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00:00:00In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
00:00:16Peace be upon you. Welcome to Bakhawar Sawera.
00:00:18Good morning. Today we are here with a big surprise.
00:00:22All of a sudden.
00:00:23All of a sudden.
00:00:23This is all of a sudden.
00:00:25The weather is not all of a sudden.
00:00:27But before that, I am Sadaf Abdul Jabbar and he is with me, Ashfaq.
00:00:31I hope that you are all fine.
00:00:33Let's get you ready.
00:00:37So that you know that you are ready.
00:00:39This is very important.
00:00:40Today you look very fresh to me.
00:00:42Because of the rain, when you sleep, there are quite a few reasons that make you fresh.
00:00:47I have noticed one thing, Sadaf.
00:00:49More sleep than needed and less sleep than needed, both are harmful.
00:00:53Can more sleep than needed vary from person to person?
00:00:57Because for me, 4-5 hours or 6 hours of sleep is enough.
00:01:004-5 hours is very less.
00:01:02It makes you functional. Yes, it is less.
00:01:05But 6 hours, 6 hours is a lot.
00:01:08If it is more than 6 hours, then there will be a headache.
00:01:11Sleep at night is very important.
00:01:13But in the daytime nap, people usually sleep for 3-4 hours.
00:01:19That is also not good.
00:01:20The concept of power nap is finished.
00:01:23Earlier, during good times, when people used to have good shifts,
00:01:26which people crave these days,
00:01:29there used to be an effect of Kailula.
00:01:32That is, after lunch, you take a nap for a while.
00:01:35Some people do this in offices too.
00:01:38If they have an officer, they can do it.
00:01:40Yes, a lot of people do it in the office.
00:01:43There is also a concept of look busy, do nothing.
00:01:46We will not go that way.
00:01:48Anyway.
00:01:49We are honours, so we have to do this work.
00:01:52Anyway, when I was coming to the office today,
00:01:55small children were going to school.
00:01:58Looking at me, I remembered my time.
00:02:01When the weather was good, we did not feel like going to school.
00:02:04But if you went to school, the interaction was also good.
00:02:07The second thing is that...
00:02:08But you still had to study.
00:02:10What time did you get to go to recess and eat something good or play?
00:02:15Once when we went to school, we were told that there was a sea storm.
00:02:19While being in North Karachi,
00:02:21I was anticipating that a flood might pass from here.
00:02:24At that time, our imagination was like this.
00:02:27Now, some schools have increased the timing of the school.
00:02:31If it was 7 o'clock, then 8 o'clock, 8 to 9 o'clock.
00:02:34But will the rain happen after seeing this timing?
00:02:37Instead of 8 o'clock, I did it at 9 o'clock.
00:02:39I don't want to be at 9 o'clock.
00:02:41Anyway.
00:02:43But one thing that we were trying to highlight yesterday...
00:02:47The weather app and the predictions that there is a strong spell...
00:02:53The system is moving towards Karachi.
00:02:55There is a deep depression.
00:02:57So, will the schools open or not?
00:02:59But the schools are still open.
00:03:02And if some private schools have taken the decision on their own, then it is a different matter.
00:03:06It did not rain so much in Karachi yesterday.
00:03:08But there is a continuous system of flooding in Karachi.
00:03:13So, I think this bothers people a lot.
00:03:17I don't think this bothers them.
00:03:19Yes, they think whether to go out or not.
00:03:22Whether to go for work or not.
00:03:24Whether to do this or not.
00:03:25So, other than your work or school, your plans get ruined.
00:03:30Yes, this is the thing.
00:03:31And secondly, the electricity is not working properly.
00:03:37According to that, the feeders also get tripped.
00:03:40So, these problems are there in their place.
00:03:42So, we reduced some of the problems in Karachi.
00:03:45And the intermittent spells that were being talked about...
00:03:47That 40 mm will be there now.
00:03:49And after that, the rest will be there.
00:03:52This much will be there.
00:03:53That much will be there.
00:03:54That could not be fixed.
00:03:55But the continuous system of flooding has continued.
00:03:57But today is 28th.
00:03:5829th, 30th, 31st.
00:04:00The month of August is 31st, right?
00:04:0230 days of September, April, June and November.
00:04:04We used to do this.
00:04:05January, February, March, April, May, June, July.
00:04:08The pointed areas are 31st or 31st.
00:04:12So, isn't this a very simple formula?
00:04:1430 days of September, April, June and November.
00:04:16The rest are 31st.
00:04:18I used to do it like this.
00:04:20Okay, let's tell you about the floods.
00:04:22You people are listening.
00:04:24But some people who are not listening are getting upset.
00:04:26Okay.
00:04:27So, the thing is that floods are happening all over the country.
00:04:30There is a strong spell of floods.
00:04:32In Karachi, we have already told you about the rain predictions.
00:04:36In many cities of the country, there has been devastation.
00:04:40After this rain...
00:04:42Okay, if we talk about Sindh, Hyderabad, Mirpur Khas, Sukkur, Tharparkar...
00:04:45It has rained heavily.
00:04:47Along with this, if we go to the Punjab side...
00:04:49It has rained heavily in Multan as well.
00:04:51Sahiwal, Hafizabad.
00:04:53It has rained heavily in many cities.
00:04:55Right now, at the end of August...
00:04:57In the state of Tulu Arz...
00:04:59It is raining very heavily.
00:05:01Okay, so you have already told us.
00:05:03But let's talk about Karachi again.
00:05:05And let's see what our representatives will tell us today.
00:05:08Yesterday, we were trying to talk about where there is water.
00:05:13What is the situation there?
00:05:15So, Meghba Basmiat has said that...
00:05:17It has rained 150-200 mm since yesterday.
00:05:20And today, it was said that...
00:05:22It has rained a lot from 27th to 28th.
00:05:24Afzal Parvez is joining us from Karachi.
00:05:26Let's talk to him.
00:05:28Afzal, tell us, where are you right now?
00:05:30And we are also seeing the aftermath of the rains.
00:05:34It is very difficult for the bikers.
00:05:37Especially for them to go.
00:05:39And people also go while splashing water.
00:05:41You also be careful, Afzal.
00:05:47Afzal, is our voice reaching you?
00:05:51Yes, Ashfaq, our voice is also reaching you.
00:05:54And the things that you are showing in my background...
00:05:59We also want to show them to the people.
00:06:02Be it the Prime Minister of Sindh...
00:06:04Be it the Prime Minister of Baldiyat...
00:06:06Be it the Mayor of Karachi...
00:06:07Be it the Deputy Mayor...
00:06:08We also want to show all these to them.
00:06:10Where are you right now?
00:06:11In Karachi...
00:06:12In Liaquatabad.
00:06:13Ashfaq, this is the busiest road in Karachi...
00:06:16Which comes from Nazimabad to Liaquatabad.
00:06:19This is the Link Road.
00:06:20Which is a shortcut.
00:06:22In large numbers of people...
00:06:24This road becomes their companion.
00:06:26Because they pass through here.
00:06:28Because those who have to go from Liaquatabad to Dasnagir...
00:06:31To Saragpur...
00:06:32They use this road.
00:06:35But if we look at it...
00:06:36This road was made a year ago.
00:06:38Now its condition is such that...
00:06:40You can see a well in the water.
00:06:42There are big potholes.
00:06:45Motorbikes, rickshaws, buses...
00:06:49They have to pass through here.
00:06:51We are more concerned about the rickshaw behind you.
00:06:55How will it pass through here?
00:06:57Rickshaw?
00:06:58And these big cars.
00:06:59Afzal, take care of yourself.
00:07:00These cars and bikes are passing so close to you.
00:07:03We are getting worried.
00:07:04Yes.
00:07:05The road was like this before.
00:07:08But the rain has made it worse.
00:07:11Cars are passing through like this.
00:07:14If we look at the road...
00:07:16This road was made a year ago.
00:07:18And the water on this road...
00:07:20Whether it is rain water or sewage water...
00:07:22No measures have been taken regarding its drainage.
00:07:26There is an underpass next to this road.
00:07:29Measures have been made on the underpass regarding the drainage.
00:07:32The roads on the side...
00:07:34No measures have been taken regarding the drainage.
00:07:38This road is broken.
00:07:41But on behalf of the Mayor of Karachi...
00:07:43It was announced a few days ago...
00:07:45That the roads will be audited by the third party.
00:07:52Audits have been done.
00:07:54And the contractors have been warned.
00:07:56But if we look at it...
00:07:57In Karachi, it rains once a year.
00:07:59During that year, the main roads of the city...
00:08:04They get washed away in rainwater or sewage water.
00:08:08If you look at the situation in Punjab...
00:08:10We have not seen roads washed away in rainwater.
00:08:14The roads of Karachi are washed away...
00:08:16As if a defective material has been used.
00:08:19If any action had been taken against any contractor...
00:08:25Then the contractors who make roads...
00:08:29They make roads with strength.
00:08:32At the moment, the water situation of the city...
00:08:34The drainage is being done.
00:08:37I was on the road last night.
00:08:40It was raining heavily between 3 and 4 pm.
00:08:45But we could see the drainage.
00:08:48Tell me something.
00:08:50So much destruction has been done here.
00:08:52This is your department.
00:08:54You look at it.
00:08:55You report it.
00:08:57You told the contractors...
00:08:59That this destruction has been warned.
00:09:02What is this warning?
00:09:04They should be fined.
00:09:05Their license should be cancelled.
00:09:07They should not participate in any tender or bidding again.
00:09:10This kind of work should be done.
00:09:12What is this warning?
00:09:13You have destroyed the road.
00:09:15What is this?
00:09:18Ashfaq, you are absolutely right.
00:09:20Fines should be paid.
00:09:21License should be approved.
00:09:23The major roads of Karachi...
00:09:25Maybe the mayor of Karachi will take action.
00:09:27But this road...
00:09:29It is the responsibility of the town chairman of TMC.
00:09:33The town chairman...
00:09:35He is very serious about the drainage.
00:09:42If the drainage would have been done...
00:09:46If the pumping machine would have been installed...
00:09:49If the drainage would have been done...
00:09:53This road would not have been destroyed.
00:09:55Because this road was built a year ago.
00:09:58The people of Karachi...
00:10:00The business people...
00:10:02They are very worried.
00:10:04The day it rained...
00:10:06The day it rained...
00:10:08The business people...
00:10:10The business people...
00:10:12We were told that...
00:10:14There was an emergency meeting.
00:10:16Everything is ready.
00:10:18Everything is ready.
00:10:20But where is it?
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00:17:56let's talk about the political scene.
00:17:58Noor Alam Khan
00:18:00is a member of JUIF.
00:18:02He is bringing a bill
00:18:04regarding judges.
00:18:06When he was asked
00:18:08whether there is a problem
00:18:10in increasing the retirement age
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00:18:16in changing the age of judges,
00:18:18he denies everything.
00:18:20He said that his bill
00:18:22is for the people
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00:18:26whether they belong to this country
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00:18:30This is the main point of his bill.
00:18:32On the other hand,
00:18:34there is another bill
00:18:36from Mr. Daniyal Chaudhary.
00:18:38He wants to increase
00:18:40the number of judges.
00:18:42Let's see
00:18:44when the bill is tabled.
00:18:46Noor Alam Khan
00:18:48was asked
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00:18:54He said that
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00:23:05But the first thing is that I have been very close to Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, I know him,
00:23:11and if not very close, then I have seen him, I have heard him, and I have seen Imran Khan's
00:23:20character, his attitude with his friends, his associates.
00:23:23So it is not possible that Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman and Imran Khan can walk together.
00:23:30And as far as Imran Khan is concerned, then it is not possible, I am ready to write that
00:23:37Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman cannot walk with PTI, whether he runs Tehreek or not, but he will
00:23:44run it from his platform, he cannot walk with them.
00:23:48Thank you so much, Mr. Javed Dadeeb, who was present with us.
00:23:53Thank you so much, Mr. Javed Dadeeb, who was present with us.
00:23:57And of course, the point is that where will Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman go, because he has
00:24:01given India, that now he will run Tehreek separately, because let's see what happens
00:24:07now.
00:24:08Now things are getting very different from a political point of view.
00:24:12But the government is also trying on its own.
00:24:14As we spoke to the People's Party, a lot can happen in this political scenario.
00:24:19And every day we see new stories.
00:24:20And if Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman can be reconciled…
00:24:23If his grievances are removed…
00:24:25Yes, yes.
00:24:26Everyone knows what grievances can happen.
00:24:28If they are removed, then I think he can be ready to walk with the government.
00:24:31Because…
00:24:32See, if he can talk to PTI, then why can't he talk to the government?
00:24:35But you see, Mr. Khawar Ghumman is joining us.
00:24:38Let's talk to him.
00:24:39Thank you so much for joining us, Mr. Khawar Ghumman.
00:24:42First of all, let's come to Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman's case.
00:24:46Then there was a time when we used to say…
00:24:48And we used to raise questions about where Maulana will go.
00:24:52Now he is moving away from PTI.
00:24:54The statements of Ali Ameen Ghandapur sahib…
00:24:57I think they also proved a little convincing in this.
00:25:00So, what is Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman's position in your view at the moment?
00:25:05Thank you very much for inviting me to the program.
00:25:07If you want to take a look at Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman's political position…
00:25:13So, Maulana sahib, I have been present in Islamabad since 1999-2000.
00:25:19You saw, after 2002, his case was settled with Jalal-e-Sharif.
00:25:24He got the government in KP.
00:25:27He was the Leader of the Opposition in the Centre.
00:25:30And along with being the Leader of the Opposition…
00:25:33All the legislation that was required at that time…
00:25:37To the government, to the kafli, to Jalal-e-Sharif sahib…
00:25:40So, he had his support in that.
00:25:43The government of 2008 came along with the People's Party.
00:25:46Their affairs went very well.
00:25:48The government of 2013, along with Nawal Sharif sahib…
00:25:51They went very well together.
00:25:53The elections of 2018 came.
00:25:55After that, for a while, the PTI government remained outside.
00:26:00When the government of PDM came, he was the leader.
00:26:03He has led PDM as the President.
00:26:07Now, when the elections of February 8th came…
00:26:10As the President of PDM, he thought that he would get a share.
00:26:17Because he has led PDM.
00:26:19Behind all this new setup, this hybrid plus that is being called…
00:26:25He has the most support.
00:26:28Therefore, he did not get that share, which is his right.
00:26:34Therefore, after that, he is upset.
00:26:37You saw, he meets Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif sahib.
00:26:40He meets Nawal Sharif sahib.
00:26:42A few days ago, he met Asif Ali Zardari sahib.
00:26:46On one hand, he feels that the opposition party…
00:26:50Pakistan Day Ki Insaaf…
00:26:52Obviously, you can see its status.
00:26:55It is popular.
00:26:57It has a presence in the National Assembly and Provincial Assemblies.
00:27:02They are trying to push this system.
00:27:05Sometimes, we see that he supports their statements as well.
00:27:12But Khawar sahib, please explain to me one thing.
00:27:14In the past, everyone knew what that share could be.
00:27:18What was that share?
00:27:20What is the reason this time that Maulana sahib is meeting everyone…
00:27:23But there is no agreement on that share.
00:27:25The share has increased.
00:27:27Demands are high.
00:27:28What is the matter?
00:27:30So, your first question was, what is the direction?
00:27:33I am sorry, I took a lot of time.
00:27:37They are directionless at the moment.
00:27:39Their arrow keeps moving in different directions all day.
00:27:45They are not able to make a direction as to what to do.
00:27:49Now, your question is, what is their share?
00:27:54They are stuck in the same dilemma.
00:27:57They are not able to decide where to stand in this system.
00:28:01They also think that in the days to come, a strong movement will start.
00:28:10So, if the opposition is successful, then they should be with the opposition.
00:28:16So, you are talking about the days to come.
00:28:19There is a lot of discussion about the timing of the bill coming from the court.
00:28:25It is a good coincidence that two bills are coming.
00:28:28One is Noora Alam Khan sahib and the other is Daniel Chaudhary sahib.
00:28:31Both are saying that there is nothing to do with the age of the judges.
00:28:35They are talking about the number of judges.
00:28:37It is a contempt of court.
00:28:38I am coming to this.
00:28:40What do you think?
00:28:41Do you think that their party, especially JEY, is on board?
00:28:44Because contempt of court is something that the court has.
00:28:47You can call it a weapon.
00:28:50Because of which they can enforce its implementation on the law.
00:28:54If this is also taken back, then the decisions that are being made today,
00:28:59the one who likes the decision, accepts it.
00:29:01The one who does not, goes against it.
00:29:03Then the legislation also starts.
00:29:05So, what will happen to these decisions?
00:29:07And what is the purpose of these bills overall?
00:29:09Should they be called reforms or not?
00:29:11Look, the nations in the world learn from history.
00:29:19I will take you to 1997.
00:29:22At that time, Nawaz Sharif sahib had a majority.
00:29:25He tried to implement the law.
00:29:30And you saw what happened to him later.
00:29:33He wanted to become the Ameer-ul-Momineen.
00:29:35No one can go against the decision of the Prime Minister.
00:29:38He will get the form of the law.
00:29:40The order of the Prime Minister.
00:29:42You saw what happened to Nawaz Sharif sahib later.
00:29:45General Musharraf, when you saw that he was a dictator,
00:29:50he also wanted to take the form of the law.
00:29:58You saw the result of that too.
00:30:00So, keep one thing in mind.
00:30:02No matter how many new laws come,
00:30:06if their acceptance is not in the public,
00:30:10if you do not do this by putting your hand on the public's ego,
00:30:14then this is not a long-term matter.
00:30:17But Khawar sahib, please explain this to me.
00:30:20Do you remember the increase in the number of judges?
00:30:24Ghilani sahib was in power and it was done through the finance bill.
00:30:28The number was 17.
00:30:30Now they want to increase it to 23.
00:30:33If no one would have reformed it at the age of retirement,
00:30:37then what benefit do they want to get from it?
00:30:40In Islamabad, there is a debate going on
00:30:45about the number of judges present.
00:30:48You saw that in the case of special sessions,
00:30:51the majority, 11 judges, came from one side.
00:30:55Right now, there are 17 judges in total.
00:30:58If 11 of them come from one side,
00:31:00then it is the turn of the other side.
00:31:02They are trying to equalize that turn.
00:31:05Tomorrow, when this review petition is submitted,
00:31:07which has already been submitted,
00:31:10then it can be balanced.
00:31:12Yes, this is one thing that is coming forward.
00:31:18I will come back to the same thing.
00:31:20Look, these things don't make a difference.
00:31:23If you have to do something with sincerity,
00:31:26the public is also understanding that
00:31:28this is for our betterment,
00:31:30for justice,
00:31:32this work has to be done for justice.
00:31:35That's why people will accept the number of judges.
00:31:38Otherwise, this history will be lost.
00:31:43It is better that politicians...
00:31:45Look, all the work that is done,
00:31:48and Mr. Shetty,
00:31:50it is done according to agreement.
00:31:52All political parties are on the board.
00:31:55This work is good for the public.
00:31:59But this does not happen.
00:32:01Every political party that has a leader,
00:32:03then decides on its own.
00:32:05The name of the new Chief Justice has not been announced yet.
00:32:09Last year, the name came out very soon.
00:32:12So, there is still a lot of time.
00:32:14Required time.
00:32:16The name should have come out by now.
00:32:19Your bill says that
00:32:22on 23rd October,
00:32:24the time of the current Chief Justice will be completed.
00:32:27And after that day,
00:32:30the three judges present,
00:32:33Justice Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib,
00:32:36will take over his post.
00:32:38It does not matter if he is notified or not.
00:32:43This is automatic for the Supreme Court.
00:32:46It is automatic, exactly.
00:32:48You have seen earlier that
00:32:50the case with Justice Bandyal
00:32:53was against the PDM government at that time.
00:32:56Just to undermine Justice Bandyal's authority,
00:33:00that you are on your way out,
00:33:02like Qazi Faiz has already notified.
00:33:05That was notified 85 days ago.
00:33:10So, again,
00:33:12the time of the government,
00:33:14every step of it,
00:33:16every action of it,
00:33:17is being told,
00:33:18the public is being told,
00:33:19what is their intention behind it.
00:33:21If the intention is not to spoil this system,
00:33:25or if you do not want to put any obstacles or problems
00:33:28in the existing seniority list of judges,
00:33:31then you should do it.
00:33:33Because the whole nation is behind it.
00:33:36We are talking about this issue in the morning.
00:33:40If it had been decided,
00:33:42then no one would have raised their voice.
00:33:45One thing is,
00:33:46of course,
00:33:47we have had a long conversation,
00:33:48but one thing is,
00:33:49when this has always been the principle in the Supreme Court,
00:33:52and especially in the case of Chief Justice,
00:33:54that the most senior judge becomes the Chief Justice,
00:33:57then why is there so much debate on it this time?
00:33:59There must be a reason behind it.
00:34:01No, no,
00:34:02there is a very clear reason behind it.
00:34:04Sir,
00:34:05why are you mincing the words so much?
00:34:09It is a simple thing.
00:34:10A week or 10 days ago,
00:34:12Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
00:34:13who is a senior judge,
00:34:15was present in a conference,
00:34:17and was addressing,
00:34:18if you have the sources available,
00:34:20he said that
00:34:22the decision of the Supreme Court
00:34:24is acted upon,
00:34:25and no opinion is given on it.
00:34:27And the decision of the Supreme Court,
00:34:29as you know,
00:34:30with reference to the specific sessions,
00:34:32is very clear.
00:34:33It is a majority decision.
00:34:34The government has not been able to act on it yet.
00:34:38In fact, the government is saying that
00:34:40it is unconstitutional.
00:34:41The judges have gone against the constitution of Pakistan
00:34:44and have given that decision.
00:34:46So,
00:34:47Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
00:34:49also gave that short order,
00:34:51if you remember.
00:34:52Yes, yes,
00:34:53it is like that.
00:34:54And Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
00:34:56is writing a detailed judgment right now.
00:34:58So,
00:34:59there is no doubt
00:35:00as to why
00:35:01this conspiracy is being spread,
00:35:03or a dispute is being created,
00:35:05is that
00:35:06Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
00:35:08as a Mumbaian,
00:35:09who is speaking in Islamabad,
00:35:11his intention is to tell them
00:35:13that,
00:35:14look,
00:35:15we have the tools available.
00:35:17Okay.
00:35:18As Rana Sahib was saying yesterday,
00:35:20Rana Sinalo Sahib,
00:35:21when you were listening last night,
00:35:22he was saying that
00:35:23the government has a lot of powers.
00:35:24The government can do anything at any time.
00:35:25Okay.
00:35:26So, this is the whole matter.
00:35:27We should pray that
00:35:28whatever happens,
00:35:29it is better for the country,
00:35:30it is better for the people,
00:35:31it is better for the democracy in Pakistan.
00:35:33Okay.
00:35:34Rest,
00:35:35these are things that come and go,
00:35:36these things keep happening.
00:35:37Thank you so much, Khawar.
00:35:38Obviously,
00:35:39we wanted to know
00:35:40what is so much in Islamabad,
00:35:41all these
00:35:42conspiracies,
00:35:43conspiracies are going on.
00:35:44I really liked what Khawar said.
00:35:45He said that
00:35:46whatever happens,
00:35:47it is for the betterment of the country.
00:35:48Not just the country,
00:35:49but for the benefit of the country and the people.
00:35:50In the country,
00:35:51the people come.
00:35:52Okay,
00:35:53because the country is from the people.
00:35:54Let's take a break here
00:35:55and come back after the break.
00:36:03Welcome back once again.
00:36:04And let's move towards
00:36:05the current affairs
00:36:06related to Amna Aman.
00:36:07And
00:36:08let me tell you about
00:36:09the intelligence-based
00:36:10operation.
00:36:11There were
00:36:12intelligence-based
00:36:13operations in
00:36:14the area of
00:36:15Khyber of
00:36:16the security forces
00:36:17on the basis of
00:36:18intelligence.
00:36:19In August,
00:36:20there were
00:36:2125 deaths,
00:36:2211 injuries,
00:36:24and this
00:36:25operation is
00:36:26Fitnat-ul-Khawarij.
00:36:27The so-called
00:36:28army of Islam
00:36:29and the
00:36:30Jamaat-ul-Ihrar
00:36:31have been
00:36:32against it.
00:36:33And
00:36:34Khawarij
00:36:35Sargana Guzar
00:36:36alias
00:36:37Saddam
00:36:38has also
00:36:39been killed in
00:36:40this.
00:36:41But
00:36:42along with
00:36:43our soldiers,
00:36:44obviously,
00:36:45who are
00:36:46fighting desperately
00:36:47for the
00:36:48country at
00:36:49the moment,
00:36:50four soldiers
00:36:51have also
00:36:52been killed
00:36:53in this
00:36:54operation.
00:36:55And
00:36:56the
00:36:57security forces
00:36:58of Pakistan
00:36:59are
00:37:00determined
00:37:01to
00:37:02prevent
00:37:03the
00:37:04progress
00:37:05of
00:37:06the
00:37:07security
00:37:08forces
00:37:09of
00:37:10Pakistan
00:37:11and
00:37:12to
00:37:13prevent
00:37:14the
00:37:15progress
00:37:16of
00:37:17the
00:37:18security
00:37:19forces
00:37:20of
00:37:21Pakistan
00:37:22as
00:37:23well
00:37:24as
00:37:25the
00:37:26security
00:37:27forces
00:37:28of
00:37:29India.
00:37:30And
00:37:31the
00:37:32security
00:37:33forces
00:37:34of
00:37:35India
00:37:36have
00:37:37also
00:37:38been
00:37:39determined
00:37:40to
00:37:41prevent
00:37:42the
00:37:43progress
00:37:44of
00:37:45the
00:37:46security
00:37:47forces
00:37:48of
00:37:49Pakistan
00:37:50I think it's a continuity of policy, the only difference is that there was a big incident
00:38:10in Balochistan yesterday and the civilians were targeted and the army and the F.C. were
00:38:19targeted and they don't have any narrative, whether it's a newspaper or a nationalist
00:38:26group. In total, if you look at Balochistan, it's not more than 2,000 and I think some
00:38:32of them are Indian-sponsored. In that, the determination has been displayed for the last
00:38:392-3 years that God willing, it will be worked out and the strategy of Azam-e-Istaqam, which
00:38:45has been made very controversial, I think the public will understand how much it is
00:38:50needed. There are very clear things in it that there is no room for terrorism. In case
00:38:55somebody surrenders, maybe there can be a discussion with him. The rest of Pakistan
00:39:00will also establish its own boundaries within Pakistan and God willing, if we get any
00:39:05evidence outside, whether it is neighboring countries, it will be answered. In this, you
00:39:10know, the Indian media tried to exploit it a lot and tried to paint such a picture that
00:39:16they were celebrating it a lot, which is unfortunate. God willing, it will be understood.
00:39:22And you can also guess from it, right? Basically, you can also guess from it, right?
00:39:26Yes.
00:39:27You can also guess from it, right? Who is the leader and who is happy with these things?
00:39:31Although they could have ignored the way the innocent civilians were killed here, the
00:39:36way they were targeted. The second thing is that we have been seeing for a long time that
00:39:41operations are going on and it is obvious that this thing is also highlighted that not
00:39:45only are these workers enemies of Pakistan, but their facilitators will also be targeted.
00:39:50The ISPR has said a lot about this. So how important is this action against facilitators
00:39:55in this situation because no one can be active without facilitators. And secondly, in the
00:40:01rural areas, they also have a network of insurgents. So what should happen there in your view?
00:40:07Yes, you have seen that a big environment has been created in the last three months, especially
00:40:12in Balochistan. I am sorry to say that Rangbaz Fatun, who has nothing to do with Balochistan,
00:40:18because 99% of Balochistan is with Pakistan. Development is taking place, CPEC-2 is being
00:40:23launched. There is a fake narrative and I always give a comparative analysis in it.
00:40:28Suppose there are a total of 2290 missing persons from different provinces. In that,
00:40:33if you do a comparative analysis, I think Pakistan is a very responsible state. In America,
00:40:38there are 600,000 missing persons every year, of which 100,000 are not traceable at all.
00:40:42You can go to the Department of Justice website and see. In India, there are probably 370,000
00:40:46and 350,000. So this happens in the disturbed areas. So I think, comparatively, Pakistan
00:40:52is a very, I would say, responsible state, if you look at the entire region.
00:40:56Now you have made a small thing, its narrative has been made, then tried to incite it.
00:41:02And very openly, if you look at their social media supporters, openly they challenge the
00:41:07investment of China in Pakistan. And now if you see, those who are resonating, whether
00:41:12they are from outside, whether it is Pakistani social media or Pakistani mainstream media
00:41:17or the Pakistani diaspora sitting outside, they are running very weird things. Basically,
00:41:23they are projecting that there is a failure. In this, it is necessary to give some margin
00:41:30because when the law enforcement takes action, then you have to see that from our side, God
00:41:34forbid, there is no collateral damage, there is no civilian activity. Whereas from their
00:41:38side, you have seen that they are engaging soft targets. Just like what happened in the
00:41:42bus.
00:41:43And the second thing is that the women you were talking about, the people, the women
00:41:47you were talking about, the people, the women you were talking about, the people, the women
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