Joe Haggerty is joined by Boston.com's Conor Ryan to discuss the Bruins' upcoming offseason plans. They start with the anticipation surrounding the Boston Bruins' offseason and move on to the pressure on Don Sweeney and the management group. They talk about the importance of making the right choices with big free agents and advocate for acquiring a big-money impact player. The conversation continues with addressing the potential loss of Jake DeBrusk and embracing old-school physical hockey.
0:00 - Intro
1:38 - Discussion on the Boston Bruins' off-season anticipation
4:01 - Pressure on Don Sweeney and the Bruins' management group
5:42 - Importance of making the right choices with big free agents
7:25 - Advocating for a big money impact player
9:05 - Addressing the potential loss of Jake DeBrusk
14:27 - Embracing old school physical hockey
17:26 - Evaluating Bruins' top line and second line players
20:59 - Targeting impactful free agent like Sam Reinhart
23:29 - Identifying the need for a top center in the team
26:01 - Discussing the potential impact of acquiring Elias Lindholm
28:56 - Last minute deals on Game Time app
30:36 - Omar's contract considerations and potential trade scenarios
32:07 - Evaluating the potential trade impact for Bruins and Carolina
36:26 - Carolina needs changes for better performance
38:48 - Florida-Edmonton not a nightmare scenario for NHL
41:10 - Importance of star players in NHL marketing
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0:00 - Intro
1:38 - Discussion on the Boston Bruins' off-season anticipation
4:01 - Pressure on Don Sweeney and the Bruins' management group
5:42 - Importance of making the right choices with big free agents
7:25 - Advocating for a big money impact player
9:05 - Addressing the potential loss of Jake DeBrusk
14:27 - Embracing old school physical hockey
17:26 - Evaluating Bruins' top line and second line players
20:59 - Targeting impactful free agent like Sam Reinhart
23:29 - Identifying the need for a top center in the team
26:01 - Discussing the potential impact of acquiring Elias Lindholm
28:56 - Last minute deals on Game Time app
30:36 - Omar's contract considerations and potential trade scenarios
32:07 - Evaluating the potential trade impact for Bruins and Carolina
36:26 - Carolina needs changes for better performance
38:48 - Florida-Edmonton not a nightmare scenario for NHL
41:10 - Importance of star players in NHL marketing
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00:06 Welcome to another edition of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
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00:15 I believe this is the 95th episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
00:18 I have with me today Boston.com's Connor Ryan.
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01:43 All right, Connor.
01:45 What is...
01:46 Before we get into the actual structured discussion here, thank you for joining us.
01:51 And what is on your mind currently with the Boston Bruins, if anything?
01:55 Is there anything sort of percolating in your brain when you think about this team, the
01:59 offseason, the season that we just had?
02:02 Because I don't think we've had you on since the season ended.
02:05 Just something that's stuck with you at this point with the Bruins right now.
02:10 Yeah.
02:11 I mean, I guess the overall maybe sentiment I have, Joe, is just anticipation, I guess,
02:16 in terms of this offseason.
02:17 Because, you know, I kind of...
02:18 A lot of my stuff that I put together after the season ended was, you know, you look at
02:22 the last...
02:23 The previous two years when the season ended, it was a lot of, I think, a different mentality
02:28 or mindset from what we had the last...
02:29 You know, they're losing Carolina in 2022.
02:32 It's like, all right, is this it for Bergeron?
02:34 Like, "Ah, crap.
02:35 What are we going to do here?"
02:36 And then last year, you know, it wasn't, I guess, maybe set in stone just yet that Bergeron
02:40 creates you retiring, but you could see the writing on the wall.
02:43 You could see what their cap situation was.
02:45 And I think Bruins fans were like, "This is going to hurt."
02:49 This offseason, I think you do have a great opportunity if you're Don Sweeney and the
02:52 Bruins to, you know, build off of a team that I think exceeded expectations, had a lot of
02:56 guys step up.
02:59 That you know, you look at the younger players like Alora, obviously Jeremy Swainman made
03:03 big strides.
03:04 Like, for the first time in a long time, you have a chance to really build on top of a
03:07 foundation that might be slightly ahead of schedule from what I think a lot of people
03:11 expected.
03:12 And now, I think the big question now is you have this great opportunity, but what are
03:15 you going to do with that money?
03:16 Right?
03:17 Like, there's a lot of ways you can go, but I think we could look at this team in the
03:21 start of September and look at one or two signings that made and be like, "All right,
03:24 this covered a need."
03:25 Or we could look at how it was a few years ago when like they went out and got like,
03:29 you know, Derek Fulbert and some of these guys were like, "You know, these guys could
03:33 work, I guess, but is it moving the needle really?"
03:35 Like, I think it all comes down to with the cap space the Bruins have, are they going
03:39 to get guys to really move the needle?
03:40 Or are they going to be guys that can plug into the roster?
03:43 I think I'm looking forward to see how the Bruins approach this because this is a great
03:47 clean slate for them to have.
03:49 And there's a lot of guys out there, but who would the right guys truly go after?
03:52 I think is the bigger question.
03:54 Yeah.
03:55 And the bottom line is there's a lot of pressure on Don Sweeney and the Bruins management group
03:59 right now to don't F it up.
04:01 Like you need to hit home runs.
04:04 You need to get extra base hits with these free agent signings.
04:07 And, you know, they've been mostly good and to your point, mostly good with the sort of
04:11 lower end free agent signings, the under the radar free agent signings, the Morgan geekies
04:17 of the world, like players like that is Don Sweeney and the Bruins management groups,
04:22 bread and butter.
04:23 Like they crush those signings routinely.
04:25 The smaller money guys where they get a lot of good value.
04:28 They see somebody that could flourish in a bigger role in Boston or somebody, you know,
04:33 the Parker Weatherspoons of the world, the Brazos of the world that are kind of languishing
04:38 in another organization or stuck in a numbers game.
04:40 And they bring them here and they develop a little bit more like all that stuff.
04:44 They are excellent at, I have full faith in them when they make those kinds of signings.
04:49 And I think Don Sweeney has done really well at the trade deadline now too.
04:52 He's got a track record the last, I don't know, five, six years of really hitting home
04:57 runs at the trade deadline, getting impact players, signing them to extensions, you know,
05:02 figuring out too.
05:03 And I talked about this in the last podcast.
05:05 I think something that figured out lately is that you can add those physical players
05:10 that you need for the playoffs at the trade deadline, those heavy physical players.
05:12 And that's something they've started doing the last few years too.
05:16 And really I think started to understand that you need to even, even if you have some of
05:19 those players on the roster, you need to augment it by adding more of that at the deadline
05:24 and kind of that arms race before you get to the playoffs where you need to be physical,
05:27 you need to be heavy, you need to be hard hitting and relentless and you know, winning
05:31 puck battles.
05:32 As Cam Neely said, if in order to win 50/50 puck battles, you have to want the puck and
05:36 they have to continue to get guys that want the puck.
05:39 So all that stuff, I think they do really well.
05:42 The one sort of like kind of question mark in my mind for this entire front office is
05:49 when they have a lot of money and they have to go after big free agents, making the right
05:53 choices, spending that money in the right way.
05:56 You know, David Backus is the first name that comes to mind as a guy that they spent money
06:00 on.
06:01 And I remember at the time, and I think you probably remember this too, at the free agent
06:04 frenzy originally, I think it was Bob McKenzie screwed up and said it was a one year deal
06:09 for Backus.
06:10 And everybody's like, Oh, okay, that's great signing.
06:12 Like that makes sense.
06:13 And then all of a sudden, no wait, it's a lot more than one year and it's big money.
06:17 And you're like, Whoa, wait a minute.
06:20 Is this the right call?
06:21 I think there's been a few times where they've kind of overextended or spent the money in
06:26 a way where they felt like they had to spend it and put it on a player.
06:30 And I think they felt like they needed Backus.
06:31 They needed a big, heavy, hard hitting player, like whatever.
06:33 They just, they picked the wrong horse and they got a guy that was a little too old at
06:37 that point and a little too long in the tooth and had too many miles on the odometer.
06:41 But I think the pressure, there was pressure on Don Sweeney to do something that he hasn't
06:45 consistently done in the past, which is spend big money on free agents and hit home runs
06:52 there and bring in players that are going to make a massive impact.
06:55 And one other little quibbling thing with the end of season press conference, Don Sweeney
07:00 mentioned a couple of times he wants to bring in secondary scoring to this team.
07:04 I think it's primary scoring that they need.
07:05 I think they need to add primary scoring.
07:08 Like they obviously have Pasternak, they have Marcian, but I think they need another guy
07:13 that can come in and really be like a scoring threat, a dangerous player, a primary scorer.
07:19 And that's going to help other players turn into secondary scorers.
07:22 And that's going to make, I think everybody better if you have another high event player
07:26 that can really like do a lot of things offensively.
07:29 And that's what the money's for.
07:30 They have the money to go out and get that player.
07:31 I think I'd rather they go after like a Sam Reinhart and overspend for him and bring in
07:37 somebody that could be a massive impact offensive player while weakening, obviously, you know,
07:42 another team that's a problem for you in the Eastern Conference, instead of like getting
07:46 two like $4.5 million players that may or may not really move the needle and can kind
07:53 of augment what you have, but aren't going to really like put you over the top.
07:56 I'd rather have them go for a top drawer, big money player.
08:00 If there's one available out there that they really like in this free agency period.
08:03 Yeah, no, it's going to be fascinating to see how they just overall approaching.
08:08 But I agree, it can't just be like secondary guys.
08:10 If you go out of this offseason, it's like you, you know, retain Swainman and you get
08:14 like Anthony Duclair, who's like a solid player, but he's probably over third line guy now
08:19 coming off of his, I think Achilles injury, whatever he's he had a few years ago.
08:24 Player that gives you some scoring punch, but isn't a guy that you look at the top of
08:27 your offseason is like, we're all set.
08:28 We couldn't score any goals against the Panthers.
08:30 But Duclair is the answer.
08:32 Like you need more proven, I think scoring talent up front, and especially when you look
08:36 at the fact that you don't really know what the situation is with Jake Dubrask.
08:39 And not to say that Jake Dubrask is this, you know, 30 goal guy, we've been waiting
08:43 for him to be that kind of player, but a guy that you can dependably put in the top six
08:47 and does a good job based on what Don Sweeney's kind of comments, or if you want to read between
08:52 the lines doesn't seem like there's a bridge to be, you know, put there in terms of that
08:57 negotiations and it seems like the press is going to go to the market where it's probably
09:01 going to get a good, a pretty good deal from someone.
09:04 But I just don't see it being here in Boston.
09:05 So you can't just let him walk and then get secondary talent.
09:08 You need it.
09:09 It seems like they're already bracing Connor for the story they're going to give when
09:12 Dubrask signed somewhere else.
09:14 It felt like that, honestly, even in the transcript they sent out where they were talking, the
09:21 quotes they put out for Dubrask, when they asked him like what his priority is, it's
09:25 like winning, being on a winning team, winning a cup, like all this stuff.
09:28 It wasn't like staying in Boston.
09:30 It's interesting that that was the quote that they chose and kind of threw out there at
09:35 the time too.
09:36 But I'm sure the sentiment from them is that they feel like he's going to go and either
09:42 he's already got something worked out with like an Edmonton or like, you know, a Canadian
09:45 market somewhere that's going to overpay for him.
09:48 He's definitely going to get bigger money somewhere else.
09:50 Yeah, exactly.
09:51 So if he walks and you have that, you have to find a way to replicate that production
09:55 or exceed it in terms of it.
09:57 And again, it's not just the production.
09:58 It's a guy that, you know, plays a good two way game.
10:02 You can depend on him in terms of like, you know, 17, 18 minutes a night.
10:06 Like you have to replace just that body in the lineup as well.
10:08 So, you know, people look at the Bruins and the fact that they have to get a centerman,
10:13 which is obviously the top of the list.
10:14 But if DeBrus walks as well, you need to find an impact winger as well.
10:17 Like I can't see them, you know, signing.
10:20 Let's say it's like Elias Lindholm, the top center on the market.
10:22 And then just like, oh, we got Lysell or Markulov.
10:26 We'll slot one of those guys up.
10:27 Like you have the money and you have the urgency right now to, you know, add another impact
10:32 player and build someone that's not just going to be a role player.
10:36 Like you have the money and the means now to have a guy that you can add to like the
10:40 foundation of this team moving forward.
10:43 And it's all about just finding that right guy for that right fit.
10:45 It's unfortunate with like DeBrus because Neely, his whole thing, when they asked him
10:49 what they need, it's more speed up front, a guy that can kind of win puck battles.
10:53 And DeBrus isn't this super physical guy.
10:56 But you see, I think in the playoffs, guys that have that foot speed that can, you know,
11:01 win, win pucks, can operate in grade A ice.
11:04 They tend to generate good chances, especially when the ice kind of shrinks in the playoffs.
11:08 So you get to find a guy that fits that mold.
11:11 But, you know, it's almost like, all right, would you rather DeBrus, would you rather
11:14 Bertuzzi who gives you something right, but he's not really a burner necessarily.
11:18 But, you know, it's all about, I think, weighing with DeBrus most likely being out the door,
11:22 what kind of player you want on the wing, especially what kind of identity you're looking
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12:42 Yeah.
12:43 I mean, they definitely need speed.
12:45 There's no question about it.
12:46 And you continue to need to get more speed in a faster league that's always getting faster
12:51 and younger.
12:52 But you also need speed that is willing to play through bodies to get the pucks.
12:57 You know what I mean?
12:58 You don't need Sam Bennett's.
12:59 You need like, yes, yes, 100%, 100%.
13:03 You need Florida Panthers speed, which is guys that have speed, but also play through
13:07 the body to get to the puck and don't stop and slow down when they get towards a player
13:12 that has the puck and a defenseman that has the puck and it's trying to collect it in
13:16 the corner or the end boards.
13:17 Like those guys not only play with speed, but they play with like punch you in the mouth
13:21 physicality to those are the guys you need.
13:23 You need both fast and hard.
13:25 That's kind of what he was asking that question.
13:28 And that's what it is.
13:29 You need both of those things.
13:30 If they play with the speed and with the hardness and they play through the body and just blow
13:35 guys up in full speed and go at them on the four check, then you start to get what Florida
13:40 has, which is you paralyze every single team you play.
13:44 They've done.
13:45 They're doing it.
13:46 The Rangers too.
13:47 Like those are close games.
13:48 The Rangers, like they talk about, I was the binage ad and Crider and all these guys are
13:53 struggling offensively.
13:55 It's because they don't have the puck in the offensive zone at all.
13:57 It's the same thing with the Bruins.
13:58 The same thing that we have with the lightning.
14:00 They get stuck in their own end in the neutral zone and it immediately goes back in their
14:04 end because they can't break it out against that four check.
14:07 They just suffocate the living crap out of other teams to the point where you can't set
14:11 up in the offensive zone and your offensive players are constantly running around the
14:14 D zone or, you know, trying to support their defenseman and worrying about getting the
14:18 puck out.
14:19 So like, I really feel like that's the blueprint and I'm so glad it is.
14:23 And I'm glad the Panthers are having success because it's such an old school approach to
14:26 hockey is having that four check.
14:29 Like that's a hard four check like that.
14:30 That's based on physicality and speed.
14:33 That's old school mentality.
14:34 That's not like a lot of the new school stuff that you see that a lot of teams are trying
14:39 to do the run and gun style stuff.
14:41 That's just hard old school physical hockey.
14:43 And I'd love to see in a copycat league, I'd love to see the Panthers win the cup and everybody
14:47 decide, oh, this is how we need to play and start getting, you know, valuing players like
14:51 that.
14:52 But I think, you know, when you look at it, just as much as the speed, they need players
14:57 that will run through a brick wall in order to win you a game.
15:00 And that's like a very, that's a difficult thing sometimes to value, quantify, like identify
15:05 in a player.
15:06 Yeah, absolutely.
15:07 That's why I think it's so rare when you have those kind of players that have that foot
15:10 speed, but also that it's why, like, again, it's got like Sam Benes.
15:13 And you always see him stick out.
15:14 It's why, like, I remember in like 2019, like Josh Anderson was a monster in that, you know,
15:19 Tampa series.
15:20 Like it's, it's why guys like Tom Wilson are so coveted, like these guys that are physical,
15:24 but have that foot speed to put puck carries under duress.
15:27 And yeah, that is, I think, the big challenge for the Bruins.
15:29 But I also agree, Hags, it's like, you're seeing the blueprint.
15:32 And again, it's a copycat league.
15:33 And I think the Panthers are, you know, leading the charge in terms of how that approaches.
15:37 But even like, look at what Vegas did last year, where again, they're, they have a lot
15:42 of guys up front that are fast.
15:43 Like is Jonathan Marchessault a imposing figure at 5'8"?
15:47 Hell no.
15:48 But he's usually the first guy in.
15:49 He's winning puck battles.
15:50 He's getting in the mix.
15:51 You look at what like the Dallas Stads are doing right now, where they've got a D-core
15:56 where the average height is, I think, like 6'2", 6'3".
15:59 And you've got guys like Wyatt Johnson.
16:02 They've got these guys that are always moving their feet.
16:04 They're always making plays happen.
16:05 It's not like they're, you know, again, it's as you said, there's a lot of guys that can
16:10 skate very well.
16:11 But they're not like generating chances off the rush.
16:13 Like they're making things happen.
16:15 They're causing turnovers and they're pouncing on these loose pucks.
16:18 And you just didn't see enough of that from the Bruins in terms of just having that ability
16:22 to put other teams under duress, you know, kind of create a little bit of chaos and generate
16:26 those chances.
16:27 And if you're looking at the Bruins and their emphasis on quality over quantity in terms
16:31 of their shot selection, that's all well and good.
16:33 And like you had guys, you had a good body.
16:36 You guys had players that could really impact the game.
16:39 But if you're not generating quality shot chances, then you're not forcing turnovers.
16:43 What's the point of having the guys like James Jenn Reamseek or anything like that?
16:48 So, yeah, absolutely.
16:50 And I think, you know, that's something that they need to continue to collect more of.
16:55 And it's like they need players that play that way.
17:00 And they also need players, though, that can finish.
17:03 And that's part of it, too.
17:05 And like it was interesting.
17:06 There was somebody on Twitter had sent me this question and I had talked about it a
17:10 little bit in a mailbag episode.
17:12 But I want to pose this to you because I think it's interesting to think about.
17:15 And it's an interesting exercise with the Bruins.
17:19 How many top first line players would you rate that the Bruins have right now?
17:23 Like legit, genuine first line forwards?
17:27 David Poster, not.
17:28 Yes.
17:29 That's about it.
17:31 That's about it.
17:32 And maybe maybe maybe Brad Marshall, maybe Brad Marshall, a top line player.
17:37 But you could say second line at this point in his career, like a little bit older, like
17:42 whatever.
17:43 But like I think those two, you would say, you know, definitely qualify for one of those
17:47 two.
17:48 How many second line players do you think the Bruins have?
17:49 If you I'm sure you'd consider Marcia in a second line player if you didn't.
17:52 Yeah.
17:53 Second line player.
17:54 And then, yeah, I think it's all guys in elevator roles that are solid players like,
17:58 you know, Koil Zaka did a solid job.
18:00 He's in the regular season.
18:01 But again, it's like the reason why I think you need to add to this team and put guys
18:04 in spots where they're better suited.
18:06 Like I'd rather if you told me next year you have the means to add guys to this team and
18:11 ends up with a third line of Frederick Koil Geeky.
18:15 That's pretty good third line.
18:16 Yes.
18:17 I think you feel really good about what your team is that again, it's not to like trash
18:21 on Koil for what he did in the regular season.
18:23 But like you see in the playoffs when you need more of that high end talent, like if
18:27 you're putting guys in these elevated roles, you can't expect them to carry what they did
18:31 in November and December and to where you are in May when you're going to get some really
18:35 good Florida team.
18:36 So I think the Bruins are I think have a lineup with a lot of good players.
18:41 That's a great thing to have.
18:42 But if you need elite high end players that elevate when you get to the playoffs, you need
18:47 you desperately need more of that moving forward.
18:49 Yeah.
18:50 And it's when when somebody poses you the question in that way and you start to think
18:54 about it, you're like they are definitely short a couple of at least one top six forward,
18:59 maybe two, because I would I would say Poshnick's obviously definitely a top line player.
19:03 No question about it.
19:04 I might even put Marcian as a top line player.
19:07 Zaka, I think is a legit second liner, like a wing, though.
19:11 I don't think, you know, maybe a center, but he's a you know, he's a winger with defensive
19:16 tendencies.
19:17 He plays a full game like I would put him as a second line guy and DeBrusque.
19:21 I guess if he was still there, I would maybe I put him as a second line player, even though
19:26 I think he'd be best as a third line guy on a really deep, like excellent team.
19:31 But even if you like give yourself Zaka and DeBrusque and consider DeBrusque staying,
19:37 that's four forwards in the six top six spots, you know, like you're definitely short, I
19:43 think, a forward or two in your top six.
19:47 And that's why I think they need to go out and the actual spend the money on a player
19:51 instead of like trying to collect third and fourth line wingers and hope somebody pops
19:56 or a couple of them elevator one of your internal guys to your point, like Fabian Lysel, you
20:01 know, shows that he's ready and can step up and maybe replace a Jake DeBrusque, which,
20:05 you know, maybe that happens that it's certainly possible he became a really good player in
20:09 the HL.
20:11 He may be able to produce at the NHL level, but there's a learning curve with a guy like
20:14 that for sure.
20:15 Yeah.
20:16 Especially with some of the tendencies I think we saw out of him in Providence.
20:20 It might take him a little bit to really like figure it out at the NHL level.
20:24 So I'd rather see them, you know, pay somebody seven, 8 million.
20:30 That's going to legit 9 million.
20:31 That's going to come in here and really make an impact and score goals and, and, you know,
20:36 make everybody else elevate their games and lift everybody else up and join Pasternak
20:41 and maybe Marcian is legit.
20:43 No doubt.
20:44 Like top of the line kind of players.
20:47 Anybody that you see in the free agent market that you say, this is my guy.
20:54 This is the guy I think they should get.
20:55 I really like this player and he could be a difference maker here.
20:58 Yeah.
20:59 I mean, in terms of the talent alone, it's easy to really like what we got, like Sam
21:03 Reinhart brings as a, you know, obviously you look at, I mean, what is it?
21:06 57 goals yet?
21:07 Like no crap.
21:08 Like, I think you'd love to have a guy like that.
21:10 Also really, really good.
21:11 I think two way player.
21:12 He's a wing, but is very defensively responsible, which Bruins sure love guys that you don't
21:17 have to worry about all that much.
21:18 Yep.
21:19 I think my one issue with Reinhart, as you look at his numbers and a lot of his chances
21:23 are off of passes are generated off of like you know, tips, rebounds, a lot of being,
21:30 I think a by-product of being in a very talented team has helped him out.
21:33 And again, he was a good player before this year, obviously, but I think if you're spending,
21:38 you know, this guy's making 10, 10 and a half million, he's 28, 57 goals.
21:42 So he's going to, he's going to get paid if you're signing him.
21:44 If you've got a team where your top six is still Charlie Coyle and Pavel Zaka, are you
21:50 going to be a 57 goal guy?
21:51 Are you going to be, you know, a 30 goal, 75, 81 guy, still a good player, but maybe
21:56 not when you want to spend, you know, $10 million on.
22:01 So I could see Reinhart going somewhere else for me.
22:03 He's got more high end talent to work with, especially in the top six, maybe.
22:07 But I think for me, the guy that makes the most sense, even if, is he like a slam dunk
22:13 guy?
22:14 And I guess that's not the best ring endorsement, but like, I think Elias Lindholm is still
22:16 a guy that makes the most sense for this team in terms of just one feeling a need, defensively
22:22 responsible, helps you out in face-offs.
22:24 And I think with him, there's one, the expectation, I think he's due for a bounce back year.
22:29 Didn't really have a good season with Calgary and Vancouver in the regular season, at least,
22:34 but he had a good playoff though.
22:36 Right?
22:37 Yeah.
22:38 He had a good playoff.
22:39 Is, you know, a guy that, you know, is not overly physical, but wins puck battles, operates
22:42 in a lot.
22:43 I think you'll saw in Vancouver, like in the playoffs, a lot of grade A ice, he's winning
22:48 puck battles down there doing the little things, which is encouraging to see.
22:51 But I think just so you look at what the need is there, the fact that he should be due for
22:55 bounce back year and for him, that's, you know, 55, 65 points, which I think is the
23:01 bare minimum what you can get from a guy like that.
23:04 I think that's the guy that makes the most sense, not only for his own production, but
23:08 as I said before, the domino effect of what you bring in a guy like Lintone and how that
23:12 pushes other good players into roles where I think they're better utilized, whether it's
23:17 moving Zaka to the wing, whether it's moving coil down, I just think it makes the rest
23:21 of your team better having another sentiment in place.
23:24 Yeah.
23:25 And I think everybody's in agreement too, that like the number one priority on this
23:30 team, as far as from a roster standpoint is they need a center frontline, legit top six
23:37 center, a guy that can do battle with the Sasha Barkovs of the world.
23:40 Like it was obvious in the playoffs, how dominant Barkov was against anybody they were trying
23:45 to throw out there, like how much you needed somebody to at least like counteract him a
23:50 little bit, you know, and, and, and slow him down a little bit.
23:54 Uh, and the face off thing, the face off, uh, issue, the, um, carrying the puck up the
24:00 ice, the offensive zone possession time issue, all that stuff goes back to the center position.
24:05 You know, so much of that is about having centers that can get the puck up the ice fast,
24:09 get into the offensive zone.
24:10 Um, you know, in addition to, you know, the, the defensive responsibilities and all the
24:14 other stuff that they do, like you need somebody that's a legit guy in the league and they,
24:20 you know, uh, Zaka, it feels like is kind of a hybrid where he does some things really
24:25 well that a centerman does, but other things, not so much, especially in a top six level,
24:30 uh, where you're expected to, you know, be excellent at everything.
24:34 And I agree with you, like Charlie coil, I think they, the Bruins would be at their best
24:40 if he was playing in the third line, because that would mean they'd have such a massive
24:45 advantage over other teams when you match up line to line and the depth of their team.
24:50 Like I give him all the credit in the world.
24:52 Cause he proved something to himself, to everybody else with the way he played during the regular
24:56 season where he did a lot of Patrice Bergeron, like things he put up Patrice Bergeron, like
25:00 numbers like he did.
25:03 It was a workhorse and he did great things for them.
25:05 And it was like, you know, he answered the call of what they needed.
25:09 Like they needed somebody to step up and play like that.
25:12 And he did it.
25:13 But I think you saw during the playoffs that it's a lot to ask somebody that, you know,
25:18 played at an elevated level all season.
25:20 It was probably playing as well as they possibly could to try to elevate even more in the playoffs.
25:25 It just, I don't, I'm not sure it was there for him to go to that next level that you,
25:29 you know, some of these players need to go to, if you're going to win a Stanley cup.
25:32 Yeah, no, absolutely.
25:33 And you even look at like that, that series against Florida, I feel like it's always the
25:37 hallmark of a team.
25:38 That's going to go far in the playoffs when your third line is clicking.
25:40 What do you know, like in that series who gave you a lot of clutch goals if you're Florida,
25:44 but Anton Lundell on that line, like you've got a, yeah, yeah.
25:48 And he's a, he's their third line guy when they have, when Ben and Barkov are there,
25:52 you can slot a very good player like Anton Lundell to be your line driver down there
25:57 on the third line.
25:58 And that's what a guy like Coyle can do if he's in that spot.
26:01 So that's why I think getting a guy like Lintone, you know, really, I think puts the pieces
26:05 more in place.
26:06 And is he like a legit, is he the 40 goal guy?
26:09 He was at one year in Calgary where everyone went off.
26:11 No, but if he gives you 60 points with that defensive play.
26:15 And again, who knows what, if you have a whole year with David Poston, like what that could
26:19 be like, he kind of reminds me a little bit of, you know, Ryan O'Reilly last year where
26:24 he was kind of banged up with the blues, went to Toronto.
26:26 It was like a third line center.
26:28 And you're like, all right, he's what, 33.
26:29 Like maybe this is more of what he's going to be.
26:31 Ryan O'Reilly, really good player, top six guy, but at this age, and then he goes to
26:36 Nashville and has 70 points and looks like the old Ryan O'Reilly.
26:39 It's like, uh, if you've got a guy like Lintone, when you put him with a guy like Poster knock
26:44 and a new system and, and give him the keys to, you know, premium minutes out there, as
26:48 opposed to being kind of on the wing or whatever he was in Vancouver for most of that stretch,
26:53 I think you can get, you know, more of the, maybe not the 40 goal guy, but 25 goals, 60
26:59 points and how good he is defensively and how good he makes the rest of the team by,
27:03 you know, taking a critical spot in the lineup.
27:05 I think if you're the Bruins, that's the guy you have to go after.
27:07 Yeah, I think it will.
27:09 They will.
27:10 I mean, the, the, the one you can kind of, even if you don't have inside information
27:16 on it, you can draw a lot from the context clues with the Bruins as to what they're going
27:20 to do.
27:21 Like they're kind of predictable when it comes to that stuff, but it's fine because it's
27:23 deliberate.
27:24 You know what they're going to do that, you know, you know what to expect out of them.
27:27 And it's, it's why I didn't think Jake DeBrusque was coming back.
27:30 Cause he wasn't signed like at any point during the year and there was nothing going on.
27:34 And that's usually the sign that, you know, that, that it's, it's not going to work out.
27:40 But the same token, there's plenty of breadcrumbs on the trail of them liking Elias Lindholm,
27:45 valuing him as a player, trying to get them last year at the trade deadline.
27:49 And then there was even murmurs of maybe they're going to try to get them from Vancouver.
27:52 If Vancouver was going to try to deal him like there's a, there's a lot of smoke to
27:56 the fire there that they like this player and they value this player.
27:59 And you know, that usually comes to fruition if they have the money, if the interest is
28:03 there on both sides.
28:05 So I would say you're right.
28:06 I think the inside track on who they're going to get is a guy like Elias Lindholm.
28:11 I just wonder if they can get Elias Lindholm and they can also get somebody that can put
28:15 the puck in the net on the wing as well.
28:16 And they're kind of going to have to, right?
28:17 If DeBrusque goes somewhere else, they're going to have to bring somebody else in that
28:21 can is, is at least capable of scoring 30 goals in the league.
28:25 You know, maybe hasn't done it yet, but has that kind of skill level has that kind of
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29:56 Which brings me actually to the next item on here.
30:00 A lot of smoke and a lot of fire when Elliot Friedman says anything because he's so well
30:05 connected and he sort of connected the dots and started talking about Linus Allmark in
30:10 Carolina and that they talked last year, the Bruins in Carolina and Allmark that that was
30:15 a destination he might've gone to.
30:17 And then linking Martin H. Oz to it a little bit as well.
30:21 Do you think that there's any, um, credence to this kind of thing happening?
30:28 Would you do this if you were the Bruins?
30:30 Would you do this if you were Carolina?
30:33 And you know, what do you think of NHS as a player?
30:35 Yeah.
30:36 I mean, obviously the first thing comes down to is whether or not Allmark would, you know,
30:40 they're on his list.
30:41 I do think if you're Allmark and you're, you know, you're trying to find where you want
30:45 to go.
30:46 Carolina does, I think makes sense for him in terms of what it's a good team.
30:50 They pretty structured team in front of him.
30:52 Like I also feel like one thing people forget with Allmark said he's due a new contract.
30:56 He doesn't want to go to some crap team or even if he's, it's like Buffalo, right?
31:00 Where he has a good year, he's doing his job, but he still ends up with a nine, 10 say percentage
31:05 like you're not going to get paid.
31:07 You know, you could tell the contract was on his mind at the end of the season when
31:10 he was talking to the media.
31:11 It was very obvious that that was a concern and that's something he was thinking about.
31:15 And that's ultimately why I think he does wave his no trade and go somewhere because
31:20 he's doing other contract.
31:22 He's not going to get the same earning power if he's playing 30 games here behind Jeremy
31:26 Swain and, and not playing in the playoffs, he'd be much better served accepting a trade
31:30 somewhere where he can play and either have like a wink, wink, like contract extension
31:34 waiting for him that he already knows is going to be there.
31:37 Or he can play into like a bigger contract somewhere else and bet on himself with a huge
31:42 season.
31:43 But I, I think when the season gets over and he kind of thinks about it and he gets away
31:47 from sort of like the, you know, the allegiance to Boston and loving it here and his family
31:51 loving it here.
31:52 I, and when he talks to his agent, frankly, too, he's going to understand like the business
31:56 side of it is it makes sense for you to accept a trade to a good team where you could have
32:01 a monster season and either with that team or somebody else, you're going to get a big
32:04 contract extension.
32:05 Yeah.
32:06 So I do think like Carolina would make sense for him in terms of whether it's be a one
32:10 year landing spot where you can be the number one guy, play on a good team, good system
32:16 in front of them, have a good year and get paid after that.
32:19 Will Carolina do it?
32:20 I mean, they've got Kochekov and Freddie Anderson signed for next year, but you look at what
32:24 the returns have been in the playoffs time and time again.
32:27 It's not to say that Omar is a proven nails playoff guy, but if you're looking to change
32:32 things up with a guy like Omar, you know, that could be the case for this Carolina team.
32:38 That's kind of have some hard decisions to make.
32:40 Like I think ideally they'd like to keep a guy like Marty natures, but you look at just
32:44 how many guys they have do new contracts.
32:46 They've got a lot of guys, you know, a year or two down the line, especially that are
32:49 due sizable pay raises, right?
32:52 You have like seven charges who had a breakout year, like they can't keep all of them.
32:55 So I can see the rationale in terms of you got to go like Marty natures, who is doing
33:01 nice new contract and you're making the most of it.
33:04 If you're the Bruins, I think it would make plenty of sense.
33:06 Like what would the return be like?
33:09 Would it be a straight all mark for natures?
33:10 I don't know if you could throw a prospect in as well.
33:14 I think you would have to give up more than that.
33:16 Like I just don't, you know, and this goes back to the goaltending market and the value
33:21 for goalies.
33:22 Like I just don't, Sweeney was like trying to do the GM thing when it was asked about
33:26 the Cory Schneider trade.
33:27 Yeah.
33:28 I was like, that was a decade ago.
33:29 Yeah.
33:30 That was a long time ago.
33:31 And that was like a shocker at the time.
33:32 Like what, how, why are they giving all of this up?
33:36 I think that the gold, the market for goaltenders just isn't there.
33:40 Like obviously the market is what somebody will spend to get the player.
33:45 Like ultimately the market is set by like how desperate a team is.
33:48 I just don't think anybody is going to be that desperate for any goaltender to super
33:54 overspend for it.
33:55 And I don't even think a hockey trade where you're getting a really good young forward,
34:00 like they're not going to give up that and say, okay, we've got a goaltender with one
34:04 year left on this contract.
34:05 Like that's an even swap.
34:06 They're going to want more than that, obviously to make a deal like that happen.
34:10 Yeah.
34:11 So I do think you have to throw something else into it, but I still think if you're
34:15 the Bruins, it makes sense in terms of if you're looking at just speed, that's a Marty
34:19 Natchez is that guy can fly out there.
34:22 He's great at generating zone entries, all those things.
34:25 He obviously has, he's 25.
34:27 There's a lot of appeal of like, all right, just stay below next to, you know, a guy like
34:30 David Pasternak.
34:31 Again, he was more of a right wing with Carolina.
34:35 He's I think a natural center man, but I think his face off numbers are dreadful.
34:39 So I think if you're the Bruins, it has to be like, all right, we either give him the
34:42 chance here, but even if he is just like a top six wing, the speed, the scale, what he
34:47 brings his age.
34:48 Like if you're the Bruins and you're trying to identify guys for this year and to build
34:53 for the future, like, would you rather a guy like that?
34:56 Would you rather like a Tyler to fully, right?
34:59 32 is, you know, you sign him, you're going to get 20, 25 goals.
35:03 But if you're the Bruins and you're trying to build this team up and you have a guy like
35:07 natures who's shown that potential has had a 70 point season, but probably has more to
35:12 give, especially just in a new system.
35:15 Like those are the guys you should be looking at.
35:18 And if you're able to swap an asset where the headliner is a guy that probably isn't
35:22 long for here anyway, and all mark, and he's kind of the headliner or whatever you're going
35:25 to give in that deal.
35:27 That's a, that's what I think the moves you have to look at if you're Don Sweeney in terms
35:31 of augmenting this team, adding a lot of skill, adding a lot of speed and scoring while making
35:37 the most of a guy that is already kind of on his way out and all mark.
35:40 Like if you're able to get a guy like nature's out of that, that that's a home run in terms
35:44 of just making the most of what you have with an asset that, you know, people were looking
35:48 at last year, moving all mark.
35:50 And it was like, what were you going to get a second, third round pick?
35:52 You get Marty natures as part of it.
35:54 That's pretty good.
35:55 Yeah.
35:56 It makes all the sense in the world.
35:57 I think for the Bruins to make that deal makes less sense for Carolina to make.
36:01 I think they might be able to get more for knee chest, which is why you'd have to add
36:06 sweeteners.
36:07 I think if you're the Bruins to make it happen, but just the fact that Carolina has interest
36:12 in all mark is something to, you know, it's something to note.
36:16 And I think that's not unimportant.
36:18 I think that's a pretty important thing that they were looking for gold standing at the
36:22 deadline that they're that unsure about what they have at go at the goalie position that
36:26 they need to go out and get somebody like that.
36:29 And you know, I think there's also going to be, I think there should be anyway, there
36:34 should be voice for change in Carolina at this point, some kind of changes because they
36:38 continue to underachieve with what they have.
36:41 And obviously they're a talented team.
36:42 They do really well in the regular season, but like, that's a team more, I think than
36:47 the Bruins that you would look at at this point and say like the first and second round
36:52 exits are not getting to the Stanley cup finals.
36:54 Like that's a problem now at this point with that team that's been building for a while,
36:58 they've got a really good coach.
37:00 They've got really good players.
37:01 Like what's wrong there.
37:02 They, you know, something needs to get switched up a little bit with the Carolina hurricanes.
37:07 All right.
37:08 This is the tweet of the week.
37:10 Posts one, one, one, three.
37:13 A is the Twitter account.
37:15 Very mega.
37:16 It's like a droid and serial number.
37:18 It really is.
37:19 It's something that's in the Jawa sand crawler.
37:21 Yes.
37:22 But this is an NHL tweet.
37:27 Florida Edmonton is Gary Bettman's nightmare scenario.
37:30 Bettman wants New York, Dallas.
37:31 He'll do all he can to get it.
37:34 What do you think was the real reason for no suspension on Jacob Truba?
37:38 All right.
37:39 This is the grassy, no like conspiracy guy right here.
37:42 Like I gotta be honest with you.
37:44 I don't think Florida Edmonton is anywhere close to Gary Bettman's nightmare.
37:48 Like obviously they're not huge markets, right?
37:51 TV markets, whatever.
37:52 That's fine.
37:53 Yeah.
37:54 There's no scenario where the face of the league, the superstar of the league being
37:58 in the Stanley Cup final is a nightmare scenario.
38:01 Like that is your biggest star, your most marketable commodity being on the biggest
38:06 stage, being able to put on a show, like add to his legend, like really stamp himself as
38:11 one of the greatest of all time.
38:14 And you've got Florida who Gary Bettman's going to continue to want to trumpet like
38:19 the non-traditional market teams, the Sunbelt teams, the teams that he kind of worked to
38:24 get into the league and, and be viable in the league.
38:28 And at times like help pay their bills to make sure they could stay in these places.
38:33 Like to have those two teams in the Stanley Cup final, I think there are plenty of things
38:38 that they can trumpet, that they can celebrate and that they can brag about and talk about
38:43 the overall health and wellbeing of the league.
38:45 On the Canadian market in the Stanley Cup finals, never a bad thing either.
38:49 Like it's nowhere close to the nightmare scenario.
38:52 Really the only nightmare scenario is for the teams in the media who would have to fly
38:57 back and forth from Florida to Edmonton, which like good luck getting a frigging direct flight
39:02 between those two places.
39:05 But like that would be, and I think that's part of the reason maybe that they built in
39:08 two off days in between all the travel days in the Stanley Cup final.
39:13 Every time there's travel, it's two days off, which they don't normally do.
39:16 I don't remember that being a thing.
39:18 Maybe they learned something from the Boston Vancouver took, took years off of my life,
39:24 all those, those flights back and forth and the lack of sleep.
39:27 But I just don't buy anywhere that this would be a nightmare scenario.
39:31 I think this would be the best series we could possibly ask for if the Oilers and the Panthers
39:35 and I playing each other in the Stanley Cup final.
39:36 Yeah, I agree, Joe.
39:38 I think when you look at like the things about matchups and markets, everyone looks at the
39:42 TV market and all that as the main thing.
39:44 But yeah, it's I think especially in the NHL where you're already kind of fourth on the
39:48 list of teams and you're trying to stick your, you know, get that airtime, especially like
39:52 on a national stage.
39:53 I think it has to be about the players.
39:55 Right.
39:56 And I think you even look at, I was watching like sports and a few days ago and it was
40:00 the Dallas Edmonton game and Dallas one and all the stuff afterwards was like a McDavid
40:06 B roll of him talking afterwards.
40:08 But yes, it's it's better for the NHL if Conor McDavid is having highlight reel goals and
40:13 it's the Cup final.
40:14 Yes.
40:15 And these these programs that aren't as invested in it can show a guy like McDavid as opposed
40:19 to, you know, Chris Kreider.
40:21 But listen, Rangers have a lot of great players, even like Panarin.
40:25 But like they don't draw the same numbers.
40:26 Right.
40:27 And it's the same thing with like Florida, Florida.
40:30 You look at their operation down there and what they have.
40:33 But people now I think know who a guy like Matthew Kachuk is off of like all the highlights
40:38 of what he did last year.
40:39 You will get how physical and entertaining Florida plays like and you look at how entertaining
40:44 Edmonton plays.
40:45 Like if you're just if the NHL knows they're going to have their passionate ingrained fans,
40:50 you know, the the Jason Robertson's and the Jake Ottinger's and all these players and
40:55 Chris Tannev and how good defensively he is.
40:57 They already have those guys all set.
40:59 The watch friggin Winnipeg in the Stanley Cup final.
41:01 That's what it is.
41:02 Right.
41:03 So if you're trying to get the the casual fan, what better way to do it than to showcase
41:08 the the best player in the world in Conor McDavid against the best heel in the NHL and
41:14 Matthew Kachuk?
41:15 Like I think it comes down to the players and what they bring as a best way to market
41:20 things like look at the Celtics and Mavs with Kyrie Irving against Jason Tatum and all those
41:24 things like I think if it's McDavid against Kachuk in that team, I think that's a win
41:29 for the NHL.
41:31 I totally agree.
41:32 Absolutely.
41:33 I think we've just solved all the league's problems and we pooh poohed that conspiracy
41:37 theorist back to his grassy knoll.
41:39 Good job, Connor.
41:40 I appreciate that.
41:41 All right.
41:42 Thank you, Connor, very much for joining us.
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42:16 If Connor McDavid's in it, if Matthew Kachuk's in it, you can bet how many times an opponent's
42:21 going to take his mouthpiece and try to throw it into the stands.
42:24 Chris Kreider style, which I certainly appreciated.
42:27 That's a lot of mass whole mass whole crime right there where he tries to throw his mouthpiece
42:32 into the stands and then cry.
42:33 And then Kachuk says that was the best play he made the entire game to Kreider.
42:37 Like that's total, well done.
42:38 Total mass whole encounter right there.
42:40 I love it.
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43:08 I want to see Kyrie Irving have an absolute giant baby in a soiled diaper meltdown at
43:15 center court while he's getting booed like Versace.
43:18 I want to see Kyrie Irving have a giant baby in a soiled diaper meltdown at center court
43:23 vociferously by everybody there.
43:25 I can't wait to see like what the mature new Kyrie Irving is going to do when the garden
43:29 comes down.
43:30 Exactly.
43:31 It goes at him.
43:32 It's going to be theater.
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43:56 Connor, thank you very much for joining us.
43:57 Thanks for having me, Joe.
43:59 You got it.
44:00 Anytime my friend, let's do it again soon.
44:01 All right, everybody.
44:02 Thank you for listening.
44:03 We'll see you at the rink.
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