifth corner but
17:53you have to do it via special well you
17:54can do that because it's you know who's
17:56going to make who's going to make more
17:57of an impact maybe one guy has more
18:00special teams value maybe one guy has
18:02more scout team value maybe you go off
18:04the contracts maybe one guy's contract
18:06is a little easier to keep maybe it's a
18:07locker room thing I think there are ways
18:09you can do that it does get trickier so
18:11like another wild card here is Joe
18:14Milton are you you know Milton talk you
18:17drafted a quarterback third overall yep
18:20but are you keeping Joe Milton for
18:22upside are you keeping him for the scout
18:24team like is he right I think you can
18:26get into the practice squad does he take
18:27up a roster spot so that's another
18:30conversation that comes into play here
18:32I'll throw my own mailbag question and
18:34Alex you're going on the roster right
18:36now is he gonna make the team I did not
18:38have him on just based off because I
18:41go the way I do my roster projections is
18:44I go what we've seen and I cut it there
18:47it's if they had to make the decisions
18:49today so I'm not projecting anything
18:52forward Joe Milton could have a monster
18:54preseason I'm not ruling that out he's
18:56the kind of guy that would right that
18:58changes the picture a little bit but
19:00I'm not you know I'll do the roster
19:02projection if and when that happens I
19:04can definitely I think I had him because
19:06I do a like last three on last three
19:08off yes it's like your own bracket
19:10ology it's literally I really do it
19:12like bracket ology so the next three
19:15guys if it's a 56 man roster right the
19:17next three guys I put on that I didn't
19:19have on I'll give you both sides of the
19:21bubble my last three on what are talking
19:24about freaking Greg Gumbel and Joe
19:27Linardi or whatever go ahead my my last
19:29three on were Mitchell Wilcox Marco
19:30Wilson and Jalen Rager oh you have
19:33Wilcox on yeah that's really I mean
19:36we're talking player 53 player 54
19:39here because my my 54th player was
19:41Jaheim Bell followed by Joe Milton and
19:44then Juju Smith Schuster interesting
19:47okay Wilcox is a blocker I mean that
19:50one yeah that one's really going to open
19:52again I do it up to this point there's a
19:54lot from what we've seen I don't I
19:56understand that they did a lot of like
19:58even like for tight end sets at
20:00sometimes they were in like some funky
20:01formation so they're going to use just
20:03on the field a lot yeah yeah I guess I
20:06don't hate it but yeah it'll be it'll
20:07be interesting again roster projections
20:09at this point in the season it's tough
20:11to do because you really can only use
20:13what you saw and they you like training
20:16camp is the bulk of the decision making
20:18right I always call it the way too early
20:20roster projection yeah reason yeah all
20:23right one offensive line question
20:25that'll kind of mold into another but
20:27what are the chances that the Patriots
20:29starting left tackle isn't even on the
20:31team yet and if he isn't does Bakhtiari
20:33make sense because of familiarity with
20:34Elliott Wolfe oh he using my kicker
20:36line there um no the starting left
20:39tackles what's the kicker line is the
20:41Patriots week one kicker currently oh
20:44yeah yeah which I that's kind of how I
20:46phrase that take but the tackle is the
20:49tackle is they seem set on it being a
20:51core for and I just it's a rough group
20:53that's available I keep hearing Bakhtiari
20:55his name but the reality is there are
20:58teams he's connected to the Patriots
20:59through Elliott Wolfe the Jets through
21:01Aaron Rodgers the Packers that need
21:05tackles plain and simple these are
21:07there is a tackle shortage every team
21:09needs tackles if there was a remote
21:11chance he could play I think somebody
21:13would have signed by now this is a guy
21:15that's played 13 games in the last three
21:16years he is dealt with multiple knee
21:19injuries some of which you know at times
21:22can be chronic I just I I get he's a
21:26name that people know and he has the
21:28Wolfe connection that's all we're basing
21:30this on that's as far as I can go with
21:32David Bakhtiari I can't find a ton of
21:34football reasons you know Charles
21:36Leno's out there he's a guy that maybe
21:37he can play some tackle some guard but I
21:40think they're going to try to make it
21:41work with with Chooks a core for and if
21:44that doesn't work I think we're going to
21:45see probably either Calvin Anderson or
21:47maybe Caden Wallace like I think this
21:49is this is the group they have and
21:51they're sticking with it I don't love
21:52that this is the group they have but
21:54the time to add to it is not now like
21:57they had their chances to add to it if
21:59they weren't going to add to it before I
22:01don't understand how they add to it now
22:04if they if they do it now it just means
22:07that they essentially already think
22:09they failed the preseason the off
22:10season right like the offseason and
22:13free agency was the time to go get the
22:16girl left tackle one of the most
22:17important positions on the offense and
22:19they didn't and now they see if they're
22:22already bailing on the experiment that
22:23they think they had which is drafting
22:24Caden Wallace as a left tackle and
22:26bringing a core form making him a left
22:28tackle to guys that like they literally
22:30have like one left tackle on the roster
22:32and Calvin Anderson it's just like it's
22:34a weird thing they're trying to do and
22:37I'm with you though as far as
22:38Bakhtiari specifically goes like I think
22:40there's something that frankly it's not
22:42even something we don't know I think we
22:44do know he's very unhealthy and even
22:46though they say he's cleared teams that
22:48you know are needy teams that he's
22:49connected to are basically like yeah
22:51we're good we appreciate it we'll go
22:53with what we have the Jets are just
22:56piecemealing it just as much as the
22:57Patriots are a tackle at this point
22:58they've signed a couple old guys they've
23:00traded for a couple old guys or
23:01whatever they've done and yeah I think
23:05the left tackle is on the team and I do
23:06think it's a core four as well we'll do
23:08one more before our next ad because
23:11once the smoke and mirrors clears what
23:14do you think the starting line looks
23:16like from left to right Alex you give
23:18yours I'll give mine they could be the
23:19same but we'll see.
23:20A core four yeah a core four so Andrews
23:28Leverett or sorry no on when who Oh
23:33core four so Andrews on when who
23:37Wallace okay so I think that I think we
23:41saw them kind of started to scramble
23:42there at the end of the spring I think
23:43they're moving Michael when you back
23:44inside I think so too and I keep not
23:48happy about it but I think they're
23:49doing yeah you know what let's talk
23:52about that go ahead we're gonna get to
23:53week six and oh look they're finally
23:56playing him a tackle thank goodness and
23:57just like last year to reinvigorate the
23:59offensive line that's the left tackle
24:01and avoided all this but whatever that's
24:04the thing it's like okay you have Caden
24:06Wallace you draft them it the Caden
24:08Wallace rollercoaster has already been
24:09pretty insane right like they draft them
24:11originally oh my god they got they got a
24:14right tackle what the heck are they
24:15doing they still don't have a left
24:16tackle yada yada yada then we hear from
24:19wolf like two hours or an hour later and
24:21he's like no this guy can play left
24:22tackle and we're like okay it's still
24:23strange they're gonna move him over but
24:25we'll see if they can make it work
24:26trust in wolf and now it's like he's
24:29back to right tackle and they still
24:30don't have a left tackle the future so
24:32it's odd the way it's happened you paid
24:34Mike on when who kind of like a right
24:36tackle you said that the plan was to
24:37play him at right tackle now granted
24:39guard money has skyrocketed over the
24:41last couple years and it's not it's not
24:44necessarily a great paid he's like the
24:46fourth highest paid guard in football
24:48like it's not that agree right I don't
24:50think the money's egregious I just
24:52think I don't know because he's
24:56probably a better guard than he is a
24:57tackle but I think the line as a whole
25:01seemingly will just play better with
25:03him at tackle and you have Wallace as
25:05your left tackle the future and then you
25:07have your guards which you drafted later
25:09Robinson Antonio Mafia is there he's
25:11not that good but you get the point
25:12Cole strange to come back city so can
25:14play it's like the tackle position is
25:16still just so bare and it doesn't seem
25:18like they have a solution for it all
25:22this is it's not new I mean it's nothing
25:25new that I feel like we've discussed
25:26this I know you know but yeah so I
25:29think I'm with you though I think I
25:30think my starting starting line to
25:32start the season is a core force so
25:34Andrews on when you and Wallace and I
25:38think unless Wallace doesn't come
25:40together and make it happen then maybe
25:43it is Nick Leverett at right guard and
25:45on one who are right tackle we'll see
25:46what happens there and then Cole
25:47strange comes back and they kick so
25:50back to the it's it's already a mess
25:53and it's been a mess and they haven't
25:54really done much to address it and it's
25:55too bad but we'll see what happens all
25:57right we're going to finish up in a few
25:59minutes we're going to get to the rest
26:00of your questions after this quick ad
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27:29use this one from the chat as a jumping
27:31off point because Chris Bayless asks
27:33will we see Drake May in the preseason
27:35or will they hold them out until an
27:36O-line is stable they're going to play
27:37Drake May in the preseason yeah they
27:39better play him in the preseason I mean
27:40he needs he needs the refs he needs to
27:42get better and he's probably gonna be
27:44behind the backup O-line but against
27:46backup pass rushers so no they're not
27:48playing him in the preseason that's a
27:50major major major problem correct should
27:52be now playing the heavy majority of the
27:54snaps in the preseason that was gonna be
27:56my question how much do you think he
27:58plays in the preseason how much do they
27:59hold Jacobi were set out in the
28:01preseason and then I don't know if I at
28:05least can remember your your Drake May
28:08plan on the off the top of my head but
28:11what do you what do you expect them for
28:12Drake May for the season so for the
28:15preseason I mean some of it depends on
28:16if Bailey's happy still here right and
28:18true I don't think they're just gonna
28:20bench him out right my guess is we'll
28:21we'll get one quarter of Jacobi Bursett
28:24total probably in the second game he'll
28:27he'll start the second preseason game
28:29against the Eagles after joint
28:30practices I'm guessing Joe Milton will
28:34play the fourth quarter so this is where
28:37it gets tricky take Bailey's happy out of
28:40it I think it's pretty simple
28:42Jacobi Bursett gets one quarter of one
28:44game Joe Milton gets all three fourth
28:47quarters and the rest of Drake May maybe
28:50the third game Joe Milton gets the
28:52entire second half like that's I think
28:54that's a pretty logical plan yeah throw
28:57Bailey's happy into it I don't know down
29:01does he start maybe does he play the
29:03first quarter of week one Drake May
29:05plays two and three Joe Milton plays for
29:07is it zappy for one quarter and then
29:10drink me the rest of the way and Joe
29:12Milton doesn't play and then the next
29:14week it's Jacobi Bursett then zappy then
29:16Milton or like zappy makes it cloudier
29:19but I'm going to guess we have what 12
29:21quarters of preseason football over
29:28percent percent gets one and then you
29:29have 11 to divvy up so I'm going to say
29:31over under six and a half quarters for
29:34Drake May in the preseason okay out of
29:3612 yeah I don't hate it I think if
29:38zappy's here he's a he's a camp and a
29:40practice arm I don't think they're going
29:41to throw him out there much in the
29:42preseason there's really no need to he's
29:44your emergency backup if may is not
29:46ready he's your backup quarterback to
29:48start the year I don't think that's
29:49going to happen you still don't really
29:51know they're not going to do that I
29:52don't think so either Drake may is going
29:54to end up this on the back as the the
29:56fact they'll back up to start the
29:57seasons that was going to be gone may
29:59will play a lot I think I like that
30:00number six and a half depending on how
30:03it goes depending on percent feels all
30:04that stuff but yeah they're going to
30:07play him that's going to be where you
30:08get to see where he can shine against
30:10you know a live defense and things like
30:12that and then we'll go from there all
30:14right let's do let's go back to one
30:15more offensive line question that we
30:17have in here with all the o-line
30:19shuffling is it safe to assume we've
30:21seen the last of Cole strange as a
30:23starter Alex if when Cole strange comes
30:25back does he automatically slide in or
30:28what do you think happens with strange
30:31yeah I I don't know that we've seen the
30:34last of him as a starter like that's
30:36pretty extreme yeah all right I don't
30:39know like you know safe to assume I
30:41think there's a chance that the
30:42offensive lines a mess when he comes
30:44back and they try putting him in there
30:46just to see what it looks like but right
30:49I think you know his job certainly in
30:52jeopardy short term and long term and
30:54they're on this resigning spree I don't
30:56know if Cole strange Cole strange the
30:58guy's going to be included in that when
31:00the time comes he's definitely on shaky
31:02ground would it surprise me if he ends
31:05up starting a handful of more games for
31:06the Patriots over the next year or two
31:08no just because they're limited in terms
31:11of their offensive linemen and he's when
31:13he's been healthy he's had his moments
31:15but I I don't you know that's as
31:17comfortable so that's as far as I'm
31:19comfortable going does he start a
31:20handful of games over the next two years
31:22maybe there is so much that has to
31:25happen between now or that will happen
31:28between now and when Cole strange is
31:30ultimately healthy enough to be active
31:32for a game that we really have no idea
31:34because if the guards are so and on when
31:37you so played well last year on when it
31:39was a good guard even if if strange
31:43comes back those guys might be playing
31:44well even if the tackles aren't right
31:46there's no real sense to kick him in
31:47unless you kick on one who out unless
31:49Wallace isn't playing well if Wallace
31:51is playing well then there's a there's
31:53no reason for a strange to come in like
31:55there's so much stuff where it's not by
31:58any means this is not a oh Cole's
32:00healthy getting back in there like it
32:02would be with some people he he as much
32:05as he's played pretty well down the
32:07stretch of the last couple seasons he
32:08hasn't necessarily earned the right to
32:10be a shoe in as soon as he comes back I
32:11would say there's there's no guarantee
32:14that there's a job waiting for him
32:15exactly and that's where even having you
32:19know Leighton Robinson as a backup and I
32:22mean Antonio mafia hasn't been hasn't
32:24celebrated means but there's guys there
32:26where they know what they have and what
32:28they don't have in full strange as far
32:30as production and injury wise that
32:31they've sort of baked in a contingency
32:33plan behind him so it's definitely the
32:36seats not waiting for him but depending
32:39on what happens there's so many factors
32:40that he could easily have to be a I
32:42don't want to call a break last case of
32:44emergency but a guy who they can slide
32:46in there because they just need to
32:47figure something out and shuffle things
32:48around all right let's do one last
32:50question from what we got on Twitter and
32:53then we'll sort of check the chat real
32:55quick before we get out of here first
32:56one is from old man mom again who should
32:58be the running back three behind
33:00reminder Stevenson and Antonio Gibson
33:02yeah we're just going to be battling
33:04Kevin Harris to Michael hasty trail
33:07Jennings Deshaun Fenwick like it's way
33:10too early to tell I hasty I think had a
33:13good spring he adds a pass catching
33:15element those other guys don't you can
33:17play in the kicking game but the other
33:19thing is so so yeah he had the best
33:20spring those other three guys are all
33:22like 220 pound backs and they're going
33:24to be at their best when the pads come
33:25on and there's contact so we got a long
33:27way to go to answer this I wouldn't
33:28rule out outside candidates as well
33:30this is going to be a battle we're
33:31going to follow all summer yeah again
33:34it's it's easy to not saying just you
33:36but everybody to say that hasty won the
33:39spring because he's a pass catching back
33:41in basically a passing camp in seven on
33:42sevens and things like that and there's
33:44no tackling like it's impossible for
33:46Kevin Harris to win the offseason
33:48program on the field because right it
33:49doesn't really do much besides as a
33:51bowling ball running back so we'll see
33:53what happens it's going to be a battle I
33:54think hasty again was solid I think
33:57Kevin Harris has been a practice squad
34:00and I for this team for a long time and
34:02frankly if he doesn't get cut and or if
34:05he does get cut and comes back in the
34:06practice squad he'll probably do the
34:07same thing he has in the last couple
34:08years so it'll be interesting this is
34:10one of the battles to watch but I do
34:12think obviously Stevenson gets his
34:14extension and Italian Gibson first year
34:17on the job of the Patriots those guys
34:19are shoe ins and locks and then we'll go
34:20from there all right Alex one last
34:22question before we get you out of here
34:24on this Pat's daily episode what needs
34:26to happen for the Patriots to be at
34:29least 500 or better this season
34:33CJ Stroud like like Drake may need to
34:35be CJ Stroud he needs to just come in
34:37and instantly elevate talent that's it
34:40you know the defense will be good can
34:42they be that good I don't know when you
34:44look at some of the question marks on
34:46offense you need Drake you need one or
34:49two things that either Drake may need
34:50to come in and elevate instantly or the
34:53offensive line just somehow needs to be
34:56a top 15 unit in the league and yeah
34:59Drake may be CJ Stroud may be more
35:01likely just given the the personnel
35:04available so yeah that's what's going
35:05to take I think again you're you're
35:07right I mean the defense the defense is
35:09fine the defense is going to be fine
35:10they're they're a serviceable NFL uh
35:13NFL you're more than serviceable I mean
35:15the defense is really good but we the
35:17defense was really good last year and
35:19they won three games exactly that's
35:21kind of where I can the defense alone
35:24be where they need not they need to get
35:25to nine to be 500 can the defense alone
35:28be six games better right probably not
35:32that's a lot that is asking a lot you'd
35:36better they would not all they would
35:37have to sign Stephon Gilmore and have
35:40him be 2019 Gilmore judan's 2021 judan
35:44if you get Michigan Jabril peppers
35:46which I guess he was close to last year
35:48um you know if if Devon Godshaw adds a
35:51pass rush element Alex Austin exceeds
35:54the hype right maybe they get you like
35:57four games but it's uh it's tough it's
36:00it my point being was that it's all on
36:02the offense and it does have to be
36:03made the offensive line the the
36:05shuffling and reshuffling and this guy
36:07can play left and right tackle blah
36:09blah blah all that stuff has to hit and
36:11even still I don't know if that gets you
36:13past 500 you still have to you know get
36:15the wide receiver room right the
36:16offense still has to click and still
36:17has to score a ton of points like it's
36:19a lot and that's a lot to throw on a
36:20rookie quarterback Jacoby reset if he
36:22plays all season isn't getting nine
36:24wins so it's going to be tough a lot of
36:26stuff has to hit I'm with you it has to
36:28be a Texans type rebuild trajectory
36:33that and not the long-term one that
36:34they're planning on so that's going to
36:37do it for this episode of Patriots
36:38daily Alex before we let you go what is
36:42coming down the pipe on page to be with
36:43you and Brian what what do you have
36:44going on that you can plug yeah so we
36:46did a show yesterday I think this is
36:47going to be a one week show one show
36:49week for us but we did a show yesterday
36:51we gave our takes on the remandre
36:53Stevenson contract also to catch 22
36:56with Evan earlier today we talked from
36:57Andre Stevenson we talked spring
36:59winners and losers and she working on
37:01some red socks and Celtic stuff over on
37:0398 father sports of calm socks what are
37:05your thoughts on the Red Sox we don't
37:07know I don't know if you saw daily but
37:09it's going on I don't I can find it I
37:11know where it is I thought I knew where
37:14it was hang on I can find a different
37:16studio give me a second yep yep hang on
37:19hang on there it is I don't know if you
37:23saw what Ken Rosenthal said today about
37:26the Red Sox and Red Sox ownership but
37:29yeah they have the story yeah I did see
37:31this in short he basically said the
37:32players and coaches have done everything
37:34if this is an ownership group that has
37:36shown no interest in trying in the last
37:39two and a half years and there's not a
37:42ton of reason I think that will change
37:43at the deadline but if it doesn't shame
37:45on them shame on them because a damn
37:47will should because these players and
37:49coaches serve a ton of credit for what
37:51they've done here over the last month
37:52and their schedule super easy for the
37:54next like three weeks so it's probably
37:55gonna keep going at least to an extent
37:57so I kind of just wrote about that like
38:00yeah Rosenthal's right no more half
38:02measures I'm not saying trade all the
38:04prospects and totally sell out but can
38:07you get a legitimate doesn't have to be
38:10an all-star can you get a legitimate
38:12major league shortstop can you get a
38:13legitimate major league starting
38:15pitcher even if it's a back of the
38:16rotation guy just around things out can
38:18you flip Kenley Jansen for a young
38:20reliever with term or maybe two
38:22relievers to stretch out the bullpen
38:25none of those are massive asks maybe
38:26all three of them at once would be a
38:28lot but if you can do two or three
38:31that'd be great nobody's asked them to
38:32suddenly turn this team in a world
38:34series contender but give them some
38:35juice give him a chance because this
38:36could be a year you can build on I
38:39agree I think you gotta buy you always
38:40gonna buy you the boss I'm freaking
38:42Red Sox you have all the money in the
38:43world okay quickly since we have the
38:45backer up thoughts on the all-mark
38:46trade I don't think I'm as out of it
38:49on it as most people I don't like it
38:53it's more so I think people are already
38:55writing it off I don't know I'll give
38:57dawn sweet and Bruins fans might roll
38:59their eyes at this but I'll give Don
39:01Sweeney the benefit of the doubt let's
39:02see what they do with 25th pick because
39:04if they hit on the 25th pick looks
39:05brilliant if they get like a legit top
39:07six forward top four defenseman
39:09whatever they're gonna use that pick on
39:11like if they get a guy if they get a
39:13dude great great trade if not you're
39:16basically counting on what's that I
39:17keep seeing that guy's name and thinking
39:19it says cablet yeah I know you know who
39:21I'm talking about yeah I just care if
39:25not now I got it hang on this is gonna
39:27bug me if not you're basically counting
39:32on Castellic Mark Castellic yeah you're
39:37counting on Marcus Delic to beat hockey
39:39Connor Wong because there are some
39:40similarities with the Mookie Betts
39:43trade here and I don't think I'm the
39:44first to have that take but he's kind of
39:47the throw in the last guy that's what
39:49Connor Wong was counting on him to
39:51really elevate because he's a fourth
39:53line center they need a fourth line
39:55center they need a guy with some size
39:56and physicality I'm not saying like
39:57they didn't need him but you trade a
39:59guy I won the Vesna less than 12 months
40:01ago and you've got that you like you
40:03better get more than a physical fourth
40:05line center for him and I just think
40:08Corpus all is cooked I know goalie Bob
40:09and all that but I think Corpus all is
40:11cooked so yeah I take away the goalie
40:17take away the center right you got a
40:18first-round pick for a guy that you
40:20probably were gonna have to get rid of
40:21at some point it wasn't gonna work with
40:23two goalies much longer the pays too
40:24much all that stuff you you've done the
40:26last year the deal blah blah but could
40:29you have gotten more maybe I'm just so
40:31team swam in here and I think that that
40:33that's just the answer long term that
40:35whatever you could do to get rid of all
40:36mark you get the first round pick back
40:38and you see what happens it's waiting
40:39see I don't think they lost it yet I
40:41agree with you that if you hit on the
40:42pick it's a win because you you take
40:44away the you know the what-ifs in the
40:46goalie room not that there was any
40:47swayman's the guy but I'm just happy
40:50that they were able to get something
40:51for him so I believe that's gonna do it
40:54for today's Patriots daily myself and
40:56Taylor will be back tomorrow we went
40:59through the defensive line room again
41:00and there should be a video coming up
41:02shortly on the channel diving into
41:04Devon Godshaw and his contract
41:06situation so myself Taylor will be back
41:09in some form or fashion on Patriots
41:10daily or this week until then rate
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41:14trespass and yeah we'll see you next
41:17time thanks for watching and thanks for
41:19doing so yeah right