In the latest episode of the All 32 NFL Podcast with Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson, the duo recaps the NFL Week 9 action. Topics include: Drake Maye’s struggles to lift the Patriots, major changes in New Orleans following Dennis Allen's firing, and the AFC East race, where the Bills look poised to pull away.
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00:00It is caught! Touchdown!
00:04The New England Patriots select Drake May.
00:08He's got the ball! And that's the ball game!
00:12Well, the Patriots selecting Drake May might be the very best thing that's happened
00:16to the team and franchise in the last several years. Other than that, not so great.
00:20Welcome to the All-32 Pod, Mike Giardi alongside Will Parkinson.
00:24Week 9, pretty much in the books. Not an awesome slate, but there are some interesting things
00:28that are happening around the league. I'm reminded that this show is brought to you by
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00:40Will, a bunch of games to get through, a bunch of events to get through, but let's start with
00:44that Patriots-Titans game 2017. Titans win in overtime.
00:48My first takeaway, those are two very
00:52bad football teams. Yeah, they're
00:56both very, apologies, they're very bad, but
01:00the one thing I think, my biggest takeaway was that Drake May has
01:04given Patriots fans a reason to fully believe. Again,
01:08the interception at the end there, he said he misjudged the wind.
01:12He had a shot, it was there, you know, to go win it. I thought Mayo probably should have gone for two.
01:16You know, a team that is just trying to figure out a way if you lose on the road like that.
01:20I'd rather get killed for being too aggressive. The defense was cooked, and there's a lot of
01:24things to question, but I thought the fight and the drive
01:28for this team, I thought playing a competitive game. Look, they're right now, they have a franchise quarterback
01:32or they're close to people being ready for that, and they might pick number one in the draft.
01:36And you might end up with Travis Hunter, and you have Christian Gonzalez and
01:40Travis Hunter on either side for the next seven, eight years, and Hunter on offense and the whole thing.
01:44Maybe that's the thing, even though he thinks he's going to make the choice not to wear Tom's number.
01:48That was insane. I'm not sure how big your ego has to be to assume that the
01:52Patriots would un-retire the number of the best player that's ever played the sport.
01:56But all that said, I think the Titans need this game so badly.
02:00And I felt like the last thing the Titans wanted to see was the
02:04Patriots go for two there. I felt like they had a shot.
02:08I thought it was the Patriots, and I'm like, damn, man, I'd like to see it just
02:12go for the kill. You know, and May makes that great play. I thought he was musing his legs.
02:16We saw it against the Jets. He's got to protect himself. I've been a little concerned
02:20with how he takes these comedic shots to the head
02:24that are very Jaden Daniels-esque in college. We were like, dude.
02:28He got stood up and bent over, basically,
02:32on one of them with a helmet came riding up his face, and it's like
02:36you just were in the protocol. And granted, it feels like
02:40they didn't think he had a concussion. Between the postgame from Drake yesterday
02:44and from Mayo on Monday, we're taping this on early Monday afternoon,
02:48didn't feel like he had a concussion, but OK, so maybe you didn't have a concussion,
02:52but don't go inviting one. He slid a few times. He went
02:56headfirst once, but in general, he did take a few hellacious shots
03:00when he was running, and he's got to be more careful about that because, again, this whole thing
03:04now is built around him being the foundational
03:08piece for a team that's struggling to turn the page and find
03:12their next franchise quarterback, which they haven't been able to do for
03:16a while. Tom walked out the building in 2019, right? You've had Cam Newton, Mac Jones,
03:20Bailey Zappi, Brian Hoyer, Jared Stidham.
03:24You've kind of run the gamut here, and you finally feel like maybe you've hit one here
03:28after just four starts, so you're right about that.
03:32He gives them his hope. Excitement. You see Andre smiling for the first
03:36time. I feel like I've seen him smile in years. I mean, that play was ridiculous, right?
03:40From snap to throw, almost 12 seconds. It's the second-longest play in the
03:44Cats era, only behind the Jaden Daniels Hail Mary from the week prior.
03:48And to keep his head up the
03:52entire time, dodge the rush several times, including Arden Keyes, should have
03:56looked like he was going to have him sacked, ducked that, and then two guys coming at him at the
04:00last second there, and he stands in there and still makes a strong enough throw, basically
04:04from one hash to the other side of the field to get it done to Stevenson
04:08was a great play. Mayo talked about
04:12he didn't want to talk about the not going for two in the aftermath. He basically said it was a good question,
04:16but I don't want to get into that. He might have been the only guy that didn't go for two
04:20or a bad fourth down call in the entire league yesterday that he should have.
04:24Brian D'Abel and Sirianni would have gone. It's just like, I felt like that
04:28on the road down one, we saw D'Abel do it in Tennessee
04:32as a first-year coach with a struggling team, very similar,
04:36and it sparked that team to a couple wins in a row, and again, maybe that wouldn't have done it for the Patriots, but
04:40it would have felt damn good to say, hey,
04:44the game ending on, even if they miss it there, the game ending on a Drake
04:48May touchdown is the last thing in your mind as opposed to, man, that pick wasn't
04:52great. The idea was there, and he was open, per se.
04:56He would have taken a perfect throw, but
05:00I feel like it's just a little disheartening because the defense kind of got walked down on that
05:04last drive. They were gassed, and no one could blame them, and then Drake May, that was the pick. It kind of
05:08takes away a little bit of the excitement
05:12at a touchdown, and again, if they would have lost, they would have lost. I don't think anybody
05:16and any of you guys would have killed them for it. I just think it would have been like, wow, Mayo's showing a little...
05:20It's very opposite of the way he's coached, and I felt like that would have been a nice
05:24little... When we talked to him today and we asked him about it,
05:28he was asked if fatigue played a role in it, right? You talk about, I just mentioned
05:32it was actually 15 seconds to play from start to finish
05:36and Romandre finally reeled it in, and you go 50 yards in a minute and 45
05:40with no timeout, so you're in the hurry-up mode, and a big guy's holding
05:44blocks forever. I can understand if that was his rationale.
05:48Again, he said there were many factors that went into it, but he wouldn't say what the
05:52overriding factor was. Had he gone for it, like he said,
05:56you would have criticized me as the result, right? If we make it,
06:00it's great, but if we don't, then you're going to criticize. I went for two earlier in the year.
06:04I got criticized for the Jacksonville game. I'm like,
06:08okay, that's fine, but you have to understand where your team is at.
06:12I felt like actually both coaches, Cal and two,
06:16not necessarily coaching to win that game. Let's put it this way.
06:20On the NFL coaching 101 tapes, those guys,
06:24they might show a couple examples from those guys on how not to do it as opposed to how to do it.
06:28It was not exactly a battle of the brains in that game.
06:32The other thing I started, and you mentioned it with the hits and
06:36the energy that May's bringing,
06:40is there too much on him. They can't run the ball. 12 carries
06:44for the running backs yesterday for 15 yards. In the last three games total
06:48with the running backs, 49 carries, 85 yards.
06:52Drake's led them in rushing three of the four games,
06:56and he would have led it in the Jets game had he not got knocked out with a concussion, right?
07:00He already had 38 yards. Romandre finished with 46 or 48.
07:04I'm sure one more scramble and he would have surpassed that.
07:08While he's not buckling under the pressure of this,
07:12it just feels like, man, you're asking for trouble if you can't find another
07:16way to move the football and protect your quarterback. They can't.
07:20They screwed around with their offensive line yesterday. They went back to the combination from two weeks ago.
07:24It just feels like they're a little bit rudderless here
07:28in terms of the decisions they're making and the direction they're going.
07:32He's got 209 yards rushing in four and a half games.
07:36Roughly three and a half games, really, if you want to combine the two Jets games
07:40into one just because he didn't want to really play.
07:44I just keep thinking to myself,
07:48the comments from Alex Van Pelt are so contrary to what
07:52they're actually doing. I think he said it before
07:56or during the Jags game. We don't want to make Drake throw it 50 times. We don't want to put up too much
08:00on his shoulders. We'd love to be able to, but we really don't want him throwing
08:0435, 40 times. We'd love to be less there, establish a balanced offense. I know
08:08it's all BS coach speak. I'm not an idiot.
08:1241 attempts yesterday, plus another eight carries. That's 59
08:16times he's getting put in harm's way. It's the truth.
08:2037 times against Jacksonville, another three rushes. That's another 30 there.
08:24It's got it more and more. Again, it's to the point where
08:28you just got to find the balance to me of
08:32a little more quick game stuff. The screens don't work.
08:36They run. They might be the worst screen team I've ever seen.
08:40That's the one thing. They said their aim this summer was to be the best.
08:44It's just not. You don't see that.
08:48I just would like to see them don't get so aggressive on
08:52giving up on the run. Maybe a couple of draw plays would be nice.
08:56Some read option with Drake may be cool.
09:00I'm a little annoyed in the aspect of we're seeing so much good.
09:04The Patriots are playing harder than they have in the last couple weeks. They're much more competitive.
09:08It just feels like the coaching is not
09:12up to standard. I don't
09:16see this awesomely well-coached team. I feel like I see
09:20they're not bad, but they're not really elevating anyone.
09:24Then on top of that, some of the talent comes out.
09:28Obviously, offensive line and some of the defensive stuff. You see some of the issues.
09:32You speed a linebacker and things like that. That's fair, but that's fixable.
09:36I worry long-term. They have the quarterback, not the coach.
09:40Or coaching staff, at least. Maybe Mayo is a good coach, just surrounded by
09:44not great staff. We had this conversation with Robert
09:48the offensive staff. He put that staff together. Whose fault is that?
09:52I don't know. I wonder if in the offseason, we're talking about
09:56Alex Van Pelt, maybe one in Don. They bring in somebody else. Now, Drake May looks good.
10:00A coach might want to attach themselves to him. Maybe a receiver wants to come here now
10:04because May is showing these flashes.
10:08This picture seems very confusing to me. At times, it's exactly who we thought they were.
10:12Other times, you're like, man, they're close. I see it.
10:16Other times, you're like, what was that?
10:20Every game feels like that's literally my emotions watching that game.
10:24Yesterday, we talked about it on Friday. It was so critical for them.
10:28Tennessee is a bad football team. Not that you're a good football team.
10:32I'm not saying that at all. You just beat the Jets.
10:36You had not shot yourself in the foot that game.
10:40It was like, let's just need to carry that momentum over. It didn't.
10:44Tony Pollard looked really good yesterday.
10:48He was questionable. Had the foot. Didn't practice all week. He was phenomenal.
10:52There you go again. We talked about the tough thing.
10:56We rehashed the tough thing. Again, the three things that Mayo said
11:00that this guy from Belichick and I think every coach around the league shares it.
11:04Run the ball. Stop the run. Cover kicks. That's how you show you're a tough team.
11:08They covered kicks yesterday. They had that going for them. Gave up 167 yards
11:12on the ground. 4.4 yards per carry. Really got it shoved down their throat
11:16in the fourth quarter in particular. Obviously, as I mentioned, 12 carries
11:20for 15 yards rushing with your running back. While Drake is running around
11:24for 95 yards, the rest of your group can't do squats.
11:28They can't do these things. Hey, look. We understand.
11:32Talent's not great. This was going to take more than one year.
11:36It's definitely going to take more than one year to rebuild it.
11:40Doug Kide from the Boston Herald put it out there. I think you have 14 or 15 guys
11:44on their roster that were cut by someone else this year
11:48or on your 53. That just tells you how far the roster has fallen
11:52and also tells you a little bit about how they didn't have a good offseason
11:56between thus far the production they're getting out of the draft
12:00where Drake's been fantastic. Polk out on the field again yesterday. Two penalties.
12:04No catches. Caden Wallace has been hurt for a while. Still not ready to come back.
12:08You start to go down the line of Javon Baker's not making an impact.
12:12They've gotten basically nothing out of their draft class aside from their quarterback,
12:16which again, the most important thing, but when you have eight picks and you put seven of them
12:20on offense and then you're looking at the offense going, Polk's not doing anything.
12:24Baker's not doing anything. Jaheim Bell caught his first pass yesterday, I think, for minus one yard.
12:28There's just not a lot happening there. You're not getting much
12:32help from the offensive line. Leighton Robinson got benched in the second quarter
12:36because he couldn't block Jeffrey Simmons, which, oh, by the way, hard for anyone to do,
12:40but he probably should have planned for that before the game, and then they ended up kicking
12:44Nwendo back inside to right guard. Why didn't he just get a better guard?
12:48The notion that he's a good tackle is foolish.
12:52What happened last year was... He's just like AVT. He's fine. They'll get you by.
12:56Yeah, you're right. What happened last year is they were so bad at right tackle that when they moved him
13:00out there, you're like, oh, he's competent, and then somehow competent turned to
13:04he's a good tackle. No, no, no. He's a good guard who, when he's at his
13:08best, might be a really good guard, but as a tackle, that's not his bag.
13:12They're just... They've got a long way to go, which we keep
13:16saying. They're 2-7. They go to Chicago and play the Bears, who all of a sudden
13:20are... That game's winnable. Yeah, it is. It is. Chicago's not playing
13:24great. There's a lot of rumors now around Aberfluss again.
13:28He hasn't won a Sunday game in like 18 games, whatever that is. Yeah, it's two bad
13:32losses in a row. They don't look great. Before we get
13:36to some other games, though, the news came out Monday morning, and I think we fully expected
13:40this. The Saints have fired Dennis Allen
13:44after their seventh loss in a row. Remember, they got off to an unbelievable
13:48start this year. 2-0, scored 90-something points, looked fantastic.
13:52Then the injuries hit, and he's just...
13:56I think he's a fantastic defensive coordinator. I'd be signing up to hire him as my
14:00D.C. five minutes ago. I'd have already made the call. I want to get you
14:04in here because I believe in you that much as a D.C., but as a head coach,
14:08just not great. You just kind of see it coming,
14:12and they're going to go to Rizzy as the special teams coach. He's going to be the interim head coach,
14:16but it's not a good football team. Maybe they get a little
14:20bit of life from the change, but I don't think it's going to be that much because I just don't think
14:24there's enough talent on that team. Yeah, well, the quarterback's the biggest
14:28problem. He's been the biggest problem.
14:32I've had enough of Derek Clark, to be honest.
14:36It's a lot of it. It's not just the on-the-field stuff in which he's very bad.
14:40Don't look at the numbers.
14:44The numbers of Derek Clark will always tell you a different story than the tape,
14:48than the way his teammates respond to him and the way teams respond. He's gotten
14:52Dennis Allen fired twice. Dennis Allen's not a good head football coach. We said it in the summer.
14:56I said it when they hired him. Some guys are meant to be
15:00coordinators, and that's OK. We give Adam Gase such a hard time and whatever.
15:04Adam Gase was statistically not a bad coordinator, but he's not a good head coach,
15:08not a leader of men. Dennis Allen, really good defensive coordinator, one of the probably
15:12seven best defensive coordinators in football. He's gotten two head coaching shots now,
15:16and it's gone really, really bad. Again,
15:2018 and 24, hey, yeah, is that the worst thing you're ever going to see? No. Robert's always
15:2420 and 36. We've seen crazier things, but
15:28this Saints team, it felt like after Breeze, they should have blown it up
15:32and totally restarted. They didn't do it. This year was the perfect year to do it. Last year
15:36was the perfect year to do it, and they refused to do it.
15:40They go and pay Carr a bunch of money. They have to restructure his contract. Now he's locked
15:44in there. I know Michael Thomas is a loose cannon.
15:48Listen, I get it. There's a lot to go.
15:52We have way more important things to talk about than Michael Thomas on Twitter, but
15:56it's not that Michael Thomas is the only one tweeting it. Everyone focused on that.
16:00Chris Alave's brother, that to me was way more concerning.
16:04First of all, I hope we're going to talk about too, Chris Alave's take.
16:08It feels like every game, red zone flashes to Chris Alave
16:12evaluating for a concussion. That's scary in its
16:16own right, and I hope Chris takes as much time as he needs to come back. If I was him,
16:20I'm not sure I'm coming back this year, and I'm going to try to just fully get
16:24healthy and give myself a break in a lost season.
16:28Derek Carr's throws get these guys
16:32killed. Jawan Johnson yesterday too.
16:36One thing I think Rodgers does better than anybody, and Brady's talked about this, and a lot of the old
16:40school guys, is Rodgers will never put a guy in harm's way.
16:44If you notice, a lot of times people, oh, he underthrew him. No, no, he did that on purpose over the middle to make sure
16:48you slide, be able to get your head down, and whatever.
16:52It's the back hip thing too you see a lot when guys are going over the middle, and you're like, oh, that's
16:56a bad throw, and then you're like, well, no, there's a linebacker or a safety that if he
17:00puts the ball in front of him, he's a dead man. I'm going to give you
17:04a chance, but I'm also going to give you a chance to protect yourself. Yeah, 100%, and again,
17:08I don't want to spend too much time on the Saints. I just feel like if I'm them, I'm trading every single person
17:12on that team I can in the next 27
17:16hours. Cam Jordan, thanks for your service. You're very mouthy. You'll be good
17:20in media. You're a Saints legend. If you want to go try to win somewhere else,
17:24there you go. Demario Davis, same thing. Tyron Matthew.
17:28Kamara, I'm sure, is untradable based on the contract they just gave him again, which
17:32whatever. Anybody on that team you can move. I'd move and say
17:362026 or 2025, we're going to be a very bad team with Derek Carr
17:40as a lame duck quarterback. We're going to draft somebody, or maybe they believe in
17:44Rattler. Who knows? We're going to totally reset the cap. We're going to have
17:48the biggest dead cap hit in NFL history and the whole thing. We're going to do a little Broncos-ish
17:52from last year. We're going to reset. We're going to get
17:56ourselves a good head coach. We're going to get ourselves a GM.
18:00We're going to re-do this thing. Let me interrupt there for a second
18:04because to me, the Dennis Allen thing was
18:08predictable, should have happened, did happen. Okay, fine.
18:12Mickey Loomis has been coasting since 2017
18:16when he had the draft. The draft is one of the all-timers. Marshawn Lattimore,
18:20Ryan Ramsech, Marcus Williams. Those are your first three picks.
18:24Trey Hendrickson, Alex Anzalone, and Alvin Kamara.
18:28One of the best ones we've ever seen. Exactly. That really helped them
18:32bridge the gap between the first breeze and the back end of breeze.
18:36I'm not a huge believer in the cap. I say this all
18:40the time. You can make it do whatever you want. They've made it do whatever they
18:44wanted for eight or nine years. When you do that, eventually this does
18:48come up. You have guys with void years coming out the wazoo, big money
18:52that they're not worth. Eventually, whatever, seven, eight years
18:56into the thing, it does come to roost. It's come to roost now. Just take your medicine
19:00like you said. We're going to suck next year. We're going to play the kids.
19:04Whatever. We'll patch this roster together with undrafted free agents
19:08and a draft class and all that sort of thing. Like you said, move
19:12pieces for whatever you can at this point to just say
19:16we're starting it now. Let's reset. You mentioned in 2016, they had a great
19:20draft as well. Rankins, Michael Thomas, Vaughn Bell. After 2017,
19:24they've got one homegrown player that's made
19:28a Pro Bowl. One. Eric McCoy made one Pro Bowl
19:32center taken in the second round in 2019. Guys that are
19:36still around in the league that are decent. Pete Warner
19:40is a decent player for them. Olave, obviously, has
19:44potential. Gardner Johnson,
19:50who obviously is not even a corner and or there
19:54anymore. They took shots at Marcus Davenport. He was
19:58first round, I believe. Payton Turner, Trevor Penning.
20:02They also have these trades up. They gave up so much for Olave.
20:06We said it in the preseason show.
20:10What your best players are all outside of Kamara
20:14like 33 years old and are still functional and good,
20:18but they're just getting paid a bunch of money. You don't have a quarterback
20:22and the quarterback sucks the life out of the team.
20:26Other than that, you don't have a good head coach. The Saints fans deserve better
20:30and I just think when you recognize it's time to just
20:34blow it up. Denver said, look, the
20:38Rusty Olds sucked. Cut the cord. Let's move on.
20:42They're better off for it.
20:46You survived. Yeah, I survived. I survived there. I almost had to mute myself
20:50during that conference session. No, you're right. We spent a lot of time on them.
20:54They just need to
20:58take their medicine. Period. End of story. No, he's not taking their medicine.
21:02Another coaching move. The Raiders, they fire offensive coordinator Luke Getsy.
21:06They also fire the quarterbacks coach and the offensive line coach. This comes after
21:10the Raiders fifth straight loss. They got stomped by the Bengals yesterday.
21:14Raiders are 26 points per game, 18.7 per game,
21:1829th in yards per play, averaging just 4.6 yards per play.
21:22This Getsy thing was doomed from the start. He wasn't good in Chicago.
21:26They tried to hire. They had Cliff Kingsbury hired. The Raiders had
21:30Cliff Kingsbury hired this offseason. He wanted a third year.
21:34They balked at the third year. Two days later, he's now the offensive coordinator
21:38of the Commanders. We've seen how that's gone quite well. Good for Cliff.
21:42Cliff might get another head coaching job, which I never thought was going to happen. That thing couldn't have worked out
21:46better for Cliff in that regard.
21:50I come back to this. It's a bad roster. I don't think the head coach
21:54and I know the owner, they don't know what the hell they're doing over there. Antonio Pierce
21:58may have had the locker room. They may have usurped
22:02Josh McDaniels' power, rightfully so, and gotten Pierce hired.
22:06Despite playing a little bit feisty for them, talk about rudderless.
22:10I don't think he knows anything about what he's doing right now. He says the wrong things,
22:14he does the wrong things, and his team is not very good.
22:18A couple things. One, we called the Pierce thing in the offseason.
22:22You said the same thing. You said this is a bad idea.
22:26If you go back and look,
22:30they beat the Giants at home when Daniel Jones tore his ACL. They beat Zach Wilson
22:34and the Jets had no business losing that game. They beat the Chiefs
22:38on Thanksgiving. That was the one
22:42where you're like, wow. The Chiefs were a mess.
22:46They beat the Chargers with Easton
22:50Stick, and they beat the Broncos at the end of the year.
22:54Sometimes you've got to look deeper than just
22:58the win-loss. I don't know, man.
23:02The McDaniels thing was so bad that anybody was going to look good in that
23:06locker room. He was like, hey, former player, he speaks our language, we're having fun again.
23:10We get through the year. There was no pressure on the team.
23:14What people sometimes forget is once you're eliminated like that,
23:18some guys start playing better because there's no pressure. They just say F it.
23:22Other teams start to settle quick. That's why it's so hard to look at these schedules for any of these teams.
23:26Hey, we talked about the Jets. The schedule's easy.
23:30Miami might be awesome in three weeks, but Miami also might be two and nine.
23:34Those guys start to just pack it in. That's what happens
23:38in the NFL. The Pierce hire was a mess. I thought
23:42there were so many good candidates on the market this year. Let's go get a
23:46quarterback and an offensive guy, and they didn't do either. If you're going to go defense,
23:50I don't have a problem with a defensive head coach, but you've got to have a great offensive staff.
23:54Getsy couldn't have gotten run out of Chicago faster. He wasn't good in
23:58Green Bay. He wasn't good in Chicago. Another one of the Hackett-like guys
24:02where players don't hate him.
24:06Anyone that is a Justin Fields fan knew, which I am not,
24:10but knew Getsy was a bit of a sham.
24:14I think Albert Breer had the report this morning. Only one guy besides Getsy
24:18on that whole offensive staff had more than quality control experience.
24:22Now they fired three of them, pretty much anyone that had experience.
24:26What's the plan here? I don't think they're going to be in a position to take a quarterback.
24:30We're going to get the Deon
24:34and Chador thing to the Raiders for months.
24:38Anyone that takes Deon as a head coach, good luck.
24:42It's a Raiders move, but really the Raiders move should be
24:46I'm going to bring Lane Kiffin back. They won't, but I'm just saying we want to develop a quarterback
24:50and be a fun offense and go from there.
24:54They're frustrating because
24:58you look at that division. Sean Payton, who's probably the worst coach in the division
25:02right now, and he's a Super Bowl winning coach that's got the Broncos
25:06playing good football. I know they lost yesterday, but they're 5-4. They're in
25:10a better spot than I think anybody thought they'd be at this point. Andy Reid might be one of
25:14the three or four best head coaches we've ever seen in this league, and he's
25:18got the best player in the sport. And the Chargers, oh by the way, have
25:22nothing on offense besides Justin Herbert and a defense
25:26that's probably going to need to be redone in a year.
25:30And Jim Harbaugh is just, they're beating a lot of bad teams, I get it,
25:34but the Raiders are now in a division where I just feel like they're so far behind
25:38Mike. And I don't know, I don't know unless it's fixable, unless you're
25:42a Jaden Daniels situation where you're saying, hey, we're really far behind, but we get the guy.
25:46And I don't know if there's a guy in this class that makes you go
25:50that's the Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Caleb level prospect. I just don't see
25:54it at this moment. Yeah, and they reportedly did try to move up right in the
25:58draft to get, I think Jaden was the target, but whatever, whether
26:02it was Jaden, Drake May. It went so good at Arizona State for Antonio
26:06Pierce. No, it didn't really, that's a different story for a different day. You can Google
26:10that if you'd like, but yeah,
26:14it's interesting to me and you brought up the Chargers point and I know we're talking
26:18about the Raiders and their moves, but part of the league is about
26:22if you're building a competent organization
26:26and a competent football team, a smart football team, you beat
26:30those teams, right? You beat the bad teams. Oh, the backup quarterbacks playing?
26:34We don't lose that game. It may not be pretty, it may be 20-10, it may be 17-13,
26:38but we don't lose that game. You don't have those sorts of slip-ups and
26:42by and large in his first year, Harbaugh's avoided the slip-ups. Meanwhile, as you
26:46mentioned, Pierce and some of these coaches, Dennis Allen, constantly,
26:50constantly. The Saints yesterday, just to backtrack real quick, they dominated
26:54the game, dominated the Panthers and they still lose to the Panthers.
26:58That's what happens. Bad coach, bad staff,
27:02just the bad juju that goes along with it and the bad teams
27:06find ways to blow games like that when they're the dominant team and that
27:10seems to be sort of the track that Antonio Pierce is on. Hey, look,
27:14when it's all over, Mark Davis can fire him too, so then he'd be paying
27:18Josh, who else? Josh,
27:22Pierce, he's got like two other guys that he's still playing.
27:26Just brutal.
27:30What's crazy to me is that for an organization
27:34that is, let's be honest, there's a lot of reports about being somewhat cash
27:38poor, which is, again, I think people don't realize that doesn't mean that Raiders are a poor organization.
27:42It just means like in terms of guaranteed salaries, firing coaches, that's where these things
27:46come into play and I felt like this
27:50offseason was a chance to like, let's cut back on some
27:54budget. Maybe they did. I don't know what Antonio Pierce is getting paid. Most coaches' salaries
27:58are not fully reported the way they actually are. Belichick forever was like, oh, he's only making
28:022 million bucks and we found out he's making like 25.
28:06It's whatever, but I just felt like, again, they were another team this year
28:10where it was like, blow it up. Devante should have been traded six months ago.
28:14The Jets offered two twos last year at the deadline and they said no and then they
28:18sucked. Anyway, what a joke. We've said it before.
28:22I don't know. Maybe they're not going to do it and maybe whatever, but maybe this was
28:26the year to say, give it to Devante. Why do we shine Christian Wilkins to this
28:30huge deal if he's not going to really help us win? Why not just
28:34totally wipe it clean and build this thing from a young
28:38perspective and like, we're going to get two ones for Max Crosby, two twos for Devante
28:42and we won't sign Wilkins. We'll have all this cap space in 25, 26.
28:46I don't know. I just feel like they were stuck in the middle.
28:50Especially when you're in a division with moms. Band-Aids aren't going to work.
28:54You're going to have to build the thing up and have a roster that's really good from
28:58one to 53 and they clearly didn't have that.
29:02Carolina, two years ago, Brian Burns, was it two first round picks or a first and a
29:06second? Two ones in the Rams, yeah. And they say no. Then what do they trade them for?
29:10Second and a fifth, right? Bad organizations make bad
29:14decisions because they're looking at the short term and not the big picture.
29:18If you're looking at the short term, what are we really going to do this year?
29:22Even if we like eight and nine, nine and eight, what does that do for you?
29:26It doesn't do anything for you because your roster is still bad. Now you're picking later.
29:30It just skews the whole thought process.
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30:46Nailed it. Dak Prescott, as of this pod, just reportedly missing
30:50multiple weeks. We can stick a fork in the Dallas Cowboys.
30:54How about the shot of him on the sidelines? We bleep and blow. Was he wrong?
30:58No, he wasn't wrong. I love the outrage.
31:02We always say these guys are in the spotlight
31:06and you got to be careful of what you do, but he's on the sidelines. They're in the middle of a game.
31:10He's not thinking the camera might be trained on me. He just says to one of his guys
31:14like, hey, we bleep and blow. And he's right. They do.
31:18It's a bad football team. Micah Parsons, stop podcasting about top 10 quarterbacks and not
31:22putting a guy who is your guy and also is clearly a top 10 guy.
31:26That's not great either. Would trademark Micah Parsons in a
31:30heartbeat, but he won't. I would too. You want to pay him $35-40 million a year?
31:34Have fun. Let's go to Lions Packers. Supposed to be the best
31:38game of the day. Turns out, terrible weather, so that did not help.
31:42Lions win 24-14, sort of
31:46increase their stranglehold on the division.
31:50The thing that jumped out to me is the Packers are error repeaters.
31:54That is a deadly sin in the National Football League.
31:58Bad decisions by a hobbled quarterback in Jordan Love threw another pick six.
32:02That's his second this year. He's got 10 interceptions on the season.
32:06He had a half dozen drops, three bad snaps.
32:10Turnover on downs when they had three cracks to gain one yard. Second, third, and
32:14fourth down. Could not get a single solitary yard.
32:18Penalties continue to be a problem for them as well.
32:22They're an extremely talented football game. We talked about it on Friday. You could say
32:26these are the two best teams talent-wise in the NFC.
32:30I don't know that my thought has changed on that in terms of talent, but the Packers have to
32:34fix some things here because that was kind of a stinker at home against the Lions.
32:38Yeah, I wish I could combine Matt LaFleur and
32:42the Eagles roster and flip it because I think
32:46the Packers are frustrating. I was really frustrated watching yesterday. You're at home
32:50and I know the weather sucks. I get it.
32:54It felt like a playoff game. It sucked for both teams.
32:58No Jamison Williams, obviously.
33:02The Lions talked a lot of crap going into this game. There's some plays that I know people are
33:06upset about the Jordan Love play. I'm not telling you not to be. If someone did that to Aaron Rodgers,
33:10I'd be the same way. The Lions definitely have a little bit of a reputation
33:14of they probably are one or two steps over the line
33:18a lot of times. I don't want to go too far down that road
33:22because I don't know intent. I don't know what's being said,
33:26but that play in the branch. I thought the injection was a little
33:30soft. Brady was killing them, which would be interesting if he gets in trouble for that,
33:34which is crazy, but it actually isn't really. It's the first time I think he
33:38just got into it, which I love. I want Brady to be into the games. I don't want to hear
33:42the, do your job.
33:46He's trying to be Mr. Professional announcer. What we need him to be is the guy
33:50who was the best at his position for 20-something years
33:54and knows everything that any defense is trying to do and knows what guys
33:58should be doing, running routes, blocking the whole nine yards. Give me that guy
34:02and give me the competitor. That's what your point there is. You saw
34:06the competitor come out. What the hell are we doing here?
34:10The other point, Brady got pissed, which is the play of the entire game that drove me nuts.
34:14Jordan Love, they talked about on the Fox set
34:18that if this wasn't the Lions, he wouldn't be playing. To me, that
34:22makes me worried because if he wasn't really healthy in that weather,
34:26what? He was hampered, clearly. He was hampered,
34:30but if you give him two weeks to fully recover and finally get
34:34healthy, I feel like he might be better off in the long run than now.
34:38He could have gotten really hurt yesterday. Well, doesn't this go back to him coming back from
34:42the MCL? He came back from the MCL against the Vikings, played terrible until
34:46late in that game when it was over, and then he just hucked it up a bunch of times.
34:50Then the next week, you look good, so you're like, oh, no, no, it was the right thing to do.
34:54I'm sorry. The body is all connected.
34:58If the MCL ain't totally right, is it a surprise that maybe he
35:02strained his groin because his leg isn't right? No.
35:06They would have been better off then, and we said it then. This isn't second guessing. I said they should play
35:10Malik Willis another game. They were 2-0 with him as a starter. Just let it ride one more game,
35:14and if you lose, okay, fine, but you buy yourself a little bit more time. Instead,
35:18they rush him back. They split those games. He's not playing great, and
35:22now here you go again where
35:26when's he going to be right? You need him to be right. If you're going to be the team that we think you can be,
35:30he has to be what we saw at the end of last year and what we've seen at various points this year
35:34in terms of some of the stuff that he's capable of doing, and they're
35:38risking that by doing what they did yesterday. Who knows how he's feeling today? I bet
35:42it's not very good. No. Brady got pissed. He was the second one. He loves rolling
35:46out, rolling out, almost fumbles the ball, and Brady's like, throw the ball away. Throw it away.
35:50Throw it away. Throw it away, and he's like, what are you doing? Get rid of
35:54the football. It's second and one. You need this possession.
35:58What's the best case? You throw a touchdown here, and it's the craziest
36:02play we've ever seen. Why? And then third and one
36:06throws behind him because it's wet out, and that's if he drops it
36:10because that's what happens, and then fourth and one, you don't get it.
36:14The Packers are just frustrating because they are really good. I like
36:18their head coach a lot. I like their roster a lot. I like their young players. I like their quarterback. I like all that
36:22stuff, but they still make a lot of really dumb
36:26mistakes that they're not beating Detroit if they can't figure
36:30that out. I don't know that they're beating Philly unless Nick Sirianni pukes
36:34all over himself in a game. I don't think they're a better team right now than the way Philly's looked
36:38with Ryan the football and the way they've started to play much
36:42better on the offensive side of the football. I don't know that in a game against
36:46San Francisco or even the Rams, I trust not only the coach, but I
36:50trust the infrastructure a little bit more right now. I'm not trying to beat up on the Packers.
36:54They're still a really good team. They're one of the four best teams in the NFC, minimum
36:58as a floor, but Love makes a lot of
37:02mistakes still that you're like, man, I feel like this would have been out of your game
37:06now, but I know maybe that's part of it. We're not going to talk too much about
37:10Darnold last night. I know they're very different caliber of players, but I can live with
37:14Sam making mistakes if he's going to throw touchdowns and make
37:18all these awesome down the field throws. I can live with that with Love,
37:22but if that's not going to be part of your game because you're hampered injury-wise,
37:26it's just frustrating. I felt like Malik
37:30Willis and the Reigns are probably actually your best bet because you could run the football 65
37:34times. Their best player was Josh Jacobs.
37:38Then Love would get basically three full weeks to recover from the groin.
37:42Maybe you put a wrinkle in a Detroit. They lose Branch and they
37:46lose Hutchinson. I don't know. It just feels like
37:50Detroit's taking every... The Green Bay sucks stuff from
37:54Amarosa Brown and all that stuff. They're backing
37:58everything up. I think
38:02Detroit's a significantly better team at this present moment than Kansas City is.
38:06I don't know if they'll beat them because Mahomes is that guy
38:10and reads that guy and the Chiefs are really good,
38:14but right now in a neutral field, the Lions should be three-point favorites, if not more,
38:18against every single team in the league because all three phases are awesome and they're probably
38:22going to trade for Zedaria Smith or a pass rusher in the next 24 hours and go,
38:26oh man, this team's not going to play outside the rest of the season.
38:30I don't know. They're really impressive. They smoked them yesterday.
38:34I don't know. They're really damn good.
38:38It's a very good football team. Lions held the Packers to 1-4
38:42in the red zone. Again, did it without Branch who got ejected.
38:46Goff didn't have huge numbers yesterday and I take back that he should be the MVP
38:50because Lamar was awesome again yesterday and he's overtaken
38:54him in my power rankings, but smart, decisive with the
38:58football, accurate, didn't turn it over. They just played a clean game. That was a
39:02good road football game from, as you mentioned,
39:06an excellent football team. Let's move on to the Bills who survived
39:10the Miami Dolphins 30-27. Tyler Bass kicking a
39:1461-yard field goal with 10 seconds left in the game.
39:18He's tearing up in the locker room. Teammates are tearing up. It was a
39:22whole thing. I love football, by the way, just the emotion of it was fantastic.
39:26The game-winning kick set up by Jordan Poirier,
39:30one of the cornerstones of the Bills' rebuild, who goes
39:34headshot on Keon Coleman, led with the head,
39:38should know better than that, just gifted them the opportunity
39:42to win the football game. And quite frankly, up until that point, I gave Miami
39:46a lot of credit. They never win in Buffalo. McDermott's owned that offense.
39:50Allen has owned their defense, the whole thing, and they had a chance
39:54there and a veteran guy who you brought in to help stabilize the back
39:58end for you ends up screwing it up.
40:02The Bills have some holes I kind of come
40:06away from. They've had some interesting things. Consistently all year, they've
40:10been bad out of the gate. They haven't started well, which
40:14right away played into Miami, gave them some confidence early on. Like, hey, OK, this might be
40:18different this time for the first time in a long time.
40:22Because they dug themselves a hole, they stopped running the football, which I think has still been
40:26sort of their commitment to it has gone in and out.
40:30It's gone in and out, and it shouldn't. I think they're
40:34a good running football team. I think that's a really good offensive line. They've got some things
40:38to figure out. Defensively, Vaughn Miller was back
40:42yesterday to not much impact. Kind of affected Greg Rousseau, who had been awesome
40:46the last couple games, but they moved Rousseau around a little bit. And they need Milano to come
40:50back. And that apparently is now not a matter of if, but when.
40:54Obviously, the sooner the better so they can get some of that rust off
40:58as he's missed the entirety of the season. And that would make a big difference for them
41:02as they go forward and try to contend with getting through Kansas City
41:06and Baltimore in the AFC. Yeah, this game was just weird
41:10because it felt like, kind of felt like Miami is in a similar spot
41:14to the Jets. Maybe it's a little bit more was more dire for the Jets
41:18because they had another bye, but it felt like both teams this week had games where like they weren't
41:22expected to win. You know, playing two teams that are very much playoff teams and like
41:26to keep themselves alive. And yes, Miami is technically still alive.
41:30This week, I guess, is more like their version of what the Jets had last week, but
41:34I come away from this game like to a played
41:38really efficient football. He's much more in quick release game manager
41:42mode and the offense is much more like they need to run the football in order to be
41:46successful. And that's totally fine. Like I don't have a problem with that at all.
41:50The defense on Miami is just I don't think is
41:54is great. I think there's some nice pieces there, but I don't think it's a
41:58great defense. And then like you mentioned Buffalo, you know, bass misses
42:02the extra point and then nails a 61 yarder as you know, to win the game naturally as you know,
42:06all kickers do. Buffalo's kind of escaped danger a lot this year
42:10and I still feel like they're a really good team. I still feel like Josh is awesome. I'm not
42:14beating up on them. I just there is definitely some like
42:18I think Josh Allen's 60% of his yards on this on the year are now
42:22yak yards and like he was used to be in the 30s and 40s. They're just a different offense and
42:26I don't know. I maybe they're built more built for cold weather and maybe they're kind of
42:30their identities change a little bit and stuff, but something's
42:34they're very light through the middle and I just I
42:38think to myself like they play Baltimore again is Baltimore
42:42gonna do the same thing that they did in the first time or is Kansas City gonna go?
42:46Hey, we have Pacheco back by the time they'd see them like, you know, do they
42:50they pound the rock 35 times or just this Houston go back
42:54like they played a lot of these teams already. We kind of know what we're getting.
42:58I don't know. I just Miami's not dead, but they kind of have to go on
43:02a huge run here and I don't I feel like they're closer
43:06to imploding than not like if they lose another one or two games, they're probably
43:10done and then they have such a veteran heavy highly paid team
43:14that it's like those are the guys you usually see kind of coast a little bit
43:18as opposed to like this isn't a young team with all these guys. It's gonna play really hard for you.
43:22I would say you don't think Jalen Ramsey is going to be re locked in for 17 games.
43:26I can't see Tyreek Tyreek is it's it has been weird. They got
43:30I still feel like they haven't regotten those guys back
43:34involved to the extent that I was expecting. Well, watching the game
43:38back the and this is the second week in a row.
43:42And this is understandable. The two is still
43:46jittery very jittery and they're definitely right and they're
43:50totally trying to let him get the ball out quick
43:54like they're there. It feels like they're not even attempting to really push
43:58the ball down the field. You know, like if you're going to do it, it's going to be you're going to hit the
44:02fifth step on your drop and you're just going to let it go right or the seventh step on your drop and you're
44:06putting the ball up to a spot and go let Waddle or Tyreek go get it. But
44:10you're not sitting back there going through your progressions and then trying to
44:14make a play because you know, look obviously we understand we
44:18understand why but even though they had 27 points yesterday, their
44:22offense since from a from a past standpoint is still been kind of limited. You know, it's
44:26the best part of their game yesterday was running the football with most
44:30in a chain. Yeah. So and right by the way, who's
44:34again one of those weird picks by them. They didn't need
44:38that him in the third or fourth round, but he's a he's a really fun player.
44:42He's a really good football player. So yeah, Miami
44:46cooked the bills now seven and two just completely
44:50running away with the division. Someone tweeted today like as for
44:54as lopsided as it was all those years of the Patriots when they ruled the AFC East.
44:58This might be as just about a whooping in the division. You know, if the
45:02bills can maintain this pace and everybody else sort of middles or as Miami
45:06and those are an interesting spot. The rest of their schedules like damn near
45:10yet Indy this week then Kansas City San Fran
45:14the Rams the Lions and Pat's Jets Bill. I mean Pat's Jets
45:18Pat's like they're probably still going to be like an 11 and
45:2212 and 511 and 6 just because I don't I can see them like dropping a few here.
45:26Maybe, you know, I got the primetime cheese primetime Niners
45:30primetime Rams primetime like maybe they go to and to their two and
45:34one and three whatever but they're going to unless they
45:38epically collapse, which I just don't see happening. This
45:42division's pretty much over like it's as close to over as it's going
45:46to be and that's about can I keep pace with Baltimore
45:50Pittsburgh and Houston to try to get that to see because
45:54again, like maybe it's Cincinnati or the Jets which in the seven seed, but
45:58it also could be like Denver or Indy and you're like, you know, you're basically
46:02writing a ticket to the divisional rounds, right? And they've got to come to you in Buffalo difficult place to
46:06play where yeah, I mean Joe Burrow went in there a few years ago and
46:10the playoffs but not an ideal place to go play. We got
46:14one more game to hit but I want to quickly run through a game time, which is absolutely
46:18fantastic. Okay. So now the World Series is over. We'll spend an arm and a leg to
46:22go watch the Yankees lose. I'm not reveling in that at all. I swear not at
46:26all. We'll not not
46:30Hey look the Red Sox are going to do absolutely nothing in free agency again, or they're
46:34going to sign someone to a hundred million dollar contract and you'd be like really that's
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47:30Seahawks because they were your pick right coming out of the
47:34Seahawks the NFC and I had Lions Rams NFC title
47:38game right Chiefs Ravens Chiefs Jets and it did not
47:42look good. They're a lot of injuries. They were in a bad way. Well now they want three in a row
47:46including an overtime victory over Seattle in which Matt Stafford once again proves.
47:50He's underrated. Is he underrated? I think he's underrated. I just
47:54I think he's I think he's damn good. He's been damn good. Yeah.
47:58This game was I'm pretty down on Seattle.
48:02I think we there's some moments. They look really
48:06good and I think McDonald's done a good job and in terms of kind of
48:10you can see that the imprints of what they want to be and there's moments where Gino
48:14looks good that he's been okay this year. Good not I think he's been more 2022
48:18ish but not I think it's a little bit the completion percentage
48:22can be a little deceiving versus the rest of the overall play
48:26Jason was a monster yesterday and a lot of things they
48:30they blocked the punt. Their offensive line sucks
48:34and like Braden Fisk who on our first ever episode I gave a
48:38shout out as one of the underrated guys and obviously Jared Verse you know what a draft
48:42less need. Why don't we talk about him as the best GM in football? I mean I
48:46the way he drafts is it's unbelievable. Yeah
48:50after years of giving away their early picks they absolutely crushed their
48:54early picks. You're almost like what would he have done if he had all those picks? Like could he have gotten a better guy
48:58Yes he effed the picks. Got him a Super Bowl so you can't really
49:02knock it but yeah he's done a fantastic job. He's done a great job and again
49:06Stafford makes the plays that are needed. I thought McVay kind of
49:10did a little too. He had a few moments where I was like I hate when McVay does this where he gets a little
49:14conservative and like he threw on third and three there when I don't feel like he had to and he could
49:18have gone down and won the game at the end of regulation but overall this Rams
49:22defense is really young. I still don't fully trust them personally
49:26but they've got some pieces to build around obviously and then on offense
49:30like the Puka ejection, listen I understand the letter
49:34of the law and technically it was a closed fist punch so I'm not
49:38advocating it wasn't but it felt as weak of an ejection as you'll see for
49:42that type of, I mean it kind of felt like a, I don't even know it didn't feel like
49:46a punch. Maybe I'm wrong. I feel we
49:50see those dust ups and we don't get
49:54ejections often. It's just like alright these guys are. The league office was trigger happy yesterday.
49:58Yes they were. There were a lot of phone calls or
50:02buzzing in of your pieces saying you got to do this or you got to do that.
50:06Yeah but overall the Rams are red hot. They've won three in a row.
50:10They've beaten good teams. They've beaten Minnesota and Seattle and these other teams.
50:14This is not San Francisco. This is not
50:18their cake walking through the easy part of their schedule. It's all about
50:22staying healthy with Stafford, Puka, and Kopp in the offensive line.
50:26If they can do that, I don't know if they'll win the division or not. I think that they have a good
50:30shot for sure and if they can figure out a way to win the division.
50:34Mike I don't know how to explain this and by the way the Gino interceptions yesterday were horrible.
50:38I mean they were really bad but the one take away I guess from this Rams team
50:42is are they the team I trust most on the road in the NFL?
50:46They basically play road games all year and I don't feel like they, I feel like
50:50they have a higher level of performance on the road. Maybe the numbers aren't, I'm not looking at any stats
50:54but just like feel, Seattle, Detroit, they go in there
50:58and they play their game. Well think about last year too. Remember they went into Baltimore
51:02late in the year, crappy weather and went toe to toe with Baltimore. Phenomenal game.
51:06They're like the opposite of the Rams teams that have won the Super Bowls and
51:10we're in Super Bowls back in the late 90s. Actually that Rams team had to be at home.
51:14This is like the opposite. I actually feel like they might play better outside in these weird
51:18elements. It's because they're tough man. Their offensive line is tough. Stafford is as tough
51:22as it gets. Puka and Kup are really physical.
51:26I don't want to get too high on this team. I'd love to see them maybe make one move and
51:30strengthen that defense a little bit if they could but
51:34realistically if I was betting on one team to win the division, unless McCaffrey is going to be
51:38McCaffrey when he comes back, I trust the Rams more than the Cardinals right now and
51:42that division is wide open. Seattle has got to be kicking themselves four in a row at home.
51:46They've lost. You can't do that if you want to be a serious contender.
51:50No, no. I think we talked about
51:54I was high on Seattle because I'm high on McDonald but he doesn't have the pieces
51:58yet and they've had some injuries. It hasn't been
52:02between that and the offensive line, the inconsistent run game when Kenneth
52:06Walker is a really damn good player. They're hard to beat.
52:10Yeah, he doesn't get the rock enough because they're just not moving people enough or whatever.
52:14They're not stopping enough and they just go full pass mode.
52:18They need to strike a little bit better balance. That is going to wrap up this edition of the All 32.
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52:34Peace.