Patrick Peterson - The Differences Between Shanahan And McVay
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00:00I mean it did the dude did everything LSU. I gotta ask him how he escaped the state of Florida and attended LSU
00:06I don't I don't like that
00:07You know Spadoni said at the break as I was scarfing down a Bob's donut was shout out Bob's excellent doughnuts the best
00:13It was I had a chocolate then I had a glaze I went double he goes. I think Patrick Peterson's last
00:20Interception came against Jimmy Garoppolo boy
00:24We gotta ask him I bet he remembers
00:28He remembers all his it is you have to we have Patrick Peterson, right?
00:31We have my patch Peterson
00:33We're joined by Odyssey NFL insider Patrick Peterson
00:36Host of the Odyssey original podcast first in pod and insider calls are brought to you by Hellman's real mayonnaise
00:41Mayo game day be delicious and he joins us on the River Islands guest line Patrick Peterson. Good morning
00:47Welcome to the Odyssey family
00:50Good morning guys. I'm happy to be a part of the family. I really am
00:53Man, so I gotta get this one out the way before we talk about your career talk about football and everything like that
00:59I understand you're a Florida kid, and I'm a Florida State fan. I don't ask me how I'm from San Francisco
01:04Don't ask me out. How the hell did you escape the state of Florida to attend LSU?
01:08I mean, I know LSU is like DB you and they're now white receiver you but how did the state of Florida?
01:14Let you escape from the from that state go to Louisiana to play football
01:19May it was it was a difficult decision for me, but at that time
01:24Florida State was going through sanctions
01:28University of Miami was pretty much going on a downhill
01:32Really didn't like the University of Florida
01:34So I started taking I started, you know
01:37Opening up my options and I felt like LSU was the best option for me because going there pretty much their whole secondary was leaving
01:45They never had a gym for a winner there, so that was my goal to be the first gym for a winner at a university, so
01:52That mission was pretty much set
01:55accomplished and
01:57Yeah, and I pretty much became a trendsetter at a at a university at a university by putting them on a map
02:03To be known for something as DB's
02:06Patrick was your last career interception against Jimmy G
02:09No
02:12My last interception was a
02:14Bengals they had a backup and I cannot remember his name was a bread
02:19Might have been Browning Browning. Yeah, it might have been Browning. Yeah, I think it was Browning in the end zone
02:25Sunday night football, so that was my last interception, but Jimmy was my 35th interception of my career
02:31The fact that he knows
02:34We don't have to do this right now
02:36But you could probably name each interception ball your first second third, and you know exactly what quarterback you got it against
02:42Yeah, I do know
02:44Majority of my interceptions for the most part the quarterbacks. I know I got Tom Brady
02:52I
02:56Got Sam Bradford a whole bunch of time
02:58I
03:01Met a fat man the Rams was like my favorite team playing against especially early on in my career Fisher every time I played him
03:07Every time I played against him I got an interception or a punt return for a touchdown
03:11I love that. We have a sound drop that we always play and you know, we have like PTSD Jimmy G
03:18Because just losing the way we did to the Rams and I know that the Niners against the Rams Troy Aikman
03:23NFC championship game like listen to this sound we just we can't get out of our head
03:26So you bring up Jimmy G and we think of this
03:35Let me ask you Patrick
03:36Would you we're no certain quarterbacks whether it's Bradford or Jimmy or whatever it is and you guys are studying film all week long
03:42We'll get to today's NFL and I got some questions about cover too high safety and bell Khyber jr
03:47What the hell he said yesterday, which I thought was ridiculous
03:50Yeah, but what is it like in a film where would you know, oh man this guy's gonna throw a couple up bad
03:54Are you guys fighting like yo, I gotta be this position. What is that like Patrick?
03:59Everyone everyone in the DB room in the DB room are looking at chops. There's like all there
04:05Not necessarily call them the stat game
04:07But you know you going in the game knowing that some quarterbacks gonna give me an opportunity
04:11You know what? I mean?
04:12So why you watch a film like all right
04:14I'm I have opportunity to jump this because he believed in his arm strength that he can fit it in that window or you might
04:20Have quarterbacks like a Kyle Murray
04:23That's a shorter a shorter statue that can't see over the line scrimmage
04:28So you may have opportunity for more tip balls, you know
04:30So it's things like that when you're watching film that you're licking your chops on
04:35When you're getting ready to play for a game and so going back to that
04:38I made a comment last year last year when we played the 49ers
04:44Oh, yeah
04:45but the thing is people took that in the wrong way because like I watch film and
04:51I felt like there was some tails in that game to where I
04:55Have an opportunity to snag one and I did and I just dropped two of them, you know
04:59So that's where it just goes down. I wasn't you know, talking down on Brock or anything like that. I'm a competitor
05:05I watch them just like him
05:06You know to me so my goal as a defensive back is to get an interception every time I step on a football field
05:11But you know people took that the wrong way and he did end up throwing two touchdowns on me
05:16That was all good. But that's that's just a game. Yeah, you play long enough. Yeah
05:21You're gonna get dunked on you're gonna die on somebody. That's how it works
05:26when you're breaking down Brock Purdy like in the film room like
05:30We're imagine the audience right now as part of the part of the film room study
05:34Like what are you saying as you're watching them?
05:36And how would you describe him as a quarterback and especially when you look over the landscape of other players that play a position?
05:43so like for me, especially
05:45Have an opportunity to play against Brock and have an opportunity to game plan against him and watch film
05:51like
05:53He's almost like it's just their offense, you know, there are inside the numbers offense passing game wise
06:00So if you look at
06:02Majority of branding are you routes? He's running skinny slants. He's running not skinny slant. He's running glance routes
06:09Skinny posts, you know, he is very rarely that he's running out routes or a team
06:15Brock Purdy is throwing a ball outside the numbers. So if you're able to
06:20Pack the middle of the field and force him forcing for
06:24San Francisco 49ers or Brock Purdy to beat you with the beat you with their left hand
06:29Then you can get them in a passing game
06:31But the running game is what sets up the passing game for the San Francisco 49ers
06:37It's setting up the play action setting up the boots setting up the screens
06:40So that's a task in his own trying to stop the run and that's what makes them so
06:46Lethal because they're running game is so efficient. It just makes everything come together
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07:04Dishes this football season so Jay Gruden has some comments about the drop back passing game with the 49ers yesterday saying look
07:10I'm they're a great first and second down team, but I'm third down the vertical passing game
07:14I don't really I'm not too fond of it basically is what Jay Gruden said
07:18So you're basically saying this and we see notices to all the everything inside the hash marks and everything with the 49ers
07:23So you do believe they're vertical passing game if they have to throw outside the numbers consistently, they can be had in the passing game
07:31Yes, we can't do it. I mean how many times we've seen a 49ers throw just a straight nine ball
07:37Yes, we don't see it often. I've been begging for it
07:41You're not gonna see it
07:43Wow
07:45Is that is that a function of?
07:48Them never dialing that up
07:50Is that just how they play off because like okay for the layman's out there for the people that don't understand because it would the nine
07:55Is is you know right go route and obviously there's a route tree
07:59But I don't know how many people understand that so as best you can break it down like what makes Andy Reid's passing system
08:06So different from Kyle Shanahan's drop back passing system if you were to just you know
08:11Explain it to a bunch of 12 and 13 year olds, right?
08:15Andy Reid is a little bit more spread out like he he has those those speedy guys on the outside of the numbers and he
08:22Ought the quarterbacks that he normally gets have big arms that can make those long throws outside of numbers and
08:29And his vertical game far as his scheme is always been down the field even when he is with Philly
08:36Yeah, you know now when he first got to San Francisco when he first got to
08:40When he first got to
08:43Kansas City you remember he had Alex Smith and
08:46He could not throw the ball down the field so now he had to alter his game plan
08:50But he still had opportunity to take his shots
08:52but it wasn't as often when he was with this 40 not with the Philadelphia Eagles and now when he
08:59Got Patrick my home as his quarterback. So in his scheme
09:03He understands how to spread guys out and to read never really had a big time running game
09:09Like he had an efficient running game, but it really wasn't predicated off play action this play action that and to read just
09:17Understand the spacing aspect of it in the passing game
09:21Now Cal on the other hand he understands the spacing of it in
09:27The running game and his office is more compact
09:33Interesting interesting
09:34Interesting stuff there because we see in the fourth quarter
09:37Patrick Peter said to these big games whether it's the LA Rams and NFC championship game
09:41Whether it's the Kansas City Chiefs or the Super Bowl. It's a trend that happens where
09:45When they're behind in the fourth quarter, they're unable to come back and rally due to their vertical passing game
09:51Oh, oh, we got to get it back on. I think he fell off. He was really good. I know. Well, he's coming back
09:55Oh, we'll get it back on cuz Sean Payton made these comments and we'll play them
09:59Excuse me Jay Gruden made these comments and he referenced
10:02Hey, Sean Payton's passing system and Andy reads are very different from Kyle Shanahan's and you and I have had this discussion
10:08I think it was a year or two ago
10:10Well, I was like, I just think the drop back passing game leaves a lot to be desired
10:13Like when they're down, you know, they have a very difficult time in the data tells you like hey when you're down seven or more
10:20I think you were what are they one in 31?
10:22It's it's it's why is that because I'm not sophisticated enough and he's explaining it
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10:34We need to rewrite the sound and play this because this is very very fascinating as we effort Patrick Peterson back
10:40Let's play the Jay Gruden sound. Yeah plans plenty Jay Gruden sound right now Jay Gruden
10:44It's a head-off run game is great. However, the passing game leaves a lot to be desired
10:49I think it's all predicated on the outside zone is that what really they made famous and then the play actions off of it
10:55Really I think they're passing game is pretty much
10:58Nothing really special or protection schemes or lows when they get down or they have a lot of third downs
11:03They're not quite as effective as something teams like an Andy Reid type guy
11:06But first and second down these guys will kill you if you they're having success on first and second down
11:11They have a litany of play action passes and boots and leaking the tight ends out around the backfield and in the runs
11:17They get going they're very schooled and how they want their run blocking to be
11:21They have different variances off the outside zones with the sifting and very creative ways to get to the same spot
11:27Which is what I liked about how they ran it
11:30I actually think Kyle's best season as a play caller. We had Robert Griffin as a rookie
11:34I mean he put in some ways what he's ever saw, you know
11:37You know the zone reads with the sifting tight end and then they're bluffing that guy and then he's keeping it with a lead blocker
11:43And then they're pulling out phone a glance route right behind the pure Garcon
11:47And then finally Lee caught up with it they weren't they were starting to fall back a little bit on some of these sift blocking
11:52But that first came in he was given defense's nightmares. And so yeah, he's definitely a great play call a first second down
11:58I'll probably one of the best. All right. So what about his struggles and no passing moments?
12:02I'm just not a big fan of his past his true past concepts when he's down and he knows
12:07It's not a big fan of me. I don't know
12:09I just I just don't understand a lot of them and that's just something you have to continue to work on through OTAs training camp
12:14And all that stuff you got to prepare to be down
12:16You know
12:16It's always it's a lot easier to call plays when you're ahead by 14 points on first a second down
12:21Yeah, not many coaches have had a lot of success calling plays down having to come back
12:26It's very difficult when you're a one-dimensional team. It's very difficult in NFL to have success
12:31I'm not saying that any I did have a lot of success. I'm just saying
12:34From a past game standpoint when I study teams, that would be one of the last teams
12:39I would look at as far as past concepts go on known passing situation
12:42Elsewhere look for other past concepts. So how are we feeling about those statements? How are we feeling about those statements?
12:48I know there's a lot of people punching air right now because we're not because because trust me. I'm not gonna do it
12:54I'm gonna let the pros do it
12:57This is something we've talked about over the last year and a half two years
13:00Whatever it is about the drop back passing game and a little passing game throw it outside the numbers
13:05Everything's in the middle of the field. It's car accidents left and right field
13:08You know what I'm saying? We got Patrick Peterson said it who played this league at a very high level
13:13This is a three-time all-pro. He's a broke down what the Niners do offensively what their passing game is all about
13:19Jay Gruden as a former coach a look man
13:22I'm just not a fan of their job back when I when I look at vertical passing games. I go elsewhere
13:25I don't look at shit ahead
13:27So is that gonna catch up to him?
13:29Is that gonna catch up to the 49ers because in their biggest moments and the biggest moment chaski the vertical passing game has let them
13:36Down. Well, I look at it this way. Not everyone has a strength in every facet, right?
13:41And so there's some things you're gonna do really well, and there's other things you're not gonna do really well
13:45So Patrick says it very bluntly as we were talking to him
13:48He's like, you know, Andy Reid's not great with the run or at least not dedicated to the run
13:53So that's kind of his little you know flaw, but he's great at the passing game
13:57Well think about he had Brad Childress as a spray game analyst for a long long time trying to figure out the spread game
14:02And what the innovation of the spread offense and the jet sweeps and all the movements and all that stuff
14:06So he's right about that using every blade of grass on the football field whether it's going east west or north or south
14:11But like I think it was a big bug about a lot of people. I always clock management
14:15Oh, you know, you got him back. Yeah, we got it back. Oh, hey Patrick. We dropped you off there
14:19Appreciate you spending time with this man. You're really good on this break it down and you're educating. Thank you
14:25Go ahead pick up where you left off. You remember where you left off
14:28Yeah, I do remember where I left off I was talking about the couch couch training and offense, but yeah his office is more
14:35Compact inside the numbers to where he's running a football, you know
14:42Lyman
14:43You know with different movements with office alignment
14:46So he's more dedicated to the run game far as now when he's running a football. He's sucking those
14:54Getting those linebackers eyes stuck in the backfield those defensive back eyes stuck in the backfields to where now he can hit those intermediate passes
15:02Behind the linebackers and that's what kind of make his passing game go because he's big on a running game
15:08So, I mean so and then you look at all the quarterbacks that he had
15:12He really never had a quarterback that had a big arm to throw the ball outside the numbers. He always didn't quarter
15:18That's that's real good with with those intermediate passes because that's what makes his office run
15:26So what is Sean McVeigh do because it sounds like he's more in the the Gruden camp than then the Shanahan camp
15:33Even though they work together. What what is his offense look like?
15:37His offense is a little bit like like a Gruden Gruden is like he
15:42Gruden is a
15:44Is an offense that it kind of it's kind of like a well-balanced offense like he wants to run the football
15:50but he also want to take take his shots and
15:54And they has a little bit more creativity in his play calling far as with the jet sweeps with the jet mode
16:02trying to identify a
16:04Matchups on the defensive side of the ball and he does a great job on
16:09Finding matchups, I think that's what he do a great job at Sean on finding the matchups that
16:17Really really go after
16:19And he is a good coach on putting his guys in position to be successful
16:26Patrick before we let you go
16:28They'll copy junior made the waves yesterday and it really derailed the show because I couldn't believe what I was hearing
16:33I love defense. I love 1716 game
16:362117 game everybody loves points and fantasy football 45 42 38 that like I love football. I love all aspects of it
16:43So he said, you know the NFL should think about banning too high safeties cover to safeties, whatever it is too high safeties
16:49I mean, I'm just thinking to myself. What are we doing here? We've already catered all the rules to the offense
16:53We've already catered to them all the time
16:55So I know you being a defensive player who had the ability to play on offense and return putts and do all that stuff
17:00I know you probably cringe listen to that as well because my theory is offensive line play has never been worse
17:06Not having preseason in September. It's gonna be a lot of sloppiness here
17:10What was your thoughts when you read that headline or heard that headline from Mel Cuyper jr. Patrick?
17:15man
17:18Because I was like, come on just like you said y'all we already can't tackle as it is now you
17:26didn't came over
17:28Hip drop tackling that we want to make the game safe. But at the same time like
17:34Where our job is to get the guy on the ground like you have to also understand that we're playing a physical game
17:39No
17:40Track real quick. I'm gonna come back to that comment
17:42But I know that we're you know, our job is to get guys on the ground. We play a physical sport
17:47So there's gonna be collisions. They're gonna there's gonna be injuries. That's out of our control. So
17:53With these new rules that's coming in each and every year that's catered to offense
17:59It's just like God damn, you know, we'll just take the pieces off the bill
18:04You got mail Kyper jr. Is talking about the safety the plan to do my goodness like
18:10Can we play defense like how now you want to dedicate now you want to dictate on what what what the defense is playing?
18:18So we might as well don't even go to practice no more
18:20We already know what defense they we we're gonna play the defense that the offense want us in
18:25And now we're just gonna go play football and just hope
18:29That we can make plays like no like they have to find a way
18:33To get better on on on trying to get on trying to get those get there's get their guys involved in the game
18:42Defense, you know, we had to catch up, you know
18:45back in from 2006 to 2010 and the league was all predicated off is
18:50one one one
18:52from
18:532011 to about
18:552008 then you start to stop
18:56I'm at 18
18:57Then you start to see the lead start to change a little bit more
18:59So the lead started passing a little bit more and then that's when it was all one half past eighties
19:04So deep as a coordinator started started to say, all right, all these teams are starting to become past happy
19:10Everybody started to bandit the run
19:12So let's get put ourselves in the best opportunity to keep teams out of the end zone
19:16That's the neck. That's our job to keep teams out of the end zone
19:19Why would we want to continue to see long ball go over our heads and the bad plan and everybody got you know
19:25All highlights on SportsCenter. No, that's not fun
19:29No, you're right. So I
19:31Was almost passed out when I saw male captain make that comment
19:36Patrick man, this is really good insight man. We all feel smarter
19:40We all have some things to talk about especially with the Shanahan offense because we're a little befuddled in these late-game
19:45Situations in a vertical pass game in which you gotta win. You gotta win on third down
19:49You got to be able to make throws here. So it's very interesting
19:51I'll be watching the game with some of your thoughts in our heads here Patrick
19:54Thanks so much. And again, welcome to the odyssey family brother
19:57Man, thanks for having me. I can't wait to speak with you guys again. Absolutely. Hell. Yeah, Patrick Peterson three-time All-Pro
20:03He's a pro boba perennial pro bowler
20:05What are the best part returners we've seen really good player for the Arizona Cardinals for a long time then with the Minnesota and of
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