Amanpour & Co. - May 6, 2024
From February 1, 2024, Mustafa Suleyman is an artificial intelligence pioneer and co-founder of the AI lab Deepmind. He joins the show to discuss his book “The Coming Wave.” Actor Jeffrey Wright on his new comedy “American Fiction.” The Washington Post’s National Security Columnist Max Boot on on Trump, and Putin and blocks Ukraine aid.
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00:03- Hello everyone, and welcome
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00:30Plus.
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00:48Also ahead.
00:49- This war is actually the
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01:03for Ukraine's battle with Putin
01:05is in America's own interest.
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01:26- [Announcer] Amanpour &
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02:04from viewers like you.
02:06Thank you.
02:08- Welcome to the
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02:18about stopping him
02:19by pledging to give
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02:33and the world all over that
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02:51which by comparison is still
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03:05of the danger Putin
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03:20Misinformation and deep
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03:32as co-founder of
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03:48during this transition to AI,
03:50and that the world still
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04:052023, let's say, has
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04:18What should we know right
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04:31What does it mean for jobs,
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04:43challenges we have in
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04:53my new company is
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05:06It has very high
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05:16that emotions were gonna be
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05:31turns out it's
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05:40And I think that that
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05:53an emergent effect of life.
05:55This is a tool, this is
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06:03That it is Frankenstein
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06:15We've already seen a fake
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06:28in their quest to elect
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06:46That's scary stuff,
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07:01What does it mean for
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07:14these should not be allowed to
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07:29And I think it should be
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07:43or even promoting or advocating
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07:58people are just very
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08:21I mean, as you know, in
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08:33as it always does, and
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08:47that are deeply engaged
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09:02for Google and Facebook, TikTok
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09:15They've done it before,
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09:27when that was about to
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09:34but it's, you know,
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09:45What worries you about that?
09:47And plus, you know,
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10:17It's really difficult to get Pi
10:19to say something
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10:29you could possibly imagine.
10:31That demonstrates
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10:42is try and bring to bear
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10:52So you can be as empathetic,
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11:36that this is fundamentally
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11:51working in an everyday
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12:16And that's the
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12:48because an AI is essentially
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12:58- So you basically said
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13:15- Well, one of the things
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13:40And those are gonna be
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14:22"Do you have a lot of doubles?"
14:24Apparently this
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14:38I mean, how does
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14:50And so people reproduce
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15:05However, we have
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15:20People would peer to peer
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15:34It can't just happen
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15:46that left unchecked they could
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15:58that was reported
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16:08for lethal autonomous weapons.
16:10When DeepMind was acquired,
16:12we made it a condition of
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16:26And you know, I'm still
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16:35and if they're widely available
16:37and if militaries
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16:45- What is your biggest hope
16:47and the thing that gives
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16:55but where will we see
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17:25for your life.
17:27It'll be a scheduler,
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17:37to help organize your life.
17:38- And you don't think that'll
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17:49- I actually think in a way,
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18:04We look on every front, race,
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18:27- Mustafa Suleyman, thank you
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19:05- If you've guts to know, I
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19:27- Jeffrey Wright joined
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20:24- Okay, so given that
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20:35this amazing sort of satire
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20:47It's a film about a
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21:39- That's me, Ellison.
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21:53The the blackest thing
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22:07It's not my fault, it's not
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22:46- Yes.
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23:17it's you know, American
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23:47That a conversation that's
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23:58But it's not a conversation
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24:22- Well, there was a line in the,
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24:37And these are the things that
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24:56And so how do we come together
24:57with all of these strange
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25:09and so our film is not
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25:25- So after that
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26:30And again, that's the book
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26:54He wants to be individual,
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27:10I think all of us
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27:34So there's a universality to it
27:36that I think is
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27:54And I am going to play
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28:05- Yes.
28:06Well first of all, let me
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undefined:undefined- Professional class,
28:39are having to take on
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undefined:undefined- Played by Issa Rae.
28:51- And she pushes back on
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedof thesis argument in the film.
29:06One of the things that Cord
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedabout not making a film
29:20that was some
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined676
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedsure that Monk, my character,
29:38may not be the most
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undefined:undefined680
undefined:undefined681
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthrough the course of the film,
29:54despite his objection
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedbetween their perspectives.
30:08Somewhere on the table there,
30:09maybe in a synthesis
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined691
undefined:undefined692
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedat the end of the film
30:22that he is at the beginning.
30:23He's gone through this process
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined698
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedtransform to some extent.
30:40He goes through a
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedend is really fascinating.
30:51Very unexpected,
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined707
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinednot earning much otherwise,
31:03and you have to pay for
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined711
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthe dysfunctional family,
31:18the loving family, how you
31:21have done all this that
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined716
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedhypocritical or sellout.
31:31He's, his mother is ailing
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined720
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedof being caretaker
31:43to the woman who
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedand emotionally,
31:57because I understood that,
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined730
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedit was very quick.
32:11But I had the good fortune
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined735
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcaretaker to my mom,
32:22and then having to be
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined739
undefined:undefined740
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedme of the youthful idea
32:34that life gets easier
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined744
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined- Filled with emotions.
32:47It's really sad.
32:49- And there's a wonderful
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined750
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedan invitation to
33:01members of the audience
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined754
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthe satirical side.
33:15And you know, the kind
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined758
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedfamily like everyone else.
33:29- Like everybody else, yes.
33:31Can I just ask you, because
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined763
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedGames," "James Bond,"
33:43but this is your first
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined767
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinednot so great anymore.
33:56So she has difficulty
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcongratulations.
34:12But you know, you should
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undefined:undefinedthat we all did.
34:29The film was recognized
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined789
undefined:undefined790
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedwonderful feeling.
34:39And I just wanted last question.
34:40Do you choose certain roles?
34:42Some of these
34:44sort of are in the modern
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined797
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedracial stereotypes,
34:55do you feel that you want to
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined801
undefined:undefined802
undefined:undefined803
undefined:undefined804
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined- Is it? Okay.
35:14- Yeah, I think a lot of
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined808
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedmany respects, a young woman,
35:30you know, kind of
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedbest, maybe the best
35:42period of filmmaking
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined815
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcharacter-driven films that,
35:57you know, that
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined820
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthat era in some ways,
36:10and does so too.
36:12I saw Mel Brooks honored
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined825
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedsatire doesn't work
36:25if it's not talking
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined829
undefined:undefined830
undefined:undefined831
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedlittle bit of comfort,
36:41a little bit of relief, a
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined836
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined- Thank you so much.
36:51- Thank you very much.
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined840
undefined:undefined841
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcame from the EU today.
37:03But no such help
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined847
undefined:undefined848
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedSecurity columnist, Max Boot,
37:21telling Walter Isaacson
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined852
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedoffensive against Russia
37:36this past year seems to be, at
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined858
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedand forth like this.
37:52Why should Americans
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined862
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedsince the end of the Cold War.
38:09We're spending less than
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined867
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedlost about two thirds
38:19of their pre-war tank inventory.
38:21They've suffered more
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined872
undefined:undefined873
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedsince World War II.
38:39It would set a horrible
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined878
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedattack South Korea.
38:50We don't wanna live
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined882
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcounteroffensive failed,
39:01Russia has also failed in its
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined887
undefined:undefinedliberal democracy.
39:12It is very much in our
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined890
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedhaven't been able to
39:24capture much territory,
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined894
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedor a ceasefire in place?
39:36- Well, Putin has
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined900
undefined:undefined901
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedrecently said that
39:53he was the apple of Putin's eye.
39:55This is the Republican
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined907
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthough it's Joe Biden in office
40:11of not Trump right now, the
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undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined913
undefined:undefined914
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedof course in Washington,
40:30he may well be proven correct.
40:32- And so what happens
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined922
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedto be an American.
40:43- It would make me
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined927
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedalone against the Nazis.
40:54And remember a lot of
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined931
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedon Pearl Harbor,
41:03and unfortunately that America
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined935
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedfrom unprovoked aggression.
41:16And we need to
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined939
undefined:undefined940
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedus a shame to be Americans.
41:29And it will, if the
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined944
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedSenate is pretty close
41:42to negotiating a deal.
41:43Senator Lankford of
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined949
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedgenius in the congressional
42:01Republican caucus decided
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedfrom the Kremlin."
42:12Why is it so bad to say, Hey,
42:15we wanna secure our border
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined958
undefined:undefined959
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedare not linked.
42:26We are not being invaded
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined963
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedwith the Russian invasion.
42:35And I don't mind linking
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined967
undefined:undefined968
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedpresidency in the 1980s.
42:49And now we're seeing why
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined973
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedit needs to fail,
42:59because essentially
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined977
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcaucus will tank
43:11the immigration
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined982
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedup or down vote or not?
43:23And it's imperative
undefined:undefined985
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedto settle our differences.
43:32They need aid right now, they
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined989
undefined:undefined990
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthink would happen
43:47if Trump is restored
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined995
undefined:undefined996
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedforeign policy of isolationism
44:00that we had shoed
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1000
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedis Donald Trump,
44:12who adopts the slogan
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1004
undefined:undefined1005
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedand unpredictable,
44:25and capable of going off
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1010
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedZelensky or Ukraine.
44:38He's constantly talked
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1014
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthings put together
44:48should be a very loud alarm
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1018
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthat has existed since 1945,
45:03they need to vote for
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1022
undefined:undefined1023
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedin your sympathies,
45:18so you now think people
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1029
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedto John McCain,
45:31Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio.
45:34The very first time I ever
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1034
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedas an independent,
45:44because I was not comfortable
45:46with where the Republican
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1039
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedethnonationalist populist party
46:00of grievance and xenophobia,
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1043
undefined:undefined1044
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedsoundly at night,
46:13because even though I
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1049
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedof Ronald Reagan
46:25coming out later this
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1054
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedor changed by Trump to,
46:41from being a
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1058
undefined:undefined1059
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedI think, you know,
46:55to sum it up very
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1063
undefined:undefinedpopulist elements,
47:05which were a lot
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1067
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedpolitical campaigns
47:18as Ronald Reagan
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1071
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedUS leadership.
47:31- Trump is the exception.
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undefined:undefined1075
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedReagan was the guy who
47:43believed in funding
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undefined:undefined1079
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthe people of Ukraine
47:52in their resistance
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1083
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedoff new liquified natural gas,
48:04LNG, exports from
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefinedEuropean allies.
48:17What do you make of that?
48:20- Well, I mean, I think we're
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1092
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedneeds to find the balancing act
48:34between preserving our
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undefined:undefined1097
undefined:undefined1098
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedbe a huge benefit to Russia,
48:48because we're already
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undefined:undefined1102
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedas we would like.
49:01- Our sanctions are
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1106
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedeconomy continues to function,
49:13but they have very
undefined:undefined1109
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedmost of their economy
49:23or increasing the large
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1114
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined- But by doing so,
49:33they're being able to produce
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undefined:undefined1118
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinednot a pretty sight
49:44if this thing keeps going on?
49:47- Well, they are, I mean they
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1123
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedfrom Iran and North Korea,
49:59the only rogue states
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined1128
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedkinds of weapons production.
50:11I think we certainly have the,
50:13I mean the US and Europe are
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1133
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedI think certainly keep
50:27Ukraine able to defend itself
50:30as long as the United States
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined1139
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedAmerican soldiers killed
50:46by I think pro-
50:47I guess I would say the
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1144
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefineda proxy war there.
51:03Should we retaliate, we
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1149
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedretaliate because, you know,
51:20I think the Iranian backed
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1156
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedthe Hamas attack on Israel
51:33on October 7th.
51:35So I think President Biden
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1161
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedanybody's interest, and,
51:45so I don't think he's gonna
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1165
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefineda little bit unhinged
51:55and very, very dangerous.
51:56But clearly we need to also
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1170
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedPresident Biden and his military
52:11and foreign policy advisors
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undefined:undefined1174
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undefined:undefinedwar that nobody wants.
52:28- Yeah, I always think of
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1179
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedon too many fronts,
52:39and not to have our
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefinedcloser to each other.
52:54Do you think we're making
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined1189
undefined:undefinedgrouped against us?
53:07- Well, you know, I would
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedChina, and Russia,
53:16but they're not close
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
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undefined:undefined1197
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedweapons to Russia and Ukraine,
53:29I think that's hugely important,
53:31and China seems to have adopted
53:33a somewhat more
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undefined:undefined1205
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcan, it's hard,
53:43you know, there's no
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1209
undefined:undefined1210
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedare attacking US forces.
53:55Certainly we should try to avoid
53:57getting embroiled in
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undefined:undefined1215
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedtry to preserve the peace
54:08in the key centers of
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1219
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedMadeleine Albright said,
54:20in trying to uphold
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1223
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedrole and retreat into the
54:31kind of pre-pro
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undefined:undefined1227
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedfor when things get messy,
54:44Lionel Messi, that is.
54:46A paper napkin
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undefined:undefined1233
undefined:undefinedprice $380,000.
54:59The deal was sealed in 2000,
55:01when Messi was
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undefined:undefined1237
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedClub, Inter Miami last year,
55:14he's had a massive
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undefined:undefined1242
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedwas written on.
55:25That's it for our
undefined:undefined00:00:07,233 --> 00:00:09,200
undefined:undefined1246
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedand goodbye from London.
55:36[upbeat music]