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Aj Raat Ahem Tareen Mulaqat...? Murtaza Wahab's Reveals Everything
Aj Raat Ahem Tareen Mulaqat...? Murtaza Wahab's Reveals Everything
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00:00I have heard that you have an important meeting and some things are going to be decided in this important meeting.
00:06Please tell us something about it.
00:08As all of you know, in our last meeting with Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
00:15the decision was that both political parties will work on their own drafts
00:21and then the political leaders can sit and finalize that draft.
00:25So, tonight we will meet Maulana Fazlur Rehman's team
00:31and we will share the draft with our friends.
00:36Mr. Murtaza, what will be the discussion at this time?
00:41On one hand, it is being said that Maulana Fazlur Rehman agrees with the Constitutional Court.
00:47He has no problem with that.
00:49But he does not agree with the extension of judges.
00:54Further, what are the things on which he has agreed?
00:57We will discuss that and get it in a clean and neat form.
01:02We will get to know about his reservations, observations and submissions after the meeting.
01:11But I am glad you have highlighted that the people's party's perspective,
01:15Mr. Bilawal's perspective from day one is regarding the creation of Constitutional Courts.
01:21And you yourself have said that Maulana Fazlur Rehman agrees with this opinion.
01:27He has no objection to this in principle.
01:30So, I think the larger perspective is the understanding of the political leaders,
01:37how to shape it up, how it will be written, what will be written,
01:43those things are yet to be decided.
01:46Senator Humayun Mohammad has joined me in the program.
01:51He was saying that if a Constitutional Court is formed and there is a Supreme Court on one side
01:56and there is a general question of PTI on the other side,
01:58then it will happen simultaneously.
02:00Then there will be a conflict.
02:01If there is a conflict, then the questions on the judicial system will be raised more.
02:06Because a tug of war will start between the two sides.
02:08Instead of Parliament vs. Supreme Court, it will be Constitutional Court vs. Supreme Court.
02:12Is this what he is seeing?
02:14See, those who breed on conflict,
02:17they always try to raise the status quo of conflict on everything.
02:23Unfortunately, you have seen that if you look at the past of PTI,
02:28I would like to say with great respect that they try to spread the same controversy,
02:35when they are in opposition and when they come to power unfortunately,
02:39even then their views and thoughts do not change.
02:44I believe and I think every Pakistani should believe that
02:48whatever the institution is, it has to operate according to the law.
02:52According to the law, it is the right of the Parliament to legislate.
02:58And it is the right and duty of the respected courts
03:02that the implementation of the law passed by the parliamentarians,
03:09the decisions of the cases on it, it is necessary to do that.
03:13So there is no personal fight here.
03:16We are trying to reform.
03:18We are trying to make the system easier.
03:20Everyone in this country agrees that the system needs to be reformed.
03:27Now, who will bell the cat?
03:29There is always this unfortunate thing that happens in the government
03:33or the one who is trying to do something of responsibility.
03:37There is always some other factor that tries to stop those people.
03:42I think the need is that the parliamentarians,
03:46while acting responsibly, this is a major issue in this country.
03:50It is necessary to address it in terms of justice, in terms of justice.
03:56And because the parliament is initiating it,
04:00I hope that by solving these issues politically,
04:05we will pass such a law that will be in line with the dignity of the court.
04:13And a common man's right to cheap and standard foreign justice,
04:17he will also get that.
04:19Okay, tell us about 63A.
04:21First of all, is there going to be a constitutional exchange?
04:24Is there a constitutional or working paper from the Pakistan People's Party?
04:28And from the JUI, do you expect that there will be a working paper?
04:32And in this, is the amendment in Article 63A included?
04:37Look, Anika, because the People's Party has a proposal
04:42in relation to the Constitutional Court.
04:44We have been working on the Constitutional Court for several weeks now.
04:49And we have the resources to take it forward.
04:55I am sure the JUI has also prepared for it.
04:59And today we will be able to sit down and take that matter forward.
05:04As far as 63A is concerned, there are three or four things in it.
05:09I believe that when 63A was introduced in the 18th amendment,
05:16it was stated that if you do not follow the party line in three situations,
05:23be it the Finance Act, the Constitutional Amendment and the Vote of Confidence,
05:27if you do not follow your party policy in these three situations,
05:31you will be punished in the form of being de-seated.
05:35In the case of the Punjab Assembly, unfortunately,
05:39the Supreme Court has changed the words of 63A.
05:47And they have decided that not only will he be punished,
05:53but his vote will not be counted.
05:56That is, they have inserted a clause into the Constitution,
06:00which I believe, according to Article 238,
06:04Now, it is not the right of any judge to amend the Constitution or change the words of the Constitution.
06:11This right, this obligation, is purely and exclusively of the parliament of Pakistan.
06:17And if they have done such a thing,
06:20the judges have two ways to correct it in their wisdom.
06:25Either you modify it in the Constitution with two-thirds majority,
06:29so that you can address that thing.
06:32Or you can address that matter through a second opinion.
06:36So, I believe, the government is considering both options.
06:40Perhaps, on 30th, the second opinion has also been fixed in the Supreme Court.
06:45Mr. Pratibha, I have heard that even without the JUI,
06:50the votes have been counted in the National Assembly. Is that correct?
06:55Look, you have a better response than the government.
07:00How can the government function without you, Mr. Pratibha?
07:03I am not a part of the government, nor is my political party a part of the government.
07:07You can ask this to the parliamentary ministers.
07:10But I am fairly confident that when the government is working on these things,
07:16then their work has already been done and the numbers are available.
07:18And we are also very hopeful, because Maulana Sahib has spoken very positively,
07:23because he agrees with this conceptually.
07:26We are very hopeful that Maulana Sahib will also support this.