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"Election commission Sources Say Khabre Chalwa Kar Kehta hai Kay..."Naeem Haider Panjutha's Analysis
"Election commission Sources Say Khabre Chalwa Kar Kehta hai Kay..."Naeem Haider Panjutha's Analysis
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00:00Mr. Naeem, the debate is that you have just joined us and we were talking about the decision and the position of Noon League is that it is a contradictory decision in the sense that it is contradictory to the election act and contradictory to the constitution.
00:19You have said that the Supreme Court has the right to make its own decisions and they are also courted in the future.
00:25And they get superiority over any act.
00:28Since your community has benefited from this, what is your point of view on this?
00:33Thank you very much Mr. Satti for giving me this opportunity.
00:37First of all, I would like to make it very clear that who have the people voted for?
00:43They have voted for Tehreek-e-Insaf and Imran Khan.
00:46Now, the way the election commission has freed Tehreek-e-Insaf, the Supreme Court has made it very clear.
00:51And even after 8-5 decisions have been made, if the election commission does not implement it or calls for a daily meeting or if someone goes for a review, then they can go for a review.
01:00You have the right to go.
01:02But I think that you will miss the ball.
01:07Because you will not get a 6 or a 4, nor will you be able to make a single 2.
01:12Because 8-5 decisions have been made.
01:15But to change this decision, the plan of the judges has been made.
01:21We will come to that later.
01:25Mr. Naeem, what I want to know is that the point is being raised that Tehreek-e-Insaf did not go for relief.
01:31So how can they benefit from this?
01:34Please explain this point.
01:36I am explaining this.
01:38Look, Article 188 of the Constitution is very clear.
01:41Article 188 of the Constitution says that the one who gives complete authority to the Supreme Court, what authority does he give?
01:48Complete justice.
01:51And if we look at complete justice, the way our candidates have been freed,
01:56for example, I went and fought the election myself.
01:58I gave a certificate to the election commission.
02:01What did they say?
02:03They said that you are free because you have been given the certificate.
02:07So you are free.
02:08Now the Supreme Court has redressed the fact that the people have voted for PTI.
02:12Now, by mistake of the election commission, their seats cannot be snatched.
02:15The Supreme Court has given a decision.
02:17They said that these seats were the right of PTI.
02:19So they are given to PTI.
02:21So what is the difference?
02:22And to say that we have not gone, we have also submitted a request,
02:25which later the Supreme Court said that you are not a party and we have become one.
02:29Because first we went to the Sunni Council for this reason.
02:32Because we had to join.
02:33When we were freed, we went to the Sunni Council.
02:36And from the Sunni Council, we also went to the Peshawar High Court.
02:39And there we also went to the Supreme Court.
02:41So when we were forced to join,
02:43then in that situation, we went to the Sunni Council in the Supreme Court.
02:47But the Supreme Court, giving complete justice, said that this PTI was freed,
02:51which is the mistake of the election commission.
02:53So it was the right of PTI.
02:54The people have also voted for PTI.
02:56So these seats are given to them.
02:58It's a simple thing.
02:59If someone takes a bowl and goes to another Jama'at,
03:02as he did before,
03:03then I think such a person who was already sitting on Farm 47,
03:07he is not moving back from that thing,
03:09he is not insisting on that thing that the people voted for him.
03:13You took a bowl and went to take specific seats.
03:16Mr. Prasad, you were in Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen from the mosque,
03:20but you changed the decision there.
03:22If you had gone there, maybe this much problem would not have happened.
03:25No, look at the problem.
03:26The election commission made the problem.
03:28And if we talk about the election commission,
03:30and if the election commission is asked to resign,
03:32because the election commission first did not correct the election,
03:35and then distributed the seats to other Jama'ats,
03:38it is the election commission's fault.
03:40And the election commission later on,
03:42by means of news is spreading that it is not our fault.
03:44Whose fault is this?
03:45Eight judges of the Supreme Court are saying this.
03:47So you are superior to the Supreme Court.
03:49You will do the election on the orders of the Supreme Court.
03:52You think that you will not complete the orders of the Supreme Court.
03:56What is your status?
03:58How can you complete the orders of the Supreme Court?
04:02Mr. Hassan Murtaza, another issue that we were talking about,
04:05was about the ban.
04:07That a ban should be imposed on the movement of justice.
04:09In fact, not even a ban,
04:10they were talking about Article 17 of the Constitution,
04:12and they are talking about the legalization of it.
04:14So, in your opinion, in this situation,
04:17the way it was announced abruptly,
04:20and then Mr. Ishaq Dhar said that
04:22there will be a consultation with the allies,
04:24then there will be a discussion,
04:25and then a decision will be taken.
04:26So, what was the reason for this?
04:28To take this decision so abruptly,
04:30and to announce it as well.
04:32What do you think?
04:34Look, I don't think anyone has had a consultation with the Pakistan People's Party.
04:43So, if they have said that,
04:46then I don't know who they have had a consultation with.
04:49Only they can tell us that we have had a consultation with a certain person.
04:53My personal opinion is that
04:55a ban should not be imposed on any political party.
05:00These are very bad conditions.
05:04Whatever it is, it is a political party.
05:07If you weaken the political system,
05:09if you handle things politically,
05:13then matters will move forward.
05:15I think that banning and imposing these restrictions
05:19is good in the context of democracy.
05:22In a democratic era,
05:24with the presence of democratic parties,
05:27these restrictions are not appropriate.
05:29So, you are saying that the People's Party
05:31has learned a lesson from its past in this matter.
05:34If you say this too,
05:37that is a separate debate.
05:39You have a reference to 1975.
05:42You will certainly give it.
05:44So, you can also have that debate
05:46that the Pakistan People's Party
05:48has learned from its past.
05:51Let's accept this and not argue.
05:54So, everyone should learn.
05:57Everyone should learn these things.
06:00Tariq-e-Insaf should also learn this.
06:03PMLN should also learn this.
06:05The People's Party should also learn this.
06:07We are all political workers.
06:09We are all political people.
06:11One day or another,
06:13all the pistachios will be in this grinder.
06:15But goes around comes around.
06:17I would like to make a small request.
06:19We were just talking about complete justice.
06:22And a reference code was made
06:24for the case of Butto Shaheed.
06:26We still did not get complete justice for it.
06:29We still did not get complete justice.
06:32If today it was said against the judges
06:35that a judge had given this wrong punishment,
06:39then we say that it is complete justice.
06:42They have only said today
06:44that Butto Shaheed did not get justice.
06:47This is not the case.
06:49If it is complete justice,
06:51then those judges should be hanged.
06:53Take them out of the graves.
06:55Tell them to hang them.
06:57Okay, don't implement it.
06:59But make a decision.
07:01Don't do complete justice with that reference.
07:04Otherwise, you certainly have the right
07:06to talk about complete justice.
07:08But don't code that case.
07:10There is no justice in it yet.
07:12Okay, but do you understand?
07:14Mr. Mukhtar, I would like to answer a little.
07:17When they satisfied this
07:19and said that article 10A was not given,
07:22then the judges who gave the decision
07:24against Zulfiqar Ali Butto,
07:26it was proven that they had done injustice,
07:29wrong, and Zulfiqar Ali Butto
07:31was unjustly hanged.
07:33This is what it means.
07:35So I understand your point.
07:38If I add a little,
07:40if it was said there that
07:42Zulfiqar Ali Butto is the killer,
07:44then we would also feel a little
07:46that complete justice is not given.
07:48We would also feel a little
07:50that complete justice is not given.
07:52You are absolutely right.
07:54I agree with you.
07:56But the courts either second
07:58or set aside.
08:00This is never a liability fix.
08:02No, they didn't even set aside.
08:05But they said that
08:07article 10A was violated.
08:09Zulfiqar Ali Butto was wrongly hanged.
08:11This is what they have said.
08:14They say that we accuse Butto
08:16of being innocent
08:18and Butto was wrongly hanged.
08:20You know this decision
08:22and the detailed judgment
08:24better than I do.
08:26I am not a law student.
08:28You know the law better
08:30but as a layman,
08:32as a political activist,
08:34I understand that
08:36complete justice is not given.
08:40Okay, now tell me
08:42that you agree with this
08:44Mr. Hassan Murtaza
08:46that political parties
08:48look good when they make democratic decisions.
08:50Any party.
08:52You were right.
08:54It's been a week
08:56since I did a program with you.
08:58I have done 20 programs
09:00and I know that I am a political activist
09:02and I am never in favor of
09:04putting a political party
09:06on the wall
09:08or banning it.
09:10And I expect
09:12from the People's Party
09:14that the People's Party
09:16can never think
09:18of banning any political party.
09:20Okay, thank you so much
09:22Mr. Hassan Murtaza for being with us.
09:24He is the General Secretary
09:26of Pakistan People's Party Central Punjab.
09:28Let's take a short break
09:30and come back after the break.