Qoum Ki Khidmat Asif Zardari , Bilawal Bhutto Aur Bibi Shaheed Ne Ki Hai, Murad Ali Shah
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00:00 We have with us the former minister of the Sand, Murad Ali Shah.
00:04 Murad Ali Shah, thank you very much for giving your time to this interview.
00:06 You must have heard what Mia said.
00:08 He said that he does not lie for politics.
00:11 He also said that he started the electricity generation in the Sand.
00:16 Sir, what would you say to this?
00:18 Thank you very much.
00:19 I have also been given the opportunity to speak.
00:22 The coverage of Mia Nawaz Sharif's statement has been very good.
00:30 I have great respect for Mia.
00:33 I would like to say that she did not really speak about the coal in the Sand.
00:41 She said that she has been listening to this coal for the past 50 years.
00:47 I would like to tell you that the coal was discovered in 1991.
00:54 It has been 30-32 years.
00:56 If Mia had been listening to this for the past 50 years,
01:00 she would have told this to others as well.
01:01 Then the work would have been done faster.
01:03 But I think she does not remember the past.
01:10 I do not stress this issue much.
01:14 But the rest of her statement also surprised me.
01:19 She said that she started the electricity generation in the Sand.
01:23 She played a major role in this.
01:25 I would like to tell you the history.
01:28 If you give me a minute or two.
01:31 The coal was discovered in 1991.
01:34 In 1993, the government of the martyr Benazir Bhutto came into power.
01:37 In that government, he first made the Sand government the coal authority.
01:43 He made the surveys on the coal quickly.
01:48 In 1995, that is, in two years, 10,560 MW.
01:54 Two plants whose total capacity was 10,560 MW.
01:59 His MOUs were signed.
02:02 Gordon Wu was an investor in Hong Kong.
02:05 He was working a lot on coal.
02:06 He had mines in Australia.
02:08 He worked with him in other places.
02:10 And the speeches of the martyrs at that time are still there.
02:16 I think if you run that too, the truth will be clear.
02:20 If you do not have it, I will send you.
02:24 In which she is saying that the coal will light up the whole of Pakistan.
02:28 So much storage has been discovered here.
02:30 In two years, it was beyond her imagination to start this work of about 11,000 MW.
02:38 Unfortunately, in 1996, the government of the People's Party was abolished illegally in Pakistan.
02:46 And after that, the government of Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif came.
02:49 And in that government, I can only tell you that Gordon Wu did nothing else.
02:56 And 11 years later, that is, in 2008, when Sadr Zardari became the president of this country.
03:03 When we contacted Gordon Wu again, he said that the condition he was in at that time.
03:08 I had left my country, that is, I had left my investment and gone.
03:11 Now I will not come to Pakistan.
03:13 So from 97 to 2008, the government of Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif was then the king.
03:19 Sorry, Parvez Musharraf was in power.
03:22 He did literally nothing in this Dhar.
03:26 In 2008, Sadr Zardari came.
03:28 He took the vision of the martyr, respected Benazir Bhutto forward.
03:32 He made the Dhar coal energy board.
03:38 He created a role for Wafaaq and the province in it.
03:41 And after that, Sindh Ingrow Coal Mining Company, a company was created by the Sindh government.
03:47 In which 40% of the assets were of the Sindh government.
03:50 We started working in the Sindh government of the People's Party.
03:54 And Wafaaq supported it from 2008 to 2013.
03:58 In 2013, we did everything and the last thing was that we needed a sovereign guarantee for the lenders.
04:05 Those who lend, they needed a sovereign guarantee.
04:09 So they also went to the sovereign guarantee by King Parvez Ashraf in principle agreement.
04:14 Unfortunately, when the election was held in 2013, our government was not in Wafaaq.
04:20 And the government of Wafaaq was at that time of Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif.
04:24 He put the project of Dhar again on the back burner for two years.
04:29 Then I have told you before that when the protests started, he started talking to the People's Party.
04:37 And the People's Party should not say a condition, but in their talks, this thing should be kept in front that you support Dhar.
04:45 And the Chinese pressure was very high.
04:47 Mr. Zardari spoke to China.
04:49 Chinese investors, and you know that all Chinese investors have done their work.
04:53 They were interested, but they said that you should confirm the sovereign guarantee.
04:58 They put pressure in CPEC, put pressure on Wafaaq, the Sindh government.
05:03 And I will give this much credit that they gave a sovereign guarantee.
05:07 But on what condition did they give?
05:09 But Mr. Murad Ali Shah, this is Mian's...
05:11 Can I finish the talk?
05:12 Yes.
05:13 They gave a sovereign guarantee.
05:15 But on what condition did they give?
05:17 They put a non-linear condition that if the sovereign guarantee, that is, if the loan is called, the project is not performed, then we will deduct money from the NFC of the Sindh government.
05:27 We did not want to, but for the benefit of the project, for the benefit of Pakistan, the Sindh government of the People's Party approved it from the cabinet and gave them a commitment.
05:38 And after that, you saw that the mine was developed in 2018.
05:42 Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib, when coal was discovered on the mine pit after 2018, when the interim government reached the coal seam, as soon as we came into power, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib went himself.
05:55 Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib inaugurated three power plants.
05:58 And after that, the fourth power plant, which has been initiated so far, the fourth power plant was inaugurated by Mr. Shahbaz Sharif.
06:07 The Sindh government invited him. I am grateful to him that he came with Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib.
06:12 He inaugurated the fourth power plant.
06:15 So this is the history of the Thar.
06:17 The biggest contribution in this is that of the people of the Thar.
06:21 That is why the foundation is of the people of the Thar.
06:23 And because of this, the whole money of the Sindh government, which we will get from it, of royalty, we will spend in the Thar.
06:30 And if I take credit, but the service done by the nation, this is done by the Pakistan People's Party, Shaheed Muhtarma Binazir Bhutto, Asif Ali Zardari and Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
06:41 And there are so many evidences of this that I think that Mr. Nawaz Sharif should have spoken the truth, otherwise his credibility comes into doubt.
06:55 Thank you Mr. Murad Ali Shah for your valuable time.
07:00 You are welcome.
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