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00:00 All right. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Patriots First and Goal.
00:04 I am Alex Shane, breaking down the 2024 NFL draft with my good buddy Rich Hill.
00:09 The month of May has officially arrived because that's a name we're going to be hearing a lot around these parts of New England.
00:16 Happy May Day to you.
00:17 Oh, yeah. Happy May 1.
00:19 You know, that was the jersey that he held up.
00:22 Alex, it feels weird.
00:23 It feels weird coming out of this draft with both a lot of hope, which is not like a foreign feeling,
00:29 but, you know, a lot of hope coming out of it.
00:31 But also, of all of their picks, only one player was on defense.
00:35 It felt very strange to see how much they invested on the offensive side of the ball.
00:40 But honestly, I'm just excited to break down the draft with you.
00:43 Yeah. I mean, another thing that felt strange was that the Patriots picked somebody.
00:47 Everyone had them picking, and there were no second round cornerbacks taken after they traded down.
00:53 And it was kind of a conventional draft in a lot of ways.
00:58 I'm excited to break it down with you, too, man.
00:59 Again, draft is not--I know draft's your favorite part of the offseason.
01:03 I'm not a massive college football guru.
01:06 I don't have the depth of knowledge on the talent that other guys have, but it's always fun to do my research ahead of time, see who they select.
01:13 And overall, it's been a pretty fun draft for us.
01:15 So let's get into it.
01:16 There's no reason to waste any time.
01:17 First down, first overall pick.
01:20 As expected, the Patriots select Drake May, number three overall.
01:24 He is the guy.
01:25 Maybe he's not the starter week one, but obviously all intents are for him to be the guy going forward.
01:31 I know we talked about it in our pre-draft preview.
01:34 You said you'd be happy with it.
01:36 I'm happy with it.
01:37 I did want them to trade down and take a tackle, but now that May's the guy, I'm all in on him.
01:41 How do you feel about it?
01:43 Honestly, I'm thrilled.
01:44 It's one of those situations where if they had to choose a quarterback in this draft, I'm glad it was May.
01:49 I'm glad it was May because he fits the profile of the highest upside type of players coming out of the draft.
01:57 He's one of the younger prospects, so it's not like they took a 24-year-old and you look at the Jane Daniels or the Michael Penix's.
02:03 So they got someone who has a lot of upside that by the later parts of his rookie contract, he'll be the same age as some of his draft classmates.
02:10 So he has a lot of upside because he's also been producing at the highest level.
02:14 He has the highest quarterback grade out of pro football focus over the past two years combined.
02:19 So he's been performing extraordinarily well at a very young age.
02:23 He has the highest big-time throw rate according to pro football focus, so he has a big arm down the field.
02:28 He has the highest average depth of target.
02:30 He was not surrounded by a lot of good talent, which is just, to me, one of the biggest differences between what we're getting with Drake May and what we got out of Mack Jones.
02:39 Where I thought Mack Jones was a fairly good prospect, but looking in retrospect, how much of that was Devontae Smith?
02:45 How much of that was Jalen Waddell? How much of that was the other wide receivers that went in the first round that he was surrounded by?
02:51 And you look at Drake May, he carried that team.
02:54 He was the entire team. He made them a contender for the, you know, within the conference, maybe not overall, but he was the reason why that team was competitive.
03:02 And honestly, when you look at the profile of quarterbacks that excel, that become the guy in the NFL, it's the ones that have been the ones that have carried their teams.
03:14 It's not the ones that produced because they were surrounded by the top-tier talent.
03:18 So I'm excited about what the future holds for him.
03:20 Do you buy, Rich, do you buy the Josh Allen comparisons that are being thrown around right now, think he's the most comparable quarterback in the NFL right now to Drake May?
03:29 Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a hard one. I get it.
03:32 You know, you, you have someone who maybe doesn't have the most polished footwork that, you know, similar to Josh Allen was the entire team.
03:38 He's a very run heavy quarterback.
03:40 You know, you look at his scramble rates, that's an area that he probably wants to bring it down relative to some of the other quarterbacks in this class.
03:46 Like May is the first to go. He faced a lot of pressure because again, his UNC team was not very good.
03:52 And so he scrambled a lot. He faced a lot of pressure.
03:55 And so I get the understanding, you know, he's, you know, six foot four, whatever, how much he actually weighs.
04:01 Like he's not as big as Josh Allen, cause I think Josh Allen has like 20 pounds on him or something like that.
04:06 But I understand the comparisons.
04:08 I think that when you look at the quarterbacks that they're going to have him look at, you know, obviously they want to be an Aaron Rodgers type.
04:14 That's what Alex Van Pelt went and brought the playbook to Drake May as they were having their meeting was like breaking down the Green Bay playbook.
04:20 And so they're going to want him to be a pass first player.
04:22 I think that they're going to only want him to have that scrambling ability, you know, thinking more on like the Alex Smith type.
04:29 The quarterbacks that can run, if you give them the opportunity to, that can like extend drives on third down and the most pain in the behind way that we've seen against the Patriots over the years.
04:39 But I don't think that they're going to want him to be out there like Josh Allen, like the Cam Newtons of the world where they just carry the entire game with their legs.
04:47 I mean, it's going to be cool to at least a quarterback that can carry the game with their legs.
04:52 I mean, the scrambling quarterback is not something the Patriots have had ever.
04:56 I mean, looking back to last offseason, how excited we are for Malik Cunningham to have a good preseason.
05:02 Excuse me, it's going to be cool to have a quarterback that's big.
05:05 He's rangy. He's mobile.
05:07 He can make guys miss.
05:08 Obviously, he's a pass first quarterback, but it's always good to have a guy that can extend the plays like that.
05:13 I feel like the deep ball is going to be a big part of the Patriots offense based on some of the draft picks they made, some of the way they built the roster so far.
05:21 And Drake May was hands down, no matter what you say about the rest of the prospects, he was the best deep ball quarterback in this draft class.
05:27 So it should be a lot of fun to see that for sure.
05:30 I know we talked about it a bit in our last podcast, Rich, but now that it's officially he's a Patriot, I know you want to see a quarterback battle, a camp battle, Breset versus May.
05:38 But if you had to guess at this very early stage, who gets to start week one?
05:42 It's a tough one.
05:43 I think Breset's going to make him earn it.
05:46 I think that it's going to be an area where I wouldn't be surprised if May is the guy at the end of the day.
05:53 That makes sense, honestly.
05:55 I wouldn't be surprised by it.
05:56 But when you look at how ready is Drake May going to be, how much are the Patriots going to say, "If it's even, let's go with Drake May."
06:05 I'm not sure.
06:06 I'm not sure what this team's philosophy is going to be as it relates to that.
06:10 I wouldn't be surprised if they were relatively even, as we saw in the preseason.
06:15 I wouldn't be surprised if it was Breset in week one, but I wouldn't also be surprised if May was the quarterback by the middle of the year, by the end of the year.
06:24 Yeah, I mean, given all the quarterbacks taken in the first round, it could be like a third of the league is rookie quarterback starting, depending on how the rest of this offseason goes.
06:31 To the dinner and show, before we move to second down in the rest of the draft, are you pleased, upset, shocked overall by how the first round went?
06:39 I think the Michael Pennix pick was a shocker to everybody.
06:41 No one saw Atlanta taking him in eight overall with the Kirk Cousins contract.
06:45 But overall, do you feel like the draft kind of unfolded as you expected around the league?
06:48 I mean, definitely.
06:50 It's one of those areas where you have your consensus big board, which is looking at all of the average, how are all these players rated across the board.
06:59 And pretty much every single player other than Ricky Purcell out of Florida by the 49ers was one of those top 40 players.
07:06 And then you have the Pennix pick.
07:08 And like, there were definitely some surprises, but come the end of the draft or after the first day, I think most of the picks were relatively considered in the first round.
07:19 I don't think anyone would be like, I can't believe that Cole Strange was taken in the first round.
07:24 There wasn't an equivalent of that this year.
07:26 No, there wasn't.
07:27 Again, people are really shocked about the Pennix pick.
07:30 I think it's not a horrible pick.
07:31 You know, I mean, Kirk Cousins is not going to be the guy for you.
07:34 Obviously, you want to groom a talent, and I've always been on record saying you want to let a quarterback sit for a while.
07:39 I think Drake may be great on the bench for a while.
07:41 We'll see what happens.
07:42 But this could be one of those defining off seasons, the way that 2004 was with the Phillip Rivers, kind of Eli Manning quarterback class.
07:50 And so I'll be very curious to look back on these guys in a couple of years and see how this all shook out and who got the steal and who got the busts.
07:58 Hopefully they'll have a great career, but it was a really fun first round for sure.
08:01 Honestly, a really fun draft for the Patriots.
08:03 Let's go to second and goal.
08:06 The day two picks, rounds two and beyond.
08:09 This is probably where a lot of the debate happened.
08:11 A lot of folks had the Patriots moving up, moving down, going receiver.
08:14 They went offense with their second round pick.
08:17 They selected a receiver out of Washington, Jalen Polk.
08:21 How do you feel about that pick, Rich?
08:23 I like it.
08:24 Honestly, it's an area where they wanted him.
08:27 They're very clear.
08:28 They brought in a former University of Washington coach to be on the roster.
08:33 Obviously, they've been planning for this.
08:35 They know what they wanted.
08:36 They had the inside intel.
08:38 He's going to be matching with Tyler Hughes, former college coach.
08:43 They knew what they were doing.
08:45 They wanted to trade back up into the first round with the Bills.
08:48 The Bills decided not to.
08:49 I wouldn't be surprised if they considered Xavier Leguette or something like that.
08:54 You look at the profile of not just Jalen Polk, but also Javon Baker,
08:58 who they took later on in the fourth round.
09:00 It's very clear that they're trying to build this offense that both,
09:04 to speak to what Elliott Wolfe said around they want to weaponize this offense,
09:07 they want to get players that the opposing defenses have to be focused on
09:11 and concerned about.
09:12 Then they also took players that matched Drake May's skill set.
09:16 To me, that's the biggest departure from what we saw with the Mack Jones
09:20 tenure is where his biggest trait, if he were to have a super trait
09:25 for coming out of draft was his touch passes in the intermediate space.
09:29 They just never let him do it.
09:30 Obviously, they didn't have the offensive line,
09:32 but they were having him check down or then throw 60 yards down the field
09:35 to Devontae Parker.
09:36 They just were not letting him do those touch passes,
09:39 get into a rhythm where he was really able to thrive at Alabama.
09:42 What they've done here is that, again, looking at the pro football focus
09:45 numbers, the top two receivers in college football from their grading
09:50 perspective on deep passes, Jalen Polk and Javon Baker,
09:54 they got the two best deep ball receivers in the entire draft.
09:58 You think of how are the other receivers that have gone to the Green Bay Packers
10:03 in the past, because that's obviously where Elliott Wolfe has a lot of his
10:06 influence from.
10:07 I see a lot of the Romeo Dobbs type here, so a player that maybe might be
10:11 like a 600, 700 yard receiver as a rookie, you can continue to develop.
10:15 You look at Devontae Adams.
10:18 I think these are the players that they see the profile of having a special
10:23 trait, and maybe it takes a year or two for them to build into it,
10:27 but I get the vision.
10:28 They're players that complement each other, that complement Drake May,
10:31 that complement the offense, that fit a role that they don't necessarily have
10:35 a veteran in front of them for.
10:37 And I think, honestly, they're going to be some of the most productive rookie
10:41 receivers we've seen in a while.
10:43 So, Rich, you would say that both Polk and Baker end up starting
10:49 and seeing significant time in 2024?
10:51 I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.
10:52 I mean, like you look at the other receivers, I think the two of them plus
10:55 Demario Douglas are your starting three in 2025.
10:58 Like, I think that they are very clearly the fit for that.
11:01 You have Baker on the outside, you have Polk being the Z,
11:04 and you have Pop Douglas in the slot.
11:06 I think you have some of the other players around, like Kendrick Bourne,
11:09 obviously coming back from an injury.
11:10 Who knows how he's going to be?
11:12 Love having him around, loving having him as a depth option.
11:15 Same with KJ Osborne.
11:17 They're the players that are going to be that, like, flex receiver.
11:20 But I think that there's not a world, really, where Taequann Thornton
11:24 fends them off.
11:25 He has done nothing to this point.
11:27 Juju Smith-Schuster might have some sort of a lane just due to his contract
11:30 and because they might want to just see if he can recover anything.
11:33 But in reality, I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the year,
11:36 if not, you know, looking to 2025, that the three players that I mentioned,
11:41 the Baker, Douglas, and Polk, are your starting three
11:45 and are doing very well.
11:47 Yeah, this really could signal the end for Taequann Thornton.
11:49 I think he really is the odd man out at this point,
11:51 going two receivers in the second and fourth round,
11:54 especially the big-bodied kind of edge receivers that can feed off
11:57 a deep ball.
11:58 I just don't know where Thornton fits in this offense right now,
12:00 if they're going to go kind of more based on the big play.
12:02 I just don't know if his skill set, his speed aside,
12:05 I can probably count on one hand the number of deep balls he received in 2023.
12:10 So I don't really know where he fits in.
12:12 Too bad, but what can you do?
12:14 But again, I think it's good that they went offense so heavy.
12:16 I was a little curious to see that they waited all the way until round three
12:21 to address the tackle position, the offensive line position,
12:24 going with Caden Wallace out of Penn State.
12:26 There were other tackles available in the second round and higher.
12:29 They obviously believed in the line they have now
12:32 and wanted to go receiver instead.
12:34 I'm not exactly sure what they're going to do with Wallace.
12:36 He's played on the line.
12:37 He's really more of a right tackle than a left tackle.
12:39 Maybe they move on Wenu to left tackle,
12:42 but the offensive line is a question mark right now.
12:43 But Caden Wallace is probably slated to be a starter, as of right now at least.
12:47 Yeah, honestly, I think they're planning on having him compete with the core four
12:51 at the left tackle spot.
12:53 You come out of that draft, and Wolf is like,
12:56 "I think he can play on the left side."
12:57 The only reason he wasn't playing on the left side for Penn State
13:00 is that they had a top ten pick playing on the left side.
13:03 That's the only reason.
13:04 Which to me, I'm like, "That could be kind of fair,
13:07 but also maybe you go with someone else."
13:10 If you're looking for a left tackle,
13:11 maybe you go with someone who has played left tackle.
13:14 If there's one pick that I scratch my head at, it is the Wallace one.
13:18 That's not to say it's a bad pick.
13:20 That's not to say that he can't do it
13:21 because he is one of the more athletic tackles in the draft.
13:24 It is reasonable to say that he was blocked by a better offensive lineman.
13:29 They're not getting a top ten offensive tackle here.
13:33 But can he be competitive on that side?
13:35 It looks like he tested well during some of the bowl games
13:38 where he was working with some of the NFL coaches,
13:41 that he was able to play a little bit on the left tackle spot,
13:43 and he seemed to do okay on that end.
13:45 I don't know if they're necessarily going to move Unwenu over to that end.
13:49 I'm not sure.
13:50 But it was very curious to me that they didn't choose an offensive lineman
13:53 that has any experience on the left-hand side of the line.
13:56 And then, in particular, it feels like if there was the biggest reach of the draft
14:02 for the Patriots, and honestly, might even OB overall, it was Wallace.
14:07 You look at where he was expected to go, he was expected to be a sixth pick.
14:11 The Patriots took him in the third round.
14:12 You look at all of the different metrics,
14:14 there's only one other player that's not a quarterback
14:16 that could be considered as much of a reach,
14:18 and it was this guy that the Lions took that played in Canada.
14:21 And so I feel like his metrics were a little bit more off.
14:24 It was Giovanni Manu, from Tonga, played in the Canadian football circuit
14:31 and was a fifth-round pick or a fourth-round pick
14:33 in the Canadian Football League.
14:35 And so Lions took him in the fourth round.
14:38 I get that one.
14:39 But with Wallace, very easily could be the player that we look back on
14:44 in three years from now, similar with Cole Strange,
14:47 similar with Tyquan Thornton, where you're like,
14:49 "Why did they think they were smarter than everyone else here?"
14:52 Because this person has maybe the athletic profile of a starter
14:56 but doesn't have the experience for it.
14:58 Well, Rich Hill, it wouldn't be a Patriots draft
15:01 without at least one head-scratching reach pick.
15:03 And at least this time they went at a position of need
15:06 as opposed to another cornerback.
15:07 So I guess we will take it.
15:09 Again, the big concern for me, I think he's got the pieces.
15:11 He's a talented guy.
15:12 I am a little worried about him being the starting left tackle week one.
15:16 If Drake Mays is starting quarterback week one,
15:19 I just don't know if rookie QB/rookie left tackle is a good combination
15:23 in the NFL.
15:24 It's a pretty massive jump to make, particularly if they have a lot
15:27 of question marks at receiver.
15:28 There's a lot of rookies in there.
15:30 Obviously they're not going anywhere this year.
15:32 I'm all for rolling the ropes and kind of taking your lumps
15:35 as you get used to the offense.
15:36 But I just worry that Drake Mays is going to get smoked
15:40 on that left side early, and that could rattle his confidence.
15:43 But there's plenty of offensive linemen on the roster right now, Rachel.
15:46 They went pretty deep in the offensive line,
15:48 elsewhere in the draft and on draft-free agents.
15:51 Any other day two picks you want to talk about,
15:53 or is that pretty much all of them?
15:55 Honestly, that's it for the Patriots on that end.
15:57 I think it was a good draft.
15:59 There's a few players that draft fell a little bit more than expected.
16:03 Cooper Dejean went to the Eagles at 40th overall.
16:06 He was supposed to be a top 20 pick, so very curious to see why that happened.
16:11 Obviously the Eagles just cleaned up on players that dropped.
16:15 Quinon Mitchell out of Toledo, best cornerback in the draft.
16:19 They got him at 22nd overall, so they got the top two cornerback prospects
16:22 without really having to do much work.
16:25 So interesting to see how that works.
16:28 And then I think the other areas are like,
16:30 will the Patriots have some regret for not trading up
16:34 to try and get a higher offensive tackle prospect?
16:37 Because there was that run at the end of the second round.
16:40 Patrick Paul went to the Dolphins at 55th overall.
16:43 Blake Fisher went to the Texans at 59th.
16:45 Rosengarden went to the Ravens at 62.
16:48 So Mattia went to the Chiefs at 63.
16:50 And then Coleman went to the Commanders at 67 at the top of the third,
16:54 right before the Patriots picked.
16:55 And so they kind of had to.
16:57 If they didn't take him there, he might not last until later rounds.
17:00 I kind of understand that point of the draft board kind of forced their hands.
17:04 There had been like 11 tackles already picked at that point.
17:07 So they couldn't really stay and wait around.
17:10 But it will be interesting to see kind of similar to that
17:13 Taequann Thornton draft of like, you know,
17:15 or even like the Nikhil Harry draft of when you have that very immediate
17:19 comparison point of a bunch of other prospects taken at nearly the exact same
17:23 spot of the draft, there's going to be inevitable comparisons.
17:26 And I will be curious to see which of the tackles kind of come out on top.
17:30 Yeah, because interior line as well, which kind of came in the later rounds.
17:34 We will get to that on third and goal right after this.
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18:52 All right, Rich Hill.
18:55 We're on day three of the draft the ladder rounds the kind of the flyer picks the
19:00 ones where you can really grab somebody who you never know.
19:04 The Patriots drafted Marcellus dial out of South Carolina in round six.
19:07 They know fifth round pick this year.
19:09 They drafted Joe Milton out of Tennessee at number 193.
19:12 They took to him Bell at number 231 out of Florida State their tight end.
19:17 What do you think about the back end of the draft and these guys super exciting
19:20 to you other than the fact that Joe Milton can throw the ball like 8000 yards.
19:25 Well, honestly, I mean, I think that their fourth round was pretty good.
19:28 So they got Leighton Robinson at 103 overall and Javon Baker as I mentioned
19:32 earlier at a UCF at 110 overall Baker was the darling of a lot of the stat heads
19:37 going into the draft like he fits the profile of someone who could just be a
19:41 stud coming out similar to DeMario Douglas, you know, like he was the player
19:46 that really was the Patriots top receiver last year and Baker all the same people
19:50 that were talking about Pop Douglas are talking about Javon Baker.
19:53 So I think that he's going to be a very strong starter for the Patriots.
19:58 Honestly, if I had to say like who has the best path to being a starter,
20:02 it would be Baker.
20:03 There's no one that has his profile on the roster like very clearly.
20:06 He's the player that they wish Devante Parker was he's that X on the outside.
20:11 Everyone else is kind of more of a Z, you know, Polk is more of a Z.
20:15 You look at born Osborne, like those are players that go inside outside the player
20:19 with the most direct line to being a contributor and also just a big deep
20:24 threat is Baker.
20:26 So I'm very excited about what he can do.
20:28 And but I think for me, I'm also curious about the Robinson pick.
20:32 That's a very high boom bust pick Patriots.
20:35 Clearly they you know, they've invested like six top five picks in their
20:39 offensive interior over the past three drafts.
20:42 So like they're trying they are trying to address their interior line.
20:46 But right now you kind of have a glut of players, you know, you look at,
20:50 you know, obviously David Andrews is in trench at center, but they used a fourth
20:54 on Jake Andrews last year.
20:56 They used a fifth on Maffie last year.
20:58 They used a fourth on so last year.
21:01 And so then you add in, you know, Layton Robinson, who's a right guard.
21:05 He is truly a right guard.
21:06 You have Cole strange who is a left guard.
21:09 Like you have these players that they've invested their picks in.
21:13 I'm interested to see who kind of comes out on top because in my head,
21:17 if I'm looking at like which of these young players not including David
21:20 Andrews has performed the best for the Patriots or has the most upside,
21:25 it would be so like he was there at right guard really came on strong in
21:29 second half of the year.
21:30 So my head I'm like, why are they drafting another right guard?
21:33 If they already have someone who has been like the best of their young
21:36 players is already a right guard.
21:38 So I'm interested to see where they all fit in Robinson was a player that
21:43 had like in like potentially a third round grade,
21:46 but also started to drop a little bit during the Bulls games with the
21:49 coaching in the NFL because they started to not perform as well as they had
21:54 expected.
21:55 So it could be one like with the right coaching.
21:57 You could have a very strong starter with Robinson,
22:00 but also like where does the where the Patriots fall as they shift to more of
22:04 a zone style offensive line as opposed to what they've historically had
22:07 under Skarnik.
22:08 Yeah, I'm interested to see if they're they're just like going to throw out a
22:11 lot of the interior players that they've had.
22:13 Yeah, and it's funny.
22:15 I mean, I don't think anybody's ever like man.
22:17 I cannot wait to see the training camp battle of the offensive line.
22:21 But as of right now,
22:23 it's probably the most exciting kind of camp storyline who's going to be
22:26 starting on how they're going to rotate those guys around.
22:28 I think, you know,
22:29 Andrews is pretty set on when it was pretty set.
22:31 I guess I'll call strange is there for now,
22:34 but if he got usurped,
22:35 would I be shocked?
22:36 No, I wouldn't.
22:37 I think there are only two bona fide locks to start on that line.
22:41 Andrews in and when anyone any it's anyone's game after that city south came
22:45 on really strong after that.
22:46 My office shined at times and we got some rookies.
22:48 So I'll be very curious to see how that happens,
22:50 particularly given the fact that remandry Stevenson is now the guys he killed.
22:54 He's now a cowboy.
22:55 They didn't draft the running back.
22:57 I thought they might take like a fifth round running back and see if they can.
23:00 So I'll be very curious to see how the run game is going to factor in here.
23:04 Obviously the roster is still being being being rounded out and there's more a lot
23:08 more to do between now and then.
23:09 But as of right now,
23:10 it seems like that's really where they're going to be focusing their efforts on
23:13 how to really figure out how to best put the five best guys out there that can
23:16 not only protect Drake made you call me percent whoever but allow the run game
23:20 to do what it does and with the guys they have right now.
23:23 Obviously,
23:24 let's talk about him rich because I know it's not it's not a kind of lock in
23:28 any stretch of the imagination,
23:30 but probably the most fun pick in the draft was pick number 193 Joe Milton.
23:35 The guy's gotten an absurd and if you've ever seen Joe Milton throw just like
23:40 Google Joe Milton throw.
23:42 He's I think he had like an 88 yard bomb at one point just like a ridiculous
23:47 bazooka for an arm.
23:49 Besides that he's a project what I do like about him though.
23:53 I guess if you had to kind of pick a backup quarterback to Drake may
23:56 at least mirror some of the characteristics who can run the offense the way
24:00 Drake may probably will.
24:02 I think he's got value there so I would not be surprised if he makes the team
24:05 honestly.
24:06 Yeah,
24:06 I mean they went and said we're going to get the two quarterbacks with the
24:09 biggest arms in the entire draft and they went and did it and obviously like
24:13 may is a better prospect Milton was available that late for a reason.
24:18 He has shown flashes at times but also like he hasn't been able to win a
24:24 starting job until this past year.
24:26 So like he's just pure potential on this part and then like all of the
24:30 quarterbacks that ended up beating him out.
24:32 None of them are really that great.
24:34 You know a lot of them are third or you know fourth round picks kind of a
24:38 thing.
24:39 You know I think it was like Hendon hooker beat him out at Tennessee over
24:43 like the two previous years and then like the like Cade McNamara or
24:46 something like that.
24:47 Shea Patterson beat him out in Michigan so like players that like I don't
24:51 know my camp bodies in the NFL but like I think where Milton will likely
24:56 provide a lot of value is on the practice squad and I think that I'm not
25:01 like expecting him to beat Bailey's happy to be like a true consideration
25:06 for the like top quarterback spots.
25:09 But if you're looking at roster construction with Drake man Jacoby
25:13 Brissett's being locked.
25:15 I also wouldn't be surprised if Milton was on the team in the middle of the
25:19 year and Zappy was not just because of the numbers game and where I think
25:23 Milton can provide a lot more value on the practice squad than where the
25:26 Patriots like I don't maybe they have to keep a third quarterback on the
25:29 roster if they're going to keep Zappy and is that worth it?
25:32 Probably not.
25:33 If nothing else it should make for a pretty fun August when he comes in in
25:38 the fourth quarter.
25:39 They have to draw up at least one all go play for him where everyone just
25:44 runs down the field and he just like does a happy Gilmore Crow hop and just
25:47 hucks it up there.
25:49 If nothing else I think it's worth the pit for that.
25:51 You never know.
25:52 You know, I get I don't see him having a long and fruitful career in the NFL.
25:56 I don't even know he's kind of guy you can convert to like a receiver the way
25:59 they try with like element or Cunningham.
26:01 I feel like he's just a quarterback who's never quite got the chance to make
26:05 it in college and at your point he had plenty of chances to take a starting
26:09 spot and just couldn't do it but it could be fun.
26:11 Again.
26:12 That was a good a great kind of six round.
26:14 What the hell pick for sure.
26:16 Before we get to fourth and goal and the undrafted free agency class.
26:19 I mean what's next for the Patriots.
26:21 I'd love to know if you have a particular favorite pick of the draft and your
26:25 least favorite pick of the draft for a Patriots perspective.
26:28 Yeah, honestly, I think Baker is my favorite pick for them.
26:32 Like I think that may Polk like obviously like there's a lot of excitement
26:37 around May and like I think that dial out of South Carolina could make the
26:41 roster at cornerback.
26:42 I like like his skill set that he brings up the quarterback role.
26:45 They need someone a little bit on the bigger end that can play on the outside.
26:48 So interest see what he does in camp and Bell has a very strong case to be that
26:53 third tight end on the roster.
26:55 I think he was more like a top 10 tight end prospect, but no one really counts
26:58 on them.
27:00 But Baker is the player that I think that will be the Patriots most valuable
27:05 rookie at the end of this year.
27:08 All right, I like that.
27:09 I think that's a that's a fun pick to I think what I like about this draft to
27:12 there weren't there weren't very many kind of just like boring picks and that
27:17 could be it could be a fun one to that degree.
27:19 I actually kind of like their seventh round pick.
27:21 Jahan Bella tied out of Florida State.
27:23 I don't know what they're going to do with him exactly.
27:26 He's really undersized for a tight end like six foot two to thirty five to
27:30 forty, but he's a really good athlete and if they can find a place for him,
27:35 he's a good blocker.
27:36 He's not going to be anybody in coverage or get any 5050 balls the way that
27:39 Gronk did say, but they can find like a role for him.
27:42 He could be a pretty fun mismatch in certain packages.
27:45 Maybe hopefully they'll find a way to utilize him in the offense.
27:48 Oh, totally.
27:49 And I mean, I think you look at what he did with South Carolina in 2022.
27:53 You see probably the vision of what they have for him.
27:58 You know, he played tight end for them, obviously, but like they used him
28:03 and like a do it all kind of a role, you know, look at his twenty twenty two
28:07 year.
28:08 He had seventy three carries for them.
28:10 Second on the team.
28:12 And then you look at he had twenty five receptions and that was third on the
28:16 team.
28:17 He fits that profile of someone that he's worth having on the roster.
28:21 You probably special teams as a rookie, but he gives you that like Kyle use
28:25 check ish ability coming out of the backfield.
28:28 That's like worth having.
28:30 You know, you just have a couple of gadget goal line packages, but the
28:33 Patriots don't have a true fullback.
28:35 And I think Bell could be that role and then also give them a viable receiver
28:39 out of the backfield.
28:40 So like, why not?
28:42 He has that profile.
28:44 I think that there's been a few players that have come out of probably even
28:47 like South Carolina in general over the past few years.
28:51 You know, like obviously he's not like Debo Samuel kind of a thing, but like
28:54 there are players that have performed as like that exact like I think that
29:01 they can both run and catch and block.
29:05 Why not?
29:06 I think he's one of them.
29:07 Yeah.
29:08 And for a seventh rounder, like what the hell, what do you have to lose?
29:11 So that's again, I think it's a pretty good draft class overall.
29:14 And again, Rachel, I think that's good transition into fourth and goal.
29:17 Just a pretty good offseason.
29:19 Overall, the Patriots are having.
29:20 I think this draft didn't leave anybody miserable the way other drafts have
29:24 they brought back their their homegrown talent.
29:26 You're looking at, you know, how horrible Belichick the GM has been all the
29:30 re-upping they've been gotten.
29:31 Christian Barmore just got the bag, which I'm very excited about.
29:34 I know you are as well.
29:35 They're spending their money in-house.
29:37 I think the only pick that maybe people are upset about, and I'm not that upset
29:41 about it, they didn't bring in Calvin Ridley, but his contract made no sense
29:44 to me that he got in Tennessee.
29:46 So it's not like there's been any move.
29:47 I'm like, what the hell are you doing, Gerard Mayo?
29:49 They've been pretty solid.
29:50 Maybe nothing world bending or like crazy.
29:53 I don't need that for the Patriots right now.
29:55 You know, I think they're building toward the future and beyond.
29:58 And that's all you can really say.
29:59 So I think in terms of the state of the roster goes, I'm as happy as I could be.
30:03 I think at this point.
30:04 Yeah, honestly, it's like they've spent money responsibly and in a way that
30:09 like they had the money.
30:10 So like every single player we wanted them to kind of keep, they did.
30:16 Like maybe like Miles Bryant and I know like Pharaoh Brown, those are like
30:21 two contentious, like, would it be worth it kind of a things, but like exciting
30:26 on way to Jennings, Henry Duggar, bar more, who J like born knockout,
30:34 absolute knockout off season from that perspective, bringing in Antonio Gibson.
30:39 Awesome.
30:40 They've needed to have a receiving back for a while.
30:43 They've missed him.
30:44 I missed James White.
30:45 Gibson is outstanding.
30:46 He will be just that be a good safety blanket for Drake may that they just
30:50 never gave Mac Jones for some reason.
30:52 They're smugger.
30:53 They never gave Mac Jones a third down back and it was mind boggling.
30:57 It was whoever that like wide receiver was that they converted.
31:01 It was just like doesn't make any sense.
31:03 Austin Hooper love that, you know, a high upside depth, you know, number two
31:07 receiving tight end talkie talkie, great linebacker depth option can play
31:12 special teams.
31:13 Osborne love that as a wide receiver three with potential wide receiver to
31:17 upside, giving them more opportunities, a core for you're not going to get a
31:21 cost effective tackle prospect on that one.
31:23 You know, he not like exactly one for one with current back Brown, but like
31:27 fits the bill of a player who has a lot of potential that just didn't do it
31:31 with the Steelers that showed flashes, but just like did not mesh with the
31:35 coaching staff.
31:36 So very interested to see what will happen there.
31:39 But like, yeah, I like they spent the money on the players in-house that
31:44 deserved the money.
31:45 So very happy about all of those moves being made and then they brought in
31:49 some quality veterans.
31:50 I feel like that'll just really bring depth in a true Belichick fashion.
31:54 So they didn't have to approach the draft outside of the quarterback role
31:57 saying we absolutely need to get a player at X role.
32:00 Is there anything Rich Hill you think they still have left to do in terms of
32:04 in-house moves, maybe restructure re-up Matthew Judon, for example, anything
32:09 else want to see them do before they turn attention to 2024 in earnest?
32:12 Yeah, honestly, I mean right now the post draft period is where a lot of teams
32:16 are signing the veterans because they don't count towards compensatory picks
32:20 anymore.
32:21 So a lot of teams have been holding off until after the draft because they
32:25 didn't want to affect their compensatory math.
32:27 And so a lot of these veteran players like David Bakhtiari, formerly of the
32:32 Packers, Charles Leno, you have like quality players that can definitely
32:37 start in this league that are still waiting on the sides because there's teams
32:43 that they want to have a bidding for them that are just holding off a little
32:47 bit until the draft was ending.
32:49 So I'm curious to see if there's any more of those veterans that they can
32:52 bring in.
32:53 Patriots have spots available.
32:55 I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make any of those moves, but I
32:59 would love for them to bring in another veteran tackle.
33:02 I think that that is if you look up and down the roster is like the last
33:05 remaining gap that they have.
33:07 And like I think a core four is like fine, but also like we saw this last
33:12 year when they brought in like six offensive tackle players like McDermott
33:16 and then where they traded for Wheatley and they have Calvin Anderson.
33:20 Like you just had like a whole hodgepodge of nothing.
33:22 I'd rather than raise the floor a little bit with a tackle that you would be
33:27 okay with on the left side.
33:29 And then if Caden Wallace beats them, that's great, but I'd rather have a
33:32 higher floor at this point.
33:33 You want more offensive linemen on this roster.
33:36 Give me more.
33:37 All right.
33:38 That's funny because they drafted.
33:39 They, they signed two undrafted free agents on the offensive line.
33:43 Charles Turner out of LSU and Zuri Henry out of UTEP.
33:47 They're coughing off a pretty mediocre or unspectacular UDFA class.
33:52 The one I like the best is probably to Sean Fenwick out of Oregon state.
33:56 He's a good early down guys, like a 225 pound guy.
33:59 It's a little more battle in the running back room should be fun there.
34:04 They brought in Jacob Warren out of Tennessee as a tight end.
34:07 Then they signed Del Pettis out of Troy as a safety.
34:10 Mikey Victor, all time, great football name,
34:13 cornerback out of Alabama state.
34:14 Caleb Ford Damon, another quarterback at a Texas state.
34:17 John Morgan, the third out of Arkansas.
34:19 Jet Bush, another great football name out of Texas linebacker.
34:23 And then linebacker John Trey Hunter out of Georgia state.
34:26 I'm not sure if any of the undrafted guys really stand out to your,
34:29 if you're excited about any of them, but probably there's always going to be
34:33 one that makes it.
34:35 So I'm very curious to see how it's going to be.
34:37 Yeah.
34:38 I mean, I think that there's a couple that like have the most strongest
34:42 inside lane.
34:43 It'd be Charles Turner out of LSU and Del Pettis out of Troy.
34:46 Patriots, obviously they're investing a lot in their interior line.
34:49 Turner is a center and the Patriots need to have one like Charles Turner has
34:55 the size six foot four, three Oh five David Andrews.
34:59 If he retires after the season, no one would be surprised.
35:02 And we haven't seen anything from Jake Andrews.
35:04 Like there there's no track record of success there.
35:06 It's a new coaching staff.
35:08 It's a new system.
35:09 So I could very easily see Charles Turner beating out Jake Andrews for that
35:14 top backup center role.
35:16 He also has the size where you can probably play multiple of those interior
35:19 roles.
35:20 So interested to see that.
35:21 And then obviously Del Del Pettis was like a four year starter does
35:25 everything, you know,
35:26 think of like that classic Pat Chung both played free safety box safety in
35:29 the slot.
35:30 Then at all played on special teams.
35:33 If you're thinking of what do the Patriots need or like what type of players
35:37 as an undrafted player make the roster.
35:39 It's the special teamers and Del Pettis is probably the strongest special
35:43 teams profiled player of the free agency class.
35:47 And I wouldn't be surprised if that was his path to the roster.
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37:16 No,
37:17 me neither.
37:18 There's always one at least undrafted guy that comes on and does something
37:21 awesome.
37:22 Probably the most exciting part of the offseason for me is when the preseason
37:25 starts are hearing about all this receiver Demario Douglas who just catching
37:29 everything or this undrafted kicker is making a splash wherever the case may
37:33 be.
37:34 I think there's a tough road to hoe for a lot of these guys because there's
37:36 not a lot of ways in but special teams has been the way for the Patriots in
37:40 the past.
37:41 I'll be very curious to see if Gerard Mayo places the same emphasis on special
37:45 teams that Belichick does.
37:46 I don't know if anybody can place the same level of emphasis that Belichick
37:50 did but Belichick seemed pretty happy with the draft over.
37:53 I'm not sure if you caught his his segment on the Pat McAfee draft special.
37:57 He seemed to be pretty pleased with the Patriots did I am as well which leads
38:01 me to the last part of our podcast which kicked the extra point grades the oh
38:06 so important very meaningful and not at all ridiculous draft grades but I want
38:12 to expand it a bit.
38:13 I want maybe you give the Patriots a draft grade to this point on the draft
38:17 alone and then maybe an overall offseason thus far grade knowing a little bit
38:21 more to go.
38:22 What are your grades the Patriots so far?
38:23 Yeah, I mean I think this offseason has been a solid like a minus maybe you
38:29 know for the Patriots this year.
38:31 I don't think that there's any real path for an a kind of an offseason at this
38:36 stage just because they had so much work they needed to do and then honestly
38:39 is like it wasn't a strong free agent class like you're not going to come out
38:44 and like solve all of your franchise problems this offseason like obviously
38:48 they didn't know this with like CJ Stroud for the Texans last year but like
38:52 you know retrospect that was an a they found themselves a franchise quarterback
38:55 Patriots could have that with Drake may have or remain to be seen but when you
38:59 think of like did they approach the offseason in a smart way?
39:02 Absolutely.
39:03 They retained all the players that they knew did well in the system.
39:06 That's fixing some of the problems that they had in previous years again.
39:10 I was very pro Juju Smith Schuster over, you know, moving on from a blanking on
39:17 the name right now.
39:18 I like the wide receiver to the Raiders undrafted for them.
39:22 But like I think that the Patriots have shown like oh we actually should reward
39:28 the players that performed in our system and they didn't do that.
39:32 And so now they're doing it and they're giving them top of the line contracts
39:36 and so like that's worth it.
39:38 That's them making smart moves.
39:40 I feel like when they have a lot of that money it makes players want to come
39:43 join the culture stay on the team develop with the team continue to build with
39:47 them because this is a multi-year process.
39:49 This Patriots team has intentionally gone out and found players like KJ Osborne
39:53 that are coming and saying we know we're not going to win it all this year.
39:56 But what we want to do is set the tone for a brand new culture.
39:59 And so I think they found a lot of really good high character players that fit
40:03 that bill and in the draft they got a lot of players who have pathways to being
40:06 contributors and you know outside of that one pick with Caden Wallace.
40:11 I think most of the picks were like relatively reasonable following most
40:15 draft boards in the general sense of like you don't ever reaches don't work.
40:20 That's like been shown over and over again reaches don't work.
40:24 But like they've did a very good job of sticking to their board and finding
40:28 contributors.
40:29 So overall have to give them a very solid A-grade.
40:33 So two A-minuses offseason and draft.
40:35 I like it.
40:36 I think your best point you made among all that incoherent rambling Rich Hill
40:39 was I don't think this is really an offseason where an A is possible like
40:44 there wasn't this like coveted marquee guy that everyone was after in the
40:48 Patriots and now we got him there wasn't this player that completely perfectly
40:52 filled their one big need.
40:53 They were just X Y & Z away from a serious title run.
40:56 They did what they could they brought the guys in they needed to bring in they
41:00 focused inward and re-sign the guys that would be better core players for them
41:04 down the line which is all you can ask for not the most exciting news to get on
41:08 a Tuesday to hear that you know your safety got a four-year contract but it's
41:12 the news you need to hear it's the news you need to hear which I really really
41:16 like you know there's nothing they've done so far this offseason that has made
41:19 me be like what the hell is going on it's more of the same the departure from
41:23 Bell Belichick represents a total sea change and how they approach things going
41:26 forward and believe it or not they kind of have it's weird to think that
41:29 just like re-signing players and bringing in free agents that you think they
41:34 could use as a departure but Bill Belichick had his own system and it worked
41:38 for him but Drod Mayo is off to a great start.
41:40 Yes, I'm going to go with a solid B because they're going to I think B is
41:44 just a unspectacular but very very effective effective offseason as to the
41:49 grades for the draft.
41:50 I hate giving draft grades like the week after because you have to revisit this
41:54 like three years down the line, but I do what I must.
41:57 I'm also going to go with maybe like a B- for the draft like the May pick a lot.
42:02 I like the receivers, but again, there's there wasn't a single draft pick for me
42:07 at least where there's usually at least one where I watch the draft of my I love
42:11 that pick and I didn't really have that visceral reaction anybody there wasn't
42:15 like a Joe Tooney fourth rounder.
42:17 I'm like, oh what an amazing pick that was but there were none where I was like
42:21 what the hell was that now, you know, so it's right in the middle.
42:25 So that's that's a B- for me.
42:27 I would love to come back or visit this in 2027 or so and talk about how much
42:31 better or worse I did, but I think they are they are right where they need to be.
42:35 I think they are a team that is not going anywhere this year, but is going to lay
42:39 a very solid foundation to go pretty pretty far in a couple of years.
42:43 Unfortunately when we're talking about the Mac Jones draft, this is supposed to
42:46 be the year he was really going to blow up in 2024.
42:49 They're going to be right at the top contending again.
42:51 That obviously didn't happen.
42:53 Hopefully this is it because to your point in the last podcast Rich Drake
42:57 May is now the guy till like 2027 2028 regardless of how he plays over the next
43:03 few years.
43:04 You can't invest in a quarterback that high and then scrap him next year.
43:08 If they pick third overall next year, they are not taking a quarterback
43:12 regardless.
43:13 So hopefully May works out and I'm rooting for him.
43:15 Yep, totally totally.
43:16 I mean like there's a few other things one.
43:19 Sorry, Jacoby Myers.
43:20 I can't believe I blanked on your name.
43:22 Very offensive with me.
43:23 I apologize.
43:24 The second one being that the Joe Milton pick is what they got from trading away
43:29 Mac Jones, so they will forever be linked and I will be curious to see if Milton
43:33 never turns into anything as a result.
43:35 But yeah, I mean like if they're back where they are next year, you know in the
43:39 top three again, I'm both going to be not super surprised but also like this team
43:46 was barren of talent.
43:47 Like we talked about this during the course of the last season where it's like
43:51 maybe only the Giants are in a worst position than the Patriots as it relates to
43:56 their roster being in purgatory.
43:58 And so the Patriots have done a lot of really good moves to make themselves look
44:02 more competitive.
44:03 I wouldn't be surprised if they were, you know, six to seven win team this year.
44:07 I'm not expecting the world for them, but I do think that they've made incremental
44:12 improvements in ways that like if May works out, he was the highest upside
44:17 quarterback.
44:18 So it's worth taking that chance and if they're in that spot again, and there so
44:22 happens to be a another prospect just like that.
44:24 I would be very pro them doing it, you know, just like the Cardinals taking
44:27 Kyler when they had Rosen on the roster like quarterback is just such the most
44:33 overpowered position in all of football that like if you have another bite at
44:37 that Apple you go for it.
44:38 Like if the team should take a quarterback in the first round of every single draft
44:43 until they get one like there's no reason for them not to do that because you're
44:47 nothing if you don't have a good quarterback.
44:49 So it's worth that investment.
44:51 The other position that I was shocked that they didn't invest in Alec Chad
44:56 Ryland is still their kicker.
44:57 They did nothing in the offseason to address the kicker position.
45:01 I was I thought that they would bring in a veteran at least to help be competitive
45:06 for it.
45:07 Obviously wasn't expecting them to like really draft a kicker but like Ryland is
45:12 a kicker kind of with permanent marker at this point.
45:17 I well first of all, I thought you were just kidding about Kobe Myers because
45:20 you just couldn't bear to think about him being gone.
45:22 I would have correct you.
45:23 I really thought you were just kind of didn't didn't want to mention his name
45:26 because just such as PTSD for what happened before there's still time to bring
45:30 a veteran in better than Rick kicker Rich.
45:31 Oh, I can't imagine they start training camp and there's only one kicker on the
45:34 roster and it's Chad Ryland because Chad Ryland has not instilled confidence in
45:38 anybody.
45:39 This is a pretty interesting time on the NFL calendar.
45:41 There's really not a lot happening as they start to turn inward.
45:44 You have rookie mini camp coming up and there's kind of the deadest time on the
45:48 roster as you get into June before training camp starts.
45:50 But you know, I think they're at 88 right now.
45:52 I know five as of this recording.
45:54 So they have a couple open spots to bring in some people.
45:57 I imagine a kicker will be in there at some point.
45:59 Maybe they'll sign a guy.
46:00 There's plenty of kickers that are that were not drafted.
46:03 I'd be very surprised if Ryland is the starter, but you never know.
46:06 Maybe he's having a phenomenal offseason.
46:08 I'll turn it around.
46:09 Good good camp battle.
46:10 But I think I'll be curious to break down what happens over the coming weeks
46:13 of your rich because you know, this is kind of where you start to really hone
46:16 your roster and fine tune it before the cuts start happening.
46:19 And with those last five or so spots five six spots, they may can bring in
46:23 those back in guys that can really kind of complete the picture.
46:26 Totally.
46:27 And as we mentioned, like there's other veterans that can sign other teams
46:30 are going to have their cuts.
46:31 There's so much work left to be done before week one of the season.
46:34 Very excited to break it down with you.
46:36 Also, just I feel like this roster has a lot of promise and you know,
46:41 obviously hat tip to Elliot Wolf for assembling this Patriots are now in
46:46 the process of like figuring out if they want to keep them around.
46:49 So like that's what's next for the Patriots is doing GM interviews.
46:53 So yeah, we'll break down the offseason camp and everything over the
46:57 coming weeks and Alec.
46:58 I don't know if you have any final thoughts or otherwise talk to you
47:01 next time.
47:02 That sounds good, man.
47:03 See you later.
47:04 All right.
47:04 Have a good one.
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