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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:03 Today, once again, the Supreme Court presented the case of Imran Khan,
00:08 the current chairman of the Supreme Court.
00:11 It was presented via video link.
00:13 Once again, the controversy arose as to why this case was not presented live.
00:18 Until Imran Khan was presented via video link, this case was being presented live.
00:24 But in the previous case, it was decided that it would not be presented live.
00:29 When the case started, Advocate General Khaibal Pakhtunkhwan stood up and made a request
00:33 and said that this should be presented live.
00:36 This is a matter of public interest.
00:38 Chief Justice of Pakistan said that this is not a matter of public interest.
00:41 This is a technical matter.
00:42 That is why there is no need to present it live.
00:44 And he was asked to sit down.
00:47 At that time, when Justice Athar Mirzalla said that since it was presented live earlier,
00:51 why is it not being presented now?
00:53 The judges took a 55-minute break and decided that this case would not be presented live.
01:01 When the hearing was going on, I thought that there would be some evidence of this kind.
01:07 It would be given in a decision or an order.
01:09 Because Imran Khan is a criminal who is being punished.
01:12 He is in jail.
01:13 That is why his rights, not those of the rights of the rest of the common citizens,
01:17 I thought that such evidence would be given.
01:20 And such evidence usually has a weight.
01:23 You cannot give a convict a chance to speak and people should listen to him.
01:28 But if this is the case, then he was coming to the Supreme Court as a petitioner.
01:32 That is why that evidence was not very strong, but it was still an evidence.
01:36 But after today's hearing, when the judges went and came back,
01:39 I think they did not want to show it live.
01:42 This is not a matter of technicality.
01:46 This is not a matter of law.
01:48 This is a matter of liking or disliking and somewhere or the other it is a political matter.
01:53 Because of which these proceedings are not being shown live today.
01:58 Let's see what happens at the next hearing.
02:01 But we will try to find out from our guests what happened.
02:05 This decision was made from 4 to 1, but why did the situation come to this?
02:09 Do the Supreme Court and judges decide by looking at who is on the video link at this time,
02:15 who is standing in front of us on the rostrum, or do they look at the cases and the way the case should be handled?
02:20 That is how it works.
02:22 We will find out from our guests about this.
02:25 On the other hand, Justice Mandokhil Sahib mentioned that speech that Shabaz Sharif Sahib made two days ago.
02:32 In which he called many judges black sheep and said that they make decisions day and night in favor of Imran Khan or Imran Niazi.
02:41 When this started, Justice Mandokhil Sahib said that it is a very good thing that when the decisions of your choice come,
02:48 then the court is very good and if there are no decisions of your choice, then these are black sheep.
02:52 He made the point completely correct.
02:54 So we said that we will show you when the court is very good for Shabaz Sharif Sahib and when these black sheep become.
03:00 Just listen.
03:02 The court has given such a decision that has saved the Pakistan's honor.
03:07 The court has given such a decision that has saved the Pakistan's honor.
03:16 When the decision did not come according to their will, then the words that Imran Niazi said are part of the record.
03:27 So now these black sheep, as Justice Sattar Minala Sahib said, are not black sheep, they are black bumblebees.
03:45 And also he said that if there are black sheep, then references should be sent against them, which is a method.
03:51 Anyway, this debate also went ahead.
03:54 On the other hand, there was a dialogue with Imran Khan Sahib, the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
03:58 Imran Khan Sahib said that there is a one-window operation.
04:01 He said that he is not allowed to meet my lawyers, whose permission was given.
04:04 He said that Mr. Haris will be able to meet as many men as he wants.
04:07 And a letter has also been written to the British Embassy from the Supreme Court.
04:13 The British Ambassador gave a speech.
04:16 There is a letter in response to that speech.
04:18 We will tell you that speech in a while.
04:20 He said about the 8th February elections that a political party was snatched away from a political party on the basis of political reasons.
04:29 He was present at the Asma Jahangir Conference.
04:32 The answer to this was written by the Supreme Court on the request of the Chief Justice of Pakistan, Justice Qazi Faiz Zia.
04:38 In this, many incidents of the past have also been given references, whether the incident of the fall of the Musaddik government in 1953 or the state of Sehuni.
04:50 Many such references have been given.
04:52 Should the Supreme Court have written such a letter?
04:55 Mr. Hasnaat Malik is present with us. Thank you very much.
04:57 Raja is present. Thank you very much.
04:58 Both brothers cover the Supreme Court.
05:00 Tell us, is this a gift from the Chief Justice of Pakistan that what will go live and what will not go live?
05:09 Look, this matter was an administrative decision in the full court by the majority.
05:14 And in that, two committees were formed in which Justice Atar Minalla and Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar,
05:19 they will make SOPs that how will the cases be in live streaming, what will happen.
05:24 They made SOPs and in that it was that every case of 184.3, public interest, will be live telecast, that is, it will be broadcast live.
05:34 Whether it is technical or public interest.
05:38 Now, the Supreme Court Practice and Future Act was more technical than that.
05:42 The first case, which Justice Qazi Faiz was in, which was in the full court, so that went.
05:48 So, after that, it was also that the common cases, that too after 4 o'clock, it will be available on the recording website of the Supreme Court.
05:57 Now, the Supreme Court is not following its SOPs.
06:01 Pick and choose happens.
06:02 Is this pick and choose?
06:03 Absolutely pick and choose.
06:04 Is there any doubt in this?
06:05 If it was not for Imran Khan Sahib, if it was someone else, then this would be live.
06:08 Absolutely.
06:09 Now, the judicial order has come, we will have to see the reasoning that Justice Qazi Faiz or the four judges who have denied, what is the reason for that?
06:16 And why was Justice Atar Minnallah saying that this is a matter of public interest?
06:19 If a judge thinks that it should be shown live, this is a matter of public interest, Justice Atar Minnallah, it means that there is no legal dispute in it.
06:27 See, now, things to be seen in this is what they see, what reason they give.
06:32 Now, because 55 minutes.
06:34 Last time also we were thinking the same.
06:35 If the money comes, let's see what reason they give.
06:37 Remember, when you were here after the last hearing.
06:39 Absolutely, this is the thing.
06:40 At that time also he said, let's see what reason they give.
06:42 Now, the judge or the lawyer has both kinds of reasons.
06:46 They have their mind and heart, it works the same way.
06:49 Otherwise, there were no elections within 90 days.
06:51 In that regard, Justice Qazi Sahib is silent.
06:53 And on one hand, you have deprived a party of its symbol on the procedural level.
06:58 And what are the consequences of that?
07:00 I will come to that, Mr. Parbhoj.
07:01 When we come to the letter, we come to that.
07:03 I am saying that the discretion of the judges in this matter, that is very much.
07:07 55 minutes of their debate or deliberations, after that 4 minutes.
07:12 So, it seems that this matter was not so simple.
07:15 That these 55 to 50 minutes judges have discussed with each other
07:20 whether we want to show it live or not.
07:22 So, I think that.
07:24 55 minutes.
07:25 Yes, absolutely.
07:26 Four judges on one side, let's say five people go.
07:28 Three people have to decide whether we can show it live or not.
07:31 And two you say that it cannot be shown live, it is a convict.
07:34 It is not legally allowed.
07:36 How long will I debate with you?
07:38 5 minutes, 10 minutes, what will be the debate for 55 minutes?
07:40 Let's not preempt it.
07:42 We are not going to say that why are you not showing it live.
07:45 But there has been a long debate.
07:47 Kashif, there has definitely been a long debate.
07:49 Because we have seen that in such cases,
07:53 the judge usually does not debate for more than 8 to 10 minutes.
07:57 They come, the decision is made immediately.
07:59 Then whatever is the case, it is carried on.
08:01 But surprisingly, today, the application of Advocate General KPK,
08:07 there were no arguments on it.
08:09 I was going to ask you the next question of Mati's tweet.
08:11 Matiullah has tweeted, and because obviously the Supreme Court also covers that,
08:15 that the Advocate General did not even start the argument on his request
08:18 that two judges present on the bench,
08:20 like Qazi Fahid Sahib and Saif Ahmedullah,
08:22 there was a dispute, the bench raised for deliberation and gave a decision.
08:26 Neither did the Advocate General give arguments on it,
08:28 nor did any team oppose it.
08:30 And this decision came out immediately.
08:32 Now it will be interesting.
08:34 What is the process of the court?
08:36 See, usually the request that is being made,
08:38 it is also heard, that is, the lawyer is also heard.
08:40 Then the opinion of the other party is also taken.
08:42 All the orders of the court,
08:44 see, the order is also written that the Learned Council said this,
08:48 the other party said this, we reached this conclusion,
08:50 this is the order of the court.
08:52 Now the interesting thing is that,
08:54 neither the Learned Council said anything, nor did they ask,
08:57 we ourselves reached this conclusion without hearing,
09:00 that this should not be shown live.
09:02 The Learned Council said, "Listen to me, listen to me."
09:05 And they were told the same thing,
09:07 which was also said in the hearing last time,
09:09 that you sit down.
09:11 And finally, when they saw it,
09:13 when they were disappointed,
09:15 they said that before proceeding,
09:17 you should decide on my request for direct deliberation.
09:20 In the meantime, Justice Atar Minnalla also gave remarks on this issue,
09:23 that this live should be shown.
09:25 And Justice Jamal Bandopal...
09:27 This means that there was no legal action.
09:29 No, definitely not.
09:31 Because if there was, then obviously,
09:33 there should not be a convict, a criminal on punishment.
09:35 But this should have been heard too.
09:37 If it was so, then the Attorney General should have been heard.
09:39 First, the lawyer should have been heard by the lawyer,
09:41 then the Attorney General should have been heard.
09:43 This is also a unique incident of its own,
09:45 that the lawyer should have been heard,
09:47 and his request should have been decided.
09:49 I think this tendency is also not appropriate in Pakistan.
09:52 On one minute argument, there were 55 minute deliberations.
09:55 Argument was not done by Malik sir.
09:57 The argument was that the request should be shown.
09:59 Look at the background of this.
10:01 When Justice Qazi Faisal was on the presidential reference,
10:03 the review petition said that my case should be published directly.
10:06 It was Imran Khan's government,
10:08 they opposed it.
10:10 And today, Imran Khan's government,
10:13 KP government is saying that the case should be published directly,
10:16 and Justice Qazi Faisal rejected it.
10:18 They are opposing it.
10:20 I had an idea of what the result of this direct request would be.
10:23 Because when we were going to the courtroom in the morning,
10:25 there were extra security measures.
10:27 Usually, the door we enter through,
10:29 we come out of it.
10:31 There is a lot of panic in the Supreme Court today.
10:33 A lot of panic.
10:35 Why? Because they don't want to take a picture?
10:37 A lot of panic.
10:39 I have not seen so much panic in the Supreme Court in 15 years.
10:41 I have been in the Supreme Court for more than 15 years.
10:45 Who are you? Show us.
10:47 Search us.
10:49 We searched every lawyer.
10:51 And we saw that the chairs were empty.
10:53 And there were more security people.
10:59 So, this panic,
11:01 I don't understand,
11:03 the narrative of the executive,
11:05 the Supreme Court is following it.
11:07 So, if you have independence,
11:09 Justice Sattar Minnala was saying that
11:11 we don't want to give this impression
11:13 that we are an independent court.
11:15 We don't want to follow the narrative of anyone else.
11:17 But he was alone.
11:19 It is obvious that the 55 minute deliberation,
11:21 the other judges,
11:23 why they have agreed with the Chief Justice,
11:25 this is also a question.
11:27 Have the other judges agreed?
11:29 I don't think so.
11:31 I am sure about this.
11:33 100%.
11:35 100%.
11:37 The equation in the Supreme Court,
11:39 the 4-1,
11:41 is in the Supreme Court's decision.
11:43 So, you don't think so?
11:45 No, no, no.
11:47 No surprise.
11:49 But he is right.
11:51 If someone has an objection,
11:53 I have seen many proceedings,
11:55 if someone agrees,
11:57 you can see that they are agreeing.
11:59 Maybe Justice Sattar Minnala
12:01 was being tried to make him agree.
12:03 This is a big thing.
12:05 But still, he didn't agree.
12:07 Look, whether Imran Khan
12:09 should join this proceeding or not,
12:11 there was a disagreement on this too.
12:13 But he said that he should be heard.
12:15 He should come.
12:17 How can the petitioner not be heard?
12:19 And this is what Justice Qazi Fahid
12:21 has said from the beginning
12:23 that it will be very difficult for him.
12:25 He is Imran Khan.
12:27 Then he went up and
12:29 that deliberation was very low
12:31 and they agreed in that.
12:33 We have decided that
12:35 he will join through a video link.
12:37 The middle way.
12:39 He is saying that he has seen
12:41 this environment for the first time.
12:43 You too have seen this environment for the first time?
12:45 We have not seen such an environment.
12:47 I have seen many things for the first time in the last 6 months.
12:49 You must have seen it outside the courtroom.
12:51 Inside and outside, both places.
12:53 Because inside and outside,
12:55 the environment is almost the same.
12:57 We were entering from one door of courtroom 1
12:59 and exiting from the other door
13:01 which is the external pathway.
13:03 Usually, we enter from the door
13:05 from which we come out.
13:07 Extra security measures were also there
13:09 and checking was also being done
13:11 at one place.
13:13 Extra security was also being done
13:15 outside the courtroom.
13:17 Then as soon as you enter the courtroom,
13:19 there are 3 screens on your left,
13:21 right and front.
13:23 The reason for those screens
13:25 was that if a person
13:27 has come from outside,
13:29 then there should not be any picture.
13:31 But last time also,
13:33 there was a fear of pictures.
13:35 How can you imagine
13:37 that they would have shown a video
13:39 that there was no picture?
13:41 But the problem is that
13:43 after last month's investigation,
13:45 it is not difficult to say that there was no picture.
13:47 But there was no clarity in it.
13:49 But there was no clarity in it.
13:51 If you are caught once,
13:53 then you will be caught twice.
13:55 It was the same there also.
13:57 Tell me, the letter
13:59 that has been written to the British Embassy,
14:01 is it normal
14:03 that an ambassador
14:05 who has spoken about the election
14:07 before the 8th February election,
14:09 has been criticized?
14:11 The whole of Pakistan is criticizing him.
14:13 The Supreme Court is still defending him.
14:15 And then there are past incidents
14:17 that you have also done this,
14:19 the British did this in 1917,
14:21 and did this in 1937.
14:23 How normal is this?
14:25 Whoever you are talking to,
14:27 they are saying that
14:29 this was an unnecessary thing.
14:31 The speech of the British High Commissioner
14:33 was not heard by many people.
14:35 But when this letter came in front of Mandiram,
14:37 and it seems that
14:39 this letter came from the Supreme Court.
14:41 This letter was leaked
14:43 not from the UK High Commissioner.
14:45 not from the UK High Commissioner.
14:47 So after that,
14:49 the question was,
14:51 has the Supreme Court at this time,
14:53 the Supreme Court means Chief Justice
14:55 and all other judges,
14:57 has there been a consultation with them?
14:59 The second thing is that the review of the 13th January decision
15:01 should be given such an observation.
15:03 Then there is a lot of contradiction.
15:05 We are talking about live streaming,
15:07 we have seen live streaming.
15:09 Where there is a concern of some people's
15:11 powerful circle,
15:13 there is no live streaming in those cases.
15:15 So the credit that Justice Qazi Faisal used to take
15:17 in live streaming,
15:19 if he would have given it today,
15:21 if he would have given permission for live streaming,
15:23 then the matter would have been resolved.
15:25 Otherwise, I think that there is no one.
15:27 The credit that they are taking is not.
15:29 The Supreme Court has decided
15:31 that majority of judges in the Supreme Court
15:33 have decided that live streaming
15:35 in all cases should be allowed.
15:37 The division in the Supreme Court is very interesting.
15:39 Some are saying that what was the need to write a letter.
15:41 I saw a tweet in which it was written
15:43 that the translators of East India Company
15:45 will come and disagree.
15:47 I am sure you people know
15:49 what kind of internal fights you have.
15:51 But your take on this letter should not have been written.
15:53 Is this a consensus?
15:55 I think this was inappropriate.
15:57 I think that
15:59 this can also spoil
16:01 the relations between your two countries.
16:03 We will have to see
16:05 whether the Foreign Office was on board
16:07 and whether the Foreign Office was allowed.
16:09 I will give you an example.
16:11 There was a conference of judges in India
16:13 during the time of the former Chief Justice.
16:15 The Chief Justice wrote a letter
16:17 to the Foreign Office
16:19 asking them to tell
16:21 that we have received an invitation
16:23 and we should go.
16:25 The Chief Justice informed them
16:27 about the situation of the relations between the two countries.
16:29 After that, no judge from our country
16:31 physically participated in the conference.
16:33 We will have to see this matter.
16:35 Tomorrow, the weekly briefing of the Department of State
16:37 will surely reveal this.
16:39 The Attorney General has confirmed
16:41 that this meeting was held through the Foreign Office.
16:43 Okay.
16:45 If you look at it,
16:47 when you meet a political leadership,
16:49 the proper channel is through the Foreign Office.
16:51 You approach everything from there.
16:53 If Mr. Malik is saying that
16:55 the Foreign Office knew about this,
16:57 then we will have to see whether the Foreign Office
16:59 allowed this.
17:01 This is a matter of the relations between the two countries.
17:03 Sir, more than that,
17:05 it is a matter of sanctity and constitution.
17:07 I have to personally...
17:09 Justification is to give your own decision.
17:11 That is not appropriate.
17:13 One more thing is that
17:15 the British Commissioner
17:17 had said these things in the election on 8th February.
17:19 On 9th or 10th February,
17:21 the same statement was made
17:23 by the Foreign Minister.
17:25 Yes, but the problem is that
17:27 we see that we have internal issues in Pakistan.
17:29 We will sort out our internal differences.
17:31 The outside world says
17:33 that you should stay away from this.
17:35 There is no need to take this issue.
17:37 In the end,
17:39 like Mandukheer mentioned about the black sheep,
17:41 and judges, obviously,
17:43 everyone knows who Mr. Shabaz Sharif is pointing to.
17:45 So, his statement was that
17:47 most of the judges have a Pakistani mentality.
17:49 But there are a few black sheep
17:51 who are ready to be punished.
17:53 They are being consulted day and night
17:55 about how to release them
17:57 and how to end their crimes.
17:59 He is talking about the current judges.
18:01 And on 8th February, he lied
18:03 that he is talking about the old judges.
18:05 Yes, this was obvious.
18:07 And that is why,
18:09 Justice Sartar Minnalla
18:11 challenged without a message.
18:13 He said that there are no black sheep.
18:15 If there are, then file a reference.
18:17 File a reference.
18:19 He is saying that he feels
18:21 that the authorities are very mischievous.
18:23 They defend something all the time.
18:25 No, that is obvious.
18:27 The interesting thing is that
18:29 the distribution of judges
18:31 is still in the hands of the PDM government.
18:33 Mr. Bandyal and the judges
18:35 were saying that they have given
18:37 many releases to Imran Khan.
18:39 Now, these judges,
18:41 like we have said many times,
18:43 they were never the favourites of the PDI
18:45 and they were always the opponents
18:47 of the appointment of Justice Sartar.
18:49 Justice Sartar Minnalla?
18:51 Yes, exactly.
18:53 Now, they are saying that
18:55 they are the favourites.
18:57 Justice Sartar Minnalla
18:59 opened a court on the weekday
19:01 and asked Nawaz Sharif to release them.
19:03 He guaranteed that their lives
19:05 will not be affected.
19:07 He guaranteed that they will live.
19:09 I still remember that statement.
19:11 I am not sure about the favourites
19:13 but I think that the hands
19:15 of the politicians have been opened.
19:17 Those who want to say that
19:19 they are united.
19:21 And because they were saying
19:23 this to the other opponents,
19:25 they were happy.
19:27 Now, the role is that
19:29 what will they say?
19:31 One thing is that Justice Qazi Faiza
19:33 was silent in this matter.
19:35 He did not endorse the point of view
19:37 of the other judges.
19:39 All the political parties
19:41 have criticized him badly.
19:43 You can see Justice Sartar Minnalla,
19:45 Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qiani,
19:47 Justice Babar Sartar,
19:49 Justice Tariq Jahangiri.
19:51 All the things that are being
19:53 discussed on social media,
19:55 you know that when a judge
19:57 asks a question,
19:59 Attorney General says that
20:01 he was talking about someone else.
20:03 It is a very difficult job.
20:05 No, it is not a difficult job.
20:07 You cannot force me to sit here.
20:09 I am not sitting here.
20:11 Everyone is on board.
20:13 Welcome back, Naazneen.
20:15 We have with us Mr. Rahul Hassan.
20:17 He is a translator.
20:19 He is the Secretary of Central
20:21 Information.
20:23 A letter has been issued
20:25 by the FIA to the Deputy Director.
20:27 It is written in the letter
20:29 that we were browsing the internet
20:31 and it has been seen that
20:33 Imran Khan has created
20:35 an account called PTI
20:37 and has promoted
20:39 anti-state activities.
20:41 Anti-state narratives have been
20:43 created which are misleading
20:45 and intimidating.
20:47 Misinformation against state
20:49 institutions should be
20:51 investigated against them.
20:53 And 4.2 million people have
20:55 seen this. The last part of it
20:57 is that subject matter needs
20:59 further probe and investigation.
21:01 Therefore, it is recommended
21:03 that necessary legal action
21:05 should be taken against Imran Khan.
21:07 And
21:09 PICA comes under 2016.
21:11 Tell me,
21:13 you met Imran Khan today.
21:15 Yes.
21:17 He has made this video and uploaded it.
21:19 He has made this video. He is in jail.
21:21 How can he upload a video?
21:23 He uploaded it with his approval.
21:25 I don't think so.
21:27 You met him. You didn't ask him about
21:29 this big issue.
21:31 We didn't know about this
21:33 issue.
21:35 We went there around 1 pm.
21:37 We didn't talk about this in detail.
21:39 But he has said
21:41 that obviously he was
21:43 totally unaware of this.
21:45 If we say in Urdu, Mr. Khan didn't know about this video?
21:47 No, he didn't know at all.
21:49 How can this be?
21:51 Everyone knows that Imran Khan PTI is his Twitter account.
21:53 If he is his own, then he is not
21:55 operating it at the moment.
21:57 I will have to inquire
21:59 about this.
22:01 I don't handle it in social media.
22:03 But all your MNAs and MPAs
22:05 must have retweeted it.
22:07 It must be in their personal capacity.
22:09 I know that
22:11 your social media team
22:13 calls people
22:15 and asks them to retweet it.
22:17 The social media team was doing this.
22:19 If the social media team was doing this,
22:21 then obviously they were doing it.
22:23 I know that
22:25 social media does not come under my ambit.
22:27 So I don't handle it.
22:29 I am independent on it.
22:31 It is operated from outside Pakistan.
22:33 So you are saying that
22:35 social media is doing this by itself.
22:37 You people don't know about it.
22:39 Mr. Khan doesn't know about it.
22:41 And such an important video
22:43 was released.
22:45 I will have to inquire about it.
22:47 I will have to do an exhaustive inquiry
22:49 in the party.
22:51 I will have to talk to my social media people.
22:53 Why didn't you delete the video?
22:55 If you think that Mr. Khan didn't do anything,
22:57 then I will have to do it.
22:59 I have been so busy
23:01 because of my personal crisis.
23:03 I have not been able to watch it.
23:05 I don't even know
23:07 what we are talking about.
23:09 I have heard it from people.
23:11 People have talked to me.
23:13 But I have not been able to watch
23:15 this video.
23:17 Sir, you are a translator.
23:19 Yes, I am.
23:21 There are TV programs on it.
23:23 There was a TV program on it
23:25 and you didn't watch it.
23:27 I am telling you
23:29 that I had some personal engagements.
23:31 I had some engagements of the party.
23:33 Even the chairman of the party,
23:35 Secretary General, Umar Ayub,
23:37 didn't watch it.
23:39 They asked me to delete it.
23:41 When people talked to me,
23:43 I had made up my mind
23:45 that I will watch it.
23:47 I have to talk to the concerned people
23:49 tonight.
23:51 Do you think you will be deleted?
23:53 I will talk to them tonight.
23:55 I will definitely talk to them.
23:57 Do you think you will be deleted?
23:59 If there is anything objectionable
24:01 in it and you are saying
24:03 that it can be objectionable,
24:05 I will discuss it with the social media team
24:07 who sit in America.
24:09 I will talk to them and tell them
24:11 to delete it if they want to.
24:13 If they want to amend it,
24:15 they can do so.
24:17 Whatever it is,
24:19 it should be according to our narrative.
24:21 It should not be leaked.
24:23 The Pakistani National Command is meeting.
24:25 The high ranking officers of the army
24:27 are meeting.
24:29 The state institutions,
24:31 especially the Pakistan Army,
24:33 are being used to carry out
24:35 digital terrorism
24:37 with the help of foreign
24:39 agents to achieve the political objectives.
24:41 The aim of this is to create
24:43 disappointment among the Pakistani people
24:45 and to create a divide between the
24:47 state institutions, especially the
24:49 Pakistan Army.
24:51 The aim of this is to bring the
24:53 conspirators and the criminals
24:55 and the people who are behind it
24:57 into the box and to establish
24:59 the law.
25:01 Digital terrorism.
25:03 I am sure you are referring to this.
25:05 I don't understand how they can
25:07 use the word digital terrorism.
25:09 If there is an issue,
25:11 it should be objectively analyzed
25:13 and evaluated.
25:15 I will go to America later in the evening
25:17 and talk to them.
25:19 I will meet them and
25:21 see what they have to say.
25:23 They will decide.
25:25 But this is a very serious issue.
25:27 Does Mr. Khan use his Twitter handle?
25:29 No, he doesn't.
25:31 He doesn't handle it himself.
25:33 Does he have a phone?
25:35 No, he doesn't.
25:37 He doesn't have a telephone.
25:39 He just doesn't have a telephone.
25:41 Mr. Khan used to say that the army
25:43 is more important to this country than him.
25:45 He used to say that.
25:47 He used to mention this
25:49 during our conversations.
25:51 That the army is more important.
25:53 Do you do this with the army?
25:55 No, Mr. Khan.
25:57 You have raised your hand
25:59 and said that you have nothing to do with the PTI.
26:01 I issue statements daily.
26:03 No one can tell me that
26:05 the statements that are released
26:07 from our party's platform
26:09 never talk about the institution
26:11 or the people.
26:13 It never happens.
26:15 Digital media
26:17 is not controlled
26:19 by a single person.
26:21 The people who are working
26:23 at the moment
26:25 are not our employees.
26:27 What are you saying?
26:29 The Twitter handle of Imran Khan
26:31 is the biggest Twitter handle
26:33 in Pakistan.
26:35 I am not disputing it.
26:37 Did you give the same man in America?
26:39 Last week, Mr. Khan was there.
26:41 He must have made a decision
26:43 at some stage.
26:45 I was not consulted in that.
26:47 Someone had to handle it.
26:49 I will talk about it today.
26:51 I will see what is the status.
26:53 We will put a system in place
26:55 that if there is a digression
26:57 or a mistake,
26:59 we will make sure that it does not happen in the future.
27:01 With approvals.
27:03 We will put a proper mechanism
27:05 in place
27:07 so that
27:09 after clearance,
27:11 the investigation will be carried out.
27:13 Most welcome to the investigation.
27:15 If you want to talk to me,
27:17 I am a state talker.
27:19 I will just tell them the whole truth.
27:21 I have told you the actual truth.
27:23 Will any PTI person object
27:25 if the FIA comes to investigate?
27:27 No.
27:29 If a bona fide organization
27:31 or a Pakistani agency wants to investigate,
27:33 they have the right to do so.
27:35 We will present our point of view.
27:37 Absolutely.
27:39 Do you see yourself in a difficult situation?
27:41 You put yourself in a difficult situation.
27:43 You have created difficulties for yourself.
27:45 Do you think that
27:47 you will be in a difficult situation again?
27:49 I have faced so many difficulties
27:51 that it has become easy for me.
27:53 It has been two years.
27:55 It is a different story.
27:57 I do not want to get involved in it again and again.
27:59 Whatever happened with PTI,
28:01 with us, is happening.
28:03 We may not be able to issue such statements.
28:05 I categorically state that
28:07 if there is any objectionable thing
28:09 in the letter that you have read to me,
28:11 I will definitely talk to him today
28:13 and try to get him out of this situation.
28:15 I have met Imran Khan today.
28:17 Do you have any plan to get him out?
28:19 Do you think that he will be released
28:21 or will he remain in Lagra for some time?
28:23 The situation that is being presented,
28:25 the attitudes that are being presented,
28:27 the things that have happened in the court,
28:29 you have seen in the case of Iddat,
28:31 the thing that is being presented
28:33 is that they will delay it
28:35 so that they do not execute
28:37 Imran Khan in some other case.
28:39 I am very clear on this issue.
28:41 Just like what happened in the case of Iddat,
28:43 the judge wrote a letter
28:45 and said that he will remain in the case
28:47 and some other case will be made.
28:49 Yes, he will make the case and then
28:51 he will keep him in that case.
28:53 But we have been talking about this
28:55 for a long time, looking at the justice of the law.
28:57 You will also have to find a way
28:59 to achieve what you want to achieve.
29:01 If you want to straighten the system,
29:03 then your negotiations will be with the political parties
29:05 and then you will straighten the system.
29:07 Yesterday Arif Alvi said that
29:09 Imran Khan wants to talk to the people of the state.
29:11 Last time we also talked about this.
29:13 What will they give you?
29:15 What can be the discussion
29:17 if you are in the middle of the law?
29:19 You cannot have a discussion.
29:21 If they go out of the law,
29:23 then you will have a discussion with them.
29:25 We will have a discussion only
29:27 if we are in the middle of the law.
29:29 You know about the three parties.
29:31 They have stolen the mandate.
29:33 They are the beneficiaries of the theft.
29:35 That is why we have decided
29:37 that we will not talk to them.
29:39 We are engaging with all the political parties.
29:41 There are six parties on our platform.
29:43 There will be more parties.
29:45 As far as the discussion with the establishment
29:47 is concerned,
29:49 I have always had a contention.
29:51 But your three opposing parties
29:53 will be happy today.
29:55 They will say that the person you want to talk to
29:57 is saying that there is no deal.
29:59 They will not talk to you.
30:01 They will say that you can talk to us.
30:03 You do not want to talk to them.
30:05 They know that you will be in trouble.
30:07 Khan Sahib will be inside.
30:09 Nothing will happen.
30:11 The system will continue as it is.
30:13 You will have to change something for that.
30:15 You have to change your way.
30:17 You have to tell them that the establishment
30:19 has to end its role from politics.
30:21 How will it happen?
30:23 You have to agree on four points.
30:25 We do not have any trust on these people.
30:27 They have attacked me for 10 days.
30:29 Today is the 10th day.
30:31 I heard their statement that
30:33 it is very difficult for us to trace them
30:35 because they have done a lot of makeup.
30:37 Yes, I have seen it.
30:39 You can run it here.
30:41 Tell me, this person
30:43 who has a very responsible position
30:45 as the advisor of the government
30:47 and he talks about this.
30:49 Today is the 10th day.
30:51 No contact has been made.
30:53 You said on the first day
30:55 that people will not be caught.
30:57 We were also saying that people will not be caught.
30:59 I said that people will not be caught.
31:01 Some say that they will do cosmetics
31:03 or optics.
31:05 Basically, this is their attitude.
31:07 The other thing is that
31:09 we also believe that it is true
31:11 that the power is somewhere else.
31:13 So, you will have to talk to the powerful people.
31:15 If you want to solve the problems of the country,
31:17 if you want to address the issues of the state,
31:19 then you will have to talk to those
31:21 who have the power.
31:23 I know them very well
31:25 that they do not have the power.
31:27 They cannot do anything.
31:29 They are completely helpless.
31:31 So, they will talk only in the domain of the constitution.
31:33 I am telling you again
31:35 that you cannot talk in the domain of the constitution.
31:37 How can you have a political conversation
31:39 with them in the domain of the constitution?
31:41 I don't know what we will talk about.
31:43 Frankly, we don't have an agenda.
31:45 If you say that you want to live in the constitution,
31:47 then you cannot have a political conversation in the constitution.
31:49 We will also encourage others to live in the constitution.
31:51 Everyone should live in the constitution.
31:53 If you want to give advice,
31:55 then write a letter to them.
31:57 Your advice will reach them daily
31:59 when you talk on TV.
32:01 What is the need to meet them?
32:03 Let me tell you a news.
32:05 You must have seen what happened in the court.
32:07 They abused him a lot.
32:09 But he was also slapped.
32:11 He was also slapped by the court.
32:13 It was your turn.
32:15 It has been 10 days.
32:17 I told him to put terrorism.
32:19 CCTV footage shows that we have been searching for you for 3 days.
32:21 Where have you gone?
32:23 You have to be finished.
32:25 It doesn't look like terrorism.
32:27 Where do you see PTI going from here?
32:29 PTI is on the right track.
32:31 What do you mean by the right track?
32:33 I will tell you.
32:35 We will have to improve our mechanisms.
32:37 Frankly, the things we are discussing,
32:39 such things should not happen.
32:41 If they have happened, then they should not happen.
32:43 At least, the way I think,
32:45 it does not fit in.
32:47 I will definitely take it up very seriously
32:49 with my social media team.
32:51 We will talk to them.
32:53 We are talking about the release of the constitution.
32:55 To talk about the release of the constitution,
32:57 we are engaging with all the political parties.
32:59 Even if we leave these 3 parties,
33:01 we are doing it.
33:03 We are exercising all the rights
33:05 that we have in the constitution.
33:07 We know that
33:09 we have not been heard.
33:11 We also know that we may not be heard in the future.
33:13 You talked about improving the mechanisms.
33:15 You know that Mr. Khan did not know about this video.
33:17 No one will believe you.
33:19 It is okay.
33:21 Those who do not want to believe,
33:23 do not believe.
33:25 But the reality is the reality.
33:27 What is the relationship of the outside world with that person?
33:29 Twice a week.
33:31 We are interviewed twice a week.
33:33 We meet twice a week.
33:35 Once we meet the lawyers and the family.
33:37 The second time, we go.
33:39 Six people go and meet.
33:41 Ten people are sitting there.
33:43 What do we talk to them?
33:45 What do we discuss?
33:47 Do we discuss social media?
33:49 They have everything.
33:51 Everything is there with them.
33:53 When we are talking,
33:55 two people are sitting behind.
33:57 They are hearing each and every word.
33:59 So you are saying that it is not possible
34:01 that such a thing is said and it is unheard.
34:03 No, no, no. Khan will never do that.
34:05 Khan will never do that.
34:07 Khan will not hurt the interest of the state.
34:09 But the interest of the state,
34:11 the state is looking at you and has put a lot of allegations on you.
34:13 Yes, I know.
34:15 But we have been sitting with the same demand
34:17 for the past one year and three days.
34:19 Our petition is pending.
34:21 Let's do a judicial inquiry
34:23 so that we know who is responsible.
34:25 After that, the matter can move forward.
34:27 If our people are there,
34:29 then punish them.
34:31 I will support myself.
34:33 I am sure Khan sir will support.
34:35 If someone has done any vandalism,
34:37 has set fire to everything.
34:39 So you are talking about the judicial commission.
34:41 Let's take a break.
34:43 I have a question.
34:45 You said that the social media team does not work for us.
34:47 For whom?
34:49 We don't have under.
34:51 Do you pay them?
34:53 No, no, no.
34:55 So, for God's sake,
34:57 you have given such an important page
34:59 of the biggest leader of Pakistan,
35:01 who does not work for you.
35:03 No, no, they are people.
35:05 They are supporters of PTI.
35:07 They are remarkable phenomenon.
35:09 You, you, you,
35:11 Kashif, meet them.
35:13 Is it possible?
35:15 They are remarkable phenomenon people
35:17 working voluntarily.
35:19 We have,
35:21 according to one estimate,
35:23 30,000 people working on our social media.
35:25 30,000 people.
35:27 So you are putting it on social media.
35:29 Let's see how the state takes it.
35:31 Thank you very much for coming.