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- Muhammad Malik (Senior Analyst)
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:16We are still talking about the same ban and Article 6.
00:20Even today, there were press conferences.
00:22Kashif Abbasi is the minister of defence of a press conference.
00:26He endorsed the decision of Attaullah Tariq that Article 6 should be imposed and a ban should be imposed.
00:38What are the political allies doing and what is the rest of the political party doing?
00:43This decision came yesterday or there was a press conference.
00:45Attaullah Tariq said that Article 6 will be imposed and a ban will be imposed.
00:49The people of his party disagreed with him.
00:52What did he say?
00:54Are you going to impose a ban on Tariq?
00:56I am not in favour of any political party's ban.
00:59What is the option other than imposing a ban on it?
01:01A political party will not be banned.
01:04It is not a matter of a party.
01:06We will impose a ban on that thought.
01:08A ban on political parties does not solve the problem.
01:15You have seen that a few people have said that we are not in favour of a ban.
01:22Did you consult with the United Nations?
01:24Yesterday, Attaullah Tariq said that he had consulted with the United Nations.
01:27But now the United Nations is saying that they have not consulted with them.
01:31The United Nations is on board.
01:33When Shajeer's tweet came, we spoke to them.
01:36They said that they will put pressure on the United Nations.
01:38We are their allies.
01:40They have not taken us in confidence.
01:41When they take us in confidence, we will talk about it in detail.
01:45Forget the United Nations.
01:47Your political party is saying that you will have to consult with the United Nations.
01:50I am sorry.
01:51Mr. Ishaq Das has also said this.
01:53A ban has not been imposed yet.
01:56This decision will be taken by the leadership first.
01:59After that, we will consult with the United Nations.
02:02And this will be done under the law.
02:04This is a consultation.
02:05When this decision will be taken by the parliament,
02:07then every party will have to give its consent.
02:13We have with us Mr. Mohammad Malik, Mr. Athar Kazmi, Mr. Daniyal Chaudhary, and Mr. Usman Iqboon.
02:17We will also have Mr. Salmanak Raja with us.
02:20Mr. Malik.
02:23What are you doing?
02:24People's Party is doing a better job than me.
02:26We did not have a problem with the budget.
02:28Later, they passed the budget.
02:29They have left their things in this.
02:32We will see.
02:33They should have made Shajeer Mehman.
02:34It would have been clearer.
02:36We will see.
02:37They say that even though there were elections, this was wrong and that was wrong.
02:40Mr. Murad Ali Shah's words, I heard a little while ago.
02:42He is also traditional.
02:43He is with the provisors.
02:44It is seen that the PPP is on board.
02:47What does it say?
02:48It says that Mr. Tariq Khan should not be in the political party.
02:50Yes.
02:51No, he did all that, but he did not talk to us.
02:54So, I think everybody is on board.
02:56To be very honest.
02:57I do not think that Mr. Atar Kazmi could have held such a big press conference.
03:01He had three meetings with Mr. Nawaz Sharif in three days.
03:05After that, he came.
03:07After that, Mr. Mian Javed Latif.
03:08Mr. Mian Javed Latif is being considered as the front board of Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
03:12What Mr. Shahbaz Sharif does not do, Mr. Mian Javed Latif does.
03:16He said in a very tearful way that everything should be done.
03:20So, I think this decision should be made.
03:22Although yesterday he said that I am not in favor of it.
03:24No, but you heard today.
03:25Today, he was deceived by the press conference.
03:27So, I think everybody is on board.
03:30But you said that things are going on here.
03:33A new angle has been added to the conversation.
03:35That is of ad-hoc judges.
03:37Do you want to add to it?
03:39Yes, I want to add to it.
03:40I got this news in front of you, Mr. Malik.
03:42Yes, we were together.
03:43We were together over the weekend.
03:44Someone said that four ad-hoc judges are being brought and appointed.
03:47And they are appointed so that the balance of the Supreme Court can be strengthened again.
03:51But it is a very interesting thing.
03:52Mr. Kashyap, I was talking to two or three prominent lawyers about this.
03:56This is not so easy.
03:58Everything is doubted due to timing.
04:00If they had brought it eight months ago, there would have been no objection.
04:04All of you are saying that there is a balance.
04:06Because the Chief Justice camp has become a minority.
04:09But Mr. Masheer Alam has refused.
04:12Now, there are three left.
04:14Mr. Maqbool Baqir has not responded yet.
04:16Now, these three are understood to be the School of Thought.
04:19Mr. Faiz Issa shares it.
04:21But having said that, after the Procedure and Practices Act,
04:25the three members of the committee,
04:27they have to make a bench.
04:29After Faiz Issa...
04:30What will they do about the Supreme Court?
04:31I am talking about that.
04:32I was talking to Mr. Zubairi and a few other prominent lawyers.
04:35I asked them that if a full court is formed,
04:38will the ad-hoc judges automatically sit in it?
04:41There are two or three articles in this,
04:43which will also explain this.
04:45That while they have all the powers of a Supreme Court judge,
04:50the judges will have to decide whether they will sit or not.
04:55If they are judges, then they are judges.
04:57Yes.
04:58This is my reading too.
04:59It is a simple reading.
05:00It cannot be so simple.
05:02But Mr. Zubairi was saying...
05:04Mr. Raja will come and ask him.
05:05Mr. Zubairi was also saying that we are opposing this.
05:08He said that the statement will be released in some time.
05:10So, this is not so much of a shoo-in.
05:12This is not granted.
05:13This is a shoo-in that you have decided.
05:15So, these three judges will come.
05:16But it is a full court.
05:17Yes.
05:18It is a full court.
05:19Yes.
05:20All judges of the Supreme Court.
05:21Because now the question has arisen...
05:22It is not written all non-ad-hoc judges.
05:24Now the question has arisen that after the names of these three judges,
05:27people have started linking it.
05:30This means that the decision has been made that you have to ban it.
05:33The decision has been made that you have to put up Article 6
05:36so that this changed full court listens to it.
05:40Okay.
05:41So, there will be a lot of resistance on this.
05:42Outside the council too.
05:43And everyone.
05:44This is not so much of a shoo-in.
05:47So, this issue is very important.
05:50This has entered.
05:51A new angle has come in between.
05:52A new twist has come on this too.
05:55But are you seeing politics in this or not?
05:57First, give me a two cents when I go to...
05:59See.
06:00Does he see politics?
06:01I see politics because of the timing.
06:03Timing is very important.
06:04Let me tell you.
06:05We have had this conversation.
06:08Because this conversation has already happened.
06:10And this news has happened before it came.
06:12So, you know, I told you in the background that the news has come.
06:16And the coincidence of both of us.
06:18The news has come that there are four judges.
06:21The names of the judges were there.
06:22He will tell me.
06:23These are the four judges who are coming.
06:24And these ad hoc judges are being brought so that the balance can be tilted.
06:29This is your sense.
06:30The Supreme Court has its own sense.
06:31There is only one office of thought.
06:33That is why it seems to be more of a political element.
06:36Isn't it visible?
06:38Is it visible?
06:39Athar, do you see any political element in this?
06:41Look, this news has been going on for two or three days.
06:43As you know, even at that time, people were saying that Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib seems to have gone into the minority.
06:48And if there is such a decision, then there will be an attempt to balance it.
06:53Not balance.
06:54I mean, there will be an attempt to tilt it.
06:56It's a number game, isn't it?
06:58He has his own point of view.
06:59The way you see it.
07:00Now the issue is that on this occasion by Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib.
07:04Proposing the names of ad hoc judges.
07:07In that, the judge in whose decision is the decision of Sardar Tariq Masood regarding a military court.
07:15Then all the arrests of people of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
07:19The fundamental reason for that is the decision of Sardar Tariq Masood.
07:22In which he said that there cannot be a bail in unknown cases.
07:25Then he also said in the court that, I don't know, this is the basis.
07:29But he also gave a lot of relief to Cypher.
07:30What to do?
07:31Not even Cypher.
07:32The other two judges were walking that way.
07:34Yes.
07:35So, he also said about the fundamental rights.
07:40But look at this extraordinary stance of Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib.
07:46There are two things so far.
07:47One, where the fundamental human rights are discussed.
07:50His brother, the issue of judges is discussed.
07:52The issue of interference is discussed.
07:54He shows absolutely no connection with it.
07:57That there is a very extraordinary stance from any chief justice.
08:01To completely ignore this thing.
08:03That so many people are saying that this is happening.
08:05But he is paying attention to it.
08:07I don't know.
08:08I didn't do anything in front of him.
08:09Second, a retired judge who was the chief minister a few days ago.
08:13In that province, where there are serious allegations.
08:16Regarding the elections.
08:17People's Party says that 50% of them are thieves.
08:20MKM says that 100% of them are thieves.
08:23PTI says that he did not allow us to attend the convention.
08:26Now, will that personality again come to the Supreme Court and make decisions?
08:30So, this name that has to come forward.
08:32This is a very extraordinary decision of Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib.
08:35I am also behind it.
08:36The basis of this is that there are a lot of pending cases.
08:41They have been pending for 10 years.
08:43So many cases have been pending for the past 10 years.
08:45If he had done this 4 months ago.
08:48Then maybe no one would have raised eyebrows.
08:50What Dr. Alvi and Suri did.
08:54That was also 2 years ago.
08:56The judge who wrote this note.
08:59Whenever I remember, I don't even talk about it.
09:03And that judge is also included in this.
09:05Who said that Article 6 should be applied.
09:07Arif Alvi Sahib wrote an additional note.
09:09I think he probably apologized to himself.
09:12But his name has also been proposed.
09:14That Mr. Imran Khan, Arif Alvi and Qasim Suri.
09:17It is a thought.
09:18A specific thought.
09:19We thought, which was said.
09:21We thought bench.
09:22So, we thought.
09:24In politics, everything is timing.
09:26Timing makes one thing legitimate.
09:28And timing makes it illegitimate.
09:30Like yesterday, Mr. Tarar's press conference came.
09:33And all this was decided.
09:35If this had come before the Supreme Court decision.
09:38Its connotation would have been different.
09:40After the decision, after the reserve seat, everyone said.
09:42Look, now the Constitution has been passed.
09:44Now it's about doing this.
09:45So, this timing is bad timing.
09:47And this is a sort of.
09:49An impression of desperation is being formed.
09:51I think that these 2-3 steps.
09:54This has made the government look weaker.
09:57It didn't look very strong.
09:58I don't think they are investing so much political capital.
10:02At a time when there is a height of unpopularity.
10:05Electricity bills.
10:06Expenses.
10:07Economic hopelessness.
10:09So, I don't know.
10:11Why they are doing what they are doing.
10:13Especially after the 8-5 decision.
10:15After that, suddenly there is a flurry of activity.
10:18Sir, one sentence.
10:19Fundamentally, the decision is that.
10:21We have to frustrate the court.
10:23We don't want to get justice done on the decision.
10:25This is an issue.
10:26This is an issue of frustration.
10:27I was in a program.
10:28I will take it from Muneeb.
10:29We also had a debate.
10:30Take it from Muneeb.
10:31It was done on analysis.
10:32That it will be 8-5.
10:33They are trolling me.
10:35They knew the decision.
10:37I didn't know.
10:38Simple.
10:39You follow.
10:40Sir, don't say this.
10:41Don't say this.
10:42You follow the case.
10:43Sir, you are giving credit.
10:45And you don't want to take credit.
10:46No, you are giving for the wrong reasons.
10:48The fact is that you also talked about 4 judges.
10:51They also made an opinion about the judges.
10:53That this was their mind.
10:54When 13 people were sitting there.
10:56When you see their pass.
10:57When you see the questioning line of the judges.
10:59You get to know very clearly.
11:01Which judge is filtering where.
11:03It is very simple question.
11:04Sir, I am happy.
11:05I cover every page of the Supreme Court.
11:09I was talking to big people regularly.
11:12What is happening?
11:13Where is it going?
11:14Very few.
11:15Someone said that you will get these seats.
11:18Everyone thinks that the seats can neither be given to the Sunni Council.
11:22Nor can the government get it.
11:23I don't know what the decision will be.
11:24They will leave it empty.
11:25This can also happen.
11:26They will ask the parliament to make a law.
11:28This can also happen.
11:29I am here.
11:30Because of this, your 8-5 ways of justice.
11:33The seats or the decision in favor of it.
11:36Nobody was predicting this.
11:38Sir, you are not giving space for logic analysis in this country.
11:40Stop kidding with me, man.
11:41Don't do that.
11:42I am telling you.
11:43Don't do that.
11:44Logic.
11:45Now if people.
11:46You are arrested.
11:47And we poor people are not understanding.
11:49We were also seeing the proceedings that you were seeing.
11:51No one was understanding that this was going to happen.
11:53If I am more sensible than you, then it is not my fault.
11:55Now you people can't do it.
11:56I am very sorry.
11:57Sir, if someone teases you, accept it.
11:58No.
11:59Uncle, IQ is low.
12:00I can't blame you.
12:01Don't blame me for your IQ.
12:02Muneeb is with me.
12:03Today he has spoken very interestingly.
12:05Muneeb, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
12:06Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum, sir.
12:07Muneeb, tell me that this debate was taking place on the decision.
12:11Today we were in a program.
12:13You said that this decision has been made.
12:15That there will be no logic analysis on this Supreme Court decision.
12:19Tell us about your information.
12:21Mr. Ghazi, on this decision, basically, you know that this matter started yesterday.
12:28I gave you a reference in the afternoon.
12:31The words are ours.
12:34So, basically, you know the words from where they were.
12:38Now, the matter is a state decision.
12:41This is the sister's decision.
12:42But the way of justice, a very big decision came from the Supreme Court.
12:46About that, as clear and unequivocal as I can possibly be.
12:52Obviously, when you understand something like this,
12:55In my work, and if there is a very hot method to do it,
13:01there will be no implementation.
13:03So, obviously, the question is that if there is no implementation,
13:06it will lead to something, there will be contempt, something.
13:09Anyway, the Election Commission will see.
13:11The Election Commission has to do everything.
13:12The government does not reflect anywhere in between.
13:14The Election Commission is the Speaker National Assembly.
13:17So, there will be no implementation.
13:19It will not happen because judges have come out in the open.
13:22Since they have taken a position,
13:25or they have gone beyond their mandate.
13:28So, they cannot really blame us or anyone else.
13:33So, if it's like this, it's fine.
13:36So, you are saying that you were told that there will be no implementation.
13:39I wanted you to tell yourself that it came from you that there will be no implementation.
13:43Thank you very much. Muneeb Farooq was present.
13:45So, I wanted to ask you if there is any such thought, Mr. Daniyal Chaudhary.
13:48Yesterday, you held a press conference.
13:50You said that there will be a ban, etc.
13:53Anyway, the party policy is almost made.
13:55Some people are disagreeing with it.
13:58Will the Supreme Court's decision of 8-5 be implemented?
14:04In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
14:06Brother Kashyap, thank you for inviting me on the show.
14:08And let me comment a little first.
14:10If you talk about intelligence, then no one can go beyond Mr. Malik's intelligence.
14:14I am an eyewitness to that.
14:16Am I right, Mr. Malik?
14:18Sir, thank you.
14:20And as far as...
14:22Sir, we can also see the intelligence.
14:24Mr. Chaudhary, we can also see the intelligence.
14:26The problem is that...
14:28This is beyond intelligence.
14:30Brother Kashyap, I agree that they have done it.
14:32No, no.
14:34Let me tell you something.
14:36If I had a car, I would definitely own it.
14:38As a reporter, it is my job.
14:40You are saying that there was no information?
14:42Yes, there was an analysis.
14:44If there was information, it would have been a big news.
14:46There was no information, but their intelligence reaches there.
14:48It should reach everywhere.
14:50Listen to me.
14:52Mr. Chaudhary was saying for no reason.
14:54Judges have made the right decision.
14:56Even if Mr. Malik feels that this was the right decision,
14:58then it was the right decision.
15:04Sorry, sorry.
15:06We have about a year left.
15:08Are they acting on the ruling of Article 65?
15:14Brother Kashyap,
15:16Government has taken a policy stand.
15:18Their decision is in front of us.
15:20But as of right now,
15:22after meeting with the allies,
15:24and after having everyone on board,
15:26we have decided that we are going to review it.
15:28And whatever decision is made in the review,
15:30they have made their mandate greater than their mandate.
15:32And in the review,
15:34The mandate, he has given a bigger decision than his own mandate, but then all the misconceptions and things will be discussed, especially when we go to the review, and then the decision will be made.
15:46But he has a very limited scope. Mr. Chaudhary, you also know that there will be the same bench, a hearing with a limited scope, and maybe it will be different in two days, and the decision will also be the same.
15:55And all the judges are here. No one has retired.
15:59So you can't even add anyone.
16:01Yes, no, you are right, there will be a limited scope, but there are some things that will probably come out openly, the debate itself will come out openly, which will be of great importance, which will be discussed in that case as well.
16:16That debate is also very important, and I think that there will be some improvement in it, or some improvement in the detailed order.
16:26But when the decision is there, when the review decision or time is complete, or its decision comes, then the government is in line with the orders of the Supreme Court, and it will be implemented.
16:40But which is the implementing body, this will also be defined, if the Election Commission has to implement the decision, then I think that because it is an autonomous body, then it will take its own decision.
16:52So this is not the government's problem, it is obvious, as Muneeb also said, that this is the problem of the Election Commission of Pakistan.
16:59Mr. Salman Raja, are you in line?
17:01Yes, I am present.
17:03Mr. Salman Raja, Assalamu Alaikum.
17:05Walaikum Assalam.
17:07First of all, tell us about the ad-hoc judges, what is your sense of the four ad-hoc judges who are coming now?
17:12But it is obvious that because of the timing, the matter goes to the side of suspicion, in fact, it goes beyond suspicion, and it is regrettable.
17:21It seems that the intention to send this reference, in terms of banning PTI, in that regard, the court is trying to pack.
17:30That such judges should be seated in the court, who can give a positive decision.
17:36So this is a regrettable thing.
17:38Look, in front of the whole nation, you are making a joke of all the judicial practices, all the legal practices.
17:45And I say again and again that maybe you will succeed today, but you are failing Pakistan.
17:51You are telling the youth of Pakistan that there is no law in this country, there is no law, there is only power and the will of power.
18:00If there is such a country, then why should anyone associate any hope with this country?
18:05We talk about economy and we say that this is a jungle.
18:09Economy does not flourish in the jungle.
18:11Mr. Salman, Mr. Malik was asking a technical legal point earlier, let's ask you if you could answer it.
18:17Mr. Salman, when there will be ad-hoc judges, and let's say a full bench is formed,
18:24if a full court is formed, then this decision will be made, your three-member committee will decide,
18:31that the petition that comes tomorrow, let's say, to ban, Article 6, etc.,
18:37that full court is not necessarily necessary to be formed.
18:42Is it necessary that if a party is banned, then a full court bench will be formed,
18:47or that three-member committee can decide anything larger than five members, because that is the minimum.
18:53Or is it a moot question that automatically these ad-hoc judges will also be part of the bench?
18:59Because at one place the definition of the Supreme Court, Chief Justice and Judges comes.
19:04Then, in another article, there is a little ambiguity that ad-hoc judges, while they have powers of a Supreme Court judge,
19:12but their stature is a little different.
19:14So will they automatically sit on that bench, that let's say, if a full court bench is formed, then they will be automatically included?
19:23Look, if a full court is said to be a three-member committee, then they will be included.
19:29If you remember, on the 18th of April, there was a challenge.
19:32At that time, Mr. Ramdeh was an ad-hoc judge.
19:35He was sitting on that full court.
19:37But this is now a question of a three-member committee.
19:40It is not at all necessary that a full court is formed.
19:42They can sit five judges.
19:44They can sit seven judges.
19:45This is a matter of the same nature.
19:47There should be at least five.
19:49But there is no need for a full court.
19:51But if they want, they can say openly that the entire court, including the ad-hoc judges, will hear the matter.
19:58They can clarify this.
20:00There is no restriction on this that the ad-hoc judges will not be able to sit.
20:04But in a three-member committee, the split is clear.
20:08There is Mr. Faiz Ishaq, Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah, and Mr. Muneeb.
20:13So there are two versus one.
20:15Which two versus which one?
20:18There is one Mr. Justice.
20:20His thinking is different.
20:21Who is one and who is two?
20:23Sir, in the two benches that have been formed, Justice Mansoor Ali Shah, Justice Qazi Faiz Ishaq have prevailed and dissented Muneeb Akhtar.
20:33Yes, I am talking about the big one.
20:35Small dissents are allowed.
20:37This is a very big dissent.
20:39See, this bench was formed for preserved seats.
20:42It was formed from 2-1.
20:44Similarly, the bench that was formed in Punjab for election tribunals was also formed from 2-1.
20:49And that bench, as you know, has stopped all election tribunals from working in Punjab.
20:54Mr. Shahzad Ahmed Khan, the Chief Justice that was formed, the election tribunal, has been suspended.
21:00Practically, in Punjab, the elections, the petitions, the frauds, there was hope that the decision would be made.
21:09Now this bench has finished that hope, in my opinion.
21:12That is why it is very important how a three-member committee decides.
21:16In this, you cannot say from the beginning that what is the difference between 2-1.
21:19This is also changing.
21:21Sometimes 2 are on one side, sometimes 2 are on the other side.
21:24Mr. Zubairi was telling that those people are opposing this.
21:28He said that maybe a statement will come in a while.
21:31So this is not so much of a shoo-in.
21:33This is not a settled matter that judges come or don't come.
21:37They are still going to be...
21:39A hearing has been called on Friday, sir.
21:41Yes, yes.
21:42Sir, one judge has...
21:43Sir, voting will also be held.
21:45No, let me tell you.
21:46Look, we will continue to object.
21:48But this matter has to go to the Judicial Commission and then to the Parliamentary Committee.
21:53We know that the majority of the government is in the Judicial Commission at the moment.
21:58If two judges, Chief Justice and another judge,
22:02who supported the government in elevating Shehzad Ahmed Khan from the Lahore High Court,
22:09they are in the Judicial Commission at the moment.
22:12The majority of the government is in the Judicial Commission after the inclusion of two judges.
22:17So, if we go to the Parliamentary Committee,
22:19it seems that the government or the Chief Justice want the same thing.
22:25Both of them have the same desire at the moment.
22:27So, it is decided that this will happen.
22:31Okay.
22:32Mr. Zubairi, tell me one thing.
22:33This is a matter of adult judges.
22:35It will happen in the coming days.
22:37Mr. Khan has made a lot of criticism of India.
22:39And this 8-5 decision,
22:41this criticism is of merit.
22:43Merit means that yes, criticism is made.
22:45That is why we are doing it.
22:46Because we were already saying that PTI has no benefit of these seats.
22:50The number will increase.
22:51There will be a shame party.
22:52But the situation is like this.
22:53The matters will go on like this.
22:55Materially, nothing will change.
22:57But were there any plans of the government that were ruined after this decision?
23:02Why do you put all the things on me?
23:05Everyone had argued on this.
23:07We had also argued on this.
23:08We were listening to the plan that we will do three-year tenure posting of all the Chief Justices.
23:13High Court Chief Justices.
23:14It will be over in 8-6 years.
23:15And that style.
23:17And of course, the Chief Justice was the biggest beneficiary of that.
23:20In fact, I said in one or two shows of Jisarat that why don't you announce this?
23:26That if it is a good idea, then announce that I will not take it.
23:30The next CJS will take it.
23:32So that this argument ends and they get favoured.
23:34Although Hasnaat had also said that he will not take it.
23:36But later he was pointing out all kinds of situations that he will take it.
23:39So, I think the biggest loss that has been caused is the loss of this judicial move.
23:44The rest is fine.
23:45Now the people who will put on the show will put on more shows.
23:48But I think the times are changing.
23:51Everyone is losing hands.
23:52Mr. Mian came from America.
23:54He lost his hand.
23:55Not from America.
23:56Oh sorry, he came from Britain.
23:57So he lost his hand.
23:58He lost his hand with others too.
24:00He is losing his hand.
24:01Don't go ahead.
24:02He lost his hand with the Chief Justice too.
24:03Sir, some things have gone beyond the hands.
24:06So, sometimes the hands are fine.
24:08What happened?
24:09The hands are fine.
24:10Unfortunately, it has become too much of us versus them.
24:14I want to come to this in the next episode.
24:17Whose clash is this?
24:19And where will this clash go?
24:22But Mr. Khalid mentioned a plan in his press conference.
24:26I want Danyal Chaudhary and all of us to see
24:30if we really think that one plan, as you said,
24:33that one plan was his.
24:36But did Mr. Khalid talk about elections in October?
24:39I want to tell you that he is waiting for October and November.
24:43After that, he will also attack the 8th of February election.
24:47This is an agenda that is being followed.
24:52He will also attack the 8th of February election.
24:54The agenda is being followed.
24:55Is this really right?
24:56Look, the 8th of February election,
24:59now he is talking about October and November.
25:01He should be attacked anyway.
25:03He has destroyed the election himself.
25:06The role of the Election Commission is not me or you or Mr. Malik or any other person.
25:10The observations given by the judges of the Supreme Court
25:13and the detailed decision that will come,
25:15the things that will be written in it,
25:17will make the 8th of February election itself a post-mortem.
25:20The issue is, what guarantee does Mr. Khawaja have until October and November?
25:24That nothing will happen until October and November?
25:26This is a very surprising thing for me.
25:28That he is waiting for October and November.
25:31After October and November, will the Yugoslavia Act be enacted here?
25:34This will be the law, this will be the law, this will be the court.
25:37Then who is such a guarantor who is not afraid of Mr. Khawaja until October and November?
25:41So this was a very surprising thing for me.
25:44Ask Mr. Daniyal.
25:45Mr. Daniyal Chaudhary, what guarantee do you have until October and November?
25:48And is there anyone in your party who has a sense that
25:50there will be an attack on the 8th of February election,
25:53as Mr. Khawaja said, there will be an attack.
25:55Well, such elections should also be attacked.
25:58But do you have any fear that this is really going to happen through Adliya?
26:05Brother Kashif, no.
26:06The very big apprehension in this is that
26:10this is a very thought-provoking conspiracy.
26:13And in this, whichever country goes towards stability,
26:16then it is sometimes destabilized through such decisions,
26:19sometimes through the decisions of burning houses,
26:22sometimes through the decisions of giving them relief.
26:25Look, there is only one thing,
26:28if the DLA sits outside Pakistan and does a procession against Pakistan,
26:32then it is banned.
26:33It is also a non-state actor and it is also involved in non-state activities.
26:37But some people who sit outside the same building and do the procession,
26:42put up pictures of their soldiers and give them certificates of treason.
26:46They call them thieves, robbers, I don't know what they call them.
26:50They say to the IMF that if you dialogue with Pakistan,
26:53then we will set fire to Pakistan, we will close it.
26:56But they are not allowed to release them.
26:59Sir, you have also put a lot of pressure on the soldiers,
27:02Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
27:03There is some conspiracy.
27:04I will tell you, many times they also say that
27:07the country should be destroyed, Jarnail should return, Nawaz Sharif.
27:10And the soldiers…
27:13No, no, no.
27:14Look, you, Pakistan, their thinking…
27:17Look, tell me, they had a government in Punjab,
27:20they had a government in KPK,
27:22they had the whole country,
27:24they dissolved the parliament.
27:26They completely derailed the government.
27:28Yes, but what is illegal in this?
27:30Tell me one thing.
27:31Why did they try to do this?
27:33Mr. Jarnail, I…
27:34Tell me what is illegal.
27:35Sir, tell me to make me happy.
27:37What is illegal and what is illegal in this?
27:40Pakistan…
27:41Look, when you are bringing against them,
27:44we are bringing a move to remove them.
27:47Sir, it is written in the constitution that
27:49they can break the assembly.
27:51They can't dissolve the parliament.
27:53No, no, no.
27:54They picked up the cipher.
27:56No, no, no.
27:57Kashif bhai, not like this.
27:59They picked up the cipher,
28:00the cipher fluttered
28:01and dissolved the national assembly.
28:04Why did they do this?
28:06Why did they do this?
28:07Because they wanted to destabilize Pakistan.
28:09These are the same people who
28:11when the president of China was coming to Pakistan,
28:14he was sitting on the D-chalk and said
28:16that we will not let him come.
28:18These are the same people
28:19when we were negotiating with the IMF
28:21for the poor, for the unemployed,
28:23for the workers,
28:24we were having a dialogue.
28:25He was saying that
28:26when you talk to the poor,
28:27the country will be closed.
28:28They talk about your military commanders.
28:30They burn the bodies of your martyrs.
28:32They set fire to their buildings.
28:34They set fire to their ships.
28:36Wait a second.
28:37Wait a second.
28:38Wait here.
28:39Sir, sir, sir.
28:40I understood what you said and heard it.
28:42Those who have done wrong,
28:44they should be prosecuted by law.
28:46It is not possible.
28:48Look, your argument is wrong.
28:50It is not possible that
28:52some people took a step forward,
28:54someone did something,
28:56and you say, sir,
28:57we will end politics from this country.
28:59Is this an argument,
29:00a logical argument?
29:01That we will end a political party?
29:03Look, in this country,
29:04everyone says that
29:05politicians are thieves.
29:06Tomorrow, it will be said
29:07that we will end politics.
29:08This is not an argument.
29:09You should be prosecuted by law.
29:11Who has done wrong against him?
29:13The thought that talks about
29:15breaking Pakistan,
29:17the thought that talks about
29:19Mukti Bani,
29:20the thought that talks about 1971,
29:22the thought that talks about
29:23dividing Pakistan,
29:24whoever that thought is,
29:26listen to me,
29:27whoever that thought is,
29:29when that non-American actor,
29:31when that non-American actor
29:33is protesting against Pakistan,
29:35then you cannot sit with him
29:36and have negotiations.
29:37You cannot give him relief.
29:39Mr. Daniyal,
29:40Mr. Nawaz Sharif had said,
29:41Sheikh Mujib was not a traitor
29:43of Pakistan,
29:44he was loyal.
29:45We took him to that place.
29:46How many times did he say
29:47that you are the party?
29:48Look, because you have come
29:49to that place where
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29:51he clearly said that
29:52he is a traitor.
29:53Today, you say that he is a traitor.
29:55When you used to take the names
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