Bani PTI Ka Establishment Se Mazakraat Karne Se Inkaar... Haqeeqat Aakhir Kya ?
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00:00Muneeb Farooq Sahib, based on what Asma Sahiba has said, we have again another reason to believe
00:04I am continuously telling some friends of PTI, off the record, and they are not disagreeing with me, at least off the record
00:11I am telling them that I will not be surprised if after a few days we see you again taunting Maulana Sahib
00:18So, if this is a matter of the High Court, I think Maulana Sahib will do it, it will be done
00:25In fact, Asma Sahiba is saying that if he is not rejecting the Military Court outright, then there is no news, Muneeb Sahib
00:32Yes, I think it is very important and I think that in all these days, some messages have been sent to Maulana Sahib
00:42or Maulana Sahib has been tried to convince him
00:45Now, what seems to be the case is that there is a slight difference on the minute things
00:50which will probably be corrected by itself or with the passage of time, they will be fine-tuned
00:55Anyway, when such a problem is coming, then a few small things are discussed
01:01Somewhere a word has to be added, somewhere it has to be substituted, somewhere it has to be omitted
01:06It is not such a big task
01:08But overall, the impression I was getting was that in the first 10-12 days of October, this work will be completed
01:17Now, this is definitely a matter of whether the 63rd review petition which is pending on 30th September
01:24Now, one thing to see in it is whether the bench will remain the same as it was made
01:29or it will break once, because a discomfort is found in the Supreme Court
01:35A judge has been removed from a committee, obviously, he is one of the senior judges
01:41Will he want to remain a part of this bench?
01:44You know, in the past, it has happened that judges...
01:48It is not surprising that Muneeb Farooq Sahib is not sitting
01:51Judge Muneeb Sahib is not sitting
01:54Yes, and it has happened in the past that after a hearing, the judge writes something
02:00or writes a note and leaves the bench, which poses a big question mark on the whole matter
02:07Therefore, there is a likelihood that this may or may not happen
02:12But in the review, normally the scope is limited
02:15But the interesting thing is that the judges who are included in this
02:19Probably two of them had a dissenting opinion at that time
02:22And frankly, the 63rd judgment, everyone knows how it was written, how it was done
02:29And there is nothing surprising about it
02:31It is one of the worst decisions in the history of justice in Pakistan
02:35Yes, I did not find anyone in it, I mean, in any case, I will tell you broadly
02:38Any legal mind who said that the decision is correct
02:41Even Kamran Murtaza Sahib, even Salman Akhran Rai Sahib
02:44He said that even I have reservations in this
02:46This is a different thing that he said that you should not do this through amendment
02:48In fact, do this, but he did not say that the decision is correct
02:50But this, Habib Akram Sahib, you tell me that in this
02:55The desire of the government for the amendment of the constitution
02:59In that, through Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib, you can see it being fulfilled
03:03If they had to do 10 things, if not 10, they will do at least 7 things
03:09Look, the important thing in this is like Asma Shirazi was talking about
03:12What will be that date and day
03:14As Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that 19
03:17As Asma told 19 dates, I am considering it 19 October
03:21Because 19 September has passed
03:24And six days after 19 October, Justice Qazi Faiz Isa will leave this equation
03:31If the identity of Justice Qazi Faiz Isa leaves this equation
03:36If his identity is removed from this amendment
03:40Then it can be said that this amendment can also be discussed
03:45But if this amendment is being done only because
03:49Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib has to be retained
03:57So that those who are considered the guardians of this system
04:00Or the people who are sitting in the system consider them their guardians
04:04So that they give themselves to their protection and supervision
04:07So this may not be possible
04:09So if Justice Qazi Faiz Isa is removed from this equation
04:13Then maybe a lot of things can happen
04:15I want you to listen to one thing
04:18We all know that Imran Khan Sahib said this on 10 September
04:22That now I am closing all the ways of talking to the establishment
04:26There is no doubt about it
04:27Gandapur itself was the stated position of PTI
04:30Yesterday, Secretary Tilal Raghuf Hussain Sahib spoke in our program
04:33And spoke in very clear words
04:35And he said that this is our policy
04:38What did he say? Listen to a part of it
04:40Then tell me what you think about it
04:42Listen to what Raghuf Hussain Sahib said
04:44This is the policy of PTI
04:47That we want to engage with the establishment
04:49We still want to engage with them
04:51One more step forward
04:53A dialogue between PTI and the establishment
04:56That has become indispensable for this state
05:00And we should not delay it
05:02This is inevitable
05:03This is bound to happen
05:04If not today, it will happen tomorrow
05:05If not tomorrow, it will happen day after tomorrow
05:06We are ready for this
05:08And we were ready before and we are ready today
05:10We want to engage with them in every way
05:12If I complete this sentence like this
05:14It will be fine that it is the policy of PTI
05:16That we want to engage with the establishment
05:17We want to talk
05:18And in today's date
05:20Okay, we talked further
05:22He kept saying this repeatedly
05:24Muneeb Farooq Sahib
05:26We want to talk
05:27We are hopeful that they will engage with us
05:29And we were ready yesterday
05:30We are ready today
05:31He defended this very passionately
05:34That we want to talk
05:35Khan Sahib's statement is that we don't want to talk
05:37What do you interpret from this?
05:39That PTI as a party has decided
05:41That we don't want to talk to the establishment
05:43Or do you have a desire?
05:45Muneeb Sahib
05:48Look, the thing is
05:50Every political party has a desire
05:54Badami Sahib
05:56This is a very strange thing
05:58If someone says that we don't have a desire
06:00Because everyone wants
06:01Obviously, you have to fix your matters
06:03And the difficulty in which there is the leadership of Tariq-e-Insaf
06:06So they will want to talk
06:08Talk
06:09Somehow some way
06:10Open or come out
06:12But the problem is that
06:13There was no significant development on it
06:15Which was a small way
06:19Through Gandapur Sahib
06:21Unfortunately, it also closed
06:24Or there is a lot of relationship in it
06:26And I don't think it will be so easy
06:29Rebuild things again
06:31In fact, some of our friends of Tariq-e-Insaf also say
06:34For the record, that Gandapur Sahib
06:36Threw Tariq-e-Insaf six months back
06:38Now that is obvious
06:40Gandapur Sahib is also a party pressure
06:42And I think maybe some people think
06:44That he was in a special mental state
06:46When he gave a speech at the Islamabad Jalsa
06:49So anyway, it also caused a lot of damage to Tariq-e-Insaf
06:52I think Gandapur Sahib himself
06:54Had to see a very difficult time
06:56Now
06:58Frankly, the situation at the moment
07:00It is very clear
07:02That Imran Khan Sahib's community definitely wants
07:05Imran Khan Sahib
07:07Keep saying that I don't want to talk
07:09But we know that
07:11Right now
07:13There are two parties
07:15One is Imran Khan Sahib
07:17Or his community
07:19Or Imran Khan Sahib
07:21On the other hand, there is the establishment of Pakistan
07:23The rest is a beneficiary of a fight
07:25As you can see, the beneficiary
07:27Of two people's fight
07:29Or the establishment of a political community
07:31Or a fight or an investigation
07:33Another political community is the beneficiary
07:35Today that beneficiary is Khalistan PMLN
07:37That is also visible to everyone
07:39There is a lot of need
07:41To get out of this issue
07:43What should we do to get out of this issue?
07:45The owner is saying
07:47We want you to talk to us
07:49But the next person says we won't talk
07:51Until we apologize
07:53What can PTI do practically?
07:55I think Mr. Badami
07:57This thing of apologizing
07:59This is also very strange
08:01Because apologizing
08:03This has happened many times
08:05If you apologize
08:07Then the matter should end
08:09But it is also said that apologizing is one act
08:11Accepting the apology
08:13Or being accepted is another act
08:15Then it is up to the person who apologizes
08:17That your matters are settled
08:19That too will not guarantee that matters
08:21Get better
08:23And the second thing to keep in mind
08:25That the position changes
08:27In institutions
08:29When there is a change of guard in institutions
08:31Or today
08:33In one institution
08:35The army is there
08:37The institution is also there
08:39New chiefs will come in the future
08:41They will have their own policies
08:43So is this the policy?
08:45Or is it an institutional decision?
08:47Or is it the chief's policy?
08:49So Habib
08:51What is your opinion
08:53That in the near future
08:55In 3 months, 4 months, 6 months
08:57Do you see any situation
08:59As a result of which
09:01This establishment and PTI talk
09:03Why are we talking about this
09:05This has happened in the past
09:07And this is still going on
09:09The position of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
09:11Which you just said
09:13This is a stated position
09:15Imran Khan has also said
09:17And has said formally
09:19That he will only talk to one party
09:21Then he has already said
09:23That I will not talk to them
09:25His statement came from jail on September 10
09:27Who said this?
09:29When did he say this?
09:31Look
09:33I have my own report
09:35And my own sources
09:37And your sources say that
09:39Khan has not said anything
09:41That I will not talk to them
09:43As far as I know
09:45This has been removed from the context
09:47And this has not been discussed in jail
09:49Anyway
09:51So this has started
09:53You are talking about the future
09:55You are saying that this is already an ongoing process
09:57Yes, this is an ongoing process
09:59Is there a possibility of a PTI meeting?
10:01Don't you think
10:03That something has not come out yet?
10:05You tell me what has come out
10:07I don't think so
10:09Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
10:11After a long period
10:13Had a meeting in Islamabad
10:15After a long period
10:17Had a meeting in Lahore
10:19After that, there is a possibility
10:21That there will be a meeting in the future
10:23So when this whole process is going on
10:25So do you think
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