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00:00Assalamu alaikum program The Reporters and I am Sadaf Abdul Jabbar and our panelist
00:28As usual, I would like to thank you all for being here with us.
00:35I would also like to thank Mr. Ghulam Hussain, Mr. Haider Naqvi and Mr. Ayub.
00:41First of all, let's take a look at today's news.
00:48As you may remember, the case of Maqsood Sushruta has been closed.
00:53The evidence has been given on behalf of the jury.
00:55After that, the verdict will be secured.
00:57It was expected that the verdict would come today.
01:00But the verdict did not come.
01:02In fact, the full-court hearing began today.
01:07This does not always happen.
01:09Whenever the verdict is secured in any important case.
01:12Then the verdict comes on the day it has to come.
01:16This is a new thing.
01:18A consultation is being held on this.
01:21We would also like to know the details of this.
01:23When will the verdict be announced?
01:25Can there be further hearings?
01:28We will talk about this as well.
01:30But let's also look at other stories.
01:33If we look at the newspapers or the news.
01:37On the one hand, the government tells us that the case is going on very happily.
01:43The People's Party is also with us.
01:45The government has not become a part of the cabinet.
01:48But there is support in every way.
01:50But today, the statement of the President of the United Nations, Mr. Tassif Ali Zardari is very important.
01:54In which he said that the current government.
01:57Obviously, the government is not working according to his instructions.
02:01And the conditions of the IMF are being followed.
02:04There is a lot of burden on the people.
02:07We cannot leave the people alone.
02:09We are also showing you some glimpses of what to say.
02:12An important ally has expressed his dissatisfaction with the Shahbaz government.
02:17It would not be wrong to say that.
02:19And another thing he said.
02:21If we know how to make a government, then we also know how to bring it down.
02:26This is a very important statement of the President of the United Nations.
02:30And he says that he is aware of the difficulties of the people.
02:34According to the IMF.
02:36Obviously, if you look at it.
02:39We would say that the People's Party is trying to gain political leverage.
02:45In the current situation, when everyone is criticizing after the budget, especially after the taxes.
02:49So the Prime Minister is disappointed with the work of his markets.
02:54So in a way, we can see the endorsement of Mr. Tassif Ali Zardari.
02:59And Nawaz Sharif, who has been missing since the election.
03:03They are also not visible.
03:05Common decisions are being made.
03:07But there is no news about them.
03:09And there is also news that they are not very happy with the current situation.
03:12We are also seeing the non-participation of the leaders of the Muslim Parliamentary Party.
03:18Third, another important thing.
03:21They say that there is a lot of noise in the current inflation.
03:27See, if there are 200 units, then if your bill comes to 2000, 3000.
03:32If it becomes 201, then it becomes 8000 directly.
03:35So the claims that 300 units will be free, 200 units will be free.
03:39Now the government said that we are going to provide relief to those who have 200 units.
03:43But this will be temporary relief.
03:45Along with this, the news comes that those who are investors.
03:50Those who are investors in electricity, whether commercial or domestic.
03:53Now preparations are also being made to increase its price.
03:56So there is a lot of contradiction.
03:57On the one hand, there is talk of relief, which is also temporary.
04:00On the other hand, there is talk of increasing electricity prices.
04:03We will talk about all this.
04:04Let's go to our first story.
04:06And our reporter Raja Mohsin Ejaz is on it.
04:09Obviously, he gives us a lot of details about the legal age.
04:14So Raja Mohsin Ejaz, tell us.
04:16How long will this decision be heard about the specific seats?
04:21Is this a routine full-court hearing?
04:23Is this a routine?
04:24This usually happens.
04:25I have not seen it.
04:26But obviously, you deal with these issues a lot.
04:29So should we consider this a routine?
04:31Look, this is not a routine.
04:33Usually this is not the case.
04:35And this hearing is also back-to-back.
04:37There were two hearings like this.
04:39It went on for about an hour and a half.
04:41And today the hearing was held again.
04:43The decision to come from these specific seats.
04:46This is where the discussion between the judges took place.
04:49And now it is said that this decision will be heard tomorrow.
04:53And after a while, the decision will be heard.
04:56The cause list will also be released.
05:00Two days ago, after all the arguments of the parties were completed.
05:04The decision was secured.
05:05So the Chief Justice of Pakistan said in his concluding remarks.
05:09When the bench was going up.
05:11When will the decision be heard?
05:13Nothing can be said in this regard yet.
05:15Because the judges will discuss it now.
05:17There have been two rounds of discussion in this regard.
05:20And you are absolutely right that this is not a practice.
05:23It is not seen in this way that it should be held in this way.
05:27But because this matter is extremely important.
05:30A lot of things have to be answered in this.
05:33There are a lot of things in it.
05:36You can say a lot of technical things in it.
05:41There are different questions that have to be answered.
05:44So maybe that's why it is taking a lot of time.
05:46And the judges have also had two rounds of discussion on it.
05:49The 13-member full court who heard the case.
05:52However, now it has to be said.
05:54That this decision will be heard tomorrow morning.
05:59Okay.
06:00This decision will be heard tomorrow morning.
06:02And the discussion that has been held.
06:05Is there any detail about it, Raja Mohsin?
06:07We remember that there was a lot of discussion.
06:11Yes.
06:13Look, the consultation session was held the day before yesterday.
06:16It lasted for about one and a half hours.
06:18All the judges gave their opinions on the arguments of the two parties related to this case.
06:27The same session was held today.
06:30The second session was held today.
06:32All the judges gave their opinions on this judgment in this session.
06:38And now it has to be said.
06:40That the judges have reached a final decision.
06:44And now the time has come for the decision.
06:47Because this decision is of great importance.
06:50And the functioning of the parliament in the future depends on this.
06:57Because you know that the ruling parties.
07:01If they get the majority, then you know that they will get a two-third majority.
07:08Then in the coming period, we can see the same.
07:11But if the appeals of the Sunni Council are accepted.
07:16Then the matter will go to the other side.
07:18So it is of great importance.
07:20And tomorrow will be a very important day.
07:22Tomorrow, the Supreme Court of Pakistan will hear this decision.
07:25Because this is the last court session before the court hearings in the summer.
07:29So there is a good chance that this decision will be heard tomorrow.
07:35Okay.
07:36Thank you so much.
07:38Thank you very much.
07:39Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam, I come to you.
07:41In the context in which we are talking right now.
07:44Tomorrow, this decision will be heard.
07:45Today, there was a consultation session of the full court.
07:48We are standing on a legal and historical turn.
07:51This can be a very important decision politically.
07:54How important is it for you that the decision of the case will be heard tomorrow?
08:00Because the current National Assembly and Senate.
08:04Or all the governments.
08:06This decision has a lot of effect on their formation and survival.
08:10Because it can take a lot of time.
08:14And if this remains the status quo.
08:16Then for now, through the Senate and National Assembly.
08:20Even though the majority is in power.
08:22So whatever changes they want to make through it.
08:25They can do it.
08:27But so far, the information on the decision.
08:30It is the same time to comment on any kind of person.
08:34When it will come in front.
08:36But for now, I understand.
08:38That point of view or explanation.
08:41Or in the light of the law.
08:44After the decision of the Election Commission and its implementation.
08:48The Supreme Court's 13-member bench.
08:50All the hearings that have taken place.
08:52And in the public view.
08:54On a large scale.
08:56There is a difference of opinion.
08:58Sometimes it is 8 on one side.
09:005 on the other side.
09:02Sometimes it is 9 or 4.
09:04Sometimes it is 1 or 12.
09:06Sometimes it is 13.
09:08Until the decision is made.
09:10It will have a lot of political impact.
09:13You cannot ignore this.
09:15But what will be the impact?
09:17And who will benefit?
09:19Politically.
09:21And those who are traveling first.
09:23Will travel more.
09:25Or their suffering will be less.
09:27And others will start.
09:29So we will have to wait for the judgment.
09:33Absolutely.
09:35We will have to wait for the judgment.
09:37But its effects will be very far-reaching.
09:39Hassan, what would you like to comment on this?
09:41Because it is obvious.
09:43The way this is a matter of special sessions.
09:47The kind of statements that were made on this.
09:49Then this matter has gone to court.
09:51Do you think.
09:53There will be some clarity.
09:55After tomorrow's decision.
09:59I am seeing.
10:01Tomorrow the Supreme Court.
10:03Will decide according to the law.
10:05Or the Supreme Court.
10:07Will rewrite the law.
10:09This is the basic question.
10:11Because this is an appeal of 185.
10:13Against the decision of Peshawar High Court.
10:15Sunni Ithaad Council.
10:17Appealed in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
10:19Now.
10:21Sunni Ithaad Council.
10:23Appealed.
10:25Their lawyer was Faisal Siddiqui.
10:27Now the arguments of Faisal Siddiqui.
10:29If you listen to those arguments.
10:31And then against it.
10:33Kamal Chaudhary's lawyer.
10:35Salman Akram Raja.
10:37If you listen to both those arguments.
10:39Then only one thing can be correct.
10:41That is.
10:43Salman Akram Raja's arguments.
10:45Were against Faisal Siddiqui.
10:47So.
10:49I am very confused.
10:51What the Supreme Court will decide.
10:53Because.
10:55And because of this.
10:57This second hearing.
10:59Was of the full court.
11:01And all these judges.
11:03Are sitting again.
11:05Because the confusion was not only in Vukla.
11:07Because such arguments had come forward.
11:09After that maybe the judges are also confused.
11:11What we have to do now.
11:13That these seats are of Sunni Ithaad.
11:15Or of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf.
11:17Or these seats.
11:19Because both are not parliamentary committees.
11:21Then they should be distributed among other parliamentary committees.
11:23So one thing is clear.
11:25That all the judges agree on this.
11:27That these sessions cannot be left empty.
11:29These sessions.
11:31Someone will get it.
11:33But does the Sunni Ithaad get it.
11:35Does Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaaf get it.
11:37Or other governmental committees get it.
11:39One thing will be this.
11:41The second thing is.
11:43When a case is secured.
11:45Then the judges discuss it.
11:47But the discussion happens only once.
11:49This is a new thing.
11:51That the second time.
11:53All the judges are sitting again.
11:55And I believe.
11:57In this.
11:59You have almost reached.
12:01Some conclusion.
12:03The judgment has been decided on it.
12:05Now tomorrow is its announcement.
12:07Because before this.
12:09Which judge.
12:11If the decision has been secured.
12:13It means this.
12:15The decision has been secured before.
12:17But after that.
12:19Whether the judges reached a conclusion or not.
12:21That is why they secure the decision.
12:23That they themselves.
12:25In writing.
12:27They have to reach them after reading.
12:29The importance of this case.
12:31Has increased even more.
12:33Mr. Naqvi.
12:35I come to you.
12:37In our politics.
12:39Have we moved forward?
12:41Will all the parties agree?
12:43Once and for all.
12:45It will be decided.
12:47If such a situation arises.
12:49It will be decided.
12:51Like Hassan is saying.
12:53You think history will be rewritten.
12:55As far as I know.
12:57You want Sunni jihad.
12:59To get these seats.
13:01What do you think of tomorrow's decision?
13:03Look.
13:05Will we move forward?
13:07We have gone way back.
13:09But before the decision.
13:11I would like to say.
13:13Law should never be.
13:15Followed by popularity.
13:17Law should always take its own path.
13:19Now it is the matter of law.
13:21Or legal doubts.
13:23Or the law.
13:25Or the judges.
13:27Or the lawyers.
13:29So that debate is going on.
13:31And it is their job to debate it.
13:33And it is their job to decide it.
13:35And it is their job to evaluate it.
13:37Which is very important.
13:39And it is very important for the entire Pakistani nation.
13:41Look.
13:43These sessions.
13:45Which were given to Hukumra.
13:47It was not theirs.
13:49And I had said that.
13:51You are doing a very big crime.
13:53By taking these sessions.
13:55But when it came forward.
13:57After the decision of Peshawar High Court.
13:59When it came to the Supreme Court.
14:01Mansoor Shah ordered a stay on it.
14:03And it was said that.
14:05It is possible that these sessions are of the Sunni Council.
14:07So now the law says that.
14:09These sessions are not even of the Sunni Council.
14:11And which so far.
14:13According to the law.
14:15Now the judges who decide.
14:17It is their choice.
14:19But this is what is known about a common debate.
14:21Now the most social loss.
14:23Which is the most moral loss.
14:25That this vote.
14:27These sessions are also theirs.
14:29If you do not give.
14:31You will set a very wrong example.
14:33One thing.
14:35But the second thing is that.
14:37Those who will be given these sessions.
14:39Are they legally entitled to it?
14:41Are they morally entitled to it?
14:43That when you are in the assembly.
14:45The party that is being discussed.
14:47His own head.
14:49As a free boy.
14:51Reached the assembly.
14:53And after coming he says.
14:55Now give all these sessions to my community.
14:57So this morality does not accept.
14:59The Supreme Court thinks better.
15:01That this matter should be sent back.
15:03To the Parliament.
15:05And the Parliament should decide it.
15:07Yes.
15:09But of course.
15:11The best decision will be that.
15:13The Supreme Court's full bench will decide.
15:15And of course.
15:17The legal debate has been seen.
15:19This decision will come after that.
15:21So let's see what decision comes tomorrow.
15:23I will disagree a little.
15:25Look, every decision of the Supreme Court.
15:27Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
15:29The decision to hang him.
15:31It is also the decision of the Supreme Court.
15:33And after that.
15:35That decision.
15:37It was declared a judicial murder.
15:39In this Supreme Court.
15:41In the same way, the decision of 63A.
15:43Hassan, we have come a long way from that.
15:45We are talking about rewriting it.
15:47We have learned a lot from it.
15:49No, we did not go beyond that.
15:51That is why today.
15:53That decision has been revisited.
15:55If this decision had not been revisited.
15:57Then we would have thought that.
15:59There is still room for such decisions.
16:01Let's move on.
16:03There are more topics to talk about.
16:07So you see.
16:09Hassan, this is the Supreme Court.
16:11Who revisited.
16:13And then gave a completely different decision.
16:15Which you are giving an example of today.
16:17After 40 years.
16:19He is giving.
16:21No.
16:23This is different.
16:25You are not agreeing.
16:27Let's move on.
16:29Mr. Chaudhary, tell me.
16:31Mr. Zardari's statement.
16:33Generally, the position of the Supreme Court.
16:35Is very ceremonial.
16:37But his statement.
16:39The government has given the first budget.
16:41Not even a full year.
16:43In that.
16:45IMF.
16:47Everyone knows.
16:49It was impossible to go to the IMF.
16:51This government is not working.
16:53Then we are looking at Mr. Shahbaz Sharif.
16:55First of all.
16:57On this statement of Mr. Zardari.
16:59What does he see?
17:01That the government is not working.
17:03But he is also a supporter of the government's decisions.
17:07President of the country.
17:09Asim Ali Zardari.
17:11Everyone thinks.
17:13He is a very experienced.
17:15And a good politician.
17:17If his statement.
17:19You are not agreeing.
17:21Either you are blindfolded.
17:23Or the president is not told the facts.
17:25This is a very significant statement.
17:29And this is a warning.
17:31To all the people of the Muslim League.
17:33Who are in power.
17:35Whatever you are doing.
17:37Is not acceptable.
17:39Either you change your way.
17:41Public.
17:43And political behavior.
17:45Or you.
17:47You have to leave the way.
17:49If the People's Party.
17:51Announces today.
17:53That we have nothing to do with this government.
17:55It will be the end of it.
17:57PMLN.
17:59Forgive me.
18:01This is the subject of our other friends.
18:03I think.
18:05The leadership of the People's Party.
18:07Did not meet the expectations.
18:09What will happen to the public?
18:11The public.
18:13Is spreading rumors about them.
18:17Yes.
18:19Let's ask Haider Naqvi.
18:21Haider Naqvi.
18:23Consider this political statement.
18:25As we saw.
18:27When the budget was being presented.
18:29The People's Party was upset.
18:31They were not coming.
18:33Then they were convinced.
18:35Then they agreed.
18:37Should we understand this statement in the same way?
18:39Or is there some weight in it?
18:41And is Mr. Zardari really worried?
18:43When Mr. Chaudhary speaks with so much love.
18:45And the second thing.
18:47What you said about the statement.
18:49Now see.
18:51Where did Mr. Zardari give this statement?
18:53He gave this statement in Lahore.
18:55News was coming from the past few days.
18:57Pakistan People's Party.
18:59And Muslim League Noon.
19:01Both these parties are in Punjab.
19:03Obviously in the government.
19:05But because Muslim League Noon.
19:07The vast majority is there.
19:09And to make it a government.
19:11There is no need for other parties.
19:13And Muslim League Noon.
19:15Is not able to adjust the People's Party.
19:17In Punjab.
19:19The way the Pakistan People's Party.
19:21Wants to adjust in Punjab.
19:23Maybe Mr. Zardari pointed towards the center.
19:25But whatever the situation is.
19:27The People's Party is in Punjab.
19:29Between the government of Muslim League Noon.
19:31And I don't think the government in the center.
19:33At present.
19:35There is any kind of danger.
19:37Because the government that is taking steps.
19:39They are being endorsed from somewhere else.
19:41They are being endorsed from somewhere else.
19:43They are being certified from somewhere else.
19:45This means that all those parties.
19:47Are in agreement with it.
19:49Which under the banner of that endorsement.
19:51Has become a part of this government.
19:53And I think this.
19:55A lot of intellect accepts this.
19:57Which Mr. Zardari.
19:59Which I spoke about in the scenario of Punjab.
20:01Yes.
20:03So to the extent of loyalty.
20:05This is a political statement.
20:07Then we should consider it a political statement.
20:09All the statements of a politician are political.
20:11A politician gives a political statement.
20:13He does not give a religious statement.
20:15But yes.
20:17Maybe Mr. Zardari wants to adjust something in Punjab.
20:19To the Pakistan People's Party.
20:21And that is why he sat in Lahore and said this.
20:23And in the meeting with the people of Punjab in Lahore.
20:25He said this.
20:27Yes.
20:29Hassan.
20:31What would you say.
20:33Consider it a political statement.
20:35And the politics of Punjab.
20:37He also has a statement.
20:39Whether it is Lahore or Islamabad.
20:41I know how to get everyone to work.
20:43And he is looking at everyone in a way.
20:45So how are you taking this statement.
20:47Mr. Zardari.
20:49Look.
20:51President Asif Ali Zardari.
20:53He is a very good politician.
20:55This statement is his political statement.
20:57Because if it is said.
20:59If he wants.
21:01And the People's Party withdraws its support.
21:03Then the Shehbaz government.
21:05This government cannot be established.
21:07There is no need for him to say.
21:09That I know how to bring down the government.
21:11Because he has made this government.
21:13If he is the one who made the government.
21:15If he withdraws his support.
21:17Then the government will not stay for an hour.
21:21As far as Punjab is concerned.
21:23Then his wish.
21:25The wish of the people of his party.
21:27That the People's Party of Punjab.
21:29They have some problems.
21:31They have some issues with the administration.
21:33Along with them.
21:35They want to come to the markets.
21:37They want to participate.
21:39But Haider Naqvi is absolutely right.
21:41That at the moment.
21:43Muslim League Nawaz.
21:45Is not in the mood to facilitate them in Punjab.
21:47To the extent of their administration.
21:49Their work will be done.
21:51But they are not being included in the markets.
21:53So maybe this is it.
21:55To reassure his people.
21:57He has given this statement.
21:59There is no need to look at this statement very seriously.
22:01He wanted to raise the morale of his people.
22:03And in a good way.
22:05President Asim Ali Zardari.
22:07Raised the morale of his workers.
22:11Mr. Chaudhary.
22:13Everyone is saying here.
22:15On board.
22:17That this is a political statement.
22:19Tell us.
22:21You are a seasoned journalist.
22:23You have a lot of experience.
22:25In your opinion.
22:27Which statement can it be.
22:29It seems that the people are really in pain.
22:33These statements are coming from the Jamaat and the workers.
22:35Now they are very worried.
22:41My opinion is that.
22:43Whatever you are saying.
22:47Three things can be seen from this statement.
22:51One is their dissatisfaction.
22:53Or say that the party.
22:55Their dissatisfaction.
22:57They have expressed it in their words.
23:01Because the leader is because of his followers.
23:05If your party is not with them.
23:07Then what kind of.
23:09And the second.
23:11The politician is not going to shoot a gun.
23:13Or go and sink a ship in the sea.
23:15He has to give statements.
23:17So if I say.
23:19Asim Ali Zardari.
23:21Now and during the budget.
23:23The people's party has adopted the position.
23:25Although they did not act on it.
23:27If these three things are combined.
23:29Then three things come to light.
23:33People's party is keeping its options open.
23:35Number one.
23:37Number two.
23:39They say that we are not averse to the problems.
23:41Faced by the general public.
23:43Number three.
23:45They say that if you do not satisfy us.
23:47Then we are not forced.
23:49To stand with them.
23:51We will decide our own course.
23:55I would like to talk.
23:57If you allow me.
23:59Of course.
24:01Hassan.
24:03Let me take a break.
24:05We will continue after the break.
24:17Welcome back once again.
24:19Hassan.
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