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Kiya PTI Par Pabandi lagane say mutaliq batein Zair Ghor Hain? c Afzal's Analysis
Kiya PTI Par Pabandi lagane say mutaliq batein Zair Ghor Hain? c Afzal's Analysis
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00:00 You are the coordinator of the PMOI.
00:03 Is this a matter of personal interest?
00:06 Should the PMOI be considered as a banner in the context of the recent statements?
00:14 Our guest was talking about this in the last segment.
00:16 In the name of God, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:19 This is a very sad tweet from the official handle.
00:25 If you look at the history of this Jamaat, the bill was torn down,
00:30 the movement of disobedience started,
00:35 the PTV was attacked, the assembly was attacked,
00:38 the visit of the Chinese President was delayed.
00:42 The way this project was launched,
00:45 and when it came to power,
00:47 they rejected the democratic norm of engaging the opposition,
00:51 they rejected it, they didn't engage their coalition partners.
00:55 When their government was removed from power,
00:59 they sowed the seeds of hatred,
01:01 they politicized polarization,
01:04 they challenged the government that if they arrest them, they will bomb them.
01:09 If they challenge me, I will raise slogans of Mir Jafar and Mir Sadiq.
01:14 If my red line crosses, there will be incidents of 9th May.
01:18 They wrote a letter to the IMF, saying that they won't give loans,
01:22 they won't protest,
01:23 they attacked the GSP Plus, their social media.
01:31 You must remember, in Madina,
01:34 they had a destructive, agitationist politics,
01:37 that when they were being called thieves in Madina,
01:40 they shouldn't be condemned,
01:41 but they should be told that they will get what they deserve.
01:45 Overall, I think, this is a negative politics.
01:48 You just started with a tweet,
01:51 in the last segment, the senator was saying that this is under discussion,
01:55 do you also think that this should be done or not?
01:58 When the incidents of 9th May happened,
02:03 there was a discussion that if this Jamaat instigates
02:07 that you are an attacker of national institutes,
02:11 and they have such planning,
02:13 then it can be seen, but I don't have any knowledge
02:17 that the government is pursuing this or going in this direction.
02:22 -Anyway, I have... -Okay.
02:25 That's all a part of the record.
02:27 Mr. Zain Qureshi, you were expecting this,
02:31 Mr. Shahamud Qureshi had one case left,
02:33 and before his decision,
02:35 there were 8 cases of 9th May.
02:40 Are you surprised or were you expecting this?
02:46 In the name of God, the most merciful, the most merciful.
02:47 Thank you for inviting me to your program.
02:49 Before answering your question,
02:50 I will answer your last question,
02:51 -you didn't ask me, but I will give you my point of view. -Please.
02:55 Sir, banning political parties is not a solution.
03:00 And I said from the first day that
03:01 the government's call and action is always different.
03:05 They are talking about mutual understanding,
03:07 they are talking about reconciliation,
03:08 but now they are saying that
03:10 the person who did this can be thought about.
03:13 Sir, I don't believe in the politics of 'tat for tat',
03:16 and Mr. Rana is my brother, he is very respectable for me,
03:18 but when they talk about the history of the Jamaats,
03:21 then they should remember the attack on the Supreme Court,
03:25 they should remember the speech of Mr. Nawaz Sharif in Gujranwala,
03:28 they should remember Don Leaks,
03:30 who used to talk about the establishment
03:32 and the senior leadership of the army,
03:34 and the Muslim League, they should remember that too.
03:37 So, I mean,
03:39 -they say that the glass house is the house of stone. -And banning a party,
03:42 a political party is not a good idea,
03:43 so the bag that was banned during your time, wasn't that right?
03:48 Sir, I don't agree with that.
03:51 In my opinion, if we really call ourselves democratic forces,
03:54 if we really call ourselves people who believe in democracy,
03:57 people who sell democracy,
03:59 then any political Jamaat,
04:01 and if you ban the biggest Jamaat in the country,
04:03 the one who got the most votes in the country,
04:05 then I think it would be complete stupidity.
04:07 Okay, but let me ask a small question about this.
04:09 Before your question, let me ask a small question about this.
04:11 Don't you think that,
04:12 this is your point, but,
04:14 understanding the sensitivity, understanding the environment,
04:18 the PTI also needs to take a careful step,
04:21 and this tweet, the way it happened,
04:24 these things are a little overdue sometimes.
04:27 Don't you think so?
04:28 Absolutely, Mr. Balaji, I agree with you
04:33 that every stakeholder has to play a role in improving the environment,
04:37 and everyone, we say, has to create an enabling environment.
04:41 That enabling environment can only be created through discussion and debate.
04:44 That enabling environment cannot be created by banning a Jamaat.
04:49 Now, I will come to the answer to the original question you asked me.
04:53 There are only two things in Mr. Shah's case.
04:56 First, we celebrated Yom-e-Takbir today,
05:00 which is a very good thing, we should celebrate it.
05:02 It is a matter of pride for Pakistan
05:04 that we have an atomic power,
05:06 and anyone can claim their credit, but a lot of people have their credit in it.
05:11 Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan has his credit,
05:13 Mr. Mufti Fakhar Ali Bhutto has his credit,
05:14 and all the governments that have come since then have their credit.
05:18 But, what happened in the last 25 years,
05:20 what happened this year is a very surprising thing.
05:22 This year, after office hours,
05:25 in the evening, they held a circular,
05:28 in which they declared a national holiday.
05:30 And the fun part is that the same circular also said that the courts will be closed.
05:35 So, why? Because two big decisions were to be made today.
05:37 The decision of the Cipher case was to be made,
05:39 and the decision of the tribunals was to be made in the Lahore High Court.
05:42 And both the decisions, it is clearly visible,
05:45 were against their intentions and intentions.
05:48 That is why...
05:49 No, so...
05:51 His voice got cut off, okay.
05:54 So, he is saying that this has happened because of this.
05:58 Tell me, if we take a holiday today, Mr. Badami,
06:02 won't the decisions come tomorrow?
06:04 There is no logical sense to this.
06:07 If they were not to come today, they would come tomorrow.
06:10 And you are the coordinator of the Prime Minister,
06:12 so you know that if this was not the reason,
06:16 what was the reason?
06:17 Because you will say that it was the reason of the Day of Judgement.
06:19 So, in the last 25 years, when there was the rule of Mooli,
06:21 this did not happen.
06:22 It came in the office hours, after office hours.
06:26 The merchants kept it open, that we will not come so soon.
06:29 So, it was unprecedented.
06:30 So, what was the reason for this?
06:32 Look, this is an important day for the security of Pakistan.
06:37 And because of these reasons, this holiday was declared.
06:41 Anyway, my personal opinion is that we should reduce the number of holidays.
06:45 But the government declared it and on this basis,
06:49 which I have just told you.
06:50 So, it took the government a good 25 years to realize that it is a historic day.
06:55 Although, you are saying that there should not be a holiday even now.
06:58 So, what is this?
06:59 I think that we should reduce the number of holidays and focus more on work.
07:03 But this was the point of view of the government that
07:07 we should celebrate this day for the security of Pakistan.
07:12 So, today, the holiday was given.
07:14 It is possible that next year, they will say that
07:16 we should reduce the number of holidays.
07:17 Next year, they will undo this holiday.
07:19 I think that the number of holidays should be reduced.