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Joe Haggerty and Evan Marinovsky discuss the pros and cons of the Linus Ullmark trade between the Bruins and the Senators.  0:00 - Intro 1:45 - Ullmark trade breakdown 5:30 - Creating cap space 7:01 - Comparing 25th and 39th picks 10:47 - Impact of Korpisalo's salary 12:28 - Ullmark's departure 14:02 - Moving on from goalie hugs 15:49 - Korpisalo's future with Bruins 18:16 - One-year two-way deal 20:04 - Spinning him after season 24:59 - Florida Panthers' physical play 26:50 - Bruins' core player considerations 29:26 - New England prospects for Bruins 30:59 - Young player potential    Prize Picks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Gametime! Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply. Go to https://gametime.co !  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the #CLNS Media Network’s YouTube channel for Boston #Bruins hockey. CLNS Media is the leading online provider of audio/video coverage for the Boston sports. Get complete inside access to the Bruins at TD Garden, the game day skates at Warrior, and everywhere on the road. CLNS #NHLBruins' credentialed insiders Mike "Trags" Petraglia, Evan Marinofski, Conor Ryan, and Joe "Haggs" Haggerty. Providing instantaneous news and analysis all in real time, as well as full access to complete videos from the players, coaches, ownership and everyone else on Causeway Street.  For the CLNS award winning Celtics, Patriots, Red Sox, College hoops, NBA History, go here to featured channels- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiP7KyKodc3OHuN_XhEyPPw?sub_confirmation=1

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00:00Welcome to another edition of the Pucks with Hags podcast, powered by PrizePix, the exclusive

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00:14I believe this is the 102nd episode of the Pucks with Hags podcast, so thank you very

00:19much for joining us.

00:20I am your host, Joe Hagerty.

00:22You can find my work at joehagerty.substack.com, subscribe to a premium membership to get all

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00:41the Patriots.

00:42Tons of good writers on that site, so go check it out.

00:44With me today on the show, I have New England Hockey Journal's Evan Maranovsky.

00:47Evan, how's it going?

00:49It's going great, going great, feeling good.

00:51How about you, Hags?

00:52It's been a busy week.

00:53Doing great, busy week.

00:55I got a fifth grader that's graduating from elementary school, so all the pomp and circumstance

00:59that's going on there.

01:00He's actually having his clap out last day today, which means they walk the halls, all

01:05the fifth graders, and they get claps from everybody else in his school.

01:07I remember this.

01:08My school did that.

01:09It was great.

01:10I remember dreaming of that day, in first, second, third, fourth, and fifth, and then

01:14it hits.

01:15You're like, oh, this is my big moment.

01:16It's like the red carpet.

01:17Yeah, it's a huge moment.

01:18You wait all six years of elementary school for that to happen, so it's a pretty exciting

01:22day for him.

01:23All right.

01:25Kevin, I think you know what we're going to talk about today.

01:26There's been a lot of argument the last couple of days.

01:29We knew the Linus Allmark trade was coming.

01:32We talked about Linus Allmark and, really, the Ottawa Senators on the last Pucks with

01:35Hags podcast, pre-trade, so now the trade goes down.

01:39Linus Allmark gets traded to the Ottawa Senators about, what, an hour and 90 minutes before

01:43game seven of the Stanley Cup final.

01:46Right before.

01:47A final FU from the Bruins to the Florida Panthers right there before the game starts.

01:53Linus Allmark gets traded to the Senators for a 20-24 first-round pick, the 25th overall,

01:59which, ironically, 10 years ago, the Bruins used the 25th overall pick to select David

02:04Pasternak, so all these people pooh-poohing and crapping all over, oh, this is a bottom

02:09of the first-round pick.

02:11This is a terrible pick.

02:12Why'd they trade for this?

02:13You got David Pasternak with this exact pick 10 years ago, so 25th overall pick in the

02:17draft.

02:19They got Mark Kostelik, who is a bottom six, fourth line, heavy hitter, center, big body,

02:25wins face-offs, very physical, drops the gloves, like the kind of player the Bruins need and

02:29needed for their bottom six and their fourth line.

02:32They get in Mark Kostelik, 25 years old, so he could be around for a little while, and

02:37they also trade for the very controversial Younis Karpisalo, a goalie that has played

02:44almost 300 NHL games, has a 901 career save percentage, has been pretty good at times

02:49in Columbus, was good when he was with the L.A. Kings, but was arguably, according to

02:54the eyeballs and the advanced stats, the worst goalie in the NHL last year with the Ottawa

02:58Senators, had a really bad year for a really bad team.

03:02So they take on him.

03:03He's signed for four more years, $3 million a year, because Ottawa picked up 25 percent

03:09of the salary.

03:10So we can get into the first impressions of this deal right now.

03:15Evan, just give me yours, and then we can go back and forth a little bit.

03:18But I'm curious to hear what you thought about this trade.

03:22Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

03:25All along, there was that little bit of time right at the end of the season where it was

03:29like, I don't really know what the price is going to be.

03:31And then the Ottawa Sun comes out a month or two ago and says, oh, it's a Chikorin,

03:36a Furse, and then another Prospect.

03:38And it's like, OK, well, yeah, like those are two different ends.

03:42It's probably somewhere in the middle.

03:44And it's like, OK.

03:45And so last week I had said, you know, if they can get one of either Chikorin or just

03:50getting back into the first, I'm happy with the deal.

03:54So I'm happy that they got a first.

03:56I think that that's good.

03:58Ironically enough, it's their own pick.

04:00So he just brought it back.

04:01I mean, they used the Tyler Bertuzzi trade to get Tyler Bertuzzi a couple of years ago.

04:06Yep.

04:07Yep.

04:09So I'm happy they got back in the first.

04:10Obviously, Lena Solmark, not agreeing to an extension or not, you know, saying in principle

04:17they seem to agree to an extension there, lowered the price quite a bit.

04:20So I'd said last week, you know, if they can get one of Chikorin or just get back into

04:25the first, I mean, they were never going to get the seventh overall pick.

04:28That would be crazy.

04:29But again, I think Lena Solmark not agreeing to an extension there was going to lower the

04:33price.

04:34We knew that when we saw that Elliott Friedman tweet and then we saw the bunch of tweets

04:37like Mike Grinnell and MT Netter's podcast being like, Pruitt's fans are going to hate

04:40this return.

04:42I like that they're back in the first.

04:45What I don't love is they don't have as much cap space to play with as I thought they would

04:50have when they were going to deal Lena Solmark.

04:51And that to me is the real holdup with this.

04:54You only create an extra 1.165 million in cap.

04:57I don't know.

04:58I said all along.

04:59Hold on one, just one sec, which you're right.

05:03So that's based on expectations.

05:05But you still have more cap space after this trade than you had before this trade.

05:10This is true.

05:11This is true.

05:12You have created an extra million dollars plus in salary cap space, you know?

05:16So like people are like counting cap space they never had basically, you know, in trying

05:22to say-

05:23I think they expected to have it.

05:25You never had that cap space.

05:26The bottom line is you created cap space with this trade.

05:29For some people it wasn't enough cap space.

05:31And the other part of it too, I think, is people just viewed this as a salary cap dump.

05:35It was never that.

05:36It was going to be about getting value for this player and creating salary cap space,

05:41right?

05:42I mean, if you're trading a goalie that won the Vezina trophy, you're getting value back

05:46and you're creating cap space.

05:48And I agree.

05:51I don't think Carpozalo is getting value back though.

05:56You were probably going to get a second round pick if you just tried to make the trade without

06:00taking on Carpozalo and it becomes a first.

06:03When you took on Carpozalo, to your point, when Linus Olmark was not going to agree to

06:07a contract extension sight unseen before going to Ottawa.

06:10The Olmark extension is key in this because I think that is the reason.

06:14If he agrees to an extension, it's like, all right, we'll bump the price up.

06:16You don't have to take Carpozalo, whatever it is.

06:19I think it's an interesting idea with like the idea that if they didn't take a first

06:23and they just took a second, like the Senators have the 39th overall pick and that's their

06:27first second round pick.

06:28So like if the Bruins have taken that, I think an interesting hypothetical is, you

06:32know, would you have done the 39th pick and Castellic for Olmark or would you rather do

06:41what they got?

06:42Now I like that they have a first.

06:43I really do.

06:44Like I like they have the 25th.

06:46I think they would have gotten hammered just as much if they didn't get a first round pick.

06:49100%.

06:50I agree.

06:51They would have gotten hammered.

06:52They would have got crushed.

06:53They would have got crushed.

06:55the 25th and the 39th pick is not crazy, but at the 25th, you do get a, obviously you get

07:02a better assortment of players to pick from.

07:05If there's a center you really like, there's a couple of guys in that area that probably

07:09should be around, which, you know, we can get into at some point, the Carpozalo thing

07:13is tough though.

07:14I, you know, I've seen a lot of people say, Oh, you know, goalie, Bob can fix them.

07:17And obviously if anybody can fix Jonas Carpozalo, it's goalie, Bob goalie, Bob has been outstanding.

07:22He has a crazy track record.

07:24He's a goalie guru.

07:27But I just think when you look at, I think, you know, everyone just says, Oh, Senator's

07:31bad.

07:32Bruins good.

07:34And you look at defensively, they weren't far off last year.

07:37And I know obviously the Bruins have the better defenseman, but like, I mean, just look at

07:40the numbers, right?

07:41Bruins gave up more high danger chances last year.

07:45The Bruins were bottom 10 in chances allowed last year.

07:47Like ultimately Lena Solmark was outstanding last year.

07:51Jeremy Swayman was outstanding.

07:52We said this a lot last year.

07:53The goaltending bailed them out in a lot of key spots.

07:56Now, obviously the Bruins are better on paper than the senators and Corpus hollow should

08:00see a bump in his numbers coming here.

08:03I just don't know if it's worth 3 million a year.

08:05I just don't know if it's worth 3 million and there's potential there.

08:08He's young still.

08:09I just, I would have rather gone with a veteran.

08:12If you could find a veteran backup and then use that extra cap space.

08:15I know that the Bruins didn't have it, but use that for a wing and free agency vacuum.

08:20I agree with you.

08:22Like they, the perfect situation would be Jeremy Swayman.

08:25You pay him seven, 8 million, Brandon Bussey's making less than a million.

08:29You're spending less than 10 million on your goaltending tandem on as far as salary cap

08:34space goes.

08:35Like that would have been the perfect scenario, right?

08:37But like in order to make things happen, it's not always going to be exactly what you want.

08:41Like, but for, for people to act like paying $3 million for a backup goalie is this huge

08:48salary cap albatross is frigging ridiculous.

08:51It's he's slightly overpaid backup goalie.

08:54He's an established goalie in the NHL.

08:56That's played almost 300 games as a set, a save percentage over 900 has had some good

09:01seasons.

09:02Like he had a horrendous year last year, but like we all know goalies are like running

09:07backs in football.

09:08They're like relief pitchers in baseball.

09:10It's very erratic.

09:12Good year, bad year.

09:13They can go back.

09:14Oh yeah.

09:15There's not a lot of value in goalies in trade because they can bounce back and forth.

09:19A lot of those guys and I stick next year and I, yeah, I fully expect Corpus Aulo to

09:25do that in Boston with a better system, with a better defense in front of them.

09:32I think I, you know, the, the, the advanced stats in some of the underlying numbers might

09:37say that Ottawa and the Bruins have the same kind of defense, but I don't buy that.

09:41I think the Bruins defense is much better on paper and in reality.

09:45And when you watch them play than the Ottawa senators were and are so, and I look, and

09:53somebody pointed this out to me on Twitter yesterday, if frigging Chad Johnson, who I

09:57even forgot played for the Bruins could come in here and be a backup goalie and have like

10:01a nine 25 save percentage season in Boston, like anybody can come in and be successful

10:08in Boston.

10:09I think it's probably based on the coaching, the system, the players around you.

10:13And I think it's going to be the same for Corpus Aulo.

10:14I think what it comes down to is the event.

10:16He becomes a slightly overpaid backup goalie that you're paying probably like a established

10:23backup goalie.

10:24Like him.

10:25You'd probably want to pay a couple million, pay like what you paid Halak when he was here

10:28behind Tuka Rask, right?

10:30It's the same sort of situation.

10:32You're going to be paying him a little bit more, but we're also talking about a guy that

10:35I don't expect to play more than 20 to 25 games behind Jeremy Swayman.

10:39I think Jeremy Swayman is going to play more.

10:41I think he's going to be in the 60 to 65 game range of how many games he's going to play

10:46next year.

10:47He's going to get paid like a number one.

10:48He's going to play the amount of games like a number one.

10:51And you're going to have Corpus Aulo, if he's on the team playing much less than Omar had

10:56in the past and would have, and he's going to be a true backup.

10:59So I think the impact in terms of the player, the performance and the salary cap, which

11:05is $3 million cap at Evan is 3.4% of the Bruins salary cap.

11:10That is a frigging drop in the bucket.

11:13Like people are acting like they traded for a guy that's going to get owed like $8 million

11:18a year for the next six years.

11:20This is not the case.

11:21That would be fun.

11:22That would not be fun.

11:23This is not even a player that it's going to cost you.

11:26It's probably a million more than you would have spent on a good backup, an experienced

11:30backup goalie.

11:31So you're talking about it costing you maybe like some kind of fourth line scrub at a million

11:35dollars a year.

11:36Like it's not, this is not some crazy thing that they're throwing away and just shoveling

11:43money into the fire.

11:45And people are acting like they don't have all this cap space anyway to sign their plays.

11:48They have more than enough cap space to get the number one center, to sign Jeremy Swayman,

11:53to bring in a winger to replace Jake DeBrusque and have a good team, like bring in two impact

11:58forwards.

11:59They have all that even after making this trade.

12:02If you had to make this trade in order to move a player in Elmark that did not want

12:05to be here anymore, was not going to play on this team next year, the Bruins didn't

12:08want him back.

12:09I don't think Jeremy Swayman wanted him back.

12:11Nobody I think wanted a situation where he was going to be a disgruntled backup next

12:15year and be pissed off the whole year because he wasn't playing and he was worrying about

12:18his contract.

12:19They had to move him and for a number of reasons, to make sure that they got the draft pick

12:24they wanted in this draft, to make sure they didn't pay him the million dollar salary

12:28bonus that he was due on July 1 for a player that wasn't going to play on the team anyway,

12:32and just because of the situation.

12:33They all talked at the end of breakup day about how Linus wants to come back and we'll

12:38be happy with the two goaltenders and the great tandem.

12:42Nobody wanted that.

12:43That was complete bullcrap by all of those people.

12:45Nobody wanted Elmark back.

12:46He didn't want to come back and all these people, these fans out there, they're saying

12:50you should have just kept Elmark into the season and kept the tandem going and kept

12:53the goalie hugs coming.

12:54It was not passing.

12:55It was not passing.

12:56Enough hugs.

12:57We've had the hugs for the last two years.

12:59Move on from the hugs.

13:00Okay?

13:01I know it was the thing that everybody cheered loudest about when the game was over and it

13:04had its great moment even though it drove former NHL goalies like Andrew Raycroft crazy

13:10to watch that stupid stuff, but it's time to make peace with the fact that the goalie

13:15hugs had an expiration date and it's now gone and Linus Elmark has moved on.

13:19The guy that all the fans chanted about in the handshake line after the second round

13:24playoff series was over.

13:25They were chanting Swayman, Swayman because he was so awesome in the playoffs.

13:30He's now your number one guy.

13:31He's going to be playing-

13:32No, they were chanting Swaymark, Swaymark.

13:35You heard the Swaymark.

13:37The fans spoke.

13:38The fans wanted the tandem.

13:39Definitely not.

13:40That was the hug faction, the huggy bear group that wants the goalie hugs to remain, but

13:46they need to make peace with it.

13:47They need to have a good cry and think about the goalie hugs.

13:51You watch, wistfully, some videos on YouTube of Elmark and Swayman hugging together and

13:57really just-

13:58Someone will put together a compilation.

13:59Someone will put together a compilation.

14:00Evan, you should create the compilation.

14:01Just let all the fans cry it out for a good 10 minutes.

14:05Just sob until their eyes are red and there's tears everywhere and they can't breathe because

14:10they're crying so much.

14:11Get it out of your system.

14:12Hey, a good cry can be good.

14:13A good cry can just spread out.

14:14It's very cathartic, but get it out of your system and then move on because now the Bruins

14:21are-

14:22This is my thing, Evan.

14:23The Bruins are better today than they were a couple days ago before Elmark got traded.

14:28Long term and short term.

14:29They're better with Kostelik.

14:30They're better with the first round pick.

14:32They're better moving on from the Elmark situation where he wasn't going to be happy.

14:37I think they're going to be perfectly fine with Corpozalo, an established NHL goalie,

14:40as the backup if that's what happens.

14:42Now, if it turns into a situation where they can spin off Corpozalo because he's a little

14:47bit less of a price tag now for a draft pick, that's even better.

14:51Maybe that doesn't happen until a year from now if he has a decent year and rehabs his

14:55career and the way people view him by having a good year as a backup with the Bruins, whatever

14:59it takes.

15:01I feel like it's going to work out in the end.

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15:48Omar had to go.

15:49I mean, I think there's no debating that.

15:51Like it had to be done.

15:53What I wonder about, like with Corpus, I mean, there's a couple of things.

15:56And Ottawa was the only place he could go now after the Kings and the Devils had traded

16:01for goalies.

16:02That was the other challenge of this deal is, you know, you're only negotiating with

16:04one team, the Ottawa Sunners.

16:06This is the thing, and I saw in the Ottawa Sun like Vegas was interested, Detroit was

16:11interested.

16:12I don't know how serious those got.

16:13I can't imagine they got very serious.

16:15Yeah.

16:16Although him going to Vegas would be hilarious with Cassidy.

16:18I think that would be just outstanding stuff.

16:21There's a couple of things.

16:23I mean, I think the cap space end of it is tough.

16:25Just given like, I think we all expected the cap space to just magically be off the books

16:29and then you'd have more cap space.

16:31Like now, I mean, they have like 21.5 in cap space.

16:33Let's say you put eight towards, let's just say at least Lindholm, eight towards Swayman.

16:38So that leaves five and a half.

16:40That's enough to get one good winger.

16:42That's enough to get, you know, if you want to do a defenseman for some reason, like probably

16:46get you a defenseman.

16:48I think the idea though is that...

16:50I think you're going to have to get a winger because DeBrusque is going to have to get a winger.

16:52Oh, yeah.

16:53DeBrusque is going to have to get a winger.

16:55A hundred percent.

16:57You have to get a winger.

16:59But I think the idea was like, if you had that extra two to three million in cap space,

17:03if you just dealt Allmark straight off and the cap space is open on the books, you could

17:07have gotten a wing and maybe like a Brendan Dillon.

17:10You could have gotten two wings, you know, of different prices.

17:13And I think this just kind of hurts you depth wise.

17:16This may have cost you a score and then another score.

17:20And that is sort of my issue with it.

17:22Obviously, yes, it adds a million in cap space and that's good.

17:25But you could have...

17:27I just feel like you could have had a little more cap space and that would have done...

17:29That would have helped.

17:31For like an extra two million, I don't think it's going to...

17:33You're not going to be able to get a scoring winger for two million dollars.

17:36Like that's not...

17:38I mean, but what I'm saying is you'd have that extra two million to then give to...

17:41Like not saying the winger would be two million.

17:43I'm saying like if you...

17:45Let's look, it's 5.5 right now.

17:47You add two to that, so it's 7.5.

17:49Maybe you get to Claire at, I don't know, three and a half or something like that.

17:53And then the rest for Toffoli, something like that.

17:56And again, both those guys could be over that price.

17:58I could be way out of the ballpark.

18:00But those kinds of guys you would have for that.

18:02Obviously, two million, you wouldn't...

18:04A scoring winger for two million dollars, you would hold on to like...

18:07It's going out of style.

18:09But I just, I think the extra cap space would have helped.

18:12And I think it would have made it more palatable.

18:14The other thing with Corpozalo, what happens with Bussey now?

18:17That's the other thing.

18:19I know they just signed him to a one-year two-way deal.

18:21Do they trade him?

18:23Do you get value for him?

18:25Maybe there is a little value there that you could squeeze out.

18:28Because Corpozalo is here through 2028.

18:30The other part of this that I don't think I fully have grasped yet is...

18:37If there's a possibility of burying Corpozalo in Providence, too.

18:43And if that would give you any more savings, which it might,

18:47beyond what you're already saving on the salary cap.

18:51So that would be a tough thing to do with a guy that's an established NHL player.

18:55And it would not be a good look.

18:57And I don't think a lot of players would like that.

18:59If you traded for a guy like that and then you put him in the minors.

19:03But that's also, I think, a possibility.

19:04And certainly I think it's something the Bruins would investigate

19:08if they thought they were better off and it would add more cap space

19:12having Bussey as the backup and putting Corpozalo in the AHL.

19:16And that'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

19:20But I wouldn't rule that out at this point.

19:22No, I wouldn't.

19:24I don't have the number in front of me.

19:26I think they do get savings if they put him in the AHL.

19:28Yeah, they would.

19:30I don't know the exact number.

19:32As you said, that's a tough thing to do to an established NHL player.

19:36I've seen some people on Twitter being like,

19:38can they flip Corpozalo?

19:40Ottawa tried to forever.

19:42I don't think they're trading Corpozalo right now for anything.

19:45No.

19:47I think it's more realistic that Corpozalo is the backup.

19:50Plays like 25 games.

19:52Plays well as the backup.

19:54Has that Chad Johnson bump where he has a decent year as the backup.

19:58For the Bruins.

20:00The Nicholas Spedberg bump.

20:02Exactly.

20:04And then they're able to spin him after this coming season

20:06for some kind of a draft pick.

20:08And maybe they even have to retain 25%.

20:11But it would be worth them to do it.

20:13Worth it for them to do it.

20:15And get a couple of million in savings on him.

20:18So I think that's a possibility after this year is over

20:21if everything goes well.

20:23But I don't see that.

20:25I think it's very optimistic to think they might be able to get a draft pick

20:27for Corpozalo this summer.

20:28That would be wild.

20:30I don't think that's happening.

20:32It's like, no, he did a couple sessions with Goalie Bob

20:34on the ice. Video sessions.

20:36He's good. He's fixed.

20:38We'll take a third for him.

20:40I think it's tough.

20:42If I was to grade this trade,

20:45I think I'd give it like a C, C-.

20:48And I know that that's not optimistic.

20:50Because again, I do like the first.

20:52I do like that.

20:54But I think there was that part of me that always thought

20:56you get the first and you get the cap space.

20:58And that would have been fun.

21:00And I think that would have been obviously a much better situation.

21:02You're right, though.

21:04And that I don't think there were enough other teams

21:06to negotiate with.

21:08It's not like the Bruins could say,

21:10OK, you're going to give us Corpozalo.

21:12Let's go talk to other teams as well.

21:14I also wonder if Sweeney waited too long with Allmark.

21:16You know, I don't know what was going on with New Jersey.

21:19And I know they picked up Markstrom.

21:22But, you know, and obviously the deadline had its own issues.

21:25Well, I also think like L.A. was not an option

21:28because I think they tried to trade him at L.A. last season

21:31for Pierre-Luc Dubois.

21:33And that was the trade that Allmark nixed

21:38and used as no trade clause

21:40and did not want to go to Los Angeles

21:42and did not want to go all the way across the country.

21:44So I think that one was not going to happen at all.

21:47I don't think that was ever going to get revisited.

21:50I don't know if he was willing to go to New Jersey or not.

21:53What I had heard with Ottawa

21:55was that Ottawa was on his no trade list as well.

21:58And Daniel Alfredson reached out

22:00and talked to Allmark

22:02and convinced him to go to Ottawa

22:04and that it was going to be a good place for him.

22:06And that's when he waived his no trade

22:08when Alfredson reached out and talked to him

22:11just about Ottawa and kind of like the market

22:14and all that stuff.

22:16So I wouldn't be surprised that all of that happens

22:18just given the weight that Alfredson carries

22:20with Swedish players.

22:22I think in general,

22:24he was probably also explaining

22:26how Swede friendly Ottawa is too.

22:28They've had some great Swedish players over the years

22:30and I think it's a very good place

22:32for Swedish players to go.

22:34So I think it's a place that Allmark will be very happy

22:36and it would make all the sense in the world to me

22:38if something like that did go down.

22:40Yeah, no, I completely agree.

22:42That's an interesting tidbit.

22:44That can go on Twitter.

22:46That can be a nice little social post.

22:48But yeah, I mean,

22:50that would sway someone.

22:52And it's just like how Boston's a great place

22:54for German players.

22:56Like Leon Dreisaitl.

22:58I think that could work out great.

23:00Yeah, maybe Dennis Seidenberg's going to tell him

23:02how much he enjoyed Boston when he played for the Bronx.

23:04Hey, Leon, when you're coming over the red line,

23:06you fake that dump in,

23:08the goalie loses the puck,

23:10and then you throw it on net and it goes right in

23:12and it works every time.

23:14Yeah, I mean, I think it's an interesting thing

23:16with Allmark.

23:18Obviously, I'm glad they're back in the first round.

23:20Kostelik's an interesting depth piece.

23:22He's gone, I would assume,

23:24because you've got the big physical presence.

23:26I don't think he's going to be a guy

23:28that slots in your top six.

23:30I don't think he's going to be a guy

23:32that magically develops all his offensive skill.

23:34I think he is what he is, and that's okay.

23:36So a nice little depth piece there.

23:38I'm fine with that.

23:40Just go on YouTube and watch Marcus Kostelik's videos.

23:43All the videos from Marcus Kostelik

23:45are him blowing up somebody on the other team

23:47and then fighting the other team's toughest guy.

23:49Him fighting Tom Wilson

23:51after blowing somebody up on the Capitals

23:53behind their net.

23:55Him fighting Matt Martin

23:57after blowing somebody up on the Islanders.

23:59Him fighting...

24:01Who was it?

24:03There were videos of him fighting a couple other guys

24:05and it was the absolute toughest of the tough guys.

24:07And he's got the long hair

24:09and it's flying around as he's throwing punches

24:11and he just looks like a scumbag.

24:13He looks like a guy

24:15that's got a lot of F.U. in his game

24:17that's going to bring some attitude

24:19and some of that

24:21in-your-face style to the Bruins

24:23which I think they need more of.

24:25And I think it's going to be good.

24:27And he can win face-offs

24:29which they needed a center that could do that too

24:31in a big way.

24:33I wonder what it means for Johnny Beecher

24:35to bring in a guy like that

24:37because I think it either forces Johnny Beecher

24:39to go to the wing

24:41or to go back to Providence.

24:43It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out

24:45when he gets up here.

24:47But I think Kostelik is the kind of guy

24:49that I'm most proud of

24:51and is going to help them

24:53in the attitude department,

24:55the physicality department,

24:57the toughness department.

24:59And after watching the Panthers win the Cup this year

25:01and the way they won it

25:03by just hammering everybody on the forecheck constantly

25:05for two months over the course of the playoffs,

25:07I think you're going to see more teams

25:09start to value physical players

25:11that can just kamikaze bomb defensemen

25:13on the forecheck

25:15and get really physical

25:17and wear teams down

25:19and be able to play.

25:21And I hope other teams copycat the Florida Panthers

25:23in the way that they won

25:25because I think it's a great way to play hockey

25:27and it's an entertaining style

25:29that we should go back to.

25:31I agree with you.

25:33It's hard, I think, though,

25:35because so many of their top guys are like that.

25:37Bennett, Kachuck.

25:39I mean, obviously, yes,

25:41there are stylistic implementations

25:43you can make for sure

25:45in the sense of,

25:47hey, you're going to forecheck harder,

25:49but in the bottom six,

25:51you can get those kind of guys.

25:53It's hard, though, to get a Matthew Kachuk.

25:55It's hard to find a Sam Bennett.

25:57That part of it's tough.

25:59And the other part that I think Florida did so well

26:01is they shook things up.

26:03They went out and made that Matthew Kachuk trade

26:05two years ago.

26:07Now, that is a one in a million type trade

26:09that was kind of a perfect storm.

26:11It came together.

26:13But you think back to that

26:15and you think back to not just the Kachuk trade.

26:17Trading with Jonathan Huberto

26:19who'd been there for years.

26:21Trading away Mackenzie Weger

26:23who was a very strong defenseman.

26:25But also, they let Andrew Brunette go.

26:27Andrew Brunette, who was an interim coach,

26:29but still led them to the President's Trophy.

26:31To also pull the plug on that.

26:33They're a bold team.

26:35They were a bold team.

26:37And I know that everybody around here hates them

26:39because they've knocked the Bruins out

26:41two straight years.

26:43I get that.

26:45But that's a team who you're right.

26:47You do want to copy,

26:49that roster now.

26:51It's tough, obviously.

26:53I mean, we've talked about this a number of times.

26:55Who are the core players of the Bruins?

26:57They're all locked up long term.

26:59They got no move clauses.

27:01It's not like the NBA where it's like Kevin Durant

27:03is going to be on his fifth team

27:05or stuff like that.

27:07But getting those guys before they

27:09sign their big deals,

27:11if they're not fits for your core,

27:13I think it's an interesting thing.

27:15So yeah, the Panthers are a good team to copycat from.

27:17Let's also thank Game Time.

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27:49I would definitely go to the concerts.

27:51Def Leppard was unbelievable.

27:53I would definitely go.

27:55I mowed a lot of lawns in middle school

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28:43I agree.

28:45And I hope it happens.

28:47Before we go, Evan,

28:49you're a draftnik to a degree.

28:51I know you look at the prospects

28:53and I think you just came out recently

28:55with a list of the top 10 New England

28:57prospects for the draft.

28:59Is that right?

29:01I did, yes, I did.

29:03Anybody from New England

29:05that you think the Bruins

29:07could be targeting

29:09with that first round pick

29:11or is that most of the prospects

29:13from New England, it's Cole Iserman

29:15and then there's like a drop off

29:17to when they're going to get selected

29:19who the Bruins would take

29:21and any names that you potentially think

29:23might be available that the Bruins

29:25would be interested in that 25th pick.

29:27So it's interesting.

29:29With the 25th pick,

29:31Teddy Stiga from Sudbury

29:33is an interesting one.

29:35He's a left winger.

29:37He's 5'10", about 176.

29:39He's junior eagle, right?

29:41He's junior eagle, former junior eagle,

29:43former Belmont Hill,

29:45went to the national program,

29:47was really kind of irrelevant

29:49but I think 25 is actually

29:51like the first slot

29:53where you'd consider him.

29:55So I don't think he goes at 25.

29:57I think he probably goes somewhere

29:59in the high second, mid second round.

30:01I think that's more his value.

30:03Great player though,

30:05and I think at the NHL level someday,

30:07years down the road,

30:09I think he's going to be a very

30:11valuable middle six winger.

30:13I just don't think the Bruins,

30:15I don't think that's what they're

30:17going to prioritize.

30:19I don't think it's what they need

30:21and I don't think he's the best

30:23that they're going to be able

30:25to have at 25.

30:27Other than that,

30:29for New England prospects,

30:31not really.

30:33I'd say a defenseman,

30:35Elliott Greenwald from Vermont.

30:37He's committed to Quinnipiac.

30:39He played in the USHL this year.

30:41Really good shutdown guy.

30:43I think he's going to be

30:45like a fourth rounder probably.

30:47Ben Merrill is an interesting one.

30:49Has the ingredients to be a really

30:51good top six NHL player someday,

30:53but he's raw.

30:55He's still kind of raw

30:57and I think that's more

30:59fourth or fifth round pick,

31:01kind of a flyer you take on a guy.

31:03And then there's another kid I

31:05really like, Gio DiGiulian,

31:07who's from Connecticut.

31:09He went to Kent.

31:11Cornell commit.

31:13Cornell always churns out good

31:15quality pro players.

31:17I think he's going to be a pro

31:19player.

31:21You can stick anywhere,

31:23whether it's the AHL or the NHL.

31:25I think he's just a reliable,

31:27high-compete kind of player.

31:29In terms of that 25th pick,

31:31I think it's interesting

31:33because I think there's a lot

31:35of questions you can ask with

31:37this.

31:39Should the Bruins,

31:41I mean, we know center is

31:43probably going to be a priority.

31:45Do the Bruins go after

31:47a high upside,

31:49but I think it's a good question.

31:51Baudoin, I hope I'm saying that

31:53right, from the Barry Colts,

31:55kind of fits that mold.

31:57Corey Pran, again, I haven't

31:59seen this guy, so I'm kind of

32:01quoting Corey Pran here when he

32:03said he's probably a third-line

32:05guy in the NHL, but you know

32:07what you're getting.

32:09It's probably going to be a sure

32:11thing.

32:13It's a Trent Frederick-type

32:15pick at that spot.

32:17Exactly, which is okay.

32:19Because a guy that they passed

32:21up on and they could have had

32:23and a lot of people thought

32:25they should have taken with

32:27that pick instead of Trent

32:29Frederick was Alex Dabrinkit.

32:31100%.

32:33That's where I feel like I'm

32:35off the camp in the first

32:37round.

32:39You take a flyer on the

32:41high-ceiling guy.

32:43I agree.

32:45You take the guy like Alex

32:47Dabrinkit who scored, what was

32:49I think it was a 10 of

32:51offense that you thought in

32:53today's NHL was actually going

32:55to be okay and be a player

32:57because those kind of smaller

32:59players can survive and thrive

33:01these days.

33:03It's the perfect example

33:05what you're talking about.

33:07You swing for the fences and

33:09try to hit a home run with the

33:11first pick rather than playing

33:13it safe and get a player you

33:15know is going to be in your

33:17lineup, but probably not as

33:18Fabian Lysel, which is what they did. They went for the best available and it's been

33:23kind of an intro, you know, the development hasn't worked out. I think the exact way they

33:26wanted it. Um, we don't know what he's going to end up being in the NHL. There's been some

33:30issues down in Providence. Divers obviously mentioned that quite a bit. So again, people

33:35assume, Oh, they're playing Shattuck St. Mary's and St. Andrew's college is playing Shattuck

33:39St. Mary's and Mount St. Charles. Yes, they are. But the best kids are not staying till

33:45their U18 year. And this is a whole nother discussion on player development. You know,

33:50back 20 years ago, they were now those best kids, the Cole Iserman at Shattuck, Macklin

33:54Celebrini at Shattuck, James Higgins at Mount, they're playing U14, U15, then they're gone.

34:00They're going to the national team. They're going to the USHL. Um, you know, this is the

34:04other end of it with like, you know, there's still good kids at the U16 level, then the

34:07U18 level, the talent is there. It's a lot of late bloomers. It's a lot of people hoping

34:12to get those last minute college commitments. Um, so again, I'm not saying Dean Letourneau

34:16played bad kids or bad teams. He didn't, but it wasn't the highest level of competition

34:21either. No, it wasn't for a guy like him, for someone who's six, seven. And there's

34:25nothing wrong with what he did, by the way, like you can do that. You are allowed to do

34:29that. And I think it's good for a lot of players confidence, you know, dominate the level.

34:33I think that's a really good thing, but projecting for the NHL draft is hard with a guy like

34:38that, because I think scouts would have wanted to see him play against older kids, uh, in

34:43the USHL, um, or the BCHL. And I think they didn't really get that. Now rankings have

34:49him everywhere. Like the athletic has had him at like 20 to 25. Um, some don't have

34:54him in the top 100. Some have him in the middle at like 40 or 50. Um, he's tough to project

35:00now. Like when I was telling this Connor Ryan yesterday, he's like, that's the kind of guy

35:04I would want because what it could be, you know, you're taking a big swing on it. Um, I

35:09think there's other options like a Sasha boy. There is someone I like a former Mount St.

35:13Charles guy, uh, lit it up this year for Muskegon in the USHL, a high offensive upside. Um,

35:21that's the kind of guy I would like down the middle, but I don't think he's going to be

35:23there at 25. So, you know, you want to take a big swing. Leturno is a huge swing. It's a

35:28project. He's going to be at BC this year was supposed to be in the USHL, but went to BC

35:33now because Will Smith is gone. Um, you know, we'll see what ends up happening. I, what I

35:38could see happening is he gets picked in the first round, let's just say by the Bruins and

35:42then has growing pains as a freshman. And everybody's like, Oh my God, this pick is a

35:45bust. And it's like, no, no, no. If you're picking Dean Letourneau, this is a four to five

35:49year process. This is, you know, he, it's going to be a while before you see him. I mean,

35:54like it's 2024, like think 2028, 29, 2030, when he's like paying dividends. But again, if

36:02that turns into Tate Thompson, then you take that. Um, but it just comes down to what you

36:06want at that pick. So I don't really, I don't know. Cause the Bruins didn't have a pick all

36:10year in the first round. So I never really talked with anybody about like what the Bruins

36:16want in the first round. So I can't really tell you what they want, but that's why I will not

36:20be in the sphere in Vegas this weekend, Evan. Cause I was like, they're not picking until the

36:25fourth round. And the joke is on us. Uh, yeah, I'll be in Buffalo at select 17 camp. So far

36:33from the draft, which everybody's pissed. I don't know. It's dumb that they schedule it the

36:37same week is considering these are all the top 17 year olds who are going to be picked for next

36:42year's NHL draft. Why would you ha why would you schedule that the same weekend as the current

36:47NHL draft? Cause none of the scouts will be there. So yeah, they're all going to be ripping

36:52it up in Vegas at the sphere. Why would they, no one's choosing Buffalo over Vegas. Definitely

36:58not. All right. Good draft talk, Evan. Thank you very much.

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