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Host:
- Waseem Badami
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- Hamid Mir (Analyst)
- Fahad Hussain (Analyst)
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
- Professor Dr Javed Akram
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Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Hamid Mir (Analyst)
- Fahad Hussain (Analyst)
- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
- Professor Dr Javed Akram
CJP Qazi Faez Isa extension in service? - Hamid Mir's Shocking Revelations
What PMLN government is going to do? - Hamid Mir Told Everything
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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, Assalam-o-Alaikum, in the
00:15opening part of today's program, and in the majority part, we will have two famous senior
00:20journalists of Pakistan with us, so that we can get some basic answers from them.
00:24Janab-e-Hamid Mir Sahib and Janab-e-Fahad Hussain Sahib, will the government make an attempt
00:29from today till 26th October to make some changes in the current situation of the court in Pakistan?
00:37Will Maulana Fadlur Rehman Sahib be able to support the government to achieve this?
00:42Because it's all about numbers, and if numbers are needed, Maulana Sahib's support is needed,
00:46so will Maulana Sahib change his attitude, his gear, his side?
00:50Balochistan, Akhtar Mengal Sahib is resigning, PTI is also convincing him, the government is
00:54also convincing him not to resign, what is the interpretation of this?
00:57We will talk about all these issues and some other issues.
01:00So, Janab-e-Hamid Mir Sahib and Janab-e-Fahad Hussain Sahib are with us, of course,
01:03they don't need any introduction. Mir Sahib, senior most journalist, host of the program
01:09Capital Talk. Sir, let's start with you, thank you very much for giving us both the time.
01:14Mir Sahib, this question seems like a Sheikh Rasheed type question, obviously,
01:18that the next 4 weeks are important, 6 weeks are important, 6 weeks are common.
01:21But will it be right to say in today's situation, today when I am talking to you,
01:25it is 4th September, from today till 26th October, when the next Chief Justice will
01:32take over his post, in reality, the next 7-8 weeks are very important in many ways,
01:37and can some decisions be taken for the country's politics? Is it right to say this?
01:43Look, Wasim Badami Sahib, first of all, your question is very valid, but I am very sorry
01:51that you are asking me a question about the Chief Justice and it is related to his politics.
01:59You are right.
02:00So, this is actually a tragedy of ours, it is not from today, it is from a long time,
02:06that we see which army chief will come and after that, where will politics go?
02:15Which Chief Justice will come and after that, how will the political scene be?
02:21Yes.
02:22And now you are saying that till 26th October, what will happen?
02:27And your question is directly related to the Chief Justice.
02:30So, in your question, the answer is also there that the biggest problem of Pakistan
02:38is that our politics is revolving around the Supreme Court.
02:43In fact, it would be better to say that the Supreme Court is revolving politics.
02:48So, we will keep revolving and the government will try to pass such legislation
02:57that will increase the number of judges of the Supreme Court.
03:04And when the number of judges will increase, then the government will go for a review petition
03:10on the decision of a full bench regarding the reserve seats.
03:13When it will go for a review petition, then the government's plan is that if the number
03:21of judges will increase and it will be 19, 21, 23 or 24, then the PTI's reserve seats
03:33will not be available.
03:35And in this way, there will be peace and tranquility everywhere.
03:39And in Pakistan, the rivers of milk and honey will keep flowing.
03:42Do you think that the government will be able to succeed in this?
03:44Is there a greater chance of this or a greater chance of failure?
03:46Because the whole thing is a number game.
03:49Look, the thing is that every government thinks that by bringing an army chief
03:55and a chief justice of their own will or by appointing a judge of their own will,
04:00they think that they will be secure.
04:02I can give you many examples.
04:04But...
04:05I remember when Saqib Nisar became the chief justice and an army chief became someone else,
04:09then there was a tweet by Maryam Bibi that, I don't know, the stars started twinkling
04:13and the sky started shining and everything was good.
04:17And only after that, the whole party was ruined.
04:20So, I can give you many examples other than this.
04:23But, look, what happens is that if you are the majority in the parliament
04:28and you use that majority to manipulate justice,
04:33then you will be successful temporarily.
04:36But history tells us that ultimately, you fall flat on your face.
04:41And the pit you dug for someone else,
04:44ultimately, you fall into that pit yourself.
04:47And then you come out of it.
04:50I pray to God that we don't see such scenes again.
04:53Correct.
04:54So, Mr. Fahad, what is your take on this?
04:56Obviously, ultimately, the whole thing is a number game.
04:58I can't dare to say in front of both of you that this is my information
05:02because your information and analysis is a crore times more than mine.
05:06But it seems that a government will definitely make an effort
05:10to increase the number of judges and increase the age.
05:13For that, we need numbers.
05:15Is it possible to manage those numbers somehow or not, Mr. Fahad, in your opinion?
05:23Thank you, Mr. Wasim.
05:24Look, in my opinion, it depends on how hard the government is trying
05:35to bring about such reforms in the judiciary.
05:38And I'm saying that in quotation marks.
05:40In inverted commas, right?
05:42Yes, in inverted commas.
05:44But it's not just a government effort.
05:47Look, it's a combined effort.
05:49Because it's a combined requirement.
05:52It's a combined demand.
05:53It has become a combined need.
05:55Correct.
05:56And that's why when it has become a combined need,
05:59it has become so intense.
06:01So, in my opinion, whatever this team effort that we can see,
06:06whatever they can do or whatever is in their control,
06:10or in any way, whatever force can be used,
06:13in any way, whether you call it political force or parliamentary force
06:17or anything else, or you call it government force, it will be used.
06:22And in that, I personally wouldn't be surprised
06:27if they somehow managed to get those two-thirds numbers.
06:32I wouldn't be surprised.
06:34Yes.
06:35Otherwise, the other situation is that just like PTI did an effort,
06:39which was also a combined effort, of course.
06:41PTI was a B-team.
06:42That, sir, this man, Mr. Faiz, he doesn't want to be the next Chief Justice.
06:46He jumped into it, and then he failed,
06:48and then he backfired, and then later he had problems.
06:52So, this kind of action replay can also happen with Noorli, right?
06:56If he doesn't succeed.
06:58Look, in my opinion, Mr. Wasim, it depends.
07:02Actually, the first thing is to get the numbers.
07:05Yes.
07:06The second thing is what to do with those numbers.
07:08Yes.
07:09So, to get the numbers, because there is not a big gap,
07:13and from Maulana Sahib, it is being heard that very good meetings are taking place,
07:18so, like I was saying, if they get those numbers, then I won't be surprised.
07:23Okay.
07:24The bigger issue is what kind of reforms they bring with those numbers.
07:27Will they be in such a way that there will be a commotion about Adhliya,
07:32or will they keep some soft issues in front of them,
07:36so that the snake dies and the stick doesn't break.
07:39So, in my opinion, it will depend more on how radically they want to change the complexion,
07:47which is superior to judiciary.
08:18So, they haven't given you an extension of 5%.
08:20They have brought reforms.
08:22If they get the numbers, will there be any such attempt?
08:26Look, again, you have asked a very...
08:30Innocent.
08:32You have asked an innocent question, and it is very innocent.
08:38Because Azam Nazeer Tariq Sahib, who is our Minister of Law,
08:43he has said many times that Justice Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib is the senior judge after Qazi Faiza,
08:54and he will be the Chief Justice in the future.
08:56Right.
08:57Now, why does he say this again and again?
08:59When he says that Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib will be the Chief Justice in the future,
09:02and we asked Qazi Faiza Sahib, he said that he doesn't want an extension.
09:06Yes.
09:07So, he uses the word extension because Qazi Faiza Sahib said that he doesn't want an extension.
09:16But, as there is a persistent story in your question,
09:20that if the age of the judges, the retirement age is increased,
09:25then there will be no extension.
09:27It will automatically increase over time.
09:29So, Qazi Faiza Sahib will say that,
09:31Sir, I used to say, I told Azam Nazeer Tariq that I don't want an extension.
09:35Yes.
09:36And I didn't take it.
09:37Yes.
09:38But, because there is a new legislation, it has increased over time.
09:41So, this can also happen.
09:43But, in this, again, when it comes to reforms,
09:48if you want to do reforms, do you only want reforms in the Supreme Court?
09:53Don't you want reforms in the High Courts?
09:55Do you only want an increase in the number of judges in the Supreme Court?
09:59In Islamabad High Court, Lahore High Court, Sindh High Court, Balochistan High Court,
10:03you don't want an increase in the number of judges there.
10:05You want it there as well.
10:07You want an increase in the number of judges there as well.
10:09And, when it comes to judicial reforms,
10:12in that regard, a lot of recommendations are already in the files of the government.
10:19So, if you really want to do reforms,
10:21then for that, there is a method of reforms,
10:26that you should have a debate on it,
10:28there should be a debate in the Parliament.
10:30There shouldn't be any haste in that.
10:32But, here, you feel that you are in a hurry.
10:36And, there is no harm in saying this,
10:40that the issue is only about the Supreme Court's full bench decision,
10:44about the reserve seats,
10:46the issue is about its review petition.
10:48And, in the review of that petition,
10:51before going there, the government wants to increase the number of judges.
10:55So, whatever you do, complete the numbers game,
10:58in the review of that petition,
11:00reverse that decision,
11:02and take the success flags.
11:04But, the common man of Pakistan is understanding this,
11:09that the electricity bills that are coming to our house,
11:11are not decreasing, they are increasing.
11:13The government says that the inflation is decreasing,
11:17but we are not getting any relief in the market,
11:20the inflation is increasing.
11:22But, on the other hand, the number of judges is also increasing.
11:25And, the government is winning over the court,
11:29but it is failing to win over the inflation.
11:31So, you win over the court, do it,
11:34take the success flags.
11:36But, the problem of the common man is not the problem of the government.
11:40It seems that the political interest of some individuals,
11:43their personal survival,
11:45because of that, the parliament of Pakistan
11:48is being forced towards such legislation,
11:51whose aim is to bring down the judiciary.
11:54And, Mir sahib, I am a weak man,
11:57I am putting the gun on your shoulder,
11:59taking the support of your words.
12:01The way to win over the court,
12:03can only be through Maulana Fadlur Rahman.
12:05Because, if his numbers come,
12:07then we will have to put less pressure.
12:08We will have to put pressure, but less.
12:10So, how much chance do you think,
12:12after these two meetings,
12:14there are only two general meetings at least,
12:16that Maulana sahib will also be kind to the government?
12:21Look, the general meetings,
12:24there are no fixed matters in them.
12:28The meetings through the backdoor channel,
12:32in reality, the matters are fixed in those meetings.
12:35And, through the backdoor channel,
12:37Maulana is not only meeting the government's personalities,
12:41but, he is also meeting some of the opposition's personalities.
12:44Right now, Maulana Fadlur Rahman sahib is trapped.
12:48Look, on one hand,
12:50he has personal relations with Asif Zardari sahib.
12:53Yes.
12:54And, Shabaz Sharif sahib,
12:56going to him again and again,
12:58that is an issue.
13:00On the other hand, he says that,
13:02this assembly is a jelly,
13:04and a new election should take place.
13:06This system is a jelly.
13:08Controlled democracy cannot work in Pakistan.
13:10But, he doesn't even trust Tehreek-e-Insaf.
13:14This is my analysis.
13:15Yes, correct.
13:16Because, you are holding a gun on my shoulder.
13:19So, obviously,
13:21I am also loading the bullet in the gun,
13:24which will go straight and hit someone.
13:27Right.
13:28And, may Allah save you.
13:30You still have a bullet in your body.
13:32So, you don't stand a chance.
13:34May Allah give you a long life.
13:35So, that trust,
13:37I am talking about the bullet of words.
13:39Yes, I understood.
13:40Maulana Fadlur Rahman sahib doesn't have trust.
13:42A few days ago,
13:43when Tehreek-e-Insaf had a discussion with him,
13:46Maulana Fadlur Rahman sahib complained.
13:49He said,
13:50you come to me every day.
13:52You come to me,
13:53have tea with me,
13:54and eat with me.
13:55But,
13:56on one hand,
13:57you do business with me,
13:59and on the other hand,
14:00you do negotiations with the establishment
14:02through the VAT channel.
14:03I don't find this appropriate.
14:05So,
14:06Tehreek-e-Insaf's friend was saying that,
14:08you should be included in our Tehreek-e-Tahfuz-e-Ain.
14:11He said,
14:12I can be included,
14:14but first,
14:15you fulfill your interest.
14:17Negotiate with the establishment.
14:19So,
14:20our Tehreek-e-Insaf's friend didn't agree.
14:22He said,
14:23Maulana sahib,
14:24someone has put a misunderstanding in your heart.
14:26We are not negotiating with the establishment.
14:28After that,
14:29Alimin Gandapur sahib confirmed that,
14:31Azam Swati and Barrister Gauhar sahib,
14:34we had sent them at 7.30 in the morning.
14:37And,
14:38on the request of the establishment,
14:40we went to Imran Khan sahib.
14:42And,
14:43the Jalsa was cancelled.
14:44After this episode,
14:45when Tehreek-e-Insaf's delegation went to Maulana sahib,
14:48our friends' eyes were down.
14:51And,
14:52Maulana sahib,
14:53he was laughing.
14:54He was laughing.
14:55He was laughing.
14:56He was laughing.
14:57Okay.
14:58So,
14:59you started the conversation by saying that,
15:01Maulana sahib is getting trapped.
15:02And,
15:03at the end,
15:04he was laughing.
15:05The journey from getting trapped to laughing.
15:07And,
15:08Mir sahib,
15:10See,
15:11between laughing and getting trapped,
15:14there is a difference of a few points.
15:16So,
15:17Maulana sahib is being very careful.
15:19That,
15:20while laughing,
15:21I don't get trapped.
15:23And,
15:24the matter of points is very important.
15:26We kept writing prayers.
15:28He kept getting betrayed.
15:29One point made him a criminal.
15:31So,
15:32points are very common.
15:33So,
15:34Fahad bhai,
15:35if I may,
15:36we are very close to Kamran Murtaza sahib,
15:37Maulana sahib.
15:38And,
15:39by the way,
15:40Mir sahib and Fahad sahib,
15:41yesterday,
15:42when we told Secretary Talaat,
15:43Rahu Fasan sahib,
15:44that,
15:45sir,
15:46there is no contact between you and the establishment.
15:47So,
15:48he said,
15:49no,
15:50don't call it a contact.
15:51There has been a breakthrough.
15:52And,
15:53I said,
15:54how?
15:55He said,
15:56see,
15:57for the Jalsa on 22nd August,
15:58via Gandapur,
15:59he made contact.
16:00We consider it a positive progress.
16:01And,
16:02I will interpret it as a breakthrough.
16:03Now,
16:04we want to take it further
16:05and bring it to the dialogue
16:06through a breakthrough.
16:08So,
16:09Kamran Murtaza sahib,
16:10of course,
16:11senior Ahlul Bayt,
16:12Maulana Fazlur Rehman sahib's party.
16:13Huzoor,
16:14Assalam-o-Alaikum.
16:15Assalam-o-Alaikum.
16:16Sir,
16:17thank you for your time.
16:18Mir sahib,
16:19Fahad Hussain sahib,
16:20please come in.
16:21You know,
16:22on this matter,
16:23Fazlur Rehman sahib,
16:24met Zardari sahib.
16:25The next day,
16:26you said in our program,
16:27that you yourself
16:28spoke to Maulana sahib
16:29precisely about this meeting.
16:30And,
16:31you said that,
16:32based on what Maulana has told you,
16:33you can say with confidence
16:34that it was not a political meeting.
16:35It was a social meeting
16:36in which,
16:37okay,
16:38politics is also being discussed,
16:39but,
16:40there was no discussion
16:41and no favours were asked.
16:42Nothing happened.
16:43Was this the case
16:44of the meeting
16:45with Shahbaz Sharif sahib
16:46or was it something else?
16:47Sir,
16:48it was a political meeting.
16:49At that time,
16:50I said that,
16:51if someone asks you
16:52for a political meeting
16:53in this situation,
16:54in which you are
16:55or we are,
16:56and if we are,
16:57then you are
16:58in our place.
16:59Then,
17:00how much can you
17:01cooperate with him?
17:02It was not like that.
17:03Right.
17:04So,
17:05if someone asks you
17:06for a political meeting,
17:07then you,
17:08you are saying that
17:09the answer was given to you
17:10that if you were in our place,
17:11then how much
17:12political cooperation
17:13would you have done?
17:14Yes.
17:15Should this be considered
17:16as a yes or no?
17:17Or,
17:18should it be considered
17:19as a no?
17:20For now,
17:21it should be considered
17:22as a no.
17:23For now,
17:24it should be considered
17:25as a no?
17:26Yes.
17:27So,
17:28if in response to this,
17:29he says that,
17:30sir,
17:31you can do a political meeting
17:32in such a way
17:33that,
17:34you want to bring
17:35a consensus
17:36that there is no
17:37one's right
17:38and no one's wrong.
17:39If you also put your
17:40flag in our place,
17:41then it will be good.
17:42So,
17:43will you be able
17:44to do political cooperation
17:45with the government
17:46or will it be difficult?
17:47Before that,
17:48we will have to remind them
17:49how many places
17:50in Lahore High Court
17:51have been vacant
17:52and since when.
17:53That is,
17:54in almost 24 years,
17:55Lahore High Court
17:56has been vacant.
17:57I think,
17:58in about 12 years,
17:59it will be vacant.
18:00In Bhutan High Court,
18:01it will be vacant.
18:02Similarly,
18:03in Indian High Court,
18:04it will be vacant.
18:05So,
18:06will you be able
18:07to do political cooperation
18:08with the government
18:09or will it be difficult?
18:10Mr. Fahad,
18:11tell us,
18:12what is your
18:13drive to meet
18:14Mr. Kamran?
18:15Mr. Kamran is also saying
18:16that he has asked
18:17for a political meeting
18:18with Mr. Shahbaz
18:19and as of now,
18:20he does not want
18:21to meet us.
18:22Look,
18:23I think,
18:24Mr. Wasim,
18:25this matter
18:26of reforms
18:27and numbers,
18:28it is clear
18:29that it is not
18:30just a matter
18:31of reforms.
18:32And,
18:33in the larger
18:34political context,
18:35it is being
18:36carried out
18:37with a gun
18:38on the shoulders
18:39of reforms.
18:40Whatever term
18:41you were using,
18:42I will take it
18:43forward.
18:44The issue is
18:45that there are
18:46expectations
18:47from the court
18:48of the government
18:49or the combined team
18:50and to fulfill
18:51those expectations,
18:52they think
18:53that there should
18:54not be any
18:55change in the court.
18:56Now,
18:57this is the
18:58basic goal.
18:59Now,
19:00around this,
19:01if you
19:02put a
19:03reform
19:04in a
19:05rapper and
19:06tie a
19:07ribbon
19:08on it,
19:09it is a
19:10good thing
19:11to keep
19:12a public
19:13position
19:14that we
19:15need a
19:16big reform.
19:17But,
19:18actually,
19:19there are
19:20political
19:21objectives.
19:22Now,
19:23if he is
19:24talking to
19:25Maulana,
19:26Maulana
19:27knows
19:28that the
19:29government
19:30is
19:31trying to
19:32reform
19:33the
19:34court
19:35and
19:36give
19:37them
19:38a big
19:39relief,
19:40then
19:41politically
19:42they will
19:43consider
19:44this very
19:45seriously.
19:46Now,
19:47as far
19:48as the
19:49offer goes,
19:50I think
19:51it is
19:52important
19:53that
19:54Asif Ali
19:55Zardari
19:56and
19:57Prime
19:58Minister
20:29and if you combine those two factors, then I don't think Mr. Maulana can reject the government's proposal so soon.
20:36Okay, so Mr. Mir, moving forward from this,
20:40as a collective political scene, do you feel that there are some facilities for PTI,
20:48or these are just difficulties, popularity and all that is in its place,
20:52but that tension, pressure is going to increase in the coming months on PTI?
21:01Look, Mr. Badami, the politics of Pakistan is not just that on one side there is Muslim League Noon and on the other side there is PTI.
21:10There is a lot more in the politics of Pakistan.
21:13And you should keep an eye on the developments that are taking place.
21:17The resignation of Akhtar Mangal from the National Assembly,
21:21this is a development that you cannot ignore.
21:25Today, on one hand, the delegation of Muslim League Noon has gone to him and asked him to withdraw his resignation.
21:32On the other hand, the delegation of PTI has gone to him and asked him to withdraw his resignation.
21:35Now just think, Muslim League Noon is a ruling party and PTI is an opposition party, both are fighting each other.
21:43Both are going to Akhtar Mangal and asking him to withdraw his resignation.
21:46What is the reason for this?
21:47The reason is that in the pipeline, there are some other politicians of Balochistan, very big ones,
21:52about whom I know that they are also thinking on these lines that they are going to announce that electoral politics,
21:58that is, parliamentary politics is a good thing.
22:05Akhtar Mangal has perhaps taken the first step because he must have come to know that there are some other politicians of my province who are also thinking.
22:13So he came quickly and he did not even get a chance to give a speech yesterday.
22:18The meeting was postponed, it was the sign of the quorum, and then he went out and held a press conference.
22:24Maulana Fazlur Rehman is also talking on these lines these days.
22:29A few days ago, I mean 3-4 days ago, I got a chance to sit with him in great detail.
22:39I was also smelling the same thing that Maulana has now changed from parliamentary politics.
22:49And he was telling us such facts not only about KPK but also about Balochistan.
22:56He was saying that there is no use of politics in this country because Shabaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari,
23:02they have nothing, they have nothing in control.
23:06So if they come to me and tell me to do this, do that, then I tell them that brother,
23:13if you are coming to me for someone else's benefit, then what do I have to do with this benefit?
23:20Look, we should try, Shabaz Sharif, Asif Zardari, you and me,
23:28that politicians like Maulana Fazlur Rehman, politicians like Akhtar Mangal,
23:32and there are 3-4 more who are thinking on these lines,
23:36that at least they should have confidence in the parliamentary politics of Pakistan.
23:42Maulana Sahib has not spoken about this publicly yet, but I am doing this in your program
23:48so that people get to know as a warning that it is possible that Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib,
23:55who has fought against those who like militancy in some time,
24:00and he said that the revolution in Pakistan cannot come through guns,
24:04it can come through legal and political struggle.
24:07So now they have been forced.
24:09Now what are you telling them? Come and join our government.
24:13You are not telling them to come together and establish the rule of law in Pakistan.
24:19You are not saying this.
24:20You are saying, come and become our shareholder.
24:23Take ministries from us.
24:25So this is the difference.
24:27Whoever goes to them, they say the same thing to them.
24:30You are right.
24:31God forbid, if these issues are not addressed,
24:33then all this debate that we are saying will remain secondary and this debate will become real.
24:38Kamran Sahib, if the government says that we will bring a package of reforms,
24:43including high courts, then is it possible for you to extend your support to them?
24:49As Mir Sahib was saying, it is not a matter of taking ministries.
24:55If you want to bring a package of reforms, then first you have to scrap the election.
25:02I personally know that the seats of the three morning assemblies of Quetta were forcibly snatched from us.
25:07I am not talking about the rest of Balochistan.
25:09One national assembly in my city was forcibly snatched.
25:13We had left one for Khan Sahib.
25:15And one was forcibly snatched from us.
25:18There were two sessions in Quetta National Assembly.
25:21If we have to do this, then look, Akhtar has resigned.
25:28This has been discussed in our circles as well.
25:32Let's leave this policy.
25:34And the day we leave it, it is possible that you will not have much time left.
25:58What has been decided?
26:00He has said that you should think about it.
26:06This will be his private member bill.
26:10He said that he brought it in 2018 and I think it is appropriate.
26:15Then it was broken.
26:19He said that you should think about it yourself.
26:23So the JIO may not support this bill at the party level in the parliament.
26:28I don't think it is appropriate for me to upset my colleague.
26:33He said that you should think about it.
26:58What do you think?
26:59Will there be a political upheaval in the next two to three months?
27:02Will the level of tension increase?
27:04Or will there be a settlement?
27:06This week, four days later, the PTI has added the JALSA element.
27:12Look, I think if you mean the upheaval,
27:16that the roads will start heating up,
27:18then I don't think that will happen.
27:20But it is possible that the PTI will hold a JALSA.
27:23But will the political map of Pakistan change with that JALSA?
27:27I don't think so.
27:28I think the main focus for the next few weeks will be on the judiciary,
27:33the parliament, the numbers game, and reforms.
27:37Because this is the first target on 25th October.
27:41After that, new issues will come forward.
27:44I think where we are seeing a problem,
27:47which can be a very worrying thing,
27:50that is the situation in Balochistan.
27:53Akhsar Nengar's resignation is clearly reflecting
27:58that the political focus has already gone towards those people,
28:06or the political initiative has already gone towards those people
28:09who are not a part of parliamentary politics.
28:11Now, if those people who really fight elections,
28:14and represent their parties in the parliament,
28:19if they are also changing, then that problem can arise.
28:22But the bigger question, of course, then would be,
28:25that the situation in Balochistan,
28:27how much impact does it have on the people in power in Islamabad?
28:32In a larger scheme, it is there.
28:35But the very focused objectives that we are seeing for the next few weeks,
28:41I think they are a little separate.
28:44Balochistan has a larger strategic issue,
28:47which if it is not solved, or if it is not improved,
28:50then ultimately there will be a big problem.
28:53So, basically, my concluding remark would be,
28:56that I think in the next 5-6 weeks,
28:58I see a laser-sharp focus,
29:01on the date of 25th October,
29:04to successfully achieve that goal,
29:06which the government is currently focusing on.
29:09And the last question, Mir sahib,
29:11regarding the negotiations,
29:13where did this excitement come from?
29:15I mean, does Nawaz Sharif sahib really want,
29:18that all political parties,
29:20including PTI,
29:22to have unconditional, non-conditional negotiations,
29:25so that the impression of our party is not lost,
29:28that we are a non-democratic party.
29:31I mean, can the Noon League really afford such a thing?
29:34Or has it just come out of nowhere?
29:38No, it is not like that.
29:39It has come out of nowhere.
29:40The Noon League,
29:42nowadays, the decisions it makes,
29:45it does not make the decisions itself,
29:47the decision is made in advance,
29:49it is just announced.
29:52So, those who are negotiating,
29:54they themselves are negotiating.
29:57This has been confirmed by Ali Mir Gandapur.
30:00So, when they are negotiating,
30:02then why does the Noon League need to negotiate?
30:04If that negotiation is successful or not,
30:06in both cases,
30:08they will tell the Noon League,
30:10that this is the result, you announce it.
30:12So, the Noon League will announce it.
30:14The Noon League itself does not want to negotiate,
30:16nor does it have the right to negotiate.
30:18And if this negotiation is successful,
30:20then is there a risk for the Noon League?
30:24No, the Noon League will only be told
30:26that our negotiations were successful.
30:27Thank you very much.
30:30Yes, Mr. Paat,
30:31your final comment is in this.
30:34Look, in my opinion,
30:36at the moment, I don't think
30:38there is going to be a big breakthrough
30:40between the establishment and the PTI.
30:42Absolutely.
30:43The back channels are always open.
30:45But the basis on which such negotiations
30:48are successful,
30:50is not present there yet.
30:52If the establishment wants to negotiate,
30:54then they will do it with position and strength.
30:56And that is why, in my opinion,
30:58the pressure on the PTI will continue to increase.
31:00The negotiating power of the PTI
31:02will be tried to reduce.
31:04When it happens,
31:06the negotiations will be a little more productive.
31:08I don't see this happening in the immediate short term.
31:11Thank you very much, sir.
31:13Thank you very much, Mr. Fahad Hussain
31:15and Mr. Hamid Mir.
31:17We will be back after the break with another topic.
31:22Prime Minister, welcome.
31:23Politics will continue,
31:25but at the same time,
31:26it is very important to talk about the other issues
31:28that are developing.
31:29If there is life, then there is the world.
31:31A healthy society is very important.
31:33You are all listening.
31:35You are landing at the airport.
31:37You are checking that this is not it, that is not it.
31:39Let's talk about what it is,
31:41why it happens,
31:43how it can spread.
31:45Some basic information,
31:47and then we will talk to the relevant doctors
31:49to educate us about it.
31:51First of all, what is it?
31:53It is a virus that basically
31:55transmits from animals to humans.
31:57And the family that the virus belongs to,
31:59there are 83 different types of viruses in it.
32:01And in the virus related to this family,
32:03there is a smallpox,
32:05which is also included.
32:07And because it is close to the symptoms,
32:09apparently,
32:11it is also called the cousin of monkeypox.
32:15The World Health Organization
32:17has changed its name to mpox
32:19two years ago.
32:21But in Urdu,
32:23it is still called monkeypox.
32:25Monkey, monkey,
32:27what does it have to do with it?
32:29Does it have anything to do with it?
32:31If you think that it is monkey's mischief,
32:33then it is not exactly like that.
32:35It has nothing to do with it in these terms.
32:37But in these terms,
32:39first of all,
32:41many years ago,
32:43in 1958,
32:45it was found in a laboratory in Denmark,
32:47among two monkeys.
32:49Because of this,
32:51its name also became monkeypox.
32:53Its mother is not a monkey,
32:55nor does it usually transmit to humans.
32:57So how does it transmit?
32:59Or which animal is responsible
33:01for its transmission?
33:03It is said that science has not yet
33:05been able to find out
33:07which animal is responsible for it.
33:09But African rats are considered
33:11to be responsible for its spread.
33:13In humans,
33:15in 1970,
33:17the first case of monkeypox
33:19was found in humans
33:21when this virus was found
33:23in a nine-month-old baby
33:25In 2022,
33:27it was confirmed for the first time
33:29that this virus was found
33:31in more than 70 countries
33:33around the world.
33:35Then it was found for the first time
33:37that this is a wide-scale thing.
33:39Due to the rapid increase in cases,
33:41it obviously attracted attention
33:43at the global level.
33:45Then the World Health Organization announced
33:47that monkeypox is not only a threat
33:49to public health in Africa,
33:51but also internationally.
33:53In countries like Britain,
33:55Singapore, America, Australia,
33:57Europe, Canada,
33:59monkeypox spread through people
34:01who had recently visited African countries.
34:03So it seemed to be spreading from there,
34:05but then it started spreading
34:07all over the world.
34:09The big reason for this,
34:11as we told you,
34:13is that it has a connection
34:15with Chichag.
34:17And due to global efforts
34:19against Chichag,
34:21Chichag was purified.
34:23But now that it has a connection
34:25with Chichag,
34:27it is even more worrying
34:29for the World Health Organization
34:31as to why it is emerging again.
34:33To know some basic things
34:35about monkeypox,
34:37Dr. Javed Akram,
34:39a specialist in infectious diseases,
34:41and a former health minister
34:43of Punjab,
34:45has joined us.
34:47Javed, thank you very much.
34:49Sir, thank you for your time.
34:51First of all,
34:53we told you in our own way,
34:55but if you could tell us
34:57in simple words,
34:59what monkeypox is,
35:01and how dangerous it is
35:03for a common man
35:05to die from it.
35:07How fatal is this disease?
35:09Please tell us this as well.
35:11Thank you very much.
35:13I don't think this is something
35:15to worry about,
35:17it is not a new disease,
35:19it has stopped it many times
35:21in the last 15 years.
35:23This time, it started from Congo,
35:25and from Congo to African countries,
35:27and in Pakistan,
35:29it mostly came from Saudi Arabia,
35:31and most of the cases reported
35:33in KPK,
35:35only one was reported in Sindh,
35:37and it was the travel history
35:39of everyone from such areas
35:41where it is endemic.
35:43And there has not been any local case
35:45of this disease.
35:47And this is a DNA virus,
35:49like Covid RNA virus,
35:51and it basically
35:53has an incubation period,
35:55which we call
35:57when the virus enters your body,
35:59and mostly it does not enter
36:01by breathing, but by touch.
36:03When your body touches
36:05a person,
36:07who has
36:09tubes or pustules on his body,
36:11then for at least
36:13one week to three weeks,
36:15there can be no symptoms,
36:17but it can spread,
36:19which we call an incubation period.
36:21After that, the symptoms
36:23are those of Covid
36:25or any viral infection,
36:27cold, cold, cough, sore throat,
36:29and after a few days,
36:31after three or four days,
36:33the seeds start to come out,
36:35which are very painful,
36:37and it is also excreted.
36:39And after that,
36:41there are old people,
36:43or those who have been
36:45transplanted on steroids,
36:47there are very few people
36:49who get seriously
36:51pneumonia,
36:53and then they need
36:55hospitalization.
36:57This time, the concern was
36:59that when WHO came to
37:01Congo,
37:03and 24,000 people
37:05were affected there,
37:07it was called a global
37:09warning.
37:11And the reason for that was
37:13that this time, the serotype,
37:15the genetic type,
37:17is very virulent,
37:191A, but in Pakistan,
37:21Alhamdulillah, all the cases
37:23were of the old serotype,
37:252B, which
37:27is almost a very
37:29negligible 1 in
37:3150,000 chance of someone
37:33getting pneumonia.
37:35Therefore, in Pakistan, I think
37:37there is a need for caution,
37:39but there is no need
37:41for fear.
37:43Those people who are
37:45suffering from other diseases,
37:47like diabetes, blood pressure,
37:49heart disease, cancer,
37:51they should treat their
37:53primary disease properly,
37:55with their knowledge,
37:57keep their defense forces
37:59right, especially if
38:01you have people from
38:03Saudi Arabia,
38:05and they have symptoms,
38:07then isolate them,
38:09until their tests are done.
38:11We do their PCR tests in a few hours,
38:13we have done about 90
38:15PCRs, and Alhamdulillah,
38:17in Punjab, all of them are still
38:19negative, we have trained
38:21the doctors, the immigration
38:23staff, the Border Health
38:25Security,
38:27we have trained
38:29all of them,
38:31how they will deal with them,
38:33And Doctor, is the test
38:35the same as the COVID test,
38:37is it the same type of test?
38:39Yes, the COVID test,
38:41we used to do the PCR test,
38:43that was RNA virus, this is DNA virus,
38:45the pustules on the body,
38:47the seeds that have come out,
38:49we take swab of that,
38:51we don't take it from the nose or throat,
38:53we take swab of that, and in 4 hours,
38:55the test comes positive or negative.
38:57So, it is important for this,
38:59that we secure our borders,
39:01the foot crossings,
39:03because this is an imported disease,
39:05purely, purely, and if
39:07we stop the quarantine there,
39:09but unfortunately, in Pakistan,
39:11the airports are made of thousands of rupees,
39:13but there is no quarantine,
39:15we make a makeshift for every disease,
39:17and unfortunately,
39:19I have made a lot of noise in this,
39:21that there should be a permanent
39:23quarantine, because this is not
39:25the last gerasim, which is troubling
39:27Pakistan, nor is it the first,
39:29and there is a prediction,
39:31that if 2 lakh crore people
39:33have to die in a few weeks,
39:35then they will die from a microbe,
39:37not from an atomic bomb,
39:39or a nuclear arsenal.
39:41So, that is why, health system strengthening,
39:43and especially the imported diseases,
39:45from Africa, China, exotic areas,
39:47they should have
39:49quarantine facilities,
39:51they should be permanent,
39:53we have made a makeshift,
39:55but I think this is not enough,
39:57you made Islamabad airport recently,
39:59there you forgot,
40:01that we had to make a quarantine.
40:03Ok, and this,
40:05in common words, we call it
40:07the disease of sneezing,
40:09has it been eradicated at the international level?
40:11This is the first question,
40:13and the second is,
40:15does monkeypox have anything to do with this?
40:17See, no,
40:19this smallpox, chickenpox,
40:21and this is the same family,
40:23varicella family,
40:25there is a slight difference.
40:27Smallpox was eradicated in 1970,
40:29so, those who had
40:31smallpox vaccines,
40:33which were born before 1970,
40:35everyone got it,
40:37and this vaccine,
40:39the Chinese vaccine,
40:41they don't even need it,
40:43because they are immune.
40:45The rest, who were born after 1970,
40:47if they are frontliners,
40:49they don't need mass vaccination.
40:51If you are working at the airport,
40:53you are a porter,
40:55you are a passenger,
40:57from such an endemic area,
40:59even if they come to us through Dubai,
41:01but they have come from Congo,
41:03or Saudi Arabia,
41:05and for them,
41:07precaution is necessary.
41:09So, we are recommending
41:11those who are getting the vaccine first,
41:13our frontliners,
41:15who expose themselves to different diseases,
41:17they should be vaccinated,
41:19especially if they are born after 1970,
41:21so, we want to secure them first,
41:23and,
41:25medicines are also available,
41:27unfortunately,
41:29they are not registered in Pakistan.
41:31Even today, in the NCOC meeting,
41:33I said that they should be provided here immediately.
41:35The current situation,
41:37our policy of Punjab,
41:39because I am chairing the committee,
41:41it says, prepare for the worst
41:43and hope for the best.
41:45Right now, we just want
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43:15It's frankly very embarrassing as well,
43:17that when this news comes,
43:19that it was either in Afghanistan or Pakistan,
43:21it's very embarrassing as well.
43:23Are we even realizing it,
43:25polio as a problem or not?
43:27Look, I think it's a very,
43:29very major threat,
43:31not only for our children,
43:33that they will become disabled
43:35or lose their lives,
43:37but also as a country,
43:39as an economy,
43:41there is still a lot of
43:43challenges. Unfortunately,
43:45Pakistan is a primitive society,
43:47where perceptions
43:49unfortunately are stronger than
43:51reality. We tried a lot
43:53to dispel this thing.
43:55We also say that
43:57it's absolutely safe, the vaccine.
43:59There is no male weakness,
44:01infertility,
44:03there is no danger.
44:05Billions of dollars, billions of doses
44:07have been administered, the whole world has eradicated it.
44:09But unfortunately,
44:11we kill polio workers here.
44:13What can be more
44:15brutal than this?
44:17This is the height of illiteracy.
44:19This is before the Prophet,
44:21we think,
44:23that this is an Islamic country,
44:25where there is so much ignorance,
44:27that a polio worker,
44:29who comes to feed you,
44:31or a child comes to protect your children,
44:33you kill him.
44:35So this is an unfortunate thing,
44:37and I think that
44:39we should not look for a tool
44:41to change the mindset.
44:43I have worked in many countries,
44:45in no country, the vaccinators
44:47do not go home.
44:49We used to take our children 50 km
44:51to get the polio vaccine.
44:53We used to take it ourselves.
44:55This is the biggest responsibility of a mother and a father,
44:57that they ensure their child
44:59that he has taken it,
45:01at least 3-4 times,
45:03if he is less than 5 years old.
45:05So I think that
45:07we should do this with a lot of clarity,
45:09and especially in our KPK,
45:11its campaign should run.
45:13You understand it much better than me,
45:15which tool will be there,
45:17which will change the mindset,
45:19which will get us out of ignorance.
45:21So whatever it is,
45:23in whatever way it is,
45:25these high-risk areas,
45:27we have to target them.
45:29So that we do it,
45:31and similarly, Karachi remains vulnerable,
45:33the old city of Karachi.
45:35Certain areas, yes.
45:39But we have to take it very seriously,
45:41we should not forget it at all,
45:43because that threat is very,
45:45very much there.
45:47And we are one of the only two countries
45:49in which it is there.
45:51Right, we are also trying to do this,
45:53we keep talking about it.
45:55Sir, thank you very much, Dr. Sir.
45:57Thank you very much for your time.
45:59We will conclude after the break.
46:01So before leaving,
46:03as Mr. Fahad Hussain said in the beginning,
46:05it seems that at least in the near future,
46:07in the next six weeks,
46:09in Pakistani politics,
46:11this October 26th,
46:13October 25th,
46:15the possible advance,
46:17that is, one Chief Justice is going,
46:19the next one is coming,
46:21we will go around this,
46:23and the bigger news will be
46:25at least in the next three weeks,
46:27it seems to be about this.
46:29See what happens.