11th Hour | Waseem Badami | Constitutional Package | ARY News | 19th September 2024
11th Hour | Waseem Badami | Constitutional Package | ARY News | 19th September 2024
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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:02Peace be upon you.
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00:24Peace be upon you.
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04:32We do not do politics of fear, nor do we do politics of compulsion.
04:36That night, when I reached there,
04:38after that,
04:40Kamran Murtaza Sahib
04:42started reading Raaf,
04:44not before that.
04:46So then, he told his story in these words.
04:48And in this too, Kamran Murtaza Sahib
04:50and Murtaza Wahab Sahib had a great discussion.
04:52They are present with us.
04:54Translation is also available, Mr. Zardari.
04:56And in this regard, it is very relevant.
04:58Mr. Murtaza Wahab Sahib.
05:00Thank you very much for your time.
05:30Waseem, the statement will continue.
05:34Has the atmosphere become bad because of this statement?
05:36No.
05:38Look, when the leadership is directly in touch
05:40and the leadership is clear,
05:42moving forward with clarity,
05:44that yes, there is a need to reform
05:46and there is a need to build a consensus.
05:48There is a need to respect each other's opinion.
05:50And on which you all agree,
05:52that document needs to be taken forward.
05:54So, I think the atmosphere is not bad.
05:56So, exactly what happened?
05:58When Bilawal Sahib came,
06:00I asked him, what is Article 8?
06:02He said, yes, there is,
06:04but what can we do, there is a compulsion.
06:06Look, even yesterday, I…
06:08You had gone with him, at 2.30 pm.
06:10Look, Bilawal Sahib and Maulana Sahib
06:12had three meetings.
06:14On the weekday, they met at night
06:16at Maulana Sahib's house.
06:18There is no secret meeting.
06:20It is an open secret that Bilawal Sahib
06:22came to Maulana Sahib's house and…
06:24Weekday means when there was a meeting in the morning.
06:26Yes, right.
06:28On the night of the week, Bilawal Sahib came
06:30and Bilawal Sahib met Maulana Sahib
06:32and Maulana Sahib was there
06:34with his other Shura colleagues
06:36and we were also present with Bilawal Sahib.
06:38Right, there is a video of it.
06:40On the Sunday, Bilawal Sahib
06:42met Maulana Sahib at night
06:44when Maulana Sahib himself came
06:46to the committee meeting.
06:48And in the day, he also met
06:50Kamran Murtaza Sahib and Shahida Bibi,
06:52who is a member of his parliamentary committee,
06:54in the Parliament House.
06:56And it was read out
06:58clause by clause.
07:00And the third or fourth meeting
07:02was with Maulana Sahib
07:04on the eve of the Peer,
07:06when he again came to Bilawal Sahib's house
07:08and we discussed
07:10how we should move forward
07:12with this issue.
07:14And this is the first meeting.
07:16When the first meeting took place,
07:18I asked Kamran Sahib,
07:20what is this article?
07:22He raised a lot of objections.
07:24It is his right.
07:26But I will say it
07:28with respect and responsibility
07:30that Bilawal Sahib did not
07:32say anything of this sort.
07:34I still say that it is a matter of merit.
07:36Kamran Sahib says that article 8 is bad,
07:38which was suggested by the government.
07:40Bilawal Sahib himself has said it.
07:42I also say that we should put article 8 aside.
07:44What else is bad?
07:46Article 8 has been amended.
07:48The amendment that the government brought
07:50needs to be understood.
07:52Kamran Sahib can have one perspective
07:54and the government can have another.
07:56And Bilawal Sahib can play the role
07:58of a bridge
08:00to bridge things and move forward.
08:02But tell me,
08:04what is the issue?
08:06We are not talking about merit.
08:08We have started talking about other things.
08:10I will ask a very simple question.
08:12The Lawyers' Movement
08:14started in 2007.
08:16Where were you?
08:18The Lawyers' Movement
08:20started in 2007.
08:22They said that there will be a state
08:24which will love every citizen like a mother.
08:26Everyone said that the system of justice
08:28is now clear.
08:30Justice is cheap
08:32and you will get fair justice.
08:34Tell me, are we getting justice?
08:36Is there a need to amend the system?
08:38What are you establishing with this?
08:40I am establishing that there is corruption
08:42in the system.
08:44And it is the Parliament's fundamental
08:46responsibility to amend the system.
08:48They are trying to amend the system.
08:50Absolutely.
08:52Let's talk about Article 8.
08:54We are talking about
08:56reported things.
08:58It is not a matter of saying or not.
09:00By the way,
09:02Kamran has said on record
09:04that article 8 of the Constitution
09:06is still with me.
09:08I have repeatedly
09:10asked Bilawal Sahib
09:12about it.
09:14He has said that
09:16it would have been easier
09:18to take a civilian to the Military Courts.
09:20Were you also against it?
09:22Or did you remove it
09:24because Maulana was against it?
09:26I am telling you that
09:28Bilawal Sahib has been
09:30periodically engaged.
09:32We think from the aspect of the Military Courts
09:34that you have to amend
09:36the judicial system.
09:38And at the same time,
09:40as you remember in the 21st century
09:42when the Military Courts were built
09:44with consensus,
09:46the Supreme Court said that
09:48there should be a judicial review.
09:50We do not believe in giving
09:52a blanket power to an individual.
09:54What did the Government want
09:56in relation to Article 8?
09:58They had a proposal that
10:00the Military Court should be made.
10:02It should be amended
10:04so that there can be a trial of civilians.
10:06Bilawal Sahib engaged with them
10:08and said that
10:10he will send someone to the Military Court
10:12and there should be a judicial review.
10:14On what basis did he say that
10:16on the 21st century,
10:18the Supreme Court's decision
10:20states that the amendment
10:22has been upheld
10:24but the High Courts will have the right
10:26to review it.
10:28We are moving forward
10:30with the same principles.
10:32We were talking about merit.
10:34But this cannot be ignored
10:36because Pakistan People's Party
10:38talks a lot about democracy
10:40and democratic credentials.
10:42It is a sacrifice.
10:44If a comrade says that
10:46such a terrible amendment
10:48has been made by the son of a
10:50respected Sahiba,
10:52Bhutto Sahib,
10:54I do not agree with it
10:56but we have to do it.
10:58You are repeating the same thing
11:00again and again.
11:02I am categorically saying
11:04that Bilawal Sahib did not do this.
11:06I have said this yesterday
11:08in a tweet and in your program.
11:10We did not talk about it.
11:12I clarified it in the morning
11:14and I said it in writing.
11:16He did not say
11:18that there is a compulsion.
11:20If the people of the People's Party
11:22were compulsive,
11:24then the pain that the People's Party
11:26has suffered in the past
11:28and still suffers today,
11:30we would not be in this situation.
11:32Can it be said that
11:34the position of the Supreme Court
11:36and the JUIF was almost the same?
11:38We say that
11:40the Supreme Court has decided
11:42and you should not divert it.
11:44This is one thing.
11:46We also convinced the government
11:48that there should be
11:50an absolute right
11:52and there should be
11:54a judicial review.
11:56It would be right to say
11:58that no amendment
12:00has been made in this regard.
12:02Let's move ahead.
12:04The decision of 63A
12:06in which he gave the opinion
12:08that we also think that
12:10the decision is wrong
12:12but the decision should not
12:14be overturned by a judicial review
12:16but by a review.
12:18Do you think it should be overturned
12:20by a judicial review?
12:22This is a very interesting question.
12:24I always believe that when
12:26things are done in confidence,
12:28it should not be done publicly.
12:30When 63A was mentioned in the Supreme Court,
12:32every political party in Pakistan
12:34is in agreement that
12:36the Supreme Court's
12:38interpretation of 63A
12:40has crossed the line.
12:42The words written in the law
12:44are not obvious.
12:46Did you say that everyone is in agreement?
12:48BTI is not in agreement.
12:50BTI is a cricket team.
12:52We are talking about the JUIF.
12:54We are talking to the JUIF.
12:56Mr. Maulana agrees with this.
12:58Kamran Murtaza himself says
13:00that the Supreme Court's decision
13:02is wrong.
13:04Right?
13:06But he says that it should not be overturned.
13:08He says that it should be overturned
13:10by a judicial review.
13:12Parliament's job is not to legislate.
13:14The court tells the government
13:16that something is wrong
13:18and we want to rectify it.
13:20Parliament's fundamental job
13:22is to legislate.
13:24If there is any confusion in the law,
13:26Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:28Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:30Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:32Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:34Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:36Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:38Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:40Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:42Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:44Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:46Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:48Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:50Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:52Parliament's job is to legislate.
13:54The Prime Minister of Pakistan
13:56is all-powerful.
13:58The Prime Minister of Pakistan
14:00is all-powerful.
14:02The President of Pakistan
14:04is all-powerful.
14:06Can he change a single word
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14:10Can he change a single law?
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16:42The basic thing you have to decide is
16:44What are the limits of the parliament?
16:46What are the limits of the court?
16:48If the parliament intervenes in court matters
16:50If the parliament intervenes in court matters
16:52and makes a decision, is that the right thing?
16:54Is it wrong?
16:56No, every institution should be within its limits
16:58Similarly, if the court changes the word of the law
17:00and changes 3 to 15
17:02Is this right?
17:04That's why I say again and again
17:06that if we want to move forward as a nation
17:08we have to do introspection
17:10We have to accept the mistake
17:12and move forward in a reformed way
17:14and if there is another institution
17:16they also have to think the same
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