Greg goes deep into Saturday's practice, takes stock of the offense and QBs, and wonders if Mayo called out Christian Gonzalez.
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00:00This is the Gregg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins
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00:37Just wanted to get with you guys. It's now it's Thursday evening
00:41Thursday have Thursday on the bright it is Sunday evening
00:45Patriots had the day off today. They last practiced on
00:50Saturday sort of want to give you an update
00:52We're gonna talk about Saturday's practice a little bit the status of the offense
00:58also going to
01:01Tease you a little bit with a column that I'm publishing on Sunday on Monday at Boston Sports Journal about ten things
01:07I think I think about the Patriots at this point
01:10So just to reset they're gonna have practice on Monday and Tuesday off on Wednesday the game against the Panthers on
01:16on Thursday
01:19If they're gonna be off again Friday Saturday, they're supposed to be doing something on Sunday and then
01:25The Eagles come in next week for a joint practice and preseason game
01:34Also just you know one note
01:36If you're on Twitter, you saw this I was not at practice on
01:41Thursday and Friday Thursday was non padded, which I didn't really care about Friday. I was not there for
01:48Family considerations nothing big just something I wanted to do and felt like I needed to do and
01:55Giardia was there to hold down the fort quite well
01:59So and I hate missing camp. I really do and it doesn't happen very often
02:05I can't remember the last time it happened, but you know, it is what it is
02:10Life goes on
02:12So that was the ninth practice
02:14A couple things that stood out sort of the headlines off the top
02:19Matthew Judon appeared to be in a really really good mood
02:26Certainly a stark contrast to what we saw a few days ago with him and Mayo and leaving the field coming back on the field
02:33This time he looked like his old self
02:36Well, he looked like Matthew Judon at one point
02:39He chased Antonio Gibson some 40 yards down the field and sort of dove at his feet sort of, you know
02:45Half joking when he really didn't need to do that at all
02:50Was just sort of having fun with it and there was another time where?
02:55Jacoby Bursett and Hunter Henry
02:57hooked up on a spectacular catch by Henry where it was like he was going down the left sideline and
03:03It was to his back shoulder and he sort of contorted himself and caught it one-handed
03:09And it was a catch
03:11Mayo ruled it a sack. I think he's a little bit
03:15biased towards the defense and so Mayo called the playback and Jude on motion to the
03:23offensive sideline like a mock cry thing, so
03:27Matthew Judon was in a very good mood on Saturday
03:31And yes that indicates to me that things might be going well on the contract front
03:36I wouldn't be surprised a surprise that we didn't hear about it on the off day
03:40But sometime this week whether it's Monday morning first thing we get
03:46Schefter Reese
03:49Breaking news sort of thing
03:52or
03:53Somewhere around the preseason game, but I think something's gonna happen. I have no knowledge of it. It's just
04:00The vibe that I'm reading
04:02after covering this this league for 20 years
04:07Injuries are starting to hit hard
04:10Taekwon Thornton was on the sideline not practicing
04:17That's just not what we want to see now
04:20Giardia's reported and others have reported that it's not serious blah blah blah maybe you know before
04:27But before a day off maybe they thought it wise for him and you know, like Marcus Jones has been out
04:33A core for Calvin Anderson David Andrews didn't finish practice Joshua blood cell wasn't out there
04:39Maybe they were just sort of looking ahead maybe trying to get some guys some extra rest
04:45I'm not sure but the Taekwon Thornton thing
04:48Anytime he's out, especially with the start to camp that he's had and his history. It is not a minor deal
04:54It's a big deal. He needs to be out there. He needs to be earning his spot
05:00You know we see with these guys Taekwon Thornton Marcus Jones and Marta Mapu, especially we're talking about three
05:07undersized guys
05:09Who have had injury issues you can even put pop Douglas in there
05:14But at least he's practicing more and more and doing more and more and you can certainly see the impact that he has on the field
05:22But
05:24That's rough, especially in Thornton's case
05:27Overall the defense won the day
05:31They had an interception. There was another one that was credited to Alex Austin. I'm sorry. He blatantly held
05:39Austin Hooper, I'm not giving him credit for the interception. There were multiple sacks and stuffed runs
05:46But the offense had had its moments as well Bursette and may both produced touchdowns in seven and nine seven on nine
05:54may had to
05:57And
05:58Should have had a third if Mitchell Wilcox who I think his middle name is drop didn't have another drop in the end zone
06:08Jacoby Bursette let an awesome drive situational was like a minute 35
06:16Completed a deep pass the KJ Osborne had two other completions
06:20Then all of a sudden the clock was running and it got down to five four three two one
06:25they got the snap off and
06:28Bursette just lobbed this it was somewhat of a prayer but hunter Henry just made an outstanding diving
06:34Catch for the touchdown. So so that's good
06:40You know, if you just look at camp stats and I think you guys know how I feel about them
06:45You would say that the offense is far from
06:49Far from doing well, I would disagree with that. I just think that
06:53And even Drake may now drink may he certainly stood out in seven on seven
06:59Which he has tended to do
07:02It has not been as good like I think he was
07:06What did I have him for three for nine three sacks a throwaway in team Bursette was nine of 13 with an INT in team
07:16That INT by Bursette was he put up a ball for I want to say it was
07:24a
07:26KJ Osborne, but no, excuse me. It was for Jalen Rigor
07:35Azizi Hearn made a great was in great coverage tipped the ball up Jalen Hawkins picked it off
07:41look, it's a 50-50 ball Jacoby put it where it needed to be and
07:47The other team just made a better play
07:50But the offense overall is making progress it's very hard to quantify
07:56But just my sense from watching the field watching what's going on
08:04I feel better about this offense. I think they're moving. They're making progress
08:11Pretty much every day now. It's a stark contrast to Matt Patricia's offense who I
08:18Would say that both of them started camp in similar fashion
08:24But
08:26The difference in the steady progress the that the offense is making and it's incremental
08:31It's not huge on a daily basis, but you can just see the players becoming more comfortable what they're doing
08:38To me. It's a testament to the coaches and that they know what they're doing
08:43Alex van Pelt and Ben McAdoo and others know how to install this offense. Unlike those former coaches and
08:51As long as the players know that they that they're seeing progress on film
08:57Then they buy in to what the coaches are doing and I think we're getting that now
09:02we didn't get that with Matt Patricia for obvious reasons and
09:07So that's why I think it's it's much different
09:10This time around
09:14Let's see what else
09:20David Andrews at one point
09:23Took himself out of team periods now. I wasn't sure. I'm not sure if that was predetermined or what?
09:30but
09:32And he also missed a few days with his kid was in the hospital
09:36So maybe they just wanted to bring him along slowly, I'm not really sure
09:41but that always causes an issue because
09:45Now Nick Leverett who is solid as a center moves up to the first unit. I like him. He's got this
09:53Spunk he's tough
09:55He has his energy about him. I really like Nick Leverett and I think he's gonna help all three interior spots
10:02When I was I think it'll be the top backup probably at all of them
10:07You know, we'll see with like the Leighton Robinson's of the world
10:13But I really like Nick Leverett. The problem is
10:16now that boost atonio mafi up to center with Drake May and that's not good for anybody and
10:23Mostly because he can't snap the ball and you think that they would be able to do better than that, but
10:29They haven't been able to
10:32So
10:35Let's go over some of Drake May in team
10:40He was sacked by Jeremiah farms
10:42He did get off a late throw to pop Douglas who made a great sort of twisting behind him catch
10:49But I ruled it a sack. It was a sack
10:55So second team period Harris stretch front to the left then
11:02They ran the same action off of that what you're gonna see with this offense
11:06so, you know stretch run to the outside that means the the the running back takes a
11:11Direct course to the end looks for a cutback lane if he can find it
11:17But it's a long handoff think Peyton Manning used to have to do this in his offense
11:22so, you know and then you'll
11:24What you'll do the next time around is you'll fake it and then all of a sudden because the defense is going that way
11:29You'll leak somebody out behind. So what may did
11:35Was he executed the play action and then he had sort of a panic throw?
11:40Over the middle to Javon Baker and the safety. I'm not sure exactly who it was
11:46Because things were going fast
11:50If it was a real game Javon Baker would have been completely blown up or
11:54The safety would have picked it off in front of him
11:56It was a hospital ball over the middle and then on third down
12:01incomplete out of bounds to KJ Osborne
12:05So team period 132 on the clock appeared to need a field goal
12:10Incomplete the Harris on a swing pass to the left. The pass was a little bit behind him
12:14I ruled it a drop, but it wasn't a great pass Harris left end sweep
12:21Complete the Mitchell Wilcox down the middle for about 14 yards
12:25Complete to
12:27Jalen Polk on a bullet out pass
12:30diving snagged by Polk good placement by
12:33May good velocity clocked it and then had a sack throw away
12:40Certainly shows the arm difference between May and Mac Jones. There's no way Mac Jones
12:44I think could have gotten that ball out of bounds may was able to off his back foot. Just get it out of there
12:50And
12:52I'm pretty sure that led to a it's at least over 50 yards
12:58From where I was sitting. I thought it was 58 yards for joy sly into a crosswind. So that was impressive
13:0514 period Gibson stuff by Tristan Hill
13:08Complete to Osborne short pass sack by wise white hasty right and run to the one yard line
13:1715 period 56 seconds remaining think they needed a TD threw one away
13:23Incomplete to Baker thrown out of bounds great coverage by Miss Marcellus dial all the way down the field
13:29He was basically in Baker's hip pocket the entire way
13:34Incomplete the Juju Smith Schuster on a little five yard out from the slot
13:39But Juju Smith Schuster slipped again when he's not dropping passes
13:43He's he's slipping and then incomplete batted down at the line. So
13:49not a lot of success for Drake May in those team periods, but
13:55you know, I'm starting to come over to the point of view that
14:00He's being a little limited not totally but a little limited by what's around him, especially with the offensive line. I
14:07I would be very interested to see if Drake may get snaps with the first team unit
14:14That's a delicate balance that these coaches
14:17have to
14:19navigate
14:20because
14:22one of one of my big takeaways from watching practice on Saturday is that
14:28If this isn't Jacoby Bursett's team right now
14:31It feels like it's pretty close and that's no slight on Drake May look Jacobi Bursett's a veteran
14:36He's been around he's playing well mostly because he's been in the system before
14:41He's playing with representative players
14:44But if that's the case if Jacoby is just about
14:49Solidified himself that he's the quarterback of this team at least to start the season which I'm in favor of
14:56Do you want to mess with that or do you want to keep it going maybe
15:01Maybe some other practice further down the line is a better place
15:04But I do think at some point in time
15:06I think the Patriots need to put Drake May out there with the starting offensive line the best weapons
15:12Maybe to boost his confidence a little bit but also
15:15Just to see where he is and to see get it on film and get the coaches talking about like, you know
15:21So do we think this is possible?
15:23Week one or earlier. What do we think? I don't think you can even have that discussion until you see that so with two practices
15:32before
15:33the preseason game Monday and Tuesday, I
15:36Would like to see a period and it wouldn't surprise me. This is normally when it's done when the coaches send
15:42The other quarterback out there with the starters just to see what's possible
15:46But I just hope that they talked to Jacoby about it when they do this kind of stuff
15:55Hunter Henry was outstanding in this practice had two great catches
16:00Remember all that talk that I said
16:04About
16:06About maybe hunter Henry losing a step because I hadn't seen him like OTAs minicamp early on a training camp. Okay, that's over
16:13He's back and a factor
16:18Joey sly wasn't up for me in this practice
16:20He had the 58 yarder and he was four for four in the kicking competition. I thought Chad Ryland missed one
16:27He had been really good and was taking command
16:30So I had them both good from 27 yards from the right hash both good from 33 yards left hash
16:38Sly good from 40 yards right hash
16:42Ryland I had Ryland as a miss. It's close don't have a perfect angle and then both made from 45 yards
16:50Like I said, I do think Drake may have looked really good in the red zone seven on seven
16:55His decisiveness ball delivery
16:59It's it's when the offensive line gets out there things get a little bit wonky his footwork gets a little bit wonky
17:04But seven on seven he looks really good
17:08Down for me
17:11Big one is Juju Smith Schuster. I don't know what they're doing with him
17:16I don't know what they're doing with him
17:19out there I
17:21Maybe they're hoping to showcase him in a preseason game. Maybe some team gives up a seventh round pick
17:26That's a little bit cap cap wise. It's a little bit better for the team if that happens
17:35Or they're just saying, you know
17:37Just making sure with injuries and things like that. They're just prolonging it
17:43Don't unless there's some injury or what-have-you I
17:48Don't think there's much much of a chance of Juju making this team also down Drake May and team
17:55Three four nine with three sacks is three four nine with three sacks, but it's not all his fault. Don't don't confuse things and
18:03Taekwon Thornton missing practice
18:06Can't happen
18:08Another big development
18:10That I don't know what to make of
18:12so
18:14Chooks a core for and Calvin Anderson were both out of this practice with injuries. So that's
18:19two out of your top three tackles
18:22But this marked the third straight practice with the Darien Lowe starting at left tackle Caden Wallace is that right tackle?
18:29I
18:32Don't understand that now I know
18:35It's certainly in this practice I understood maybe they were only going to do Vidarian low for two days but because of the injuries
18:41It necessitated a third day
18:46Still
18:47It seems like the offensive lines been better with Caleb Caden Wallace at left tackle and in a core for right tackle
18:53So if that's the case, why not go back to Caden Wallace and let Vidarian low rep it right tackle
18:58So
19:00I don't I really don't know what to make out of what they're doing with the offensive tackle
19:07It
19:09Mildly concerning but you know
19:12I will say things seem to be coming together on the offensive line and with the offense as a whole
19:17So I'm not overly alarmed. I think these coaches are showing me and showing the players that they know what they're doing
19:23So I'm not going to be
19:26Too
19:27Concerned about that right now, but I reserve judgment as always to change my mind
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21:59Guaranteed. Okay, so I am publishing a column on Monday morning. I already wrote it. It's 10 things
22:05I think I think some of the things I've touched on in this podcast already
22:12You know, not all of them but just to give you a tease
22:16We'll be talking about the offense or I'll be writing about the offense Jacoby Bursett's leadership
22:22Drake Mays progress the futures of Juju Smith Schuster and Matthew Judon offensive tackle Hunter Henry and
22:28Gerard Mayo so far including and and you know, we'll we'll talk about this now
22:36It sure sounded to me the other day that Gerard Mayo was calling out
22:42Christian Gonzalez, so
22:46Let me let me set this up by this was a question in the transcript I heard it in the press conference
22:54Someone asked we've seen some cornerbacks rotate through I'm just curious about the depth there with guys like Marco Wilson and Isaiah Bolden
23:01How do you feel like you guys are behind Gonzo and Jonathan Jones?
23:06so basically the premise of the question was to say that
23:09We all know Christian Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones are good to go. They're starters. What have you?
23:16Basically bypassing those guys, which I don't disagree with they're gonna be starting
23:24But listen to Gerard Mayo's answer and and let me see if you picked up what I did
23:32This is Mayo. We feel pretty good at this time
23:35Once again, those guys have to earn a role on this team and it's not really just defense
23:40You want your corners to be able to play special teams as well?
23:44So the battles will continue even with Gonzo he has to go out here each and every day and push it
23:50I always tell these guys that success is rented and not owned and
23:54The rent is due every day and that applies to Gonzo as well when I heard that. I
24:01Was like whoa, that was kind of like out of nowhere
24:05that
24:06The questioner was bypass bypassing Gonzalez. Basically. He wasn't part of the question
24:12It was just like okay when we know you guys are solid there. You guys are good there with Christian Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones
24:18but what about these other guys and
24:21Mayo seemed to say like whoa, wait a minute like
24:26Don't don't put guns. Don't put Gonzo in that category yet
24:31Because he hasn't done a good enough job to me. It was Mayo calling out Christian Gonzalez, which I don't mind. I applaud
24:38Love it Mayo has indicated to us that he is going to use the media to send messages to players
24:44Talked about how he watches their precious press conferences. They watch his press conferences. He was a player
24:51He understands all this stuff probably reading between the lines of what Belichick was saying
24:56But to me, it's clear. He was calling out Christian Gonzalez who let's be honest. He's been inconsistent to start camp some days
25:04Inconsistent to start camp some days. He looks awesome other days. He looks kind of pedestrian
25:11That's not to say I think he's pedestrian or anything like that. But I just think I think Mayo's trying to
25:17Kick him in the butt a little bit be like dude. We need you to be a lockdown guy
25:24For us if we're gonna be anything on defense and we're gonna win with our defense
25:27We're gonna take care of the ball. We're gonna run the ball. That's our formula and
25:31For us to do that like you got to be Pro Bowl if not all pro level for us
25:39You know don't be thinking you accomplished anything as a rookie because you didn't and
25:43You're starting over at zero because you're coming back from injury and I really like that
25:49From Mayo and I like the accountability. I like the message that it sends
25:54And I bet you I bet you we do see a different Gonzalez. Not that
25:59Not that he was bad or anything like that
26:01But I do think we're gonna see an uptick from Gonzales or at least that was the aim of that. So it's interesting
26:09So I think that'll about do it
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