Salman Akram Raja's powerful conversation with CJP Isa on reserved seats case

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00:00Mr. Salman, I would like to show you a glimpse of today's program and then I would like to start the program with you.

00:10Show me. I thought that by answering a question, I would look like a foreigner. I would like to start from here.

00:16Show me the clip.

00:17If I ask you today, because there is a statutory declaration which says you belong to Nazirat.

00:23I know what my lord is saying.

00:26Listen to me.

00:28There is a reason why I am interrupting.

00:30No, no.

00:31This is a matter before the courts. I would request my lord not to make any comment.

00:35Please, it is not a comment, it is a question.

00:38There is a statute declaration which shows you as Nazirati.

00:41There is a certificate which you referred to which shows you as PTI.

00:45And now you are saying you are Sunni.

00:49You may not respond to it.

00:52Can you just tell me which political party you belong to?

00:55I do not want to respond to this question.

00:57You are not before us.

01:00You are, you keep referring to yourself.

01:02They find my papers. I don't know why.

01:04You are party-less. I mean, it is not a state secret.

01:08It is a factual plea.

01:10To be the person Salman Akram Raja is not relevant.

01:12I will, with great respect, not answer that question at the moment.

01:16Salman sir, I would like to request you, as much as we know you,

01:19you are not even compared to TV anchors in talk shows.

01:23You are not even compared to your colleagues in the Jamaat.

01:29You are not even compared to them.

01:31I don't know, have I ever seen you in the Supreme Court,

01:34I mean, my bad luck,

01:36I have never seen you practicing in the Supreme Court in Pakistan.

01:40I have not seen you in person.

01:41You were not present there.

01:42So, I don't know if this is your usual behavior in court.

01:45Otherwise, I felt that this is very different from your temperament.

01:48So, is there any special reason for this,

01:50that you seem to be a snob?

01:52Are you a snob to an individual on the bench?

01:55Or are you a snob to some criminals?

01:57Are you upset? Are you angry?

01:59Why do you seem to be a little jittery?

02:02This is my innocent question to start with.

02:07No, no, this is your right question.

02:09Look, there are a few cases that were in front of the court.

02:13I did not hesitate to answer any of their questions.

02:19There are a few things that affect the court in the same way.

02:25The question of which political party I belong to,

02:28has nothing to do with this case.

02:30And that is why I requested that you do not ask this question,

02:34because I, as Salman Akram Raja, am not presenting myself to you.

02:37I am presenting myself as a lawyer,

02:40whether it is Qawwal Shauzab or PTI.

02:42So, it has nothing to do with my personal question.

02:48I am not confused.

02:50I have said it in a very polite manner

02:52that I will not answer this question,

02:54because in my opinion it is irrelevant.

02:56And the way Jahia Afridi supported me,

02:58she also said that you should not answer this question.

03:00So, there are such things.

03:03In a judicial process, which is surrounded by many hours and many days,

03:08we keep on talking.

03:10I have been in touch with these judges for 20-25 years.

03:13So, there are many things that we do to each other.

03:17The fact that you have chosen this,

03:19was the most important thing in today's proceedings.

03:22No, no, I said this because I did not want to study from the case,

03:26but I wanted to study from your temperament.

03:29I did not get angry at all.

03:32I said this because of your general temperament.

03:35I said it in a very polite manner that I will not answer this question,

03:41but this is not an issue.

03:43You have repeatedly said that this is an unrelated question.

03:48Did you see any other purpose in this question,

03:51because of which you thought it was irrelevant?

03:56And you said, I chose not to answer this question.

03:59It is like this, I do not want to talk much on this.

04:02I will not talk about what I did not talk about in court in your program.

04:07In my opinion, this question was irrelevant.

04:10Okay, now I come to the case.

04:12Sir, you tell me, Salman Khan,

04:15was this matter surprising to you for some reason,

04:18or were you expecting that when the case is closed today,

04:22there will be a short order?

04:24Or is this also a common thing?

04:26Obviously, we know that it is not always the case that a decision is made on that day.

04:29So, is this a matter for you?

04:31And obviously, the purpose of asking this question is that

04:34it is being evaluated, which I do not even want to discuss here,

04:36but it is being evaluated on social media.

04:38People talk about all kinds of things.

04:39It should be given importance, not that it is a different topic.

04:41So, do you think this is also a common thing?

04:43Or is this a matter of concern or surprise for you

04:46that why did not it get a short order today?

04:48Look, our desire was that the short order should come today.

04:53And in the past, many cases, which we call big cases,

04:57historical cases,

04:59be it the case of NRO,

05:01be it the case of Asghar Khan,

05:03be it the case of Adli Abahali,

05:08there are countless cases.

05:10In them, it has usually happened that

05:12on the last day, a short order,

05:14even if it is a few hours late,

05:16comes.

05:18Now today, since the short order did not come,

05:21when it seemed that some judges thought

05:24that we should give a short order today,

05:27it certainly creates a little concern,

05:30there are doubts.

05:31We know what the environment is,

05:33what shadows are surrounding the court.

05:36So, we think that legal and judicial matters

05:39should reach their final conclusion as soon as possible.

05:44So, our desire is that the short order should come soon.

05:48Of course, the detailed order will come later,

05:52but our desire is that the short order should come soon.

05:55And sir, if I ask you this,

05:57you are in a position, which you have also expressed in the court,

06:00that you have no doubt about any judge,

06:03at least there is no complaint,

06:06the opinion can be different,

06:08the method is different,

06:10but you have no doubt about the intent of this case,

06:14or you have no desire that it would be better

06:17if there was something different from the case.

06:20Look, this is also a question that I will not answer,

06:24because it is related to the attitude of a political community.

06:29In this regard, our opinion is there,

06:32but at the moment I will not express it.

06:36If we come to the issues of the case,

06:41then I will be able to talk more.

06:45What was the case in this case?

06:47What was our opinion?

06:49And why do we think that our opinion is correct

06:52and the opinion of other communities is wrong?

06:54I think this should be known to the people of Pakistan.

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