" PTI Ki Top Leader Ship TV Talk Shows Par Baithi Hui Hai. .. " Barrister Danyal Chaudhry Ki Guftagu
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00:00Mr. Daniyal, what does the poet want to say in this couplet?
00:03When you say that there are some internal issues.
00:05Mr. Pallavi, let me clarify something.
00:09First, let's talk about success and failure.
00:12Now, you have 20 TV channels open.
00:15If you look at the 20 TV channels,
00:17all the eight of them are sitting in TV talk shows.
00:22Someone has a red chair, someone has a white chair.
00:25Someone is sitting in the drawing room, someone is sitting in the studio.
00:27And you have a picture of yourself.
00:29You have a picture of yourself.
00:32Someone's hand is behind you in this picture.
00:35Who's hand is behind you?
00:39Okay, tell us.
00:40All the people in this show
00:44are from Punjab and other provinces.
00:47This is a show from the whole of Punjab, the whole of Pakistan.
00:49All the leaders of this show
00:51were sitting in their offices and their homes.
00:55When it comes to fighting, killing and taking lives,
01:00the children of the people are made into human shields.
01:03If the government had to answer for that bullet,
01:06or had to answer for those bullets,
01:08then the government has a lot of bullets.
01:10Okay? And the government has a lot of power.
01:13But we are trying to make them understand
01:15that they are our own children.
01:17They are our own people.
01:18And the governments, political parties,
01:21don't push on such points
01:23that you make a group of people
01:27stand in front of the government.
01:30We don't want to turn them into a militia.
01:32And we don't want to take any action against them.
01:35We are trying to make them understand
01:38that if you want to test them with force,
01:41then no one can win against the government.
01:42Otherwise, there were a lot of countries around Pakistan
01:46that have fulfilled their desire.
01:47And if they want to, they can't.
01:49But they are our own children.
01:51They are our own people.
01:52You use human shields against them.
01:55And you bring them from the provinces,
01:57and through the government machinery,
01:59you are trying to attack the federal government.
02:03This is not acceptable.
02:05If this had happened in any other country in the world,
02:08there would have been other consequences.
02:10But regardless of all these things,
02:13we are trying to instill sanity in their people.
02:17But can you please explain to us
02:19what you are trying to say
02:21that Mr. Gaur has gone to meet Mr. Khan
02:23to talk about the internal affairs of the PTI.
02:25What do you mean by that?
02:26What internal affairs are you talking about?
02:27Mr. Pradhan, one person negotiates on one issue.
02:31The other person comes out of the container
02:32and says, we don't want to go here, we want to go there.
02:35One person says, I am leading.
02:37The other person says, I am leading.
02:38The third person says, I am the brother.
02:39I have conveyed the message.
02:41There are four contractors here.
02:43And you are being so kind to PTI
02:44that you are telling Mr. Gaur to go to meet Mr. Khan
02:48and tell him that this is going on in the party.
02:50I think we didn't tell him this.
02:52He is trying to clear his own issues.
02:55But someone is allowing Mr. Gaur.
02:58That's why he is able to meet Mr. Khan.
03:00Mr. Pradhan, the people who have been killed
03:02and the people who have been martyred,
03:04their blood will not be shed.
03:06Someone has to be answerable for it.
03:08It is not possible that you shoot 20,000 shells
03:11at the Patti Pahadi.
03:13You shoot bullets.
03:14You attack the police.
03:18You steal their uniforms.
03:22You loot the toll plaza.
03:28And you take money from the cashier's box.
03:34And you can go unaccounted for.
03:36That is not possible.
03:38Mr. Hassan, you...
03:40Okay.
03:47Mr. Hassan, you tell us...
03:50Okay.
03:55Okay.
03:58Mr. Hassan, when Mr. Mohsin Naqvi...
04:00The note is here, Mr. Daniyal.
04:02You are saying that such incidents have taken place.
04:04Mr. Hassan, let's conclude this.
04:06When Mr. Mohsin Naqvi says,
04:08Mr. Gauhar, I don't know much about the PTI.
04:11I went to talk to him about some internal matters.
04:12Or Mr. Daniyal.
04:14What does he mean by this?
04:15What does the poet want to say in this couplet?
04:17Mr. Hassan.
04:20I don't know what he wants to say.
04:22Okay, I don't understand.
04:23Let me tell you something.
04:2533 Afghan nationals were arrested during the SCO.
04:30And in addition to this, in 9th May,
04:33about 4 to 6 Afghan nationals were punished in 9th May.
04:39Yes.
04:40In addition to this, I remembered that on 9th and 10th May,
04:43a lot of government properties were burnt.
04:45And at that time, a big happening scene was seen.
04:47And some people were celebrating on Twitter and social media.
04:51And they were waving their success flags.
04:54Then after that, 11th May came.
04:56After that, 12th May came.
04:58Then 13th, 14th.
04:59And after that, our political space
05:01was lost by a political group called Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
05:05Then its people used to hold press conferences
05:07and express their disconnect with their community.
05:10So, these are the things that we should not forget
05:14in the past.
05:16This political party.
05:17So, the proof of intellectualism is that you should avoid clashes.
05:23The proof of intellectualism is that
05:26they have been offered a kind of
05:28a negotiating committee to sit at a place of consultation.
05:32And move forward in matters.
05:34You will also get face-saving.
05:35If you don't do this,
05:37and move towards clashes,
05:39then you won't be able to get anything from the Prime Minister's office.
05:42Even if you get something one day,
05:43then after two or three days, something will happen.
05:46So, whatever will happen,
05:47it has a big cost.
05:48And the political space that Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has regained,
05:52will be lost again.
05:53One last thing.
05:54The pressure that has been put on PTI,
05:57if any, or whatever it is,
05:59has the state offered any relaxation to PTI?
06:07If yes, what is it?
06:09That we will do this, if you cooperate.
06:11Some relaxation will be that
06:14the committees will sit,
06:16and the people who have political cases,
06:19only purely political cases,
06:21will sit and check on them.
06:25And then, in the prosecution,
06:27I am talking to myself,
06:28that in the prosecution,
06:29later on, in the courts,
06:31they can change their view,
06:34so that they can benefit from the case,
06:36and get out of the courts.
06:39This is the only possibility.
06:40Apart from this, if you think that
06:42Bani Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf will be released,
06:45these are not even on cards.
06:46Let's take your question.
06:47Sir, thank you very much.
06:49Shoaib Sahib, thank you very much, I am grateful.
06:51Daniyal Sahib and Hassan Ayub Sahib,
06:53thank you very much.