Outlook India: Lok Sabha Election Results 2024

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Outlook India brings you the much-awaited Lok Sabha Election Results of 2024. We analyzed the results, examined the political landscape, and discussed the implications for India's future. Our comprehensive ground coverage, with reporters traveling extensively, provides key takeaways, surprising upsets, and the impact of these results on the political climate. In this live analysis, we offer an in-depth look to give you a clearer picture of India's political trajectory following these pivotal elections.

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00:02:02We have the newsroom here, the Outlook newsroom.

00:02:24And at 10 o'clock, we thought we'll just give a quick look

00:02:27at how it is going so far.

00:02:30I have with me my colleague Abhig Bhattacharya,

00:02:31who's been traveling a lot for the election.

00:02:34And so have I in Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, and Telangana.

00:02:36Abhig had gone to Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand,

00:02:39and other places.

00:02:41At 10 o'clock, it seems what the exit polls had predicted,

00:02:45it's not as spectacular for the BJP

00:02:47as the exit polls had predicted.

00:02:50And it's not as dismal for the India alliance.

00:02:53That's what it seems, especially coming from a few states.

00:02:56In UP, we'll come to that later.

00:02:57I think we'll talk to the correspondent who

00:02:59went to UP, but Maharashtra, Karnataka, in the south.

00:03:04Actually, as you rightly say, that what

00:03:06exit polls predicted at that point of time,

00:03:09nothing is actually holding true now.

00:03:11Because the difference is getting narrowed down

00:03:15between India and India bloc.

00:03:17And if you look at the numbers, though it's very early trends,

00:03:20that if you look at BJP's numbers,

00:03:22alone, BJP is now less than 255.

00:03:26So this is something pretty interesting,

00:03:28because something else was being predicted.

00:03:30And now, if you look at state by state,

00:03:33then if we look at Uttar Pradesh,

00:03:36as we will talk to Rakhi later, but in Uttar Pradesh,

00:03:40it's a neck-to-neck context.

00:03:41In Maharashtra, specifically, this contest

00:03:45is very pretty interesting.

00:03:46Because Uddhav Sena, as when I went to Konkan region,

00:03:50I found on the ground that Uddhav Sena was getting

00:03:53this whole sentimental vote.

00:03:55That is, there was this sentiment in favor

00:03:57of that somebody betrayed them.

00:03:59The sense of betrayal was there.

00:04:01So this is what we can see.

00:04:03I was just looking to Konkan region seats,

00:04:05and most of the seats are now being led by Uddhav Sena.

00:04:08Right, and in fact, I traveled in the Marathwada region,

00:04:11Sholapur, Aurangabad, Nashik, et cetera.

00:04:13There, again, there was this thing

00:04:16about some outsider coming and splitting up a local party.

00:04:20That sentiment was there.

00:04:21Of course, added to that were very, very local issues,

00:04:24like the farmers' distress, the onion prices,

00:04:28the farmers not getting enough there,

00:04:30the Marathwada agitation of Manoj Range party,

00:04:34which was a major.

00:04:36So yes, I mean, to that, I think there

00:04:38is some resonance of that on the ground.

00:04:42And Konkan is one part.

00:04:44Konkan is one part.

00:04:45Another state we are in?

00:04:46Karnataka, actually.

00:04:47Karnataka.

00:04:48Yeah, Karnataka, because in Karnataka, you travel there.

00:04:51You tell us what is there, what is happening,

00:04:53because BJP's sort of Mallika Arjun Khargi, the Congress

00:04:56president, is from Karnataka, number one.

00:04:58Number two, Karnataka, just recently,

00:05:01Congress had a wonderful performance in Karnataka.

00:05:03But what is happening now?

00:05:05There is, when in Karnataka, we discovered,

00:05:08we really realized that there is a definite differentiation

00:05:10between state and state elections.

00:05:12And there was this, many of us told us,

00:05:16even at the time of assembly polls,

00:05:17that in our center, we'll give it to Modi,

00:05:20in various areas in Karnataka and other languages.

00:05:22So that was definitely there.

00:05:23But then, I think, the results now,

00:05:25I mean, it's not as spectacular.

00:05:28They have done, I mean,

00:05:29They have done well, yeah.

00:05:30They are doing, still it's in the second round.

00:05:33Going on, to go on reiterating, this is very, very early days.

00:05:36It's a very early stage, and second round has just started.

00:05:39Yeah, so it's very early.

00:05:40It's just at 10 o'clock.

00:05:41We're just taking a quick look.

00:05:42One thing I just want to add, one state that we

00:05:44want to talk about is Jharkhand, because adivasi politics

00:05:47has been one of the major contentious parts

00:05:49of the elections.

00:05:49So in Jharkhand, if you look, that in the last, like,

00:05:52four, three to four, six, now, India bloc is leading.

00:05:55And it is significant, because Hemant Suran's arrest

00:05:58on 31st January suddenly changed the politics of the state.

00:06:01So this is something even new coming up,

00:06:03that in adivasi sectors, who are gaining and who are trailing.

00:06:07So these are the main things we have.

00:06:08The other very interesting state is Uttar Pradesh,

00:06:10and Rakhi was, Rakhi, if you could come and join us,

00:06:13maybe they can just say.

00:06:15Rakhi had traveled to Uttar Pradesh

00:06:16for our ground reporting, and she had done many stories,

00:06:19especially from Western UP and other parts, too.

00:06:21So are these trends a little surprising to you?

00:06:23I mean, did you, when you traveled there,

00:06:25did it seem that, it seemed to you

00:06:27that it was much more spectacular

00:06:30under the Yogi administration?

00:06:31Actually, what's more surprising is

00:06:33that they're a little different from what

00:06:35the exit polls were suggesting.

00:06:36But on ground, actually, we did face a lot of anti-incumbency

00:06:39when we did Jyotindra.

00:06:40There was a lot of anti-incumbency

00:06:41that a lot of key seats that were BJP seats,

00:06:46including seats like Muzaffarnagar,

00:06:48which, by the way, BJP is, at this point, leading in.

00:06:51But then there are seats like Kerala,

00:06:54seats like Baghpat, which RLD is now getting.

00:06:57Then there is Madhya Pradesh, which is going with SC.

00:07:01So Samajwadi Party seems to be doing very well

00:07:04in several of the seats.

00:07:06Interestingly, Congress is also doing well in seats like that.

00:07:09So that aligns with acclamation.

00:07:11It seems like it's working, yeah.

00:07:13In the end, they did come to an understanding of,

00:07:15there was a lot of initial, I think,

00:07:17heartburn about seat sharing.

00:07:18But they did come to a compromise.

00:07:20And that seems to be, I think, working for the India.

00:07:24So the rallies were quite populated.

00:07:28Each other.

00:07:29It's a bank campaigning for each other.

00:07:30In fact, Akhilesh Yadav did a lot

00:07:33of campaigning individually for a lot of the candidates.

00:07:37So that is there.

00:07:38And mainly, there is a lot of anti-incumbency,

00:07:41seat-wise anti-incumbency against their own,

00:07:43against the local issues.

00:07:45So if these trends are going to, I mean,

00:07:48if they go to fruition, then what we will see

00:07:50is actually that ground issues did play an important role

00:07:53this time on the ground.

00:07:55This is exactly.

00:07:56So ground issues, as we know, that whatever issues we

00:08:00observed in ground, that's actually, perhaps,

00:08:02are issues in the election, whether this number will

00:08:06hold true or not, it depends on that.

00:08:08But one thing you tell us, that Bahujan Samajwadi Party.

00:08:11Last time, the Samajwadi Party alliance, they got 10 seats.

00:08:15What is happening?

00:08:16We can see it's an early trend.

00:08:21Again, we are telling to our audience,

00:08:23it's very early trend.

00:08:24It's just the second round has started.

00:08:26So we cannot finalize these numbers.

00:08:29So if you can tell us about Bahujan Samajwadi.

00:08:31Yeah, it does look like BSP is kind of at a wipe-out stage

00:08:33right now.

00:08:45Yeah, so there's the local issues.

00:09:03But a little bit surprising, well, not so much maybe,

00:09:07is Delhi.

00:09:08It's right now, I mean, again, very early.

00:09:10But it seems the BJP, it's a clean sweep of seven seats.

00:09:14So here, the alliance has not so much worked.

00:09:16So I mean, it was working initially.

00:09:18And then Kejriwal's release from prison was also,

00:09:21it did galvanize the forces here.

00:09:23But then there was a bit of infighting

00:09:25among the carders here.

00:09:27I mean, there was a lack of understanding in some seats,

00:09:30whether this is an Aam Aadmi Party candidate

00:09:32or this is a Congress candidate.

00:09:34Voters, for instance, were not sure.

00:09:35They didn't know till they're very, for instance,

00:09:38in seats like Northeast Delhi, the candidate

00:09:39was given very late.

00:09:40So Kanhaiya Kumar had very little time to.

00:09:42And then he was also that outsider

00:09:44that he was paratrooped.

00:09:46Absolutely.

00:09:46And so Congress and Aam Aadmi Party

00:09:49were also kind of used to working against each other.

00:09:51Though it's, again, I have to reiterate, it's early.

00:09:54There are, I think, two seats where it's very close.

00:09:56As of now, it's neck to neck.

00:09:57So we'll have to see.

00:09:59Yeah, I think that.

00:09:59West Delhi, I think, would be one of them.

00:10:01And Northeast Delhi would be the other one.

00:10:02Northeast.

00:10:03So we'll, let's see.

00:10:04But as of now, yes, they are, I mean,

00:10:05it does seem like a sweep now.

00:10:08So at 10 o'clock, the major, to conclude,

00:10:11I mean, the broad picture seems to be that BJP is holding

00:10:14strong in the Hindi heartland, in Rajasthan, in Madhya

00:10:20Pradesh, in Gujarat, where it was expected to do.

00:10:24And anyway, they had actually maxed.

00:10:26I think the surprising, if it comes,

00:10:28would be in, perhaps, UP.

00:10:29UP, yes, Akhilesh.

00:10:32I think the performance is very strong there.

00:10:35Karnataka, not as bad as the exit polls

00:10:40and other analysis also.

00:10:42South is yet to be, I mean, it's still a,

00:10:45you know, it's a kind of a citadel

00:10:47that the BJP has not yet crossed,

00:10:50that they are still holding on there.

00:10:52So that is, at 10 o'clock, I think, broadly the picture.

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00:46:29Hello, welcome to Outlook Live again.

00:46:31So we are here at, we're nearing 11 now.

00:46:34And the early trends so far are still

00:46:37not as spectacular for the NDA as it was predicted,

00:46:41both in the exit polls as well as in the reports

00:46:44before the elections.

00:46:46They are doing well.

00:46:47They are now around, I think, nearly near the 300 mark,

00:46:51but not as much as they predicted.

00:46:53But one of the most interesting states in this whole thing

00:46:55at this point is Uttar Pradesh.

00:46:58You know, the seat Akhilesh Yadav seems

00:47:00to be doing the SP, his party.

00:47:02SP is doing fantastically well, actually, compared to 2019.

00:47:06And I have with me Rakhi here.

00:47:08Rakhi, you traveled extensively in UP.

00:47:11And we have Zaina from Lucknow joining us on the screen there.

00:47:16She has also traveled to UP to report on the elections.

00:47:20And one thing that is actually becoming very clear

00:47:22is how there is nothing to beat ground

00:47:24reporting in elections.

00:47:26What our reporters came back and told us,

00:47:28it seems to be that is reflecting more here

00:47:30than any of the exit polls or any of the opinion polls

00:47:33or any of the million other surveys that have happened.

00:47:36So I mean, as a traditional journalist,

00:47:40I would say that there is really nothing

00:47:42to beat a reporter going to the ground, talking to people,

00:47:45finding out what the issues are, coming back and reporting,

00:47:48doing stories, analyzing.

00:47:50You know, it may seem very old fashioned,

00:47:52but I really think that in the end,

00:47:54there is really nothing to beat that journalism.

00:47:56So Rakhi, are these results a little surprising for you

00:48:00when you travel to Western UP, particularly?

00:48:02Actually, it's not surprising.

00:48:04Like I said earlier also, the exit polls

00:48:06were surprising because they gave quite a sweep

00:48:09to the Bharatiya Jata Party.

00:48:10But this time, I mean, what at least I

00:48:12saw in several Western UP seats, there

00:48:14was a lot of anti-incumbency.

00:48:17The Congress and Samajwadi Party alliance

00:48:19seems to be working in many places.

00:48:21What were the issues in the areas you went?

00:48:23What were the local issues?

00:48:24Do you think those local issues are really

00:48:27reflecting here in the numbers?

00:48:28I think a little bit.

00:48:30So if the seats like Western UP, for instance,

00:48:34that are winning, for instance, Moradabad, Kerala, Rampur,

00:48:37then there's Sambhal.

00:48:39These are the seats that SP is leading in at this moment.

00:48:42So mainly, there is the issue of sugarcane prices.

00:48:45The Western belt is a sugarcane belt.

00:48:47And they're saying that for the last 10 years,

00:48:49they have not seen much improvement there.

00:48:50So then there is the matter of polarization

00:48:54was kind of important.

00:48:55Identity politics seems to have taken kind of a,

00:48:59we see a return to caste-based politics in UP.

00:49:02Then there was the Rajput anger and the Jat consolidation.

00:49:06So I think the samikaran that the Samajwadi Party did

00:49:09this time in the different seats worked out.

00:49:11And also the fact that price rise and inflation and farming

00:49:16crisis, these things had an impact.

00:49:18And wherever we went, we did hear voters talk

00:49:21about these issues constantly.

00:49:22So in the exit polls, we saw that those issues are not

00:49:27coming up.

00:49:27But now, I think the numbers are reflecting more.

00:49:29In fact, Zainab, if I can come to you,

00:49:32the other issue, there was a lot of criticism

00:49:34about the alliance itself, the India bloc alliance.

00:49:37They were saying that it was such a quickly, hurriedly put

00:49:40together, motley group of political parties.

00:49:44But in UP, definitely, the alliance

00:49:46between Akhilesh Yadav's Samajwadi Party and Congress,

00:49:51it definitely seems to be working there.

00:49:54There was a little bit of an issue about seat sharing,

00:49:57I think, in the beginning.

00:49:58But then they did iron out their differences.

00:50:00And they did agree upon the seats in an amicable way

00:50:03in the end.

00:50:03And each one campaigned for each other's.

00:50:05So since you traveled there in UP as well,

00:50:09so this alliance is coming good there.

00:50:13Yeah, that's right.

00:50:14I mean, Samajwadi Party still has quite a lot of popularity

00:50:19because of Mulayam Singh Yadav.

00:50:21A lot of people remember him very,

00:50:24someone who used to really work for them.

00:50:27And so yeah, I think because of Mulayam Singh Yadav,

00:50:33Akhilesh Yadav also has a good, I would say, good popularity.

00:50:37And also, one of the things that-

00:50:38In fact, this time, I mean, this is the one election

00:50:41where Akhilesh has really come onto his own, right?

00:50:43I mean, there was a lot of resistance

00:50:45within the Samajwadi Party.

00:50:48There was this conflict with the uncles and so

00:50:51many other relatives.

00:50:53This election, he has fought himself.

00:50:56Yeah, I mean, I don't think any internal sort of disputes

00:51:02have come to the fore or taken over this time.

00:51:06And Aditya Yadav, who is Shivpal Yadav's son,

00:51:10he is also contesting.

00:51:11Shivpal Yadav, sorry, Dharmendra Yadav,

00:51:15he's also contesting.

00:51:16But also, I feel like they have not

00:51:17let the family narrative sort of take over.

00:51:22Only five people from the entire family

00:51:25are contesting this time.

00:51:26And there are a lot of other candidates as well.

00:51:30Also, let's talk about Akhilesh Yadav

00:51:34having two Dalit candidates in seats

00:51:38that are not reserved seats, which

00:51:39has worked well for the voters.

00:51:42Yeah, and the other point about what Rakhi was just

00:51:45talking about, these local issues in Uttar Pradesh,

00:51:48which seem to be coming to the fore,

00:51:50even though it is a Lok Sabha poll.

00:51:52One from Delhi and other centers,

00:51:55it seems that Yogi Adityanath's Uttar Pradesh

00:51:59is quite impenetrable, that he's really riding a wave.

00:52:02And his schemes and other deliverables

00:52:06have reached the people.

00:52:07And many people have benefited.

00:52:09But did you find problems people were

00:52:13facing, unemployment, price rise, farm distress?

00:52:20I mean, what are the issues that you found locally

00:52:22when you traveled?

00:52:24I think unemployment was one of the biggest issues.

00:52:28Farmer's crisis was huge.

00:52:30The problem of stray cattle, that

00:52:31was common everywhere in all the constituencies that I visited.

00:52:37Yeah, rising prices, again, a big issue.

00:52:39So people are really suffering.

00:52:42And I think somewhere or the other,

00:52:44they were discontent with the way

00:52:47that they were treated, or the government

00:52:53had acted in the last 10 years not much for them.

00:52:59Also, another interesting thing is, initially, a lot

00:53:02was said, even in the last election,

00:53:04and even in the legislative assembly elections,

00:53:06about this thing about development.

00:53:09And so everybody is always talking

00:53:10about how the roads are doing well.

00:53:13But this time, you heard a lot about,

00:53:14oh, the tolls are also very heavy.

00:53:17The fact that there are good roads,

00:53:18but we don't have the money to pay for petrol right now.

00:53:21So what do we do with these good roads?

00:53:23And then there are farmer belts, where landowning farmers,

00:53:27like she pointed out very happily,

00:53:29stray cattle is a big problem for landowning rich farmers,

00:53:33for instance.

00:53:33So this time, and rich farmers are who in UP?

00:53:36They're mostly Rajput, they're mostly Jat.

00:53:38So when we're seeing a bit of this caste-based anger,

00:53:41it's also these issues.

00:53:43Yeah.

00:53:43Also, Rakhi, when a government is there for 10 years,

00:53:47there is bound to be an anti-incumbency factor

00:53:50in any case.

00:53:5110 years to rule uninterrupted is a big thing in India,

00:53:54actually, in many states.

00:53:56And that is also what we saw.

00:53:58Because they are saying that, yes,

00:54:00it is a national election for the prime minister,

00:54:02for electing the prime minister.

00:54:04But we're also voting for choosing our local MPs,

00:54:06because we want our local work to be done.

00:54:08So yeah, anti-incumbency, even if it is not against the party

00:54:12per se, there was a lot of anti-incumbency

00:54:14against particular candidates.

00:54:15That, I think, is what is a good point.

00:54:16I think that is what is being reflected in many of the seats,

00:54:19that how the local issues, though it

00:54:21is a national election, they want the MPs to address them,

00:54:25to talk about it in the parliament,

00:54:26and reach some resolution.

00:54:30I think we'll end it there, and we'll come back soon

00:54:32with more states.

00:54:34We thought of taking up UP just now,

00:54:36because it's one of the most interesting states

00:54:38to look at.

00:54:39Thank you very much.

00:54:39Thank you, Zainab, for joining us from Lucknow.

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01:08:48Hello, and welcome to Outlook Live again.

01:08:51You know, Chinky, we have Chinky, our editor, Outlook.

01:08:54So from the numbers, what is, I think, becoming very clear

01:08:57is that apart from all the hype, apart from all the analysis,

01:09:00apart from all the exit polls that came, et cetera,

01:09:03there is nothing really to beat for a journalist

01:09:06for to go to the ground, come back with stories, talk to people,

01:09:09come and report to the editor and, you know, bring out issues.

01:09:12So that is one thing I think that, you know, with our resources,

01:09:15whatever we could manage, but we fanned out reporters

01:09:18all over the country and what they brought back to us

01:09:21did not seem, you know, in fact, that is reflecting in what is,

01:09:24I think, going on right now, isn't it?

01:09:26I think so.

01:09:27I think, firstly, we went back to the traditional forms of journalism

01:09:30and we cut out the noise and we said to our reporters

01:09:36that we will try and send everybody across India

01:09:39and we also adopted a model where a reporter will go to a state

01:09:42which is unfamiliar so that they are able to see stories.

01:09:45The outsider's advantage.

01:09:48Exactly, the outsider's advantage and also, you know,

01:09:51we also learned in journalism schools that how,

01:09:54when a reporter goes to a place which is not very familiar,

01:09:57they are able to see more in terms of, you know,

01:10:00they are not biased and they are not really...

01:10:03I mean, today in this day and age where magazines and print media are struggling,

01:10:08I think we are also very grateful to Outlook,

01:10:11you know, the CEO Indranil Roy,

01:10:14who actually did not say anything and said that,

01:10:17okay, here's the money, you guys use it judiciously.

01:10:20So we also sent out very young reporters, actually,

01:10:23like, you know, Zaina, you know, Sharmita,

01:10:26you know, Vikram Raj, for instance, very young reporters

01:10:29who are in their early 20s and all.

01:10:32It's the first time and nobody gets that opportunity

01:10:35because we always go for very seasoned reporters.

01:10:38And, you know, there's this whole thing about being political in terms of reportage.

01:10:41But, you know, I must say, but even for old fogies like me,

01:10:44it's, I mean, you know, to go to the ground,

01:10:47speak to the people and, you know,

01:10:50you've gone there with a lot of, you know, you've read a lot,

01:10:53you know, you've prepared yourself.

01:10:56But what the surprise is that you get to know that the ground throws up.

01:10:59You know, it's absolutely unmatched, you know,

01:11:02it's like, you know, because I travelled, as you know,

01:11:05in the Marathwada belt in Maharashtra,

01:11:08you know, from Solapur, Aurangabad, Nashik, Bombay, etc.

01:11:11And, you know, there was real farm distress.

01:11:14You know, the onion farmers were not getting the prices that they were hoping for.

01:11:17In fact, they were getting half of what they had, you know,

01:11:20they had got six months ago because of an export ban.

01:11:23So these are local issues, you know.

01:11:27The onions have brought down elections, brought down governments.

01:11:30So I think, you know, in fact, that is the point.

01:11:33I think the central government, I think, was a little apprehensive about inflation.

01:11:36So they didn't want the onion prices to shoot up.

01:11:39So they put this ban on exports and that on the ground,

01:11:42I mean, for us, it's fine in Delhi and Bombay.

01:11:45It's great that onion prices have gone down and the customer is happy.

01:11:48But how it matters to the farmer there, you know, he is sold,

01:11:51I mean, he's expecting a price of what he was getting about 45, 47 rupees.

01:11:55It's come down to 17, 18. So how, what does he do?

01:11:58His input costs are the same, you know, and most of them are small farmers really.

01:12:01So there is, I mean, so the distress is real.

01:12:04So in soya bean, in cotton, then of course the Marathwada agitation itself,

01:12:07you know, one again from far away doesn't seem like a big thing.

01:12:10But when you're there, we met Manoj Range Patil

01:12:13and, you know, the kind of following he has, it's amazing.

01:12:16So it's a serious issue, you know.

01:12:19You travelled a lot, in fact, from Vijayawada to...

01:12:22Yeah, we did from this coast of, you know, from Vijayawada and Andhra Pradesh.

01:12:25We travelled through Telangana, Andhra Pradesh,

01:12:28then Maharashtra and ended in Bombay.

01:12:31So all through, you know, even in what I think is showing away,

01:12:34is showing a little bit in the assembly polls in Andhra Pradesh,

01:12:37how TDP is making a comeback.

01:12:40You know, there was a lot of anti-incumbency.

01:12:43See, I think that 10 years to rule in India is a tough job.

01:12:46You know, there will be an anti-incumbency, whether it is Uttar Pradesh,

01:12:50whether it is Andhra Pradesh.

01:12:53You know, to continue for a chief minister for 10 years is a very difficult task.

01:12:56So there is a natural anti-incumbency there among people.

01:12:59You know, they wanted more, didn't get so much.

01:13:02So I think that is what our reporters brought back.

01:13:05And you were in Coimbatore.

01:13:08You know, the star candidate there, with so much talked about,

01:13:11doesn't seem to be doing so well right now.

01:13:14I mean, it's all very early trends.

01:13:17In Coimbatore, for instance, I mean, the report you wrote was so,

01:13:20you know, it's an eye-opener for so many of us here,

01:13:23though I am from the South.

01:13:24Yeah, no, I think the interesting thing about Coimbatore

01:13:27was when we went there and we landed in a rally,

01:13:30which was by the DMK and Rahul Gandhi had come.

01:13:34And there were like lakhs of people there, 1.5 lakhs.

01:13:37And I have never seen a rally like this in that sense.

01:13:40Never been in a rally like that.

01:13:42And I thought that, you know, there was this whole thing

01:13:46about online and offline, you know, this election.

01:13:49So online, you would see a lot of things which ran

01:13:52almost contrary to what you would see on the ground.

01:13:55Because there we were there, I mean, in Coimbatore,

01:13:58the BJP doesn't have that many carders.

01:14:01You know, people were even saying anamolized deposit would be taken

01:14:04or all kinds of things.

01:14:06But, you know, the DMK came across as a very strong party over there.

01:14:09And social justice and politics, you know, a lot of people had written it off.

01:14:12But I don't think it's very much alive.

01:14:15And we spoke to a lot of people.

01:14:18I think there's a lot of, what I felt was there was a lot of arrogance

01:14:21on part of certain candidates.

01:14:24And I think that also translates into this voting behavior.

01:14:27And the other thing, we went to Kashmir,

01:14:30which obviously only has three seats.

01:14:33But very important in terms of elections,

01:14:36because the BJP has talked about Article 370 and the abrogation

01:14:40across India, even in the South.

01:14:43So I thought that was very interesting to note.

01:14:46At Outlook, we also picked places very wisely.

01:14:49In terms of where, like we picked Coimbatore

01:14:52because there was this communal politics situation happening.

01:14:55You know, the gateway was through this communal politics

01:14:58and the riots in Coimbatore that happened.

01:15:01So all kinds of things.

01:15:04Absolutely, like Maharashtra was going to be this deciding state in some ways

01:15:07So that was the other thing.

01:15:10We picked and chose not just the states, the regions, in fact.

01:15:13Like say, Rakhi would go to Western UP.

01:15:16There was a lot of, there was Farm District.

01:15:19And given the fact that we are still a very small organization

01:15:22and we don't have the kind of resources

01:15:25Yeah, this is all we are, actually.

01:15:28Our reporters worked very hard.

01:15:31In fact, everybody worked really hard.

01:15:35We all got sick and everything.

01:15:38But, you know, the old form of a print reporter

01:15:41in the sense that a print reporter goes, understands the situation

01:15:44rather than just doing these quick bites and jumping to conclusions very quickly.

01:15:47We keep telling our reporters that we don't have to be biased.

01:15:50We have to understand things.

01:15:53And I think the young energy, I think it's a great...

01:15:56Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

01:15:59And this deep interview that a print journalist is able to do

01:16:03it's not a question of talking to 10 people.

01:16:06It's a question of talking to that one person who is going to give some insight.

01:16:09So that happens only, that can come only with time, with energy.

01:16:12You've got to spend time, you've got to have the resources to do that.

01:16:15And also we are not that, we don't jump to conclusions that quickly.

01:16:18Let's say if we see something, it's not like we will say,

01:16:21okay, this is it.

01:16:24I mean, this is all about behind the scenes kind of situation

01:16:27where we go and look at things.

01:16:30And I'm very happy that our reporters did so much hard work in today's day and age

01:16:33and were not really swayed by what other media was saying.

01:16:36The hype.

01:16:39We don't take sides.

01:16:42We said in the beginning also, I think the first issue was very apt.

01:16:45We looked at ideology.

01:16:48And I think a week or two later, Rahul Gandhi also announced

01:16:51that this is an ideological battle.

01:16:54And I think in that issue, we looked at the kind of ideological situations.

01:16:58You know, like the ups and downs that have happened,

01:17:01which parties have continued to retain their ideological positions

01:17:04and which parties have diluted.

01:17:07And I think that really mattered.

01:17:10And I think we started the elections with that.

01:17:13And then I think we then sent out and we also did that reporter's guarantee.

01:17:16Because everybody was talking about this guarantee, guarantee, guarantee.

01:17:19And we thought a ground reporter with all their honesty is the guarantee.

01:17:22Yeah, exactly.

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01:37:43Shweta travelled extensively in Maharashtra for the elections and she filed a lot of ground

01:37:48reports.

01:37:49Shweta, from what we are seeing, the exit polls and the other analysis before the elections

01:37:55about Maharashtra and what is actually coming through, it is quite different from what the

01:38:00hype was about the BJP sweeping Maharashtra in some ways.

01:38:05So when you travelled in Maharashtra, first of all if you could just maybe tell us briefly

01:38:11about the regions you went to and the issues people were talking about in those areas.

01:38:18Right, so I started my travel from Vidarbha which went to the polls in the first phase.

01:38:25I travelled to Nagpur which is a key constituency for the BJP where Union Minister Nitin Gadkari

01:38:35is contesting for the third time and then I headed to Gadchiroli which is the remotest

01:38:42part of Maharashtra, remotest district affected by left wing extremism.

01:38:47Both these constituencies fall in the Vidarbha region which is the epicentre of the farmer's

01:38:56crisis.

01:38:57We also see a lot of tribal dominated areas here.

01:39:03So development remains a key word here and although BJP, since it's been in power in

01:39:142014, we've seen a lot of basic infrastructure work here which is mainly about road connectivity

01:39:22which Mr. Nitin Gadkari has done a great job in developing the area in connectivity of road.

01:39:33So you're saying that you saw this kind of infrastructure development happening even

01:39:37in Gadchiroli?

01:39:38Yes, like the most biggest change, the significant change that has happened is the highway connecting

01:39:47from Nagpur to Gadchiroli which can, you know, which would take roughly like 3 to 4 hours.

01:39:55This travel was very risky as well as the road connectivity was not at all good say

01:40:02a decade ago.

01:40:03That has changed.

01:40:04A lot of these changes have taken place in the Vidarbha region.

01:40:08However, the problems of people in terms of accessing basic infrastructure, in terms of

01:40:15farmer's crisis continue to remain here.

01:40:19Same with the water problem and water scarcity.

01:40:22It was the beginning of summer when we started the elections but by the time the seven phases

01:40:28were done, the water scarcity and the heat temperatures have drastically impacted the

01:40:35region here.

01:40:36So that is what…

01:40:37Yeah.

01:40:38And you know, here from what we are seeing, Uddhav Thackeray's party and Congress, as

01:40:44of now, I mean, these are still early trends, it could change, but they are showing excellent

01:40:48results there in Maharashtra.

01:40:50Do you think this last minute split in the Shiv Sena has also gone much in favor of Uddhav

01:40:58as kind of a sympathy factor, you know, a homegrown party being split by, I mean, many

01:41:04people told me when I was traveling in Maharashtra, split by outsiders, you know, and that kind

01:41:10of a sentiment doesn't really go down well with the Maharashtra, Marathi voter, you know,

01:41:15because he or she is a very sentimental person.

01:41:17Yeah.

01:41:18And I just want to add even there, Swetha, that even when I traveled to Konkan region,

01:41:22I found this, that there is the sentiment that betrayal, that when we saw that people

01:41:28saying that Eknath Sindhe has actually betrayed and Ajit Pawar has betrayed Sharath Pawar.

01:41:33So do you think the sentiment and sympathy for this UBT Sena and in favor of Sharath

01:41:40Pawar, that actually walked on the ground?

01:41:42What do you think?

01:41:43How do you read it?

01:41:44That is definitely a major factor in this year's election because current trends, like

01:41:50the early trends from the ECI website, what we can see is the Maha Vikas Aghadi, that

01:41:58is the Sena-Thakre, NCP-Sharath Pawar and Congress coalition in Maharashtra is leading

01:42:06at on 29 seats.

01:42:08And if you remember, Satish, correctly, when we started the coverage in Maharashtra, I

01:42:16had said that Maharashtra would be a determining factor in this election because this is the

01:42:21second highest state, second highest numbers, yes, it's 48 numbers and BJP had a mission

01:42:29of winning 45 seats from Maharashtra.

01:42:33That is not what is looking, the early trend at least is showing that that may not happen.

01:42:41That is definitely as both of you have addressed the sympathy factor for the Thakres and Sharath

01:42:47Pawar.

01:42:48Sharath Pawar is the senior most leader in Maharashtra right now, he is almost 83.

01:42:53And Thakre, you know, he is currently the only politician carrying on the Thakre surname

01:43:02in the Maharashtra politics, of course, along with his son Aditya Thakre.

01:43:06But when the split happened, that definitely gave a big jolt to Maharashtra as such.

01:43:13Maharashtra is not new to split, Sena itself has seen a lot of major senior leaders in

01:43:19the 90s splitting the party and that has never affected Sena's hold on the ground.

01:43:27Many political observers have also pointed this out that Sena's core voter, which is

01:43:32the Marathi voter, looks at the emotional politics of Shiv Sena.

01:43:39And when the split happened, that definitely touched a deep chord within even the non-Sena

01:43:49voters, I think saw this for the first time, the way the Mahayati Agadi, which is led by

01:43:56Fadnavis and CM Eknath Shinde and was later joined by Ajit Pawar after he split from NCP,

01:44:05the way this entire government came into power with the horse trading, with a lot of ED raids,

01:44:14we saw the pressure coming on to the opposition, all of that has definitely had an influence

01:44:21in this election.

01:44:22Swetha, Maharashtra also goes to polls for the assembly soon, how much do you think these

01:44:29results are going to reflect in the assembly elections?

01:44:32So when I travelled on ground, people were saying this is currently just a curtain raiser

01:44:40or preparation for people in Maharashtra, the bigger test is the state assembly elections,

01:44:47that is when we'll come to know who will be the Chief Minister of Maharashtra and as you

01:44:51know since 2019, that post itself has been contested, first we had a very brief government

01:45:00of Fadnavis and Ajit Pawar for just 80 hours and then we had Uddhav Thackeray, so now I

01:45:07think that is something people are awaiting to see the results of that, but on a national

01:45:14level I just want to say that the key seats where we were looking to, that would determine

01:45:22who is the real NCP or who is the real Sena, we are seeing results in favour of the original

01:45:31parties.

01:45:32For example, I would just like to point out here, Baramati constituency where NCP leader

01:45:38Charan Pawar's daughter Supriya Sule is contesting for the third term, she is in the lead, she

01:45:43was against, her opponent was Ajit Pawar's wife, Sunetra Pawar, that was very much a

01:45:50fight within the family, but for also, for the rest of Maharashtra, we are eagerly awaiting

01:45:58the results.

01:45:59In Mumbai as well, we are seeing the Sena Thackeray retaining its hold on the key constituencies

01:46:06in the South, South Central and North West.

01:46:10Yes, so as you were saying that South Central and North West, so there was some confusion

01:46:14earlier regarding seat sharing between Congress and Uddhav Sena, so that was getting reflected,

01:46:19so do you think that actually the alliance worked on the ground the way it was expected

01:46:24or what is it all about, like if you can talk about that a bit.

01:46:27Absolutely, I think this is for the first time we are seeing a very coherent unity between

01:46:32the opposition in Maharashtra, the Congress has tied up with the regional parties, both

01:46:38NCP and Shiv Sena, that is not what happened during 2014 and 2019, if you remember, there

01:46:47was a BJP-Shiv Sena alliance, this is the first time that in Maharashtra, you are seeing

01:46:52Congress contesting in a free poll alliance with Shiv Sena and with NCP and that is something

01:47:00Maharashtra has never seen and we are seeing very positive results on that alliance.

01:47:05Yes, that is true, in fact the alliance seems to have worked in the two big states, Uttar

01:47:09Pradesh and Maharashtra, the first and second in terms of numbers, I think the opposition

01:47:14alliance definitely has worked in favour of the India bloc.

01:47:17I think we will leave it there right now, thank you very much Swetha for joining us,

01:47:20we will come back to you later.

01:47:23Thank you for watching.

02:18:05I am Rahat, welcome to Outlook, I am in conversation with Anil Thakur who has been to Meethi and

02:18:34Rai Bareilly, since Uttar Pradesh has been a very stronghold of BJP right there, so you

02:18:40have been to Amethi and Rai Bareilly, what was your experience there, how did you perceive

02:18:46people and environment over there?

02:18:49One of the most striking things about Amethi at least, where Smriti Rani punctured the

02:18:55Congress' seat at all for the first time in 2019 by defeating Rahul Gandhi, was this

02:19:00very evident, visceral, visible anger that was there among people, I mean I covered different

02:19:09Vidhan Sabha units and all of that so as to get like a broad sense of at least a data-wise,

02:19:14some level of granular analysis of what people were thinking and as I said, I mean there

02:19:18was widespread anger and a lot of these complaints were very overlapping, people spoke about

02:19:26that she had not even visited her village, not even once, and they complained, in fact

02:19:33in some cases railed against these very basic needs that a citizen needs, I mean…

02:19:38What were the main issues that you think were plaguing the citizens of Amethi and Rai Bareilly?

02:19:44So I mean, so essentially it was a battle I would like to say between two beasts or

02:19:51two forces, I mean if BJP had like, you know, welfare schemes and Ram Mandir on one hand,

02:19:57then the people were complaining, often complaining about stray animals and I mean

02:20:04pervasive unemployment, you know, and a lot of people who, and just to like come back to my

02:20:12earlier point, a lot of people would just start off with these basic complaints about like say,

02:20:18a side road not being repaired, like them drinking polluted water, broken taps,

02:20:22I mean things that are as basic that you would perhaps, I mean some of us city slickers won't

02:20:28even pause to think about them, right? So that was that, I mean there was massive

02:20:34discontent among people for paper leaks, several papers have been leaked in the recent past and

02:20:39all of that and that said though, I mean one could, and when I covered Smriti Irani's Nukkad

02:20:48Sabha, which is to say like these corners in which she would come and address the people of

02:20:52Amethi, her approach, I mean there is absolutely no other way to say this, was a bit feudalistic.

02:21:00She would talk about, she would essentially talk about two things, the welfare schemes that the

02:21:06BJP had doled out in terms of say, Kisan Samman Nidhi and Pradhan Mantri Awas Yojana or you know,

02:21:13just giving five kg grains and all of that and then she would very swiftly switch to Ram Mandir

02:21:19and demonise the Congress party. So, yeah. So in rivalry, like Congress has been the best

02:21:25bastion over there and did not lose the seat like unlike the Amethi, so what is your take,

02:21:30like it was the only seat that the Congress had back then? Yeah, I mean reporting in rivalry,

02:21:36I must say, was a very fascinating experience and this is something I noted in the piece as

02:21:40well and something I would like to repeat here. Congress party there, at least in my experience,

02:21:44among a vast majority of people almost had like, you know, the Shah Rukh Khan effect on people,

02:21:49like you would ask them that like, you know, so what has Congress party done for you and a lot

02:21:54of times they would not even answer, they would just pause and smile as if to say,

02:21:59what a thing to ask, you know and then they would of course, I mean they had proper concrete answer,

02:22:04talk about like ITI, AIIMS, Rail Coach Factory, XYZ, you know all these things that the Congress

02:22:09has set up there over the last several decades. One thing that was interesting to me in, for

02:22:16Rai Bareilly was and that is what I think, I will be personally interested in this, is that even if

02:22:23the Congress wins in Rai Bareilly, I would like to look between the numbers, which is to say that,

02:22:29from 2014 to 2019, the BJP increased its vote share from 21% to 38%, Congress has dipped from

02:22:3664% to 56%, so I mean sure, I mean results can be binary 1 and 0, but I will be interested to

02:22:42see if Congress has, sorry, if the BJP, even if it loses, does it increase its vote share there,

02:22:49because what I found in Rai Bareilly was, a lot of youngsters, they were very taken in by the whole,

02:22:56the Hindutva and the BJP charm there, so I think that would be quite interesting to see.

02:23:01Alright, so what's your concluding long take for the Rai Bareilly and MET visit?

02:23:06I mean, so when I first, when I came back from MET and Rai Bareilly, MET especially given that

02:23:13Smriti Irani had won last time by more than 55,000 votes, it actually gave me a much more

02:23:19complicated picture of the ground realities in UP given that of course, I mean these are just two

02:23:23seats and it's largely been a Congress bastion, but still, I mean, it kind of gave me at least

02:23:29some kind of understanding that like, you know, things are more complicated or can unfold in a

02:23:34much more complicated fashion electorally and which we are seeing right now, right,

02:23:38like from 62 seats to, although of course, it's, I mean the results are still not out and all of

02:23:43that, but you know, you can see that, I mean, the winds of change at least in UP is quite there and

02:23:50that's actually not contradictory to what I found in MET and Rai Bareilly.

02:23:53Alright, thank you for joining the Outlooks Live.

02:41:50Hi, I am Rani from Outlook India. Right now, I am speaking to Asghar Khan.

02:42:17He has travelled a lot to UP for this election and has done coverage from there.

02:42:23He is our senior correspondent.

02:42:25Thank you for joining us in this live today.

02:42:28So, Asghar ji, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:42:35So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:43:05So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:43:35So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:05So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:07So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:09So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:11So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:13So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:15So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:17So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:19So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:21So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:23So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:25So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:27So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:29So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:31So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:33So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:35So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:37So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:39So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:41So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:43So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:45So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:47So, in UP, what was the impact of Yogi ji in this election?

02:44:49So, in Gorakhpur, if you remember, in 2018,

02:44:51So, in Gorakhpur, if you remember, in 2018,

02:44:53when we saw the elections from 1990,

02:44:55when we saw the elections from 1990,

02:44:57the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:44:59the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:01the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:03the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:05the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:07the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:09the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:11the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:13the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:15the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:17the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:19the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:21the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:23the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:25the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:27the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:29the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:31the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:33the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:35the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:37the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:39the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:41the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:43the Mathadheesh who were fighting,

02:45:45That were all my questions.

02:45:47Thank you Asgharji for that insight.

02:45:49Thank you.

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03:22:40hello and welcome to Outlook live again. We have with us Shaina joining us from Thiruvananthapuram. Are you in Kochi right now, Shaina?

03:22:49Yeah, I'm in Kochi.

03:22:51Kochi, sorry. Can you hear me?

03:22:53Yeah.

03:22:54So it looks like...

03:22:55Yeah, yeah, I can.

03:22:56From now, I mean it's still early days, but it looks like it may be the first seat for the BJP in Kerala.

03:23:04Suresh Gopi is I think reading quite handsomely from Trishul.

03:23:09True.

03:23:10So this could be the first seat for the BJP in Kerala.

03:23:14Yeah, of course. This is the first seat for the BJP in Kerala.

03:23:17And one thing that I wanted to mention, this victory of Suresh Gopi is not a surprise to the journalists who were in the field right from the beginning of the campaign.

03:23:29For example, when I was traveling in Trishul, one thing which I found that Suresh Gopi contested in 2019 and he lost, but he didn't leave Trishul.

03:23:40He was very much there in Trishul since 2019 and he was working with the people and he was doing a lot of things there.

03:23:49I mean, there are contentions like whether he was doing charity, this thing, whether it is the actual politics, but they are all debatable things.

03:23:58So at least he was there. He was there in the constituency.

03:24:01And one thing which I watched, even before the candidacy of the BS Sunil Kumar of LDF and the Murali Dheran of UDF was announced, even six to seven months before that, Suresh Gopi had started, actively started campaigning.

03:24:19And I found that, in fact, BJP actually deployed a lot of youth in the field and they were even trying to bring the people working in other countries, like the expats, to come on the day of polling and to cast their vote.

03:24:37So BJP had done a very commendable work to gather all their votes possible.

03:24:44And when we analyze the ongoing trend, one thing we have to understand that Murali Dheran of UDF, of Congress, the son of a late Congress leader K. Karunagaran, he is trailing behind in the third place.

03:24:59And we have to understand from the first trend, in the early trends, we have to understand that there is a huge erosion of Congress votes, which went to the BJP, went to Suresh Gopi.

03:25:12Yeah, that is the one constituency of Trishul. The other, you know, the one which is going up and down is Shashi Tharoor's. That is a bit surprising.

03:25:19Or is it not for you from the ground when you saw in Thiruvananthapuram?

03:25:24Yeah, even that is not very surprising to me. As we have reported a couple of times in Outlook, there was a very strong anti-incumbency factor against Shashi Tharoor.

03:25:35Shashi Tharoor was an MP for three terms there and there were complaints from the side of the people that Shashi Tharoor was not accessible to people.

03:25:45He was not even available over phone. I mean, like, personally speaking, even for journalists, he was not that available.

03:25:52Like, I mean, a parliament member in Kerala, generally he is there among the people and everybody can make a call to an MP or an MLA.

03:26:02But, you know, I know that he used to go there very often. I mean, he did spend a lot of time in the constituency.

03:26:07See, apart from this, you know, the question is BJP has been trying so hard, you know, for so long to make inroads through the RSS shakas, you know, through various other means.

03:26:17So, here right now, in this election, it seems like finally there are some results of that.

03:26:22So, apart from these individual constituencies, you know, like Trishul and Thiruvananthapuram, you have travelled, you know, a lot more in Kerala, in other areas.

03:26:31In fact, the story that you read about how, you know, the RSS has made inroads in so many remote areas and tribal regions.

03:26:38Do you want to talk a little bit about that in the last, you know, couple of decades, couple of the last decade particularly?

03:26:46Yeah, yeah, of course. This is actually, this is a gradual, gradual thing for BJP.

03:26:52They gradually won because in the last election, for example, in 2019, if we look at assembly wise data,

03:27:00we can see that at least in seven constituencies, BJP came in the second place.

03:27:05So, this is a gradual growth for BJP.

03:27:08So, this time actually they were focusing, they were focusing on five constituencies,

03:27:13but towards the final phase of the campaign, they were actually focusing on these two constituencies, Thiruvananthapuram and Trishul.

03:27:21Right.

03:27:22So, there was, yeah, there was a gut feeling for everybody that these two constituencies, BJP would be able to make it this time.

03:27:29The other story, I mean, apart from BJP doing well in these two constituencies, the other story is Congress.

03:27:34Where does Congress go from here? What is, you know, because Kerala has also had this fluctuating Congress left government coming and going.

03:27:44But the Congress performance, I mean, what do you make of that?

03:27:48See, Satish, even though Kerala is a state that supports UDF and LDF for every alternate five years,

03:27:56historically speaking, Kerala is a state that supports Congress for every Parliament election.

03:28:02When it comes to the case of a Parliament election, the voters of Kerala go for Congress in general because it is like to defeat BJP, they vote for Congress.

03:28:12Right.

03:28:13Maybe for the next Assembly election, they might be voting for LDF.

03:28:17You think so, okay.

03:28:18Yeah, yeah. So, not next time. I am generally saying that it is not like…

03:28:23It is a possibility.

03:28:25Yeah, yeah. So, for the people, this is highly political vote in Kerala. People do vote for Congress to get a change in the centre.

03:28:34The same has happened in 2019 and there was this Rahul Gandhi factor.

03:28:39And also, even though Congress, Congress is very lucky in Kerala because as an opposition party, actually Congress was not doing anything.

03:28:48As a person reporting from Kerala, I can say that.

03:28:50Okay.

03:28:51But even though they don't do anything, there are certain seats which are very, very strong base of Congress.

03:28:57Yeah.

03:28:58Like, yeah, like Wayanad, for example.

03:29:00Yeah, yeah.

03:29:01Of course, like, yeah, like Wayanad, for example, Ernagulam and all the seats of Muslim League, IUML.

03:29:08The IUML leaders, it doesn't matter whether they come to the constituency or not.

03:29:12Okay.

03:29:13But it is a very strong base.

03:29:15Okay.

03:29:16So, the big story right now in Kerala, from Kerala is that BJP may get its first seat from the state.

03:29:22Who knows, maybe even two if Shashi Tharoor trails even more.

03:29:27So, that's the story right now from Kerala.

03:29:29Yeah, yeah.

03:29:30There is one more story, Satish.

03:29:32I think the left should take a cue from this because when I was travelling, I could feel that there was an anti-incumbency factor.

03:29:41Anti-incumbency, even not against the government in general, but it was an anti-incumbency against the Chief Minister, Pindarai Vijay.

03:29:50So, there was a strong anti-Pindarai Vijay feeling which we could feel in the field, which I think now it is true.

03:29:59So, when the assembly elections happens, they have to be even more careful about this.

03:30:06Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:30:08The left has to take a cue from us.

03:30:10That's what I think.

03:30:11Okay.

03:30:12Thank you very much, Shaina.

03:30:13Thank you.

03:30:14Maybe later in the day, we'll come back to you again.

03:30:15Thank you for this update.

03:30:16Yeah.

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03:48:11And right now, we are in a makeshift Outlook newsroom.

03:48:16And I am here with the creative head of Outlook, Romana Manpreet,

03:48:20and also Vikram, who is a photographer.

03:48:23They both have traveled extensively during this election season.

03:48:28So I wanted to ask them how it is to visually represent elections,

03:48:34to experience it from experiencing it live on the field,

03:48:39and then transforming it into pictures and videos for our print

03:48:44and as well as our online platform.

03:48:47So what was the experience like?

03:48:50Oh, it's fantastic.

03:48:51It's like a festival, you know, the biggest democracy in the world.

03:48:55And being out there in the field, we get to experience it firsthand,

03:48:58the color, the excitement, the energy, the music.

03:49:01So traditionally we are photographers, but we also do video now.

03:49:05So that's opened up a whole new perspective to it.

03:49:08Because Indian elections are very audible, you know,

03:49:11and now all these parties have songs.

03:49:14So you go to a different state, there will be a regional song in their language,

03:49:19preaching to them.

03:49:20And the music is pretty exciting.

03:49:24So I mean, it's like a huge party.

03:49:27And every place you go to, the party changes, the people changes,

03:49:30the flavors change.

03:49:31So fantastic.

03:49:32Couldn't be better.

03:49:34And Romana, you traveled to Coimbatore and Tamil Nadu.

03:49:38And of course, you went to big rallies there and the DMK rally

03:49:43and their song, you know, was a major part of the rallies.

03:49:47How was it to, you know, experience it firsthand?

03:49:50And also, like, what went behind you, you know, like creating videos,

03:49:54what were your thought process and stuff?

03:49:57First, we had a very interesting experience

03:50:01is that the person who was helping us there in Tamil Nadu,

03:50:06she said that we are going to a meeting.

03:50:10And me and Chinky, we were ready for a meeting.

03:50:13And then we were taking like some kilometers outside Coimbatore

03:50:16and we suddenly realized it's a rally.

03:50:18So in Tamil Nadu, they call rally a meeting.

03:50:21So we didn't take our cameras, nothing.

03:50:24So we were there and now we don't know what to do.

03:50:26So we basically, then we had to improvise and photo,

03:50:29like shoot on phone and whatever, however we could manage.

03:50:33But it's a great atmosphere.

03:50:35And I think more importantly, you know, how Outlook looks at news

03:50:41is slightly more different than regular news organizations.

03:50:46We are more in depth.

03:50:48And also, we look at like different point of views

03:50:52and we are not antennas, we are not running a column,

03:50:55we are not giving gyan to people.

03:50:59We are just reporting and we are like,

03:51:01what Chinky keeps saying in our office is, show, don't tell.

03:51:07So I think that makes it more challenging in some ways to photograph

03:51:14because stories can be little, not easy to illustrate.

03:51:19So that's why we use a lot of artworks and illustrations also.

03:51:23So it brings its own challenge.

03:51:25And also with video, there's another different challenge.

03:51:28But all it all becomes also a lot of work,

03:51:31but it also makes it very interesting.

03:51:34And like as Vikram mentioned, with music from different places

03:51:40and suddenly realize that these are really well done songs

03:51:45and how everything is done to catering to the audience basically.

03:51:56Okay, I have one last question.

03:51:58So right now we live in the era of social media

03:52:02and everyone has their personal phones

03:52:04and everyone claims to do photography and things like that.

03:52:07How does it feel to differentiate and also work in print?

03:52:14So I've always held this view that India is a very visual country.

03:52:20But we are not, I'm sorry, I might get a lot of flak for it,

03:52:27but we are not very visual literate people.

03:52:31So people take a lot of pictures,

03:52:33but the value of images is not seen in the same relationship.

03:52:40So it's like, but it's a different outlook

03:52:42because Chinki herself is a very visual person.

03:52:45So there you get a lot of prominence,

03:52:48a lot of effort is made to and time is spent on the right kind of imagery,

03:52:54right kind of visuals.

03:52:56So that actually again creates its own challenges

03:52:59and also that's how any photographer would want to be seen in a place like that.

03:53:04Makes sense.

03:53:05And one last question, I know I already said,

03:53:08but what would be like a good shot for you?

03:53:11Like how would you define a good shot?

03:53:15I think there's no particular, like it has to connect,

03:53:19like when you look at any photograph,

03:53:22you need to feel something,

03:53:25it needs to communicate something to you.

03:53:28Or not just communication, but it's more like a feeling thing.

03:53:31I think that is the more telling thing than anything.

03:53:35I mean, there are probably billions of photographs shot every day,

03:53:39but there's still like, when you see a good photograph, it's a good photograph.

03:53:44Yeah.

03:53:45Vikram, would you like to add anything?

03:53:47I agree. I mean, it's totally that.

03:53:49You have one frame to tell a whole story.

03:53:51Video, you have a hundred frames a minute.

03:53:54There's a lot more scope.

03:53:56But for an image, also coming back to social media,

03:54:00the visual medium is everywhere now.

03:54:03So it's more of a challenge for us as professional photographers

03:54:06to find that one frame that tells a story.

03:54:08Makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

03:54:10Thank you so much.

03:54:11So we were with Romana Manpreet and Vikram.

03:54:14Thank you so much for coming live with us.

03:54:17And stay tuned for more.

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