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"Siyasi Jamaton kay Baghair koi Tajveez Agay nahi Jasakti ye Baat PTI ko Jitni Jaldi Samaj Ajaye..." Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
"Siyasi Jamaton kay Baghair koi Tajveez Agay nahi Jasakti ye Baat PTI ko Jitni Jaldi Samaj Ajaye..." Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
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00:00If I understand your statement correctly, if I recall correctly what you said half a day ago
00:05that the national government should be led by a person like Mastad-e-Wizaarat-e-Uzma
00:09who is favoured by Zardari, Khan and Nawaz Sharif
00:14then in today's date, Nawaz Sharif will not be happy with this, Zardari will not be happy with this
00:18but if on a scale of 1 to 10, his approval will be 5
00:23then Khan's approval will be zero
00:25In today's date, Imran Khan will be the one to oppose this proposal the most
00:30Am I not right?
00:32No, Imran Khan, the thing is that there are only two ways
00:37either like in Bangladesh, you will take to the streets
00:42and then what will happen?
00:44There will be violence, there will be a scene
00:46who will win till the end of your hair?
00:49We don't know, those are unseen consequences
00:52Nobody knows what will happen there
00:54My personal fear is that
00:56in this case, the extremist groups and people who have created a scene here in D-Chowk
01:01you can then target Pakistan there
01:04and that will be a big problem for Pakistan
01:08so we have to avoid that
01:10Your proposal is actually for the chairman of PTI
01:12that sir, please step back a little
01:14towards the political parties
01:16sit with them and together nominate the national government so that the country can move forward
01:20Am I right?
01:21Without the inclusion of the political parties
01:25no proposal can move forward
01:27Only the establishment cannot solve the problems
01:30and it is better if the PTI understands this as soon as possible
01:34and it is better if the establishment understands this as soon as possible
01:37that you have to bring the PTI into this equation
01:40These two who are currently standing on completely different positions
01:45they will have to step back from their positions one by one
01:49and you will have to create a national government for a cooling off period
01:53Obviously, if you ask the PTI
01:56the PTI will be elected tomorrow
01:58there will be an independent election commission
02:00PTI will win 3-4 seats
02:02but then you will have to convince the non-league and people's party
02:06that what we have done with the people's party and PTI
02:10if they come to do this, then what?
02:12You have to convince them that this will not happen
02:15and we have to make Pakistan normal
02:17For that, it is important that there is a cooling off period
02:19But Fawad sahab, on a daily basis
02:21there is something happening
02:23which is taking the relationship to a new level
02:26in terms of corruption
02:28Today, they gave a statement
02:30that Faiz Ameed should be trialled in an open court
02:32From there, the news started circulating in the media
02:34about the security measures
02:36that who is he to say
02:38whether it should be an open trial or not
02:40This is our internal matter
02:42Keep this in mind, quote unquote
02:44If they are trialled, it will not be an open trial
02:46And when it happens, we will know
02:48what to do and what not to do
02:50Now, obviously, the matter has gone one step further
02:52Do you think this statement was necessary?
02:54Till yesterday, they were saying that
02:56Faiz Ameed should go, Fawad should go
02:58What does it have to do with me?
03:00Today, when they say that open court should be trialled
03:02Who are you to say that?
03:04Was it necessary to give this statement to Mr. Khan?
03:06Should open court be trialled?
03:08Look, I think the people who are going to react
03:10did it in a hurry
03:12They did not listen to the entire statement
03:14What I have read in Don,
03:16the entire context of the statement
03:18is that if General Faiz
03:20is involved in 9th May,
03:22I am already saying that
03:24the case of 9th May should go to open court
03:26so that the person who is at fault
03:28can come in front of the people
03:30So, they have fully qualified
03:32that if this is the case,
03:34then what I was saying earlier
03:36that he should go ahead according to that
03:38And that statement is their consistency
03:40What they are saying earlier, they are still saying
03:43So, you were not saying about Mr. Fareed
03:45that his trial should be open court
03:47No, no, no
03:49If you open the website of Don
03:51and read the entire statement
03:53then the problem is that
03:55I had once told my waitress
03:57that please request Mr. Khan
03:59on my behalf
04:01that when he answers the questions
04:03of the reporters
04:05then the question is not coming
04:07only their answer is reported
04:09which does not reveal the context
04:11So, if they only talk about themselves
04:13and do not ask questions
04:15then communication will be better in jail
04:17This communication problem
04:19is a major issue
04:21So, your opinion is
04:23that they are saying
04:25that my trial should be open court
04:27which I am saying from the first day
04:29I will not say anything about Mr. Nameen
04:31Exactly, that is very clear
04:33what they have contested
04:35this is exactly what is written in Don
04:37And if they had said this
04:39So, your opinion is
04:41that if it is open court
04:43then it is not possible
04:45and there is a high demand for it
04:47Is it so?
04:49Look, Vasim, you and I
04:51do not know about the charges
04:53Now, the law of open court
04:55is very different
04:57For example,
04:59the court martial is only against
05:01the serving officers
05:03and the officer who retires
05:05after 6 months
05:08This is the military law
05:10Now, the press release
05:12says that
05:14this is related to
05:16top city issues
05:18So, the military trial
05:20will take place
05:22We do not have any information
05:24about the charges
05:26So, I would not like to comment
05:28But the military law
05:30on mutiny is very clear
05:32that it will not happen after 6 months
05:34I am sure
05:36If the press release is
05:38on the level of an institution
05:40then it will be after 6 months
05:42Towards the end
05:44You also
05:46Because there are many things
05:48related to Mr. Faiz Ameed and Mr. Khan
05:50You remember, you and I
05:52were in a session
05:54Not about Mr. Faiz
05:56You said in a podcast
05:58that the chief election commissioner
06:00who is a big accusation of Mr. Imran Khan
06:02that the whole election was manoeuvred
06:04by Noon League
06:06through Mr. Faiz Ameed
06:08This is very strange
06:10Officially, the name given by Noon League
06:12was not there
06:14So, the name of Mr. Khan
06:16was suggested
06:18And Mr. Faiz Ameed's service
06:20was not from Noon League
06:22First of all, you and I
06:24are students of Pakistan's politics
06:26from a long time
06:28We debate on this
06:30Any DG ISI
06:33has a very close relationship with the Prime Minister
06:35Whether it is General Hameed Gul
06:37Whether it is General Javed Nasir
06:39Whether it is General Ehsan
06:41Or General Faiz
06:43Or anybody
06:45General Nadeem
06:47has a close relationship with the Prime Minister
06:49Because
06:51there is a demand for his working
06:53So, in the same way
06:55General Faiz also has a close relationship
06:57But this impression
06:59that General Faiz
07:01was so powerful
07:03that he used to veto Imran Khan
07:05Whoever knows
07:07Imran Khan
07:09knows that this is not possible
07:11And Imran Khan does not have
07:13such a personality
07:15that he can be easily vetoed
07:17There were a lot of things
07:19that he used to say
07:21and Imran Khan did not agree
07:23For example, Usman Guzdar
07:25General Faiz
07:27and General Bajwa
07:29Imran Khan did not agree
07:31This particular thing
07:33of Sultan Sikandar Raja
07:35Noon League and People's Party
07:37and PTI
07:39were tied in that committee
07:41And at that time
07:43Sultan Sikandar Raja's name
07:45came from
07:47General Faiz
07:49Sultan Sikandar Raja was very close
07:51He is the son-in-law of Saeed Mehdi
07:53He was very close to Noon League
07:55And he made this name
07:57Later I came to know
07:59that he gave this name
08:01through Imran Khan
08:03Later Imran Khan himself said
08:27And PTI's official Twitter account
08:29says that
08:31If Faiz Ameed is the main character
08:33of the 9th May conspiracy
08:35then the Army Chiefs demand
08:37that Faiz Ameed should be trialled
08:39in an open court
08:41And the facts will be revealed
08:43So according to Don's story
08:45he is using Faiz Ameed's name
08:47No, he said that
08:49if he has a role in 9th May
08:51then the 9th May trial
08:53should be an open trial
08:56But he is also saying
08:58that Faiz Ameed should be trialled
09:00in an open court
09:02He is saying that
09:04if he has a role in 9th May
09:06then he should be trialled
09:08in an open court
09:10And the facts will be revealed
09:12Earlier it seemed that
09:14General Faiz's trial
09:16should be an open trial
09:18But he said that
09:20if he has a role in 9th May
09:22then he should be trialled