Bani Tehreek Iinsaf Ka Jail Se Sakht Bayan Bazi Jari, Halat Ka Rukh Kis Taraf ?
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00:00I would like to start with Athar Kazmi. He is a common man of the party. He is a spokesperson of the party.
00:10He says that this is our stated policy and I have no objection to repeating it.
00:14We want to talk to the establishment as a party.
00:17He says that he is not disappointed. I will not say that the establishment does not want to talk to us.
00:21We have an engagement and this path will open up.
00:26The establishment is not responsible for the recent blockades.
00:32This is a matter of the administration. We will criticize the administration.
00:36PTI has told us their mood.
00:38Do you think the mood of the establishment will change?
00:41Is there a possibility in the near future or not?
00:44Badami sir, things change very quickly here.
00:49But the situation on the ground that we are seeing, I do not see a situation where there is a softness of the establishment in terms of justice.
01:01Or the establishment has expressed a desire to engage them at a level that results in a resolution.
01:10I do not see that happening right now.
01:14It is possible that some things have improved.
01:17There have been contacts on some levels.
01:19There are contacts in Peshawar. There are contacts in other places.
01:22No one can deny that.
01:24But for now, we have not reached the position where suddenly all the matters of Mr. Mian have begun to be resolved.
01:31I do not see such a situation right now.
01:33Stay away from it.
01:34And Hassan Ayub sir, I want to tell you quickly that the conversation that Mr. Imran Khan had today.
01:38Because my question is that can this be PTI's own desire?
01:42Is Mr. Khan also in this mood?
01:44Because right now, it is my opinion,
01:46right now, it is not even the time for PTI to take a step back from its statements, to be silent, so that the environment is made.
01:53For two or three days, Mr. Khan was silent.
01:55And he was expecting that perhaps the response will come from there so soon.
01:57It did not come.
01:58It did not come.
01:59Then he started firing.
02:00Now you see, the conversation that Mr. Khan is having today, I will discuss it quickly.
02:03He said that the decision on the Supreme Court of Pakistan's special session has made everything clear.
02:08The Chief Election Commissioner has said that he is not a side empire.
02:11In fact, he is the opener of his team.
02:14Then he took the name of Mr. Faisal and said that he is a different fighter.
02:18And all his actions are a clash of interests.
02:22Then he said that he wants to get a two-thirds majority.
02:26And the empires should get expansion.
02:28And then when he talked about expansion, only Qazi Faisal's circle increased.
02:35Before this, on Twitter, there was talk of Yaya Khan Part 2 and so on.
02:38Today, he also said about Qazi Faisal that now it has become clear that he is also with the opposition.
02:43And the nation has been frauded.
02:46He took the name of Qazi Faisal and said.
02:49And then he said many more things about Qazi Faisal that we will discuss further in your service.
02:54So, do you think, Mr. Hassan Ayub, that this environment of clashes,
02:59If Imran Khan Saaf Khan Saaf had any hope that the situation might improve,
03:05then he would have reduced the duration of his statements, right?
03:08Yes, you are absolutely right.
03:10I do not see a percentage of this possibility or hope.
03:14That somehow the atmosphere of tension at the moment can be reduced.
03:20If you look at the situation at the moment,
03:23So, according to my opinion, in the current situation,
03:26Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has come to the forefront.
03:31They have taken control of their position.
03:34And they also know that the war here can escalate at any time.
03:38So, there can be an escalation in this matter.
03:41In this, no one is two steps behind.
03:44Whether you look at the establishment or Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
03:47Now, who wins in this, who loses, time will prove this.
03:51But the difficulties of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
03:54which have been going on for the past two to one and a half years,
03:57In the coming days, I see an increase in those difficulties.
04:02I do not see a shortage of incidents in this.
04:05If anyone can see it, then tell me too,
04:08in what extent should I see it, so that I can see it too.
04:10Okay, fine.
04:12Let's ask a man, if he can see it.
04:15By the way, he also said that he does not see anything like this in the near future.
04:19Mr. Hasnath, you go to the Supreme Court of Pakistan every day.
04:22Obviously, Mr. Hassan Ayub is also seen there often.
04:26But even sitting here from a distance, it is not difficult for us to analyze how much heat there is.
04:31Through letters and letters, they are making each other the target of criticism.
04:35They are being taunted, they are being accused.
04:37Someone is telling someone that you are cherry picking, running a one-man show.
04:40I will not sit in the committee with you.
04:42Someone says I will not sit on the bench with you.
04:44So, you have enough reasons to believe.
04:46You have enough reasons to believe that suppose the government accepts the amendment to the constitution.
04:50Suppose for a moment.
04:52Will the government still be able to achieve what it wants to achieve?
04:55Or will there still be a possibility that we think that the judges will sit in any case,
04:59and then the amendment to the constitution will be declared contradictory to the constitution,
05:03and then a new dispute will start.
05:07Look, there are a lot of difficulties for the judges.
05:10The biggest difficulty for the judges right now is their internal fight.
05:16And the way Chief Justice Kazi Faisal is acting these days,
05:22it seems that he has just started his challenge from a week ago.
05:30And the way he is acting in the hearing and in the case,
05:34it does not seem that he will retire after a month.
05:38And the way the government empowers him,
05:42there are a lot of difficulties for the other judges to do such a thing.
05:48Then there is no reaction from the outside.
05:51You give this credit to Law Minister Azam Zardar that this is the first time
05:55that this kind of legislation is taking place.
05:57The Supreme Court's internal working is being carried out through an ordinance.
06:02But there is silence from the outside.
06:06Please give me a clarification on this.
06:08Yesterday, a guide was telling me off the record,
06:10that if the government does not amend the constitution,
06:13then on 9th March, when Musharraf did what he did with Iftikhar Chaudhary,
06:17then the way the lawyers came out, the whole picture was reversed.
06:20This will happen.
06:21When Mr. Hassan Ayub is not able to stop his laughter on this,
06:24do you think this is very difficult?
06:26Will this not happen? Or is it possible, Mr. Hassan Ayub?
06:29Look, for now, the Supreme Court is under the control of the government.
06:33Okay.
07:03Mr. Hassan, these things seem familiar.
07:05We remember that Baba Rawan was also very famous.
07:08He approved some funds and went out.
07:10He is touring the Bar Councils.
07:12So, these things seem familiar.
07:15He was also successful.
07:17The People's Party had taken control of the Bar.
07:19But the media was with Mr. Iftikhar Chaudhary.
07:22And this time, we see that neither the media
07:25nor the judges are able to create that much momentum.
07:31And as far as the Constitutional Court is concerned,
07:33the People's Party and Maulana Ghazi Rahman
07:35are basically agreeing that there is no violation in the Constitutional Court.
07:39Now, these are all conditions.
07:41Let's see how the judges will resist these things.
07:45But it is also true that if such an incident happens,
07:50then things will not remain under the control of the government.