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00:00We have three very senior, respected friends, brothers and sisters with us.

00:04Mr. Qibla Habib Akram,

00:07Mr. Muneeb Farooq,

00:09and Ms. Asma Shirazi.

00:11I am very thankful to all three of them.

00:13Without further ado, let's get straight to the point.

00:15Ms. Asma Shirazi, you were also a part of this.

00:19We met a lot of journalists, including Maulana Fazlur Rahman, and you were also among them.

00:23So, the question is, what impression did you get?

00:26Is it correct to say that Maulana Fazlur Rahman is at least agreed by the court

00:32and if he votes in his favour, there will be nothing wrong with it?

00:36Is it correct to say that in terms of the impression of today's meeting?

00:40Yes, absolutely, Waseem.

00:41I think Maulana Fazlur Rahman made a very clear statement

00:45that this was an old request and we have always been a part of it.

00:51Whenever there has been a case of a legal court, we have always been with it.

00:54However, when it comes to the details of the case or the cases that need to be resolved,

00:59he spoke about the differences.

01:01In that too, I may be wrong, but what I understood was that

01:09it could be about the tenure or the term of the constitutional court.

01:17And later on, Mr. Murtaza Wahab was on our programme today,

01:20so he also confirmed that it could be about the term of the constitutional court.

01:25And he also said that it could be about the age,

01:26if not 68, then 67.

01:31But nothing is finalised yet.

01:33Mr. Asma, if I ask a question in this regard,

01:37that Maulana Fazlur Rahman is in favour of the constitutional court and will vote in his favour,

01:41did you get the impression that suppose something happens

01:44as a result of which it seems that the first head of the constitutional court will be Mr. Faiz Ishaq,

01:48will Maulana Fazlur Rahman stand as a rock and say that this has become person-specific?

01:52Or will Maulana Fazlur Rahman vote in his favour and say that we have not made it person-specific,

01:56it is the will of the Prime Minister, he can put it to anyone.

01:59Look, he said that it is wrong to say that it is person-specific,

02:03we are against it.

02:04But he did not strongly object to the fact that if there is such an incident

02:09or there is such a consensus according to which

02:13it is a matter of 2 years, 3 years or 2 years of age,

02:19he did not say anything about it that he will stand as a rock or he will come forward

02:24or he will strongly oppose it or he will leave.

02:27I did not get any such impression from his conversation.

02:31So, with a lot of clarity, it seems that things will happen in the coming days

02:36because on 19th he said that there is a meeting of our General Council

02:40and till then we will be busy in our membership and then we will talk about this matter.

02:49Two more things seemed very important which I deduced from his conversation

02:53because all this conversation is a part of consultation,

02:56he has not yet made any final decision.

02:58But his clarity is that even in relation to Military Courts,

03:02he said that if there is no Sunset Clause,

03:05then what is the harm in doing it?

03:09That is, he is thinking about it.

03:11Still, he said that this is not a final opinion that we will do the Sunset Clause,

03:15but it is very important for him to think about it

03:19that he did not reject it outright.

03:21He did not reject it outright that how can we support it?

03:25Okay, and the second thing?

03:26Because he said two things with clarity, I will tell you very quickly.

03:31He talked about Article 8, he said that we have rejected it.

03:35He talked about Article 9, he said that we have rejected it.

03:38He talked about the fundamental rights,

03:40the high court's jurisdiction, he talked about Article 197.

03:44He said about the Services Chief and his option,

03:51one thing that he said in his conversation,

03:53he said that the Prime Minister of the Services Chief can denotify the Army Chief.

03:59He said that we want this not to happen.

04:02That is, he said that we expressed our desire

04:05that we want this Prime Minister, that is, in other words,

04:07that this Prime Minister has the power to denotify if he wants to at any place.

04:12But he said that these two things, that is, the Constitutional Court

04:16and the Military Courts,

04:19we will have our deliberations on it and we will also consult on it.

04:23Very interesting.

04:25It was very important, but it is obvious that this is not final.

04:29Because he said this again and again that there will be a General Council meeting.

04:33But I think you are right that they should not outrightly reject this,

04:35at least the Military Court, this is a news itself.

04:37Thank you very much, Asma Sahiba, thank you so much.

04:39Muneeb Waroo Sahib, what Asma Sahiba said,

04:42on the basis of this, we have again another reason to believe,

04:44I am telling some friends of PTI continuously, off the record,

04:48and they are not disagreeing with me, at least off the record,

04:51I am telling them that I will not be surprised

04:53if after a few days we see you again taunting Maulana Sahib.

04:58So, if this is a matter of the Constitutional Court,

05:00then I think Maulana Sahib will do it, this matter will be resolved.

05:05In fact, Asma Sahiba is saying that even if he does not outrightly reject the Military Court,

05:09then this is not news, Muneeb Sahib.

05:13Yes, I think it is very important,

05:16and I think that perhaps Maulana Sahib has been sent some messages in these days,

05:22or Maulana Sahib has been tried to convince.

05:25Now, what seems to be the case is that there is a slight difference on minute things,

05:30which will perhaps be resolved on its own,

05:32or with the passage of time, they will be fine-tuned.

05:35Anyway, when such a situation arises,

05:37then a few small things are discussed,

05:41somewhere a word has to be added,

05:43somewhere a substitute has to be made,

05:44somewhere something has to be omitted,

05:46that is not such a big task.

05:48But overall, the impression I was getting,

05:50and it was like this, that within the first 10-12 days of October,

05:55this work will be completed.

05:57Now, this is definitely a matter of whether the 63rd Review Petition,

06:02which is pending on 30th September,

06:04now one thing to look at is whether that bench,

06:07the way it has been made, will that bench remain the same,

06:09or will that bench break one day?

06:12Because there is a discomfort in the Supreme Court,

06:16a judge has been removed from a committee,

06:18obviously, he is one of the senior judges,

06:21will he want to remain a part of this bench,

06:25or maybe he will…

06:26You know, in the past, it has happened that judges…

06:29It is not surprising that Muneeb Farooq Sahib is not present,

06:31that Judge Muneeb Sahib is not present.

06:34Sorry.

06:35Yes, and it has happened in the past

06:37that after a hearing, the judge writes something,

06:40writes a note and leaves the bench,

06:43which poses a big question mark on the whole matter.

06:47Therefore, there is a likelihood that this may or may not happen,

06:52but in the review, normally, the scope is limited,

06:55but the interesting thing is that the judges who are present,

06:59probably two of them had a dissenting opinion at that time,

07:02and frankly, the 63A judgment,

07:05everyone knows how it was written, how it was done,

07:09and there is nothing surprising in that.

07:11It is one of the worst decisions in the history of Pakistan's judiciary.

Is Fazal ur Rehman supports 'constitutional courts'? - Asma Sherazi Told Inside News

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