Pucks with Haggs host Joe Haggerty and guest Mick Colageo answer Bruins fan questions, including whether the B's have what it takes to executive a trade for Leon Draisaitl.
The hosts reflect on past roster decisions, the challenges of acquiring elite players like Draisaitl, and the strategic player development approach of the Bruins. They analyze trade scenarios involving key players and emphasize the importance of assessing team needs and competitive landscapes. Join the conversation as they explore the complexities of player valuations, team strategies, and the impact of recent trades on player contracts. Stay tuned for insights on player contracts, negotiation tactics, and the dynamic nature of team building in the NHL.
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Fan questions
6:37 - Challenges faced by the Bruins roster
8:08 - Missed player's impact
10:11 - Future contract concerns
17:36 - Regret over trading Ryan Lindgren
19:31 - Importance of a bridge defenseman
21:35 - Bruins' limitations in acquiring Leon Draisaitl
23:46 - Trading David Pastrnak
25:36 - Investing in young players
31:42 - Scoring goals in hockey
34:22 - Contract negotiation insights
36:19 - Potential player acquisitions
39:26 - Line adjustments potential
42:04 - Concerns about signing Swayman
45:08 - Negotiating Swayman's contract
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The hosts reflect on past roster decisions, the challenges of acquiring elite players like Draisaitl, and the strategic player development approach of the Bruins. They analyze trade scenarios involving key players and emphasize the importance of assessing team needs and competitive landscapes. Join the conversation as they explore the complexities of player valuations, team strategies, and the impact of recent trades on player contracts. Stay tuned for insights on player contracts, negotiation tactics, and the dynamic nature of team building in the NHL.
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Fan questions
6:37 - Challenges faced by the Bruins roster
8:08 - Missed player's impact
10:11 - Future contract concerns
17:36 - Regret over trading Ryan Lindgren
19:31 - Importance of a bridge defenseman
21:35 - Bruins' limitations in acquiring Leon Draisaitl
23:46 - Trading David Pastrnak
25:36 - Investing in young players
31:42 - Scoring goals in hockey
34:22 - Contract negotiation insights
36:19 - Potential player acquisitions
39:26 - Line adjustments potential
42:04 - Concerns about signing Swayman
45:08 - Negotiating Swayman's contract
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00:00Pucks with Hags is brought to you by Price Picks
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00:14This is the 109th episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast.
00:17I'm your host, Joe Hagerty.
00:18You can find my work at joehagerty.substack.com.
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00:26I also write columns three times a week,
00:29usually, for the Boston Sports Journal.
00:31Check out bostonsportsjournal.com.
00:34For all my latest, I have something up right now
00:36about Max Jones and the Bruins,
00:38hoping they can get maybe a little bit more
00:40out of the former first-round pick
00:41than the Ducks did as a free agent,
00:43signing that was kind of under the radar
00:45with Elias Lindholm and Nikita Zdorov
00:48taking up most of the conversational space on July 1.
00:51With me today, I have my longtime friend
00:53and colleague, Mick Colaggio.
00:55Mick, please tell everybody where they can find your work.
00:58They can find my work weekly at bostonhockeynow.com.
01:02I do a Sunday column.
01:03I haven't posted this week's yet,
01:05but it's coming.
01:07It's coming.
01:09And then I have a blog called Rink Wrap,
01:12but I'm not very active on that right now,
01:14but I'm gonna revive that as well.
01:16And then I do some radio with Pete Shepard.
01:21I'm frequently here.
01:23Thank you, Joe.
01:25Yep, got it.
01:26You know, so I get around.
01:30You get around, Mick,
01:30because you're a great hockey guy,
01:32and it is a pleasure to always have you on, my friend.
01:35We are gonna get into some questions from fans this week.
01:39It's kind of a two-man mailbag,
01:42hagbag episode here.
01:43All right, Mick,
01:44we're gonna answer some questions here, my friend.
01:48Let's just get into the first one from Roger Perry.
01:50This was on my Facebook,
01:53sent to me as a Facebook message at my Facebook fan page.
01:56Roger Perry asked,
01:57with so much turnover on the Bruins roster
01:59in each of the past several seasons,
02:01can you say which players you wish had been retained
02:04and not allowed to land with another team?
02:06Thanks.
02:07Love the podcast, Roger Perry.
02:09Good question, Mick.
02:10Anybody that has left-
02:12Johnny Boychuck.
02:13Who?
02:14Johnny Boychuck.
02:15Johnny Boychuck.
02:16All right.
02:16Well, that one's an easy one
02:18to go back and second guess for sure.
02:20And like, honestly,
02:22and I don't know if I've told this story before,
02:24but like, we all knew covering the team at that point
02:27that the sort of Damocles was hanging over
02:29a bunch of the defensemen on that team
02:31and somebody had to go.
02:32And you thought it was gonna be Boychuck
02:34because he had the most value.
02:35And because he was coming up,
02:38his contract was gonna be up-
02:39And you had Dougie Hamilton coming along.
02:41And you had Dougie Hamilton coming along.
02:43And I remember when he got traded,
02:45it was I believe the last preseason game
02:48before the regular season started.
02:49I think they're playing the Red Wings at the Garden.
02:52And he got traded that day.
02:53And I remember having to do TV afterwards
02:57instead of going down into Claude Julien's press conference
02:59after the game was over.
03:01So Claude gets up to the days,
03:04gets up to the table to do the post-game press conference,
03:07sees that I'm not there and says,
03:09where's Hags right now?
03:10Is he somewhere crying?
03:11Cause his boy, Johnny Boychuck just got traded.
03:14And that was how he started the press conference off.
03:16Cause he knew that Johnny Boy and I were pretty tight.
03:19Johnny Rocket and I were pretty tight.
03:22Still are.
03:22We still send messages back and forth to each other.
03:24I love that guy.
03:25Great player, great person.
03:27Still involved with the Islanders.
03:30Got young kids that are playing hockey now.
03:31It's fun to watch him and follow his family on Instagram.
03:35But that's a guy, absolutely, you wish they hadn't traded.
03:40They got two second round picks for him.
03:43And then traded away some of those picks.
03:45Basically traded the picks they got for him
03:46to get Brett Conley.
03:47We talked about that, I think, a couple of weeks ago.
03:50How that just didn't work out.
03:51Yeah, you can't judge a Johnny Boychuck move on that.
03:56The fact that Brett Conley didn't pan out only sours it,
03:59but it doesn't judge it.
04:01It just on its own merit, I was never crazy about it
04:04because you just lost Andrew Ference to UFA,
04:09which was necessarily gonna happen
04:10on the cap situation there.
04:12But the thing that really doubled down the pain
04:15of the Johnny Boychuck decision
04:18was when Dennis Seidenberg went down midway
04:19through the 13, 14 year that they won the President's Trophy
04:25and they never adequately replaced him.
04:28And as a result, and then it got compounded even further
04:32when Adam McQuaid went out of the lineup
04:35and Kevin Miller was extremely raw at that point.
04:38So you had Torrey Krug, Kevin Miller,
04:41Dougie Hamilton, Matt Bartkowski,
04:44because at the end of the day,
04:46contrary to what the legacy of Claude Julien unfairly is,
04:50he preferred Matt Bartkowski
04:52to the veteran pickup at the deadline.
04:54So that to me, you can't have entry level defenseman
05:00on all pairings and win more than one round in the playoff.
05:04And that was, what's his name?
05:07Csara Slovakian, by the way.
05:08Mazaros.
05:10Yeah, Andre Mazaros, who infamously Csara
05:13really kind of panned when they asked him about it.
05:16I was standing right in front of him.
05:18I think I was the one who's lips were moving
05:19and Z just had nothing to say.
05:23And that told me with the fact
05:25that they had played together in Ottawa,
05:27I'm thinking, oh boy, that's not a ringing endorsement.
05:31No, no, it's not good.
05:32Turned out to be, you know, a really,
05:37you know, that team got left at the altar.
05:39And you know what the funniest part about that is?
05:43Shirely, and I'm not down on Peter Shirely.
05:48I think Peter Shirely takes way too much crap
05:50as the only general manager since Milt Schmidt
05:53to win the Stanley Cup in Boston.
05:55I agree.
05:56And he said, we're all in.
05:59If you're all in, you would have traded Ryan Spooner
06:02who at the time, at the time had a clout.
06:082007 Hockey's Championship coffee mug here.
06:12There you go.
06:13Yeah, I agree with you.
06:17You had to get an incredible veteran there.
06:20All he did was get a bandaid.
06:22At the end of the day, once McQuaid was down,
06:26every pairing had multiple entry levels.
06:29You basically were looking at Shirely, Boyd, Chuck
06:33and four entry level guys.
06:35Well, by the time it was a couple of years
06:38after they'd won the cup, it was an aging group.
06:40It was a group that was having serious cap troubles.
06:44And they were trying to-
06:45Which goes with winning the Stanley Cup in this era.
06:46It just does.
06:47They were trying to bandaid a lot of stuff.
06:49And it got to the point,
06:50that's ultimately why Peter Shirely was gone
06:54was because that's the approach they had to take
06:56towards the end to try to keep things together
06:59because they'd overpaid for some guys
07:00to try to keep the band together a little bit
07:02and loyalty out of guys that won the cup.
07:04And I totally understand that.
07:07But like Boyd, Chuck was a guy that I felt like
07:11he was a guy that could play 82 games a year.
07:13He was a guy that was going to play hard every single night.
07:15He was a great leader.
07:16He was a guy that would block shots
07:17and do all the little things.
07:19He was a guy that was probably more offensively talented
07:22than any of the numbers he ever put up
07:24as far as like thinking the game, the big shot that he had.
07:28Like he was capable of doing,
07:29I think even more than he ended up doing
07:31from an offensive standpoint at the NHL level
07:34through big hits.
07:35Like basically did everything you want a defenseman to do.
07:38He was clutch goal, clutch assist, clutch fight,
07:42clutch, so many different ways he was clutch.
07:45And his teammates absolutely loved him too.
07:48They loved being around him.
07:50He broke through the gates of hell for you.
07:52I remember, I think he was hurt at the time
07:54with the Islanders and so was McQuaid.
07:56And it was during a game where the Bruins and Islanders
08:00were playing each other.
08:01So McQuaid was up in the press box.
08:03Johnny Boychuk was up in the press box.
08:05And I just remember the two of them
08:07basically were hanging out the whole game,
08:10even though there were two teams were playing each other
08:12and talking to McQuaid afterwards about,
08:14man, we really missed that guy.
08:15Like how much he laughed that night,
08:17like hanging out with Boychuk
08:19and how much they had missed his presence.
08:21Just his ability to make things light and fun
08:23through an 82 game regular season and make it interesting.
08:27And you can't put a price tag on players like that
08:31in a room as far as a team goes
08:33with like guys that bring everybody together
08:35and make it light and fun for them.
08:37So like that's part of it.
08:38I can't understand why Shirelli preferred
08:40Seidenberg to Boychuk when it came to training one,
08:43because Seidenberg could play both sides of the ice
08:45with a plumb.
08:46And so that's a tough choice, but it was a brutal outcome.
08:53It was.
08:54All right, so anybody recently
08:56in the last three or four years, Mick,
08:57getting back to Roger's question,
09:00under the Sweeney regime in the last handful of years.
09:03Can you hear us now and say Trent Frederick?
09:06Yeah, but you know what?
09:08I mean.
09:09I think he's gonna play for the Blues in the 25, 26 season.
09:14Maybe, yeah, maybe.
09:15But like, I think he gets to a certain point
09:18where like, yes, he's big.
09:21Yes, he's got some decent offensive abilities.
09:24Yes, he can be rough and tumble and drop the gloves
09:28and play physical every once in a while.
09:30But I don't think he does it often enough
09:32and he doesn't play that game
09:33the way he needs to play it often enough
09:35for him to be worth like big money.
09:38He's gonna get to a point soon
09:39where I think he's gonna command bigger money.
09:43And they're gonna have to have that sort of Jake.
09:46They're gonna have to have that sort of Jake.
09:48They're gonna have to have that sort of
09:49Jake DeBrusque, Torrey Krug conversation
09:52about, you know, is this guy getting more expensive
09:55than he's worth given the way he plays and what he does?
09:58And he's coming to that in the next few years.
10:01And yeah, maybe he does go to St. Louis
10:03and he lights it up because he's playing in his hometown
10:04and he's playing hard every night
10:06and, you know, playing the way the Bruins would like him
10:08to play all the time.
10:09I'm worried he's gonna be El Secord.
10:12Yeah.
10:13Or he's gonna be Cam Neely.
10:15Yeah.
10:16Yeah, you know what?
10:17He's not gonna be Cam Neely.
10:19He's not that good.
10:20I mean, not a hall of famer, but he's,
10:24but I do feel like there's more there.
10:27And the Bruins have been expert
10:30at identifying players around the league
10:32and saying, we think there's more there.
10:35And they go and they get this guy
10:38and they underpay for them.
10:40They bring them in on a modest contract, on an opportunity
10:43and they reveal within the context of their team,
10:47leadership, culture, chemistry, all of that good stuff
10:51and a boatload of goaltending
10:53and put them on a platform where the cup's half full
10:56and they thrive and they reveal the value of that player
11:00in ways that other teams couldn't do that.
11:02And to me, they got their own guy
11:06who they're not really doing that with
11:09to the degree that they would probably try to
11:13if he played for somebody else.
11:15Yeah, maybe.
11:16Or maybe they know more about that player
11:22to know that there's gonna come a time
11:24where they're gonna have to have a serious conversation
11:28about him and his value versus what he's gonna command
11:32as far as the contract goes.
11:35What's the problem?
11:36What did this run into?
11:38I think the Bruins have been very good about,
11:41to your point, identifying players on other teams
11:44that can come in with the Bruins and flourish
11:46and do better here than they did elsewhere.
11:49Some of that is grabbing teams from bad organizations
11:52that just don't know how to develop players.
11:53Some of that is they recognize players
11:55that are gonna be better in their system.
11:57But I think a lot of it just comes down
11:58to evaluating players
11:59and knowing their strengths and weaknesses
12:01and knowing who can play and who can't
12:02and who can do what.
12:04And I think they are pretty good at that
12:06with their own players too.
12:07I think they generally know who they should keep,
12:10who they shouldn't, what guy's value is,
12:12what they should pay them, what they shouldn't.
12:15And I think with Frederick,
12:18there may come a time where they decide to move on from him.
12:24But to your point, it's in the next year or two,
12:26like when his next contract is up,
12:28there's gonna be a tough conversation there
12:31as to how much they wanna pay him
12:33to continue to move forward with him.
12:35Especially if, like I said,
12:36he's not always playing the way they need him to play.
12:40I think he does it in flashes,
12:41he does it a decent amount of the time,
12:44but I don't know that he does it enough
12:45to really pay him big, big money.
12:47Well, and I guess the one thing,
12:49you've gone, you've taken this conversation-
12:51I still see him as a third line forward, Max, in the league.
12:54You know what I mean?
12:55I think he maxes out as a third line forward.
12:57A conversation about money that I didn't realize,
12:59in my mind, that it could go to.
13:02I'm not sure, I have not been thinking
13:05that he's gonna do what Kukru did
13:07and price himself out of his ability to help the Bruins,
13:10or DeBrusk, price himself out of his ability
13:13to help the Bruins.
13:15If Frederick does price himself out of his ability
13:17to help the Bruins, then I get it if they move on.
13:21But I hope that, I'm hoping,
13:23because I feel like they need more of his kind of player
13:27than fewer, then I would consider it a big disappointment
13:32if it doesn't work out.
13:35And I would hope that they could get him
13:36on some sort of an extension,
13:38given the fact that his growth has been kind of,
13:43I don't wanna say stunted,
13:44but I wanna say that it's not everything
13:46that I had hoped for at this point.
13:49I would think that he would be a great candidate
13:52for them to say, hey, here's our own in-house opportunity
13:55to plug somebody into the top six,
13:57to complete our top six,
13:58who can do it on a plumbing sort of identity.
14:03But I do think that he has a bit of a mental thing
14:05where he, I had a golf coach once telling me,
14:09when you think, you stink.
14:12I do think that sometimes Freddie tends to wonder
14:15if he's doing the right thing
14:17more than just go out and play the damn game.
14:20Play it, play it hard, pedal to the metal, let's go,
14:23and stop worrying about whether you're doing
14:24the right thing or not.
14:26And I think that his growth would be faster,
14:29even if there's more errors, there's more mistakes that way.
14:32But when they put him in,
14:34he's a Monty, he says he's a wing, not a center.
14:37And if that's the case, then go at it.
14:40Then go ahead and make your mistakes.
14:42You're not gonna kill, you're not gonna hurt the team
14:45by playing hard and making a few mistakes.
14:48You're not gonna, that's,
14:50your winger can afford that kind of growth pattern
14:52way more than a defenseman or a center.
14:56Yeah, err on the side of being aggressive offensively.
14:59Absolutely, please, please err on the side
15:01of being aggressive if you're playing wind.
15:04And I now suspect it's starting to hit me,
15:06the lights starting to finally twinkle,
15:08starting to flicker,
15:10that this is a Frankfurt, Toronto question.
15:13And I don't disagree with the Bruins moving on
15:18from Frank to Hank.
15:19I feel like he would have tanked here.
15:22I don't feel like he would have undergone
15:24the pissed off growth that he went through in his game
15:28to get his, whip his body into better shape.
15:31And some of that's the natural progression.
15:33A lot of guys need several years in their 20s
15:36in order to become the more professionalized version
15:40of themselves, a little lighter on their feet.
15:44He still can snap the puck with the best of them.
15:46He knows he's got the experience now in the league
15:49to understand how to play the game the right,
15:52the nasty way that best suits his style
15:55and what he brings to the table
15:56and why he's an effective player.
15:58Sure, a lot of people look at him now and said,
16:00I'd love to see him on the Bruins.
16:01Well, you know what?
16:03I'm not sure he'd be that player
16:05if he didn't go through what he went through.
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17:09No, I agree.
17:10And I don't view this, I don't view Vitrano
17:12as one of those guys that like got away or whatever,
17:15that you regret letting go.
17:16I think you're right.
17:17He's been a good player.
17:18Like he obviously became, you know,
17:20all-star player for the Ducks, I think it was last year.
17:23And that's great for him, great for his family.
17:25And like, he could put the puck in the net.
17:27There's no question he can shoot the puck.
17:28So like any team could use that.
17:30And there's been times when the Bruins
17:32could use that finishing ability,
17:33but he doesn't come to mind.
17:34The guy that comes to mind for me
17:37is in the name, the last name I can't,
17:39I'm blanking on right now, Ryan.
17:41Ryan from the New York Rangers, the defenseman.
17:44Oh, right.
17:45Yeah, Ryan Lindgren that they traded in the Rick Nash deal.
17:49Yeah.
17:50That's a guy I think they regret trading.
17:53I think they could really could have used that player
17:55given, you know, and hindsight is 20, 20.
17:57They didn't know-
17:58He went in the Rick Nash deal, right?
18:00Yes.
18:02They didn't know that Rick Nash was going to, you know,
18:06get a career in a concussion and have to retire early.
18:08They didn't know what Ryan Lindgren
18:10was going to turn into at the time.
18:12There was, you know-
18:13I watched him in the world juniors.
18:15And I recall thinking that Lindgren
18:17didn't quite have NHL speed.
18:20And I turned out to be quite wrong about that.
18:22But Mick, those guys are always sort of gritty,
18:26the gritty, physical, hard-nosed kind of players like that,
18:28especially the defenseman
18:29and stay-at-home defenseman to a degree.
18:31Those guys are always going to be difficult to gauge
18:34whether they're going to be able to make it
18:35in the NHL or they're not until they get there.
18:37So like, I'm not crucifying the Bruins for making the trade.
18:40That's the player they had to deal.
18:42I remember Don Sweeney, I was in Buffalo
18:44when he made the trade,
18:45when he talked to us about it afterwards.
18:47And he was really down on trading Lindgren.
18:50You could tell he did not want to give Lindgren up,
18:52but he had to do it in order to make the deal.
18:53And you could tell he was giving up something
18:56that he valued quite a bit.
18:58But like what he's turned into with the Rangers,
19:01a guy that plays with a burn in his saddle,
19:03a guy that's got an attitude
19:05that like smacks you in the face,
19:06a guy that's physical, a really competitive guy,
19:08just a winning hockey player on the back end,
19:11kind of what they've missed a little bit on their back end,
19:14those kinds of players.
19:15And at least having one of those kinds of guys
19:17that was just an a-hole to the other team
19:19when he was playing against them.
19:21And like, that's the guy I look at around the league
19:23and say like, wow, it'd be nice
19:25if the Bruins could have kept him.
19:26He would have been a valuable player.
19:28And Bruins fans would have loved him too, by the way.
19:30My little, my asterisk on that entire situation
19:34is always gonna be that they got the wrong guy.
19:37And it isn't about Nash's concussion or his career ending.
19:42It was about what they needed so desperately
19:45was a bridge defenseman between Shara and McAvoy.
19:48And that was Ryan McDonough
19:49because the Rangers simultaneously unloaded him
19:53and who gets him, Tampa Bay.
19:55And what did they do?
19:57I mean, that could be the big three in front of Vasilevsky.
20:00And they never looked back.
20:02You know, to me, that was the guy
20:03the Bruins needed, not Nash.
20:07All right, that was a good question, Roger, thanks.
20:09Keep sending questions like that.
20:11Those are good to have us go through,
20:13run the gamut of Bruins history from Johnny Boychuck
20:16to Ryan Lindgren and Ryan McDonough.
20:19He might be still thinking about
20:21our third and fourth line centermen too, you know.
20:25Going out, you know, you've got Corrales been gone.
20:28You've had Riley Nash has been gone.
20:31And who's the left shot sent from Europe
20:35that they had a couple of years ago?
20:38Joachim Nordstrom?
20:40No, he was a winger.
20:42He played center too, though, I think a little bit.
20:45Not Par Lindholm.
20:47No, no, no, no, no.
20:49Tall, good face-off left shot, hard-nosed player.
20:54Nosek?
20:55Huh?
20:56Yeah.
20:57Nosek?
20:59He's fine.
20:59I mean, like all the players you mentioned, though, Mick,
21:02what did they really do after they left?
21:04And that's my point, is like,
21:06I think the Bruins do a good job of bringing guys in,
21:09getting good years out of them,
21:10and then sort of moving on from them
21:12when the price gets too high.
21:13Like, they're good at that.
21:15It's been the only way to manage the cap.
21:17It's been the only way to manage the cap
21:18is to not keep those guys, but continue farming them up.
21:21And they're a lot of fourth liners
21:24for a lot of teams in the league.
21:26Yep, short money, short term.
21:28You get them for a couple of really good years,
21:31and then you move on.
21:34Which is more likely?
21:36Patra plus Lowry plus Lysell plus 2025 first-round pick
21:41equals Leon Dreisaitl?
21:43Or Brandon Bussey and Oskar Jelvik equals Rutger McGrorty
21:49from the Winnipeg Jets?
21:51Former first-round pick that did really well
21:54with Team USA at the World Juniors,
21:56and is said to be not on the same page
21:59with the Winnipeg Jets,
22:00so they may be looking to trade him.
22:04I don't think Leon Dreisaitl's likely at all.
22:06Certainly not for that package.
22:07Patra, Lowry, Lysell, and a 2025 first for Dreisaitl,
22:12I don't think that's gonna get it done.
22:13Like, the Bruins-
22:14There's 12 teams in the league that'll blow that away.
22:17Yeah, you would have to give up
22:19some kind of significant player at the NHL level
22:21to get him in addition to the first-round picks.
22:23What do they miss?
22:25Look at their team and say, what do they need?
22:28They don't need two dimes and a nickel.
22:32They need certain things to add to their team.
22:36They'd make it hurt.
22:38Yeah, and rightfully so.
22:42A Bruins team that does not have a...
22:46Even if I think their prospect pool
22:49is better than they're ranked by the Athletic
22:52or all the Draftnik guru, prospect guru people out there,
22:55even if I think their prospects are better
22:57than they consistently get ranked by those kind of people,
23:00around the league, it's not highly thought of
23:03as some of the other teams,
23:05and they don't have the super high-end star-type prospects
23:09in their system right now.
23:11So you're not gonna get a Leon Dreisaitl
23:14for what they have for prospects,
23:16not including a blue-chip NHL player,
23:20and, oh, by the way, your team is good,
23:22and so you're constantly picking
23:23at the end of the first round,
23:24so your first-round picks aren't even as highly valuable
23:26as some other teams would be as well.
23:29You look at all those combinations
23:31and all those factors together,
23:33the Bruins are not gonna be in the market
23:35for a Leon Dreisaitl.
23:36They're just not, because they do not have the pieces
23:38to get that kind of deal done.
23:40They're not even close to having enough
23:42to get a Leon Dreisaitl done with what they have right now.
23:45The only way it would happen is if they started talking
23:48about training David Posternak or something like that.
23:51That's right.
23:52That's the only way that kind of stuff happens.
23:56Yeah.
23:57Yeah, and I just don't see that happening.
23:58Can you imagine McDavid and Posternak playing together?
24:01That would be insane.
24:03It would be Bussy TV.
24:05It certainly would.
24:06It would be interesting.
24:07But Rutger McGrody, I don't think Bussy and Jelvik does it.
24:11Like, no.
24:14Bussy, you can't talk about like that yet
24:17because we haven't seen anything in the NHL,
24:20and he's already well into his mid-twenties.
24:22He's a late bloomer.
24:24It'd be great if it works out,
24:25but he doesn't have value right now.
24:28You would have to give up a first-round pick
24:31to replace the first-round pick they used on McGrody
24:34to pick him, and now that he's not gonna sign with him.
24:36That would be the starting point,
24:38and it would be more than that.
24:39It would be a first-round pick and a prospect of some kind,
24:42or a first-round pick and somebody from the NHL roster,
24:45not a star player,
24:46but somebody that the Jets could use at the NHL level.
24:50But I will say this, Mick.
24:51I think the chance of a guy like McGrody
24:54coming to the Bruins is much better
24:56than a player like Leon Dreisigl.
24:58And I could see that kind of deal happening.
25:00We've seen the Bruins jump on these kind of players before.
25:03Players that were picked by other teams,
25:05didn't want to sign with them.
25:07They value them.
25:07They know they're good players.
25:09It's a good young player you can lock up for a while,
25:11and they could bring him into the system.
25:13You know, when they were looking for a center
25:15before they signed Lindholm, before July 1st,
25:18I thought of him as like, that's an interesting guy.
25:21If you're looking for a center-type player,
25:23a forward-type player to come in,
25:24that's a young guy that you can kind of project,
25:27and maybe he improves as things go along here.
25:29If you wanted to like, you know,
25:31invest in a young player instead of an established one
25:33that you were going to have to pay a ton of money.
25:35So like, I could see there being interest in him
25:37and something like that potentially happening.
25:40Hmm.
25:42Interesting.
25:43But you'd have to give up more than Busse and Jellic.
25:47Well, that's the other thing is Jellic is a terrific player
25:53to watch in a college game,
25:57and he's probably going to be a pretty good pro, but.
26:00Yeah, he was good.
26:01He was the best player I thought at development camp,
26:03like as far as the Bruins prospects go.
26:05Most noticeable, for sure.
26:07Right, I can see that.
26:08His game has professional knowledge already.
26:10BC uses him on the power play
26:13to be the brains of the operation off the half wall.
26:16I mean, he has a lot there to like.
26:21The question is whether it can translate
26:28at his speed, strength, size level
26:31to play that role effectively in the NHL.
26:34Can he be a good NHL player?
26:36Can he even be an impactful NHL player
26:38is what I really mean.
26:39And that's the question to a guy like Jellic.
26:42You don't know it until you bring him in
26:44and see him play in the AHL and see how it goes
26:46and see if he comes up.
26:47And you don't see him until he's 25 years old,
26:51but he might be pretty good.
26:53His 25 to 35 might be excellent.
26:55You just don't know.
26:57So sometimes you get great all around players
27:01and without any gamut to translate.
27:11Yeah, interesting question.
27:13But the bottom line is like they just,
27:15the Bruins, unless they're trading Pasternak,
27:17Dreisaitl's not gonna be coming to Boston.
27:19And that would be a significant move
27:22that they're not gonna make.
27:24Like they've invested in the David Pasternak business
27:27for the longterm.
27:28Like he's their guy.
27:30And why would you, I don't think there's for,
27:33there's obviously like pros and cons
27:36to David Pasternak's game.
27:38Like there's always gonna be things you can look at
27:40because he's a creative player.
27:41He's a risk taker.
27:44He does things with the puck
27:45where sometimes it's gonna turn into a turnover
27:47instead of a fantastic offensive play.
27:50And he continues to, I think, figure out like the ways
27:53to be a big factor in the playoffs
27:55like he is during the regular season.
27:57And that was a big moment for him,
27:59that game seven play against Toronto in overtime for sure.
28:03But like one of the most exciting,
28:07if not the most exciting players in the NHL,
28:09one of the most charismatic players in the NHL,
28:12if not the most charismatic player in the NHL.
28:15Huge numbers.
28:16Gonna go down as arguably the best goal scorer
28:20in Bruins history.
28:21Certainly one of the top two or three.
28:23You know, he and Espo will have to duke it out probably
28:26at the end of the day.
28:26I think Pasternak had a great season,
28:29but I don't see him in that context.
28:32Moore is just more like a playmaking scorer,
28:35do it all from the wing kind of player
28:37who is more gonna be like,
28:39is sort of more like Rick Middle,
28:41closer to Rick Middleton on steroids than Phil Esposito.
28:46Yeah, they're not similar players.
28:48I'm just talking about being pure goal scorers.
28:50Like he's a pure goal scorer.
28:52He absolutely is and he's gonna go down.
28:55I remember Paul Pearson said that he's like
28:58the greatest offensive player in Celtics history
29:02or something like that.
29:03And people are like, how could you say that?
29:05Well, because the basis of him saying was
29:08because Pierce had more ways to score
29:11than any other player in Celtics history.
29:13He had more ways to do it.
29:14And Pasternak, a little like Adam Oates,
29:17but better skater, invents hockey,
29:21a little like Marc Savard, better skater,
29:24invents hockey all the way up the ice.
29:27He doesn't do anything the same season to season.
29:31Sometimes he doesn't do anything the same month to month.
29:34He just keeps on, his brain never stops churning out
29:37new ways of deceiving opponents
29:40and faking pass by swinging his stick around his body
29:44like 45 degrees, but you don't know
29:46where the release point is.
29:47It might be hard to the corner.
29:49It might be across.
29:50It might be a shot on the net.
29:52He just has a million ways to score
29:54that he hasn't even decided on yet.
29:56He kind of doesn't.
29:57Yeah, I mean, he's always gonna have the one-timer
30:00from the point as his bread and butter,
30:02from the face-off dot as his bread and butter
30:03in the face-off circle.
30:04Unfortunately, that play's not going away.
30:06Everybody loves it, too.
30:08That is always gonna be there,
30:10and I think when people think about him
30:12and sort of his trademark thing that he does to score goals,
30:15that's gonna be it.
30:16That's something he's worked on a lot
30:18and has honed from the time he came into the league
30:21from where he is now, but to your point,
30:23every year we watch him
30:24and he's doing something different out there.
30:25He's worked on a lot of creative ways to score
30:28and different things to outthink the defense.
30:30Classic offensive hockey player
30:33where he's using deception and creativity constantly.
30:35No, when he first came up
30:36and he played a little more like Pavel Bure,
30:39but then I realized he's not nearly as fast as Pavel Bure,
30:43but what he can do is be some sort of like
30:48Pavel Bure and Jaromir Yarger had a baby,
30:51and it's David Poshtenak, because he's a combination.
30:53It's kind of like this hybrid version
30:55of a guy whose game somewhat is protect the puck,
30:59be good in traffic, stick candle in a phone booth,
31:03but then also use your speed intelligently
31:07to gain separation where your legs might not give it to you
31:10in a race at the all-star game.
31:13And in that way, he's a genius.
31:17So my bigger problems with the whole pasta question
31:20and team building exercise is goes back to the idea
31:24of your highest paid player is a winger.
31:26Really? It's not my number one defenseman.
31:28It's not my number one center.
31:29No, and so when you're like that,
31:35and then you say, okay, there's only so much I can invest
31:37in these other spots, it's good for them
31:40that they're as good as they are in these other places now.
31:45And why is Poshtenak your highest paid player, Mick?
31:49Why is he?
31:51Because scoring goals is the most difficult thing
31:55to do in hockey and in the NHL.
31:58And it's always gonna be, you know,
32:00and I understand like you build around other players,
32:03but like scoring goals, putting the puck in the net
32:06is the absolute hardest thing to do in the NHL
32:09and in hockey.
32:09And those guys should get paid the most.
32:12I know what you're saying,
32:14like you wanna build a strength down the middle,
32:16centers, like defense, goaltending, like all that.
32:19To me, it's like, what do I need to contend
32:21for the Stanley Cup on a regular basis?
32:23And year in and year out, what do I need?
32:26I need strength down the middle, so help me Harry Sinded.
32:29You know, if the Bruins teams that got close
32:33in all of Harry Sinded's years and fell short,
32:37it was because they didn't have
32:39that one more 30 goal stick on the way.
32:42That's where they fell short.
32:43However, if he ever made sure they had that
32:49and at the expense of those down the middle positions,
32:54they wouldn't have been close.
32:57And they wouldn't have won in 2011
33:01if they didn't have that one.
33:02Like they were built straight down the middle,
33:04David Crecci, Patrice Bergeron, Zidane O'Chara, Tim Thomas.
33:08Like it was a classic strength down the middle,
33:10no question about it.
33:12But like, I have no qualms with Pasternak
33:15being the highest paid player on the team
33:16when he like, can, like I said, at the end of the day,
33:20he's probably gonna have the most goals
33:22in Bruins franchise history.
33:23He's gonna be known, I think,
33:25as the most prolific goal scorer
33:27in Bruins history.
33:28Like I think he has a lot of more different ways
33:30to score than Espo did.
33:31I think Espo's game was built in a different way,
33:34even though he was a great goal scorer.
33:35Espo was one of the greatest puck protectors of all time.
33:38He was up there with Jager and Daniel Alfredson.
33:41He could shield the puck from people and carry it.
33:43He could, he was a warrior.
33:45He could take a beating in the slot
33:47and he could thread a needle from those positions.
33:50Just incredible.
33:51And Harrison taught him how to play the slot.
33:55He, you know, how to, how to,
33:56he turned the Bruins, Harrison,
33:58and when, after Milt Schmidt made that trade,
34:02Harrison then turned the Bruins into a table hockey team
34:05where the wingers and the corners
34:07are doing the pivoting and the circling
34:09and the centers in the middle,
34:10jamming, jamming the puck down the slot,
34:12down, down through the middle.
34:13And that's really how the Bruins top line played the game.
34:18Yeah.
34:19Table hockey.
34:20I like it.
34:21Bubble hockey.
34:22Yes.
34:22That's it.
34:23Classic bubble hockey strategy right there, Mick.
34:27Classic USA-Russia bubble hockey strategy right there.
34:31All right.
34:32It comes down to Swayman wanting to win a cup.
34:35Give Swayman a huge contract and we don't win the cup
34:38because of incompetence, incomplete,
34:40because of an incomplete top six.
34:42Or give Swayman a team-friendly deal
34:43so we can get another top six forward and we win the cup.
34:46Here's the third option.
34:47We own Swayman's rights, trade him for a top six forward,
34:49and with our remaining cap space,
34:51get another top six forward and win the cup.
34:53And that is from bbruins88 on Twitter slash X.
35:01No, they're not going to trade Jeremy Swayman.
35:03That's not happening.
35:05Not for a top six forward.
35:08I don't think they're going to have enough leftover
35:10based on the salary cap space that they have right now
35:12to get another top six forward.
35:14Like maybe they would have had enough
35:16to get a guy like Daniel Sprong
35:19if they had been able to get something done with Swayman
35:22and then move on to the next thing
35:25and bring in another sort of hired gun,
35:27especially if you can get a guy like Sprong
35:28that's a pretty good offensive player
35:30for under a million bucks.
35:32But like Jeremy Swayman is going to get signed.
35:36It's going to be to probably between seven and eight million
35:38a year for a long-term contract.
35:40They're not going to have enough for a top six winger
35:42unless it's somebody like Sprong that's going to sign
35:45for like very short money.
35:46And clearly they're not going to sign that kind of player
35:48until they have cost certainty with Jeremy Swayman
35:51and they get that contract done.
35:52That's just not good business.
35:53They have to know what his number is going to be
35:56before they bring in anybody else.
35:57Well, do you think it was a mistake
35:58then to backload the way they did
36:01with so many small contracts
36:04and fortify their bottom six the way they did
36:07in order to leave room for a guy
36:11who might have that kind of sneaky potential
36:14to replace DeBrusk?
36:17Yeah.
36:18You're talking about Sprong?
36:20No, because I think there's other guys out there.
36:22I did an article.
36:24I wrote an article this week for Boston Sports Journal
36:26and Sprong was at the top of the list,
36:28but there was a good seven or eight guys
36:30that they could be camp invites.
36:33Some were better fits than others.
36:37Taylor Yamamoto is I think an interesting one
36:40that they could bring in and just like on a flyer
36:42and take a look at.
36:44He's scored 20 goals in the league before.
36:46He was a former first round pick.
36:47He's small, but he's skilled and feisty winger.
36:50He'd be an interesting guy to look at.
36:53I put a few other guys in there.
36:54JBR is obviously still out there.
36:56I don't think he's coming back.
36:57Blake Wheeler is a guy that hasn't retired.
36:59He's out there.
37:00You could potentially bring him in for a look.
37:02Yeah, Randy scratched him, my man.
37:03No, there's a lot of different, yeah.
37:06Well, he was hurt too.
37:09He was just coming back from that injury.
37:12But that's what you're looking at.
37:14You're looking at guys that aren't,
37:15none of them are gonna be like,
37:16this guy's gonna come in and be Jake DeBruyne.
37:19There's one other little scenario here.
37:21Let's just say the Bruins are having a year.
37:23Let's just say that they played of their identity
37:27and now they're newly fortified down the middle of the rink
37:30and they're that much better
37:31and they're winning the division.
37:34And they're really looking like a cup contender.
37:39Things happen during the season.
37:40There's LTIR.
37:44So there's gonna be possibilities
37:46that right now may not be.
37:50And just to let anybody know who's listening,
37:54my asking of the Sprong question is really
37:57not because I prefer that scenario.
37:59It's because I just wanted to hear your thoughts
38:03on what Sweeney did with some of the size that he has
38:07that he denies is size related.
38:09But to me, that's an irrelevant point right now.
38:11The point is, is they're bigger.
38:15I'm okay.
38:15I'm a hundred percent okay, Mick,
38:17with them starting the season
38:20and going through the carousel,
38:22trying Trent Frederick with Charlie Coyle and Brad Martian,
38:26trying Morgan Geeky there,
38:27trying Justin Brezow there,
38:28trying Fabian Lysel there,
38:30trying Merkulov there,
38:32bringing in one or two training camp invites
38:34and giving them looks in camp,
38:36like they did with Danton Heinen and Alex Chaston last year
38:39when they were battling it out for that last roster spot.
38:42And I think they're gonna do that.
38:43They'll probably bring in a couple of guys like that
38:46that are established NHL players
38:48that maybe one of them pops and can perform for you.
38:52I'm totally okay with them doing that
38:54for the first few months of the season,
38:55seeing if anybody really meshes well with them,
38:58seeing if anybody has elevated their game
39:00and can consistently play with those two players.
39:02And then if not, you make a deal at the deadline.
39:05Maybe you have, like you're mentioning,
39:06some cap space because of LTIR.
39:10Maybe you trade away some cap space
39:11in order to make it happen.
39:12Like they're creative with that.
39:14So I think they'll have enough cap space
39:16and money to make a deal.
39:18And I think if they need a top six winger
39:20and if they need more offense,
39:21that is something they're absolutely gonna be able to go out
39:23and get at the deadline if they have to have it.
39:25Yeah, I think so too.
39:26And who knows, maybe they'll trade a player.
39:29You never know.
39:29You never know how things are gonna shake out
39:31once the lines are the way they are.
39:33And if they're flying and they're looking good,
39:35somebody might be wearing a bullseye.
39:38You just never know how things are gonna pan out.
39:42It is funny though, Mick.
39:43We talk now, these are established lines.
39:47It's gonna be Zaka, Lindholm, Pasternak.
39:49It's gonna be Charlie Coyle, Brad Marchand,
39:51and they're gonna be looking for another right wing.
39:53We've watched Jim Montgomery for the last two years.
39:55We know what happens.
39:57Then those guys are gonna get moved all around.
39:59They're gonna play with each other.
40:00He's gonna juggle the lines quite a bit.
40:02It's not like it was with Bruce Cassidy
40:05where he had pretty established lines or clowed
40:07and he kind of kept them together
40:09and didn't move them a lot.
40:10Jim Montgomery's consistently is being,
40:14having inconsistent lines because he changes a lot.
40:16Yeah, and Patra could be penciled into C3.
40:20However, what if it turns out
40:24that he's having a sophomore slump as a pro?
40:26What if it turns out that he,
40:29and he's gonna be eligible for AHL.
40:31Well, isn't he gonna this coming season,
40:33they could send him?
40:35Yeah, so.
40:36Patra, yes.
40:37That might wind up being a great place for him
40:38for a half the season.
40:40If he's not really hitting the ground running
40:44when it starts.
40:45You know, it's the type of thing.
40:47Yeah, I'm not banking on him being an NHL player
40:49right out of training camp again like last year.
40:51I think AHL time would be good for him.
40:53So unless he's knocking the door down
40:55saying you gotta keep me on this team,
40:57maybe that's how it starts.
40:58And if it does, then what happens to Zaka?
41:01What happens to Geeky?
41:02And then how does that, so you're right.
41:04There's so many different ways
41:05that this thing could go,
41:09that you could wind up with a million things here.
41:11So the idea that these ducks have to be in an exact row,
41:14what team has ever gone soup to nuts the whole season
41:17since like the 72 Bruins?
41:19I mean, to have, say, okay, this is our,
41:22here's our top nine and it's not gonna change
41:24all year long.
41:27Right, right.
41:28And that's just, like whether it's because
41:31of the makeup of the players
41:32or whether it was anything else,
41:34it's also gonna be because Jim Montgomery
41:36like likes to tinker with his lines
41:37and he likes to move them around.
41:39He likes to try different players together.
41:41And like, I get it.
41:42Like he's coaching.
41:44And he also wants everybody to be comfortable
41:46playing with everybody else
41:47and have chemistry with everybody else.
41:49So when they get to the playoffs,
41:50if he starts moving people around
41:52and putting them different places,
41:53they can function together.
41:54And that's just-
41:55He's an injury and then you get fish out of water
41:58if you don't, if you're not preparing for that.
42:00Yep.
42:02All right.
42:03This is from Bobby Rotundo on Twitter.
42:05I think Sweeney should be more concerned
42:07about signing Swayman.
42:08Who knows, who says Sweeney's not concerned
42:10about signing Swayman?
42:11I'm sure that is the number one concern
42:12for Don Sweeney right now.
42:13But he says, I just can't get over
42:15they traded to Allmark without clarity
42:17of reaching an agreement with Swayman.
42:19And like, look, on its face,
42:21you can be critical of the Bruins
42:23for trading Allmark when they did
42:24without having like the bird in hand
42:26of Jeremy Swayman having signed a contract.
42:28Cause it really does take a lot of the leverage,
42:31a lot of the power away from the Bruins.
42:33And they're like on faith
42:34that Swayman's gonna sign a contract
42:37after trading his partner,
42:38the other guy that would, you know,
42:40could effectively replace him,
42:41trading him to Ottawa and bringing in a guy,
42:43Corpus Allo, they do not project to be his replacement
42:46or to be a guy that could play at that level
42:48and having another guy, Brandon Bussey, that's a rookie.
42:51So like you could criticize them a little bit
42:54cause they didn't make the right cold, hard business move,
42:56keeping Allmark, but they had to trade Allmark.
42:59He wasn't gonna be on the team
43:01and they had to do it then to get good value
43:02and to get the first round pick
43:03and to get the player they wanted in the draft.
43:05And like, at the end of the day,
43:07things are gonna get done with Swayman.
43:09You know, it's gonna be somewhere
43:11in the seven to $8 million range,
43:12I think no matter what happens.
43:15They, let's face it, the parameters laid out
43:18by the Swayman camp and laid out by the Bruins
43:22were probably well-established
43:26before they traded Allmark.
43:28So what agent is gonna take an emerging star
43:35and change his entire approach
43:37because they traded the other number one goalie?
43:42I mean, that's just supposed to say,
43:46we're giving you what you wanted.
43:47We're giving you the net.
43:49We're coming here in peace.
43:51We're, you know, that should be an ambassadorial move.
43:55That should be diplomacy taken as diplomacy.
43:59That should not be taken as,
44:00oh, you've weakened yourself.
44:01Now we're gonna really turn the screw.
44:03Who would do that?
44:05What team would ever wanna negotiate with his players?
44:08That would be bad.
44:10Now we're gonna get our ultimate revenge
44:12for you saying not nice things
44:13about Jeremy Swayman in arbitration last year.
44:15That's it.
44:17Now, it's one thing to say,
44:19look, they're in a situation in their privacy.
44:22They may say, look, they're in a situation
44:25where they've traded Allmark here.
44:27We don't have to back down.
44:29That's different from saying,
44:31we're gonna revise our offer,
44:34our, you know, our ask,
44:37because we now know that you're in a position
44:40where you're hogtied yourself, you know?
44:43That's, this is not a knife fight in an alley.
44:47This is definitely a negotiation.
44:52And as such, you know,
44:56the whole league watches what happens in cases like this.
44:59They're all taking notes.
45:00Yep.
45:02Yep.
45:03If it's a, yes, I agree.
45:04It's a seven, if it's a seven, eight year deal,
45:06I think it's gonna be very low sevens.
45:08That's my prediction.
45:10If it's a shorter term deal,
45:11that's gonna be interesting,
45:12like, cause they're buying up less free agent years.
45:14It could be even lower than that.
45:16I still continue to say there is no comparable
45:18out there to Jeremy Swayman where he is in his career
45:21that's getting paid like high sevens
45:23or in the eights or anything like that.
45:24I don't, I don't see any way eight years, 64 happens
45:28just because there's no other goalie out there
45:30that's gotten anywhere close to that
45:32with the body of work that he has.
45:35There's just no comparable.
45:36And that's how negotiations work.
45:37That's how these contracts get done.
45:39And how much do you think it factors
45:41into the whole considerations of,
45:44well, how many years do I get the no movement?
45:46How many years do I get a, you know,
45:47the modified no trade, you know?
45:49Yeah, all that.
45:51I mean, there's an awful lot here for them to,
45:53and what happens if the NHL goes on lockout?
45:56What happens if the, now a lot of that
45:58might already be established by the CBA,
46:00you know, that what happens in cases like this,
46:04but there's just a lot of ground to cover
46:05when you're talking about a career contract like this.
46:09Yeah, of course, absolutely.
46:11And so it'll get done.
46:13I still think, you know, it's gonna get done at some point.
46:16It may spill over, like the bigger ones seem to sometimes
46:20it takes a day or two into camp to get done,
46:22but I would suspect it's not gonna be something
46:24that's gonna carry over to the point
46:26where it's gonna hurt Swainman.
46:27And he's been around Boston.
46:28He's been working out at Warrior
46:31and like, he's gonna be fine.
46:32It's not like he's off somewhere, like, you know,
46:34not working out, not getting ready for the year.
46:37I think he's joined-
46:38I'm glad that the NHL's in a partnership with the union
46:38where they can do this.
46:40And here he is without a contract
46:43and he's working out in their facilities.
46:45And as though he's a signed player,
46:48that partnership is so important to the NHL thriving,
46:52in my opinion, and not the adversarial foundations.
46:59No, no doubt.
47:00All right, Mick, thank you very much.
47:02I appreciate the time this week and the knowledge.
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